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#18401 Goron3

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 19:07

If Shumacher set his car up for the race why was Rosberg quicker?


If Rosberg set his car up to get more out of his tyres, this would still make him faster in the race as well as in qualy. As Andrew Benson mentions in his blog, schumacher was slightly more conservative on set up as tyre wear in the race was still unknown.

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#18402 4MEN

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 19:07

I have behind me 13 jumps, and last one really didn't end up well. I am fully recovered, but experience and bad memory stayed with me, how a lot of fun could end up in disaster in fraction of a second.


What happened? I did it once (not alone) and didn't seem dangerous.

#18403 hammibal

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 19:11

If Rosberg set his car up to get more out of his tyres, this would still make him faster in the race as well as in qualy. As Andrew Benson mentions in his blog, schumacher was slightly more conservative on set up as tyre wear in the race was still unknown.

Cheers

What happened? I did it once (not alone) and didn't seem dangerous.

Sometimes the parachutes dont open properly, it happened to a friends father who was an avid jumper, obviously with tragic consequences

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#18404 Diablobb81

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 19:15

Yes i understand that but thats in the cycle of the tyres but Schumacher never came back at Rosberg towards the end of his stint.

Is it wrong to question the view of some that Schumacher could have beat Rosberg inspite of his obvious lack of pace in his first stint?


While i do believe that Rosberg would have been untouchable this race, we don't know how Michael's setup would have worked on different tires and lower fuel.

#18405 Sakae

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 19:20

What happened? I did it once (not alone) and didn't seem dangerous.


Thanks for asking, but it's OT. Just briefly, during paramillitary excercise I went last one out under really bad conditions and low light, and ended up with three bad landing choices; swamp/grassy foundation and possibility breaking both my legs if stucked in the mud, or hitting very tall building and falling off with my chute between my legs, or choosing to land in a repair lot full of strip down aircraft bodies. I choose the last one, but on impact my chute tossed me against the aircraft with my back. I am Ok today. (Chute was of small size, and descending velocity quite a lot). My last jump. :)

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#18406 ivand911

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 19:23

Yes i understand that but thats in the cycle of the tyres but Schumacher never came back at Rosberg towards the end of his stint.
Is it wrong to question the view of some that Schumacher could have beat Rosberg inspite of his obvious lack of pace in his first stint?

What is the point to think what could have happen. Yes, last year MS have some slow first stints and manage to catch Nico. Example India after the first pitstop MS was 6 sec behind , in the end he finish ahead of Nico. Is this what are looking for? Yes, it could happen. We didn't saw medium tyre stints. 5sec is not so big time advantage, it could be easily nullified.


#18407 Schumacher7

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 21:18

Yes i understand that but thats in the cycle of the tyres but Schumacher never came back at Rosberg towards the end of his stint.

Is it wrong to question the view of some that Schumacher could have beat Rosberg inspite of his obvious lack of pace in his first stint?

Not at the end of the first stint, in later stints. But I doubt that would have happened on Sunday, would have probably been on the podium though.

#18408 hammibal

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:21

What is the point to think what could have happen. Yes, last year MS have some slow first stints and manage to catch Nico. Example India after the first pitstop MS was 6 sec behind , in the end he finish ahead of Nico. Is this what are looking for? Yes, it could happen. We didn't saw medium tyre stints. 5sec is not so big time advantage, it could be easily nullified.

Yes but wasnt that often because of Schumachers poor grid position, the last race he had no cars between him and Rosberg but Rosberg drove away

#18409 Sakae

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:27

Yes but wasnt that often because of Schumachers poor grid position, the last race he had no cars between him and Rosberg but Rosberg drove away

There could be numerous explantions for it, ranging from Rosberg is a faster driver in that team, to different strategies, tactics, set up, unspoken issue; list is long.

#18410 Pamphlet

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:33

Whilst Schumacher v2.0 is known to be much better than his teammate in the final stints, I highly doubt he would've stopped Nico from winning, or even Button from stealing P2. China is a poor track for him and his teammate's best one, and even then Button would've apparently beaten Rosberg by 2 seconds without that failed stop. Although I'm not sure if I can trust Jake on that...

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#18411 Raelene

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:25

Really? I thought that there is difference between explicit contract, and team's variable strategy for the season as it develops.


evey driver has a contract that states they follow team instruction... like most of us with our employment contract



#18412 ivand911

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:34

Whilst Schumacher v2.0 is known to be much better than his teammate in the final stints, I highly doubt he would've stopped Nico from winning, or even Button from stealing P2. China is a poor track for him and his teammate's best one, and even then Button would've apparently beaten Rosberg by 2 seconds without that failed stop. Although I'm not sure if I can trust Jake on that...

I am not saying that MS would beaten Nico for sure, just we saw only small part of the race with him. 5 sec are not the end of the world. Button didn't catch Michael, so he didn't have any chance to catch Nico too. 14-15sec difference with 16 laps left. Not chance at all. Do you think Nico will stay and wait for him? Even if he somehow manage to catch him, how many laps he will need to overtake?


#18413 Augurk

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:08

Come on guys. Rosberg won the race. The merc is a race winner! This is a time for celebration and not for pointless discussion. It was Rosbergs weekend definitely, be it because of setup or sheer brilliance. All we know is Michael was doing fine until his unfortunate retirement, which was out if his control. Let's just hope Michael gets his chance too.

#18414 libano

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:39

Come on guys. Rosberg won the race. The merc is a race winner! This is a time for celebration and not for pointless discussion. It was Rosbergs weekend definitely, be it because of setup or sheer brilliance. All we know is Michael was doing fine until his unfortunate retirement, which was out if his control. Let's just hope Michael gets his chance too.


exactly. this is getting tiresome. let's look forward, there's an exciting weekend ahead.

#18415 Diablobb81

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:03

Looking forward : all i want is the same i wanted for the last two races - an incident free race. The bad luck has to stop sometime.

#18416 Juan Kerr

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:08

The bad luck doesn't matter, all that means is Michael might not be a contender for the championship if it carried on but the car itself can give him a few wins regardless.

#18417 ivand911

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:10

Looking forward : all i want is the same i wanted for the last two races - an incident free race. The bad luck has to stop sometime.

MS didn't lost FW for some time now? :p


#18418 george1981

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:22

While i do believe that Rosberg would have been untouchable this race, we don't know how Michael's setup would have worked on different tires and lower fuel.


Presumably if MS could have stayed near Nico until the last stop and not been caught in traffic like Button was after his slow stop MS might have had fresher tyres to be able to attack Nico towards the end. This scenario is incredibly speculative and had it happened Mercedes would have ordered their drivers to hold station.

#18419 Augurk

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:08

MS didn't lost FW for some time now? :p

Don't say things like that! It invokes Murphy :drunk:

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#18420 Hacklerf

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:49

Fingers crossed for a clean weekend from Schumi

#18421 ivand911

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:18

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#18422 Hacklerf

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:20

Ah man, that bad ass belt buckle

#18423 Schumywdcf1

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:34

i think it is a dragon in that belt buckle
he might have brought it from China

#18424 Hacklerf

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:38

Custom made, its the same dragon as he has on helmet design and cap

#18425 ivand911

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 13:00

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#18426 ramad

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 13:50

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#18427 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 14:25

Seriously, for a man his age he is in very good shape. I hope I have that same drive if/when I get to that age.

#18428 Richardc

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 14:48

Looking stronger than when he was younger - probably having to add more gym time to compensate for the age i suppose.

Let's hope for a clean and quick race - a win (or podium) PLEASE. I just hope his first podium is ontop of it, or at least on a step above Rosberg.

#18429 Lelouch

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 15:59

I just hope his first podium is ontop of it, or at least on a step above Rosberg.

Yes, pleeeaseee! :D

#18430 Urawa

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 16:02

can only get better from here on...

#18431 Ohwell

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 16:45

can only get better from here on...


Thats the hope!

#18432 ivand911

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 17:43

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Is this ugly or what? I don't like new merchandise.

If you miss Grand Daddy 2,5 this is for you:
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#18433 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 17:44

As long as it doesn't prove too flat, I like it. If transport didn't cost as much as the cap itself, I'd have bought it already.

#18434 Juan Kerr

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 18:18

Looking stronger than when he was younger - probably having to add more gym time to compensate for the age i suppose.

Let's hope for a clean and quick race - a win (or podium) PLEASE. I just hope his first podium is ontop of it, or at least on a step above Rosberg.


Nope, it would be simply impossible to do more time in the gym than he used to, its just that he is more keen on developing muscle mass. His cardio probably isn't quite the performance it used to be but that just means instead of being alien fitness he is 'only' super-humanly fit.


#18435 Sakae

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 23:59

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I usually don't pray during a race, but if you think it could help you, I will be glad to oblige. Let me know, please.

#18436 hammibal

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 00:44

Presumably if MS could have stayed near Nico until the last stop and not been caught in traffic like Button was after his slow stop MS might have had fresher tyres to be able to attack Nico towards the end. This scenario is incredibly speculative and had it happened Mercedes would have ordered their drivers to hold station.

There's nothing like shear belief after he got beaten easily in qualifying and left behind in the first stint

#18437 MightyMoose

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:57

There's nothing like shear belief after he got beaten easily in qualifying and left behind in the first stint

I would suggest that the vast majority on this thread have congratulated NR on a superb drive, commiserated over MS's misfortunes & moved on from China.

I also suggest those who linger on the subject move on as well.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:03

One for fans only - not interested in the opinion of trolls

I was looking at the following number plates which are available 'relatively' cheaply:

MS 07 WDC
XX 07 MSC

Which would you choose?

Of course if he won another WDC i'd be pissed :rotfl:

Edited by DS27, 20 April 2012 - 08:04.


#18439 ivand911

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:34

One for fans only - not interested in the opinion of trolls

I was looking at the following number plates which are available 'relatively' cheaply:

MS 07 WDC
XX 07 MSC

Which would you choose?

Of course if he won another WDC i'd be pissed :rotfl:

First one.


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#18440 Augurk

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 09:59

One for fans only - not interested in the opinion of trolls

I was looking at the following number plates which are available 'relatively' cheaply:

MS 07 WDC
XX 07 MSC

Which would you choose?

Of course if he won another WDC i'd be pissed :rotfl:

Definitely the first one.


#18441 Pits

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:11

Definitely the first one.

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#18442 Diablobb81

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:19

First one.

But the plate will be pointless when it will MS 08 WDC. Sigh...

Edited by Diablobb81, 20 April 2012 - 10:20.


#18443 Sakae

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:37

It seems that he's back to problems with setup of his car.

#18444 ivand911

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:43

It seems that he's back to problems with setup of his car.

I hope they were testing different stuff.


#18445 Pits

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:45

It seems that he's back to problems with setup of his car.


Couldn't it be, that Merc decided to split the testing strategy, just to get as much data on the tires as possible?
At least that's what I'm hoping for, FP2 should give a clearer picture.






#18446 ivand911

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:48

Yeah, MS long stint was 8laps, Nico - 15laps.

#18447 Sakae

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:59

In contrast to old "wisdom" that FP is meaningless, this time I am inclined to read FP3 as decisive indicator for the weekend. It will be quali test, and car has to be on the front row. There is no other objective on the agenda.

Edited by Sakae, 20 April 2012 - 11:00.


#18448 spacekid

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:18

Yeah, MS long stint was 8laps, Nico - 15laps.


I've only taken a glance at their times, but thats mildly alarming...

#18449 Augurk

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:52

No representative time today from Michael due to that moment with the Caterham.

#18450 Sakae

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:58

It's really fuzzy over where he is. Rosberg is in the swing. Can't wait for tomorrow.