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#18101 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 10:52

I detect certain tiredness in him when he searches for suitable words to stay civil and hopeful. I think those are increasingly difficult moments.


Well, he's looked worse for some interviews in the past two years - particularly in 2010. I'm certain though he was quite disappointed by the day's result in a different way.

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#18102 cheapracer

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:10

It's easier to fix a fast car than it is to fix a slow car.

One advantage the good qualifying speed has is it shows up any problems at those speeds and stresses so at least that will help shorten development time.

Otherwise a typical team increases it's speed they haven't been at before and discover unforeseen problems related to those speeds.


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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:15

Im pleased with the start to the year, at least Michael has something to work with unlike in 10' and 11

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:37

We have seen how important it is not to loose contact with front of the field, if your aspiration are both titles. Sebastian had a bad start in 2010, but at the end it went to the wire. This year it might be even more difficult. I am not convinced that Michael and his team can loose more races like first two, and I am hoping that their (not too much spoken about) target is higher than P3 in final standings, despite all rhetoric we hear.


What are you talking about? Have you seen the Mercedes pace in the race? You know that race is where you earn points? The qualification does not matter! I believe you have not seen the two races if you really think this team will achieve a better result than the third in the constructors' championship. WAKE UP! OMG! Remember the 2 last years!

#18105 Sakae

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:55

What are you talking about? Have you seen the Mercedes pace in the race? You know that race is where you earn points? The qualification does not matter! I believe you have not seen the two races if you really think this team will achieve a better result than the third in the constructors' championship. WAKE UP! OMG! Remember the 2 last years!

I am not sure why we have to compare 2012 car with previous models. Whilst I cannot quantify progress made this year, fact remains, that it is undoubtedly a different car. Michael stated, that he was in a race trim on Saturday, thus yes, we have seen a car in a race trim, and problems encountered in past two races are on any judgmental scale not representative how the team develops or stagnate for balance of the season. I am willing to give them time before I shall fall into a trap of massive mental disorder. China might be a third bad one in a row, but it is nowhere written that this is a permanent condition. Remember situation with engines that were blowing up like fuses, yet today it is fixed. Car will be fixed, if they do not pull out before that because of perceived mistreatment they are subjected to on the commercial side.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 16:07

Did anyone consider this years performance (so far at least) also puts a bit of a dent in the "MS can only drive cars with TC" myth ....  ;)

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 18:20

Did anyone consider this years performance (so far at least) also puts a bit of a dent in the "MS can only drive cars with TC" myth .... ;)

Nah, he has TC this year! Must be, otherwise he wouldn't be performing this well! :smoking:

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:22

It's easier to fix a fast car than it is to fix a slow car.

Maybe the car is not fast? Maybe it is DRS thing only that helps in Q? Without it the car is not that fast.


#18109 Snuggie

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:36

I am rather disappointing in Michael and Nico's mixed weather performance, because I know they can both be fantastic in those conditions.
Regarding Merc's pace - I will rather wait for a weekend in normal conditions. Sepang and Melbourne free practice showed that race pace is not even close as bad as it actually was in the race.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:03

If temperature of your tires is not in proper operating range, this condition affects car speed, and a driver can do very little about it, if anything at all. Put it differently, car is slow on cold tires, and until they correct that, we should not be perhaps too critical of drivers.

Edited by Sakae, 29 March 2012 - 11:04.


#18111 Diablobb81

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 18:11

In case anyone missed it here is Michael's Q3 lap :

http://www.formula1.com/video/onboard/

#18112 Schumywdcf1

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 18:16

In case anyone missed it here is Michael's Q3 lap :

http://www.formula1.com/video/onboard/

wow, fantastic lap :clap: :up:

#18113 Richardc

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 18:17

The telemetry does show some throttle while braking - not as much as maybe he used to or you would expect from him though?

#18114 cheapracer

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 18:47

Maybe the car is not fast? Maybe it is DRS thing only that helps in Q? Without it the car is not that fast.


You missed my point, the car's speed in 'Q' currently shows them the car's problems or characteristics at those speeds that they may have otherwise come across in the future and proved to be a barrier.

Lets say for example they didn't have the Q speed now, maybe going 1 second per lap faster in the near future would show up cooling issues or suspension flex, maybe a brake problem - but they have that covered now because they have sampled and have data from the car at those speeds already. This will save time against other teams who will have to face these problems when they hit their own faster speeds for the very first time.

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 07:06

wow, fantastic lap :clap: :up:


Fantastic lap? I hope you are enjoying the moment when he's missing apex in T14 and T15 and losing pole as a consequence.

This lap only confirms Mercedes had a car to be on pole both weekends, but their drivers underperformed.


#18116 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 07:16

and you did manage to quantify that taking a different apex lost him pole?
wow, you're really good!
an honor to have you around. Let me guess, you're some sort of expert?

#18117 Diablobb81

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 07:29

Don't you know he is the resident apex expert?

If only he wouldn't be so busy whining on the forum, he would take poles left and right in F1.

Edited by Diablobb81, 30 March 2012 - 07:29.


#18118 Juan Kerr

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 07:35

In case anyone missed it here is Michael's Q3 lap :

http://www.formula1.com/video/onboard/

I couldn't find michaels Onboard only Lewis's ?

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 07:40

I couldn't find michaels Onboard only Lewis's ?

The second(right) one with Malaysia below? Lewis lap is for Australia.


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#18120 anbeck

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 07:59

It's easier to fix a fast car than it is to fix a slow car.


So you say that the Mercedes were fast if it wasn't slow?

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 08:41

I couldn't find michaels Onboard only Lewis's ?



click on the Malaysian link

#18122 libano

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 08:48

and you did manage to quantify that taking a different apex lost him pole?
wow, you're really good!
an honor to have you around. Let me guess, you're some sort of expert?


he's genetically superior. that's why he's putting his supernatural abilities to good use to save mankind.

oh, wait...

#18123 baddog

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 08:54

Fantastic lap? I hope you are enjoying the moment when he's missing apex in T14 and T15 and losing pole as a consequence.

You crawled back and THAT is the best you can do? A completely stupid point about a corner you clearly haven't watched anyone driving through all weekend? We were expecting something of you.. you could have been a contender.. a new Frans. Now look at you.

Michael lost time twice on the lap, but not there. And no-one else drove it better on televised laps.

#18124 Lelouch

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 09:02

You crawled back and THAT is the best you can do? A completely stupid point about a corner you clearly haven't watched anyone driving through all weekend? We were expecting something of you.. you could have been a contender.. a new Frans. Now look at you.


Epic! :lol: :lol: :lol:


#18125 pUs

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 09:22

We were expecting something of you.. you could have been a contender.. a new Frans. Now look at you.


:lol: :lol: :up:

#18126 jjpm

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 09:32

gap behind Schumacher at the end(had a nice 360° and was 15th as race resumed after red flag)
Vettel 25.531
Rosberg 28.598
Button 29.724
Massa 47.323

MSC lap's faster than :
ALO : 15 times : 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 41, 42, 43, 44, 49, 50, 55, 56
HAM : 13 times : 7, 8, 9, 10 12, 13 15, 41, 42, 44, 47, 53, 56
RAI : 17 times : 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 13, 14, 16, 22, 23, 38, 41, 42, 43, 44, 47, 49
ROS : 34 times : 4,5, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56


#18127 pUs

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 09:35

gap behind Schumacher at the end(had a nice 360° and was 15th as race resumed after red flag)
Vettel 25.531
Rosberg 28.598
Button 29.724
Massa 47.323

MSC lap's faster than :
ALO : 15 times : 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 41, 42, 43, 44, 49, 50, 55, 56
HAM : 13 times : 7, 8, 9, 10 12, 13 15, 41, 42, 44, 47, 53, 56
RAI : 17 times : 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 13, 14, 16, 22, 23, 38, 41, 42, 43, 44, 47, 49
ROS : 34 times : 4,5, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56


Pretty interesting. Looking on the numbers it's quite ovbious where he lost out pace-wise to Alonso and Hamilton, roughly between laps 15 to 40.. after that things looked a lot better.

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 10:24

So you say that the Mercedes were fast if it wasn't slow?


Not sure if troll or not.

The Benz is fast but it's being held back - far better situation than making an inherently slow car fast.


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Posted 30 March 2012 - 11:01

i couldn't find michaels Onboard only Lewis's

if you are using ipad or other mobile device, then you cannot see...it is not showing up in ipad version
thats what happened to me, so i then used PC and it worked

Edited by Schumywdcf1, 31 March 2012 - 05:09.


#18130 salamin

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 13:47

In case anyone missed it here is Michael's Q3 lap :

http://www.formula1.com/video/onboard/


huge difference to to the w02 .. just look how early he's on the throttle coming out of slow corners :up:

#18131 Sakae

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 17:08

if you are using ipad or other mobile device, then you cannot see...it is not showing up in ipad version
thats what happened to me, so i then used PC and it worked

I see only spinning green light, and hear engine noise, that's all.


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Posted 30 March 2012 - 21:21

Fantastic lap? I hope you are enjoying the moment when he's missing apex in T14 and T15 and losing pole as a consequence.

This lap only confirms Mercedes had a car to be on pole both weekends, but their drivers underperformed.

What do you know about racing lines ? That line is quicker, he's going a damn site quicker through the corner than if he was sat on the apex. Obviously you know nothing. Watch some onboards from the Ferrari era, he never troubled the apex on certain corners and even Massa took that style back in 2006.
The only time on those onboards that he couldve gained time is if the car had more grip coming out of corners to take a better radius curve not having to walk the car out due to a slight lack of front downforce.

This board is full of pure ignorance and mouths.

Edited by davissi, 30 March 2012 - 21:22.


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Posted 31 March 2012 - 09:29




What do you know about racing lines ?


He gets to change gears for Mum sometimes on the way to the shops.


Watch some onboards from the Ferrari era, he never troubled the apex on certain corners .


Indeed, MS was never one to go bouncing over curbs often staying noticeably away from them in contrast to say Hamilton who seemingly has no concern about them.

Edited by cheapracer, 31 March 2012 - 09:31.


#18134 Sakae

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 13:08

I am not disagreeing with much of what was said earlier, but regarding curb-riding, Michael has done it as a next guy. Not too long ago I was watching race in Austria from about ten years ago, and he was using every millimeter of the track, including curbs.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 14:51

What if kerbs contribute to Pirelli tyre disintegration?

#18136 Schumywdcf1

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 15:03

I am not disagreeing with much of what was said earlier, but regarding curb-riding, Michael has done it as a next guy. Not too long ago I was watching race in Austria from about ten years ago, and he was using every millimeter of the track, including curbs.

Austria track is different
It has almost flat Kerbs so anyone who doesn't use it will be slow
Like the new hockenheim

But the t15 and 14 at sepang you are better off for those high Kerbs coz both lead to long straight so avoiding the Kerbs and on power early is the fastest route there

Edited by Schumywdcf1, 31 March 2012 - 15:05.


#18137 Sakae

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 15:05

What if kerbs contribute to Pirelli tyre disintegration?

Riding rough curbs would be detrimental from more than just aspect. At the moment some of us are wondering about tires being during race out of temp. operating range. In Melbourne probably too hot, in Malaysia probably too cold.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 15:08

Austria track is different
It has almost flat Kerbs so anyone who doesn't use it will be slow
Like the new hockenheim

But the t15 and 14 at sepang you are better off for those high Kerbs coz both lead to long straight so avoiding the Kerbs and on power early is the fastest route there

...yes, agree, which is why you do not catch him to ride curbs too often. (I merely thought that one cannot state flat out, that he never rides curbs, because that would not be entirely accurate).

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 17:53

I merely thought that one cannot state flat out, that he never rides curbs, because that would not be entirely accurate.


My post is quite clear.


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#18140 Sakae

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 18:14

My post is quite clear.

Sorry, initially my comment was addressed to something else I saw, but cannot find right now. Perhaps it was deleted.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 18:18

Fantastic lap? I hope you are enjoying the moment when he's missing apex in T14 and T15 and losing pole as a consequence.

This lap only confirms Mercedes had a car to be on pole both weekends, but their drivers underperformed.

I agree with you that he lost time in those last 2 corners and missing the apex is rarely the fastest way. I already said that his lap was not perfect when we were debating MSC X ROS in qualifying. Schumacher's lap could have been even better which only shows how he really was faster than Rosberg there. Nico had a very small lock up in T1 but that didn't jeopardized his racing line/apex, which would most likely account for less than any of the Schumi mistake you spotted.

About Mercedes having car for pole, don't be ridiculous. In Melbourne, it could have beaten Grosjean but that's it. Mclarens were out of reach and your claim that Nico lost pole on his lock up for T3 is completely amateurish. He would not even beat his team mate without that, never mind pole. For Sepang, even if Schumi got these 2 last corners right and was marginally faster than Hamilton's time, it's worthy mention that Lewis had a lock up, in last turn, which lead him to oversteer and miss the apex(much worse than any lock up of Nico in Melbourne or Sepang). That mistake probably cost around 2 tenths for Lewis and shows that Mclaren was, still, the fastest car.

he's genetically superior. that's why he's putting his supernatural abilities to good use to save mankind.

oh, wait...


where does this "genetically superior" thing comes from when you guys talk to Mastah? When did he claimed such things? I missed that

Indeed, MS was never one to go bouncing over curbs often staying noticeably away from them in contrast to say Hamilton who seemingly has no concern about them.

:up:

Schumi, on his prime, rarely used kerbs. He only used, and abused, them when the track had flat ones or on low speed corners. Hamilton, as you said, is a driver who really abuses of Kerbs, as Alonso, Trulli and some others.

...yes, agree, which is why you do not catch him to ride curbs too often. (I merely thought that one cannot state flat out, that he never rides curbs, because that would not be entirely accurate).

He used kerbs on places where is, practically, mandatory in order to make a fast lap. Schumi have always been the cleanest driver regarding kerbs usage. I remember from 91 to 94, guys like Senna, Mansell and some others, abusing of kerbs as well while Schumi used only the "actual track" on fast corners.

Edited by Kubiccia, 31 March 2012 - 18:23.


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Posted 04 April 2012 - 06:49

Niki Lauda: Michael Schumacher's driving style fits again

"In the duel of the Mercedes-pilot training, it is surprising 2-0 for Michael Schumacher. Kimi Raikkonen goes after his comeback as if it had never given a break. Niki Lauda analyzes why the two older men suddenly have the upper hand.

In the duel Michael Schumacher against Nico Rosberg in 2010 and 2011 there was a clear winner. Rosberg Schumacher stole the show. In practice more than in the race. The comparison of the fastest practice laps Rosberg won 15:4 and 16:3. In the race he had to 142:72 and 89:76 also points ahead. But the tide has turned. In the first two Grand Prix, Michael Schumacher was two times before Nico Rosberg on the grid. And the race has been a point of the old masters. The account of his younger colleagues 16 years is currently empty.

Rosberg, the infallible in training, makes a sudden failure. Twice he started the decisive qualifying round with a Verbremser. Schumacher, who was criticized in the past two years for a variety of mishaps leaves, suddenly flawless. Formula 1 runs? Not for Niki Lauda. The three-time former world champion believes the new balance of power in a Mercedes logical development.
AMGW03 is the first silver arrow, which is calculated

Michael Schumacher came back simply at the wrong time. He got by Mercedes held up a car that did not harmonize with his driving style. "When you come back as Schumacher after three years break and get such a critical car," Lauda argues, "then you are fighting with you and your car. You do not want to admit that there is no faster and try to force to achieve more. Here you will slow down. Michael had everything had changed in the three-year break, re-learn. He is doggedly to the thing worked and it also went over the limit. The Rosberg knew only these types of cars. He has a slightly quieter driving style as Michael, and was ideal for this unpredictable Mercedes. "

The new Mercedes AMGW03 is the first real race car in the modern Silver Arrow era. One that is not surprising that pilots with capricious reactions. One that works logically. "Now, Schumacher forcing the car back with his aggressive driving style of his will. The car comes to meet him virtually. Nico goes on to limit its clean, but this is a car that aggressiveness forgive, just not enough." Now comes the head in the game. Rosberg suddenly feels the defense team colleagues, with whom he had not expected. "And that provokes mistakes."
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#18143 CoolBreeze

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 08:16

Niki Lauda: Michael Schumacher's driving style fits again

"In the duel of the Mercedes-pilot training, it is surprising 2-0 for Michael Schumacher. Kimi Raikkonen goes after his comeback as if it had never given a break. Niki Lauda analyzes why the two older men suddenly have the upper hand.

In the duel Michael Schumacher against Nico Rosberg in 2010 and 2011 there was a clear winner. Rosberg Schumacher stole the show. In practice more than in the race. The comparison of the fastest practice laps Rosberg won 15:4 and 16:3. In the race he had to 142:72 and 89:76 also points ahead. But the tide has turned. In the first two Grand Prix, Michael Schumacher was two times before Nico Rosberg on the grid. And the race has been a point of the old masters. The account of his younger colleagues 16 years is currently empty.

Rosberg, the infallible in training, makes a sudden failure. Twice he started the decisive qualifying round with a Verbremser. Schumacher, who was criticized in the past two years for a variety of mishaps leaves, suddenly flawless. Formula 1 runs? Not for Niki Lauda. The three-time former world champion believes the new balance of power in a Mercedes logical development.
AMGW03 is the first silver arrow, which is calculated

Michael Schumacher came back simply at the wrong time. He got by Mercedes held up a car that did not harmonize with his driving style. "When you come back as Schumacher after three years break and get such a critical car," Lauda argues, "then you are fighting with you and your car. You do not want to admit that there is no faster and try to force to achieve more. Here you will slow down. Michael had everything had changed in the three-year break, re-learn. He is doggedly to the thing worked and it also went over the limit. The Rosberg knew only these types of cars. He has a slightly quieter driving style as Michael, and was ideal for this unpredictable Mercedes. "

The new Mercedes AMGW03 is the first real race car in the modern Silver Arrow era. One that is not surprising that pilots with capricious reactions. One that works logically. "Now, Schumacher forcing the car back with his aggressive driving style of his will. The car comes to meet him virtually. Nico goes on to limit its clean, but this is a car that aggressiveness forgive, just not enough." Now comes the head in the game. Rosberg suddenly feels the defense team colleagues, with whom he had not expected. "And that provokes mistakes."
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Sorry but Niki is full of nonsense. I remember was MS's biggest critique when MS was reeling around in 2010-2011. Now just because he's 2-0 to Nico, and suddenly MS has adapted, had re-learn and all this nonsense? :down:

#18144 cheapracer

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 08:27

Sorry but Niki is full of nonsense. I remember was MS's biggest critique when MS was reeling around in 2010-2011.


Yup, Niki had a little too much to say back then to be considered now.

Don't know why they do it, is it "Starstruck" syndrome that when a microphone gets put in their face they just dribble the first controversial things that come to mind so people think they are important/knowledgeable?

I rate Niki very highly historically as a driver along with JYS, but they are dickheads in front of a microphone.

#18145 spacekid

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 08:51

Yup, Niki had a little too much to say back then to be considered now.

Don't know why they do it, is it "Starstruck" syndrome that when a microphone gets put in their face they just dribble the first controversial things that come to mind so people think they are important/knowledgeable?

I rate Niki very highly historically as a driver along with JYS, but they are dickheads in front of a microphone.


As much as it pains me to say it, I completely agree. I love Niki for what he did in the sport, but his opinions are often guff - not just about MS, he often talks rubbish about drivers. Its a shame as he clearly knows what he is talking about with regards racing and driving.

#18146 Sakae

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:54

I am not excessively preoccupied with what former drivers commenting about individual current drivers, but by sheer coincidence I sort of agree with him on the point, that Michael seems to have a car now which is more to the liking than previous two models. If it is enough to be competitive remains to be seen. I am not sure what's Rosberg's problem right now, but could be, that nothing with the car per se, but that old Schumacher is back in the office. (I saw first time Lauda at Kyalami, and cheered for him; pretty tough cookie on the track).

#18147 schubacca

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 14:11

Yup, Niki had a little too much to say back then to be considered now.

Don't know why they do it, is it "Starstruck" syndrome that when a microphone gets put in their face they just dribble the first controversial things that come to mind so people think they are important/knowledgeable?

I rate Niki very highly historically as a driver along with JYS, but they are dickheads in front of a microphone.


True.

How many times have we heard that MS should retire? Before he retired in 2006? How many experts have said that he has lost the plot?

Now, he is acquitting himself very well in an F1 car.

At 42, he is a role-model for youngsters showing them how important it is to believe in themselves.

This chaps career has spanned the tail end of Prost, Senna, and encompassed DH, JV, MH, JPM, RS, JB, KR, FA and he is still proving himself worthy.

People that talk about mistakes need to look at their idol du jour as see how they are performing.

SV is a great driver and worthy 2x WDC...... He ran into another car....

LH, FA, JB...... All have made mistakes this season..... Yet some are focusing on MS missing two apexes in quali.....?



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Posted 04 April 2012 - 15:26

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LH, FA, JB...... All have made mistakes this season..... Yet some are focusing on MS missing two apexes in quali.....?


I agree. Schumi has been doing wonderfully this year. His luck with the team just seems dastardly so far. However, I'm really hoping that he'll get a win or so this year. He sure deserves it for the efforts he's putting in.

I do believe Rosberg is driving as fast as he can, hence his mistakes in qualifying. Once the driver is on the limit, the mistakes become more frequent.

#18149 ivand911

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:48

F1 comeback easy with 'good car' - Raikkonen
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#18150 CoolBreeze

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:59

True.

How many times have we heard that MS should retire? Before he retired in 2006? How many experts have said that he has lost the plot?

Now, he is acquitting himself very well in an F1 car.

At 42, he is a role-model for youngsters showing them how important it is to believe in themselves.

This chaps career has spanned the tail end of Prost, Senna, and encompassed DH, JV, MH, JPM, RS, JB, KR, FA and he is still proving himself worthy.

People that talk about mistakes need to look at their idol du jour as see how they are performing.

SV is a great driver and worthy 2x WDC...... He ran into another car....

LH, FA, JB...... All have made mistakes this season..... Yet some are focusing on MS missing two apexes in quali.....?


Excellent post.