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#18451 Kimble

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 20:50

Yes, he does. Unbelievable isn't it? He has been doing it since his Benetton days.

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#18452 RedBaron

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 21:10

Yes, he does. Unbelievable isn't it? He has been doing it since his Benetton days.


Brilliant! I've never heard of this before.

#18453 Kimble

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 21:20

I think motorsport or autosport magazine had a podcast with Pat Symonds and he re-counted the story.

It might be this one:

http://www.motorspor...th-pat-symonds/



#18454 prty

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 21:22

I think that should be to see exactly when in the session he is, and doesnt adjust it when he drives.

#18455 Kimble

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 22:10

No, listen to the podcast. He times himself through sections to see what works and doesn't.

#18456 tommyhjortasen

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 22:12

MS is a very good driver.

#18457 Paa

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 22:15

I think that should be to see exactly when in the session he is, and doesnt adjust it when he drives.


Can you please tell me at which minute is he talking about this? I would like to hear that part, but don't feel like listening the whole thing.

edit: nvm, I got it. He starts talking about Michael around 40min if anyone cares.

Edited by Paa, 20 April 2012 - 22:31.


#18458 Kimble

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 22:28

Listen from the 40 minute mark.

On a more general note, and in the nicest way possible, if you like F1 enough to be posting here you should dump the mp3 on your ipod and listen to Pat for an hour.

#18459 prty

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 23:02

No, listen to the podcast. He times himself through sections to see what works and doesn't.


Well thanks for that, but still seems weird to me, because when he was driving for Ferrari, I'd have thought that telemetry allows to know exactly what do you gain/lose and where. In fact, there is that famous video comparing his driving to Herbert, saying that he gained X tenths in some corner of Silverstone. They couldn't have known if telemetry didn't allow that, and seeing where he has put it in the Mercedes now, I seriously doubt he uses the buttons. Plus it isn't in stopwatch mode :)

Edited by prty, 20 April 2012 - 23:05.


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#18460 Sakae

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 23:09

Oh he used do a lot of weird things. Once he was watching big TV screens around the track, while leading the race.

#18461 prty

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 23:49

Oh he used do a lot of weird things. Once he was watching big TV screens around the track, while leading the race.


A lot of drivers do that actually.

By the way, as someone pointed in another forum, in the moment of the picture Schumachers watch displays the twin towers thing date. Conspiracy? ;)

Edited by prty, 21 April 2012 - 00:04.


#18462 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:17

I think the watch in the W03 is only used as watch. How he can change anything on it trough the steering wheel? Watch is far for good reach. On Ferrari the watch is in better position to be used when driving. I guess, the clock is only thing he can't see on the steering wheel.

Edited by ivand911, 21 April 2012 - 06:21.


#18463 spacekid

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:03

In the podcast thingy Pat said that at Benneton Michael used to use the stopwatch when trying out different lines through sections to see which was fastest. I don't know if he's still doing that at Merc.

Having watched P3 I've changed my mind - the race should be cancelled.

#18464 nateshan

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:06

I hope MS has setup his car for a bit higher track temperature. His quali pace and race pace setup is well below NR.

Edited by nateshan, 21 April 2012 - 09:09.


#18465 RedBaron

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:09

Ignoring the error in the middle sector, Schumacher was only 2 tenths off Rosberg. He made a small error in the final corner too, so if he can hook it up he should be looking good for qualifying. The race is where he performs now though in career 2. So qualifying behind a little isn't really a huge deal. We'll see how things shape up for him when he crosses the line. Assuming all the wheels are fitted :)

#18466 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:10

Having watched P3 I've changed my mind - the race should be cancelled.

Yeah, agree. Cancel it.
I don't know why MS can't improve his last sector, 23,2 sec with both tyres??? Middle sector is disaster. And I also hope last stints were not similar and they try different things. MS was losing 0,6-0,7 sec in S2 and 0,2 sec in S1 and S3. Last stints sure look different - MS 6 laps, Nico - 3laps.

Edited by ivand911, 21 April 2012 - 09:15.


#18467 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:14

I hope MS has setup his car for a bit more higher track temperature. His quali pace and race pace setup is well below NR.

His quick lap was definitely bad, there's a lot of room for improvement i think. Also, his times on the mediums looked good imo maybe he is trying to optimize that since that's what matters for tomorrow. His car didn't look so good with softs, tbh we have seen much better balance in 2012 for Michael.

Also did any of you guys get what Jock Clear told Michael about the break and throttle in the radio?

and OT: about Rosberg as i have written elsewhere i expected him to be stellar after scoring his first win, i think Michael needs sort of the same thing, at least a podium asap.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:17

Do the setup improvements to get the tyre management right hamper Michael and work in favour of Nico?

Strange to see Michaels car so unbalanced since he was going so well the start of this year, looking very smooth.

#18469 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:18

Yeah, agree. Cancel it.
I don't know why MS can't improve his last sector, 23,2 sec with both tyres??? Middle sector is disaster. And I also hope last stints were not similar and they try different things. MS was losing 0,6-0,7 sec there.

In S2 both Mercedes were pretty close at the first stint with mediums iirc right? and actually both didn't look too good compared to Lotus. <speculation>About the last one I hope it is as you say maybe he was trying to find something for qualifying. </speculation>


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:29

Row 1 or 2 is a must of cource.
The balance looked better on the prime tyre and that will be important for tomorrow. Let´s see.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:41

Race pace comparison? I really hope its different fuel levels. :confused:

MS:
1:40.110
1:40.356
1:40.191
1:40.093
1:40.382

NR:
1:39.195
1:39.196

#18472 RedBaron

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:52

Rosberg as i have written elsewhere i expected him to be stellar after scoring his first win, i think Michael needs sort of the same thing, at least a podium asap.


I agree. I said the same about Rosberg, needing a good performance. The same goes for Schumacher, that second career wind, or podium will make him feel at home again and would boost his performance.

#18473 Massa_f1

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:52

Race pace comparison? I really hope its different fuel levels. :confused:

MS:
1:40.110
1:40.356
1:40.191
1:40.093
1:40.382

NR:
1:39.195
1:39.196


I am going to be realistic. Rosberg will thrash Schumacher this weekend :-(

#18474 Octavian

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:58

and OT: about Rosberg as i have written elsewhere i expected him to be stellar after scoring his first win, i think Michael needs sort of the same thing, at least a podium asap.


I don't think that's a factor at all. Michael is hungry for a win, he has a car which he has seen is now capable of winning - that should be all the motivation he needs and I believe that right now he really is trying his hardest and has all that motivation and drive.....it's just that for whatever reason Rosberg is extracting more out of the car than Michael and it's nothing to do with Rosberg gaining a win etc.

#18475 Wade

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:00

I love Schumacher but the USUAL motto for every race weekend that I have in regards to watching him is:

"Hope for the best, but expect the worst." so for today, im expecting that sadly, Rosberg will own my man Schumi. But I would love to be proven wrong by the old man though!

Cause let's face it, he often gets unfortunate more than he is lucky and this has been a trend lately.

But anything can change. Im praying this weekend is different than the rest. Cmon Schumi. How about a pole today? Or another top 3 qualy finish? Let's go get it! :)

#18476 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:01

Do the setup improvements to get the tyre management right hamper Michael and work in favour of Nico?

Strange to see Michaels car so unbalanced since he was going so well the start of this year, looking very smooth.

Could be. MS will have to adapt again. New tyres maybe didn't favor his style again. He can do it ,but it eats more tyres. So, no sliding.
As driver specialist say Nico is very smart and he adapt very quickly. And if he found something in China, of course MS will have to adapt to that.
And probably car with DDRS is not the easiest thing to drive. In the race things can be better, no so much usage of DRS.

I am going to be realistic. Rosberg will thrash Schumacher this weekend :-(

You can sugar coated it a little. :p

Edited by ivand911, 21 April 2012 - 10:03.


#18477 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:02

Btw his S3 time on primes was really competitive. Maybe he is lacking grip with the softs since he is really suffering in S2. I don't know, at times their times looked identical, maybe Rosberg is managing to optimize his set up while Schumy can't find the perfect balance.

and reminder about this:

Also did any of you guys get what Jock Clear told Michael about the break and throttle in the radio?


I still don't realize if he can use his old driving style or not.

#18478 Pizdek

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:03

I am going to be realistic. Rosberg will thrash Schumacher this weekend :-(


:cat:

#18479 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:07

And we are still in the dark about MS race pace. We saw one real stint from him.

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#18480 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:08

I don't think that's a factor at all. Michael is hungry for a win, he has a car which he has seen is now capable of winning - that should be all the motivation he needs and I believe that right now he really is trying his hardest and has all that motivation and drive.....it's just that for whatever reason Rosberg is extracting more out of the car than Michael and it's nothing to do with Rosberg gaining a win etc.

It's not the motivation i am questioning, only the confidence and from what i have realized from Rosberg's personality was he needs that kind of confidence ( stuff like what he did in Q3 in China, getting out the car blah blah ). I know that for Schumacher v1 no such thing was necessary probably that's still the case and my comment was wrong. I definitely don't question his motivation he showed us how motivated he is last year. Anyway, my comment had more to do with Rosberg's performance more than Schumacher's. And ofc it could be what you say too, Rosberg is fitting better atm for whatever reason.

#18481 Longtimefan

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:19

I'm expecting the worst. Ie britney pole and Schumi 5th or so.
Car seems to be going away from him and no doubt the team will mess him about some way.



#18482 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:22

Probably P3 is better here than P2(dirty side).

#18483 Igorr

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:38

The gap to ROS is not big as it looks, because yesterday on his quick lap was held up by the Caterham, on the lap after that he had a lock-up, and today for some reason he didn't looked comfortable at all on his run on the softs, especially in S2 and S3. I believe he will find the right balance, as he has a lot of time for that because he did his first run on the softs somewhere around half an hour before the end of the session. He didnt really did any quick laps after that.

#18484 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:15

WTF, S3 23,8?

#18485 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:20

oh oh scaryyy

Edited by Lelouch, 21 April 2012 - 11:20.


#18486 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:21

Shit, shit ,shit.

#18487 Tarzaan

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:22

F*ck...

#18488 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:22

I'm gonna go jump off a bridge now.

Edited by PoliFanAthic, 21 April 2012 - 11:22.


#18489 Urawa

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:22

Again issues :mad:

#18490 Richardc

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:22

Are you ****ing serious? Why the **** do they do this?

#18491 Octavian

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:22

FFS!!!!!!!!

#18492 Wander

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:22

Beaten by a Caterham!

#18493 Sof1

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:22

Thats is simply sad.

#18494 MCh000

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:23

This is a joke, not a team.

#18495 Igorr

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:23

unbelievable....

#18496 Massa_f1

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:23

Guys its over. Nothing good will ever happen for Schumacher. I have lost all hope

#18497 topical

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:23

:rotfl:

#18498 Diablobb81

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:24

I'm speechless.

#18499 nateshan

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:24

Damn........ :mad: Ok, some work for the DDRS tomorrow then!

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#18500 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:24

He did bad lap and expected to stay there?????