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#18451 spacekid

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 13:26

According to patronize Schumi was a couple of tenths up on Nico on his fast lap before he aborted due to the Caterham.

Still who knows where things are, I would hope the team have been concentrating on tyre data. And Nico is always capable of pulling out a bit more in quali than he can on Friday. The relative race paces on different tyres will very interesting, if we actually get to see that this weekend!

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#18452 FlashMaster

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 13:28

First sector: MS 29.430 vs Rosberg 29.610.

#18453 libano

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 14:39

I'm expecting a similar picture to last week. I'm hoping for the first MSC podium since his comeback, a victory would be as fabulous as it would be unexpected...

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 15:15

I hope it was something other than outright pace that had him more than 1 second off. I read about the fact that he got held up on the lap he posted quickest first sector but he did try once more and was only able to get to that 1+ sec difference. :-/

Unfortunately it seems like now that Merc have a fast car, Nico's going to reap most of the benefits. Gah.

Edited by Ohwell, 20 April 2012 - 15:19.


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Posted 20 April 2012 - 15:15

According to patronize Schumi was a couple of tenths up on Nico on his fast lap before he aborted due to the Caterham.

Still who knows where things are, I would hope the team have been concentrating on tyre data. And Nico is always capable of pulling out a bit more in quali than he can on Friday. The relative race paces on different tyres will very interesting, if we actually get to see that this weekend!


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#18456 Pits

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 15:18

Ok boys, this weekend it's going to happen.
Put the Champagne in the fridge and polish the glasses... :smoking:

#18457 ivand911

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 15:23

OK, one best sector doesn't mean the fastest lap. You need at least 2-3 best sectors. Tyres are still worry.

Edited by ivand911, 20 April 2012 - 15:24.


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Posted 20 April 2012 - 15:42

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Would you mind briefly describe process and software used to get these images on forum, please? Picture is worth - well, a lot.

#18459 ivand911

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 15:49

Would you mind briefly describe process and software used to get these images on forum, please? Picture is worth - well, a lot.

https://play.google....MDEyLmJhc2ljIl0.
This is where the screen shots came from. Rest don't know.

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#18460 nateshan

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 16:13

Would you mind briefly describe process and software used to get these images on forum, please? Picture is worth - well, a lot.


Sakae,

I follow all the sessions using the "F1 2012 Timing App by Soft Pauer" on my iphone/ipad. This app provides the ability to download previous sessions, pause, rewind, forward etc. I paused at the point in question and took a screen shot and posted it. This app has a lot of features compared to the standard timing app (tyres, car position on the track etc).

#18461 Schumywdcf1

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 16:14

OK, one best sector doesn't mean the fastest lap. You need at least 2-3 best sectors. Tyres are still worry.

If you saw the practice session you might have noticed that he was on a fast lap, but was held up by Caterham in s2 and he aborted the lap....and he didn't have any new set to waste, so he didn't go for any other try

#18462 Schumywdcf1

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 16:16

Sakae,

I follow all the sessions using the "F1 2012 Timing App by Soft Pauer" on my iphone/ipad. This app provides the ability to download previous sessions, pause, rewind, forward etc. I paused at the point in question and took a screen shot and posted it. This app has a lot of features compared to the standard timing app (tyres, car position on the track etc).

Exactly I hav the same app on my iPad....it's fantastic :clap:
30$ well spent

#18463 ivand911

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 16:23

If you saw the practice session you might have noticed that he was on a fast lap, but was held up by Caterham in s2 and he aborted the lap....and he didn't have any new set to waste, so he didn't go for any other try

I know all that, I was watching live. I just say that in next two sectors he could be slower than Nico. Nico middle sector was superb. S3 was not bad too. We will see tomorrow. I hope for front row.

Edited by ivand911, 20 April 2012 - 16:24.


#18464 Schumywdcf1

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 16:27

Well there is no way of knowing that

#18465 nateshan

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 16:49

Well there is no way of knowing that


On a similar note, The fast lap posted before the fastest lap indicates that MS was up by .2 in S1, On par in S2 and down by .2 in S3. Basically 0.017 secs faster than Nico. So I would guess that MS could have posted a similar lap time as NR in his run.

#18466 Sof1

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 19:25

Schumi post P2 interview:

Post P2 Interview

#18467 prty

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 20:03

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#18468 Kimble

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 20:26

Schumi back to his old self. Stopwatch on the steering wheel that he uses to try different techniques during practice to find the optimum speed through each section.

#18469 RedBaron

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 20:44

Schumacher sets that stop-watch manually as he drives? Surely not regarding the casio watch from the Ferrari steering wheel. That's crazy. They're fiddly enough without gloves, sitting on a sofa going 0mph.

#18470 Kimble

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 20:50

Yes, he does. Unbelievable isn't it? He has been doing it since his Benetton days.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 21:10

Yes, he does. Unbelievable isn't it? He has been doing it since his Benetton days.


Brilliant! I've never heard of this before.

#18472 Kimble

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 21:20

I think motorsport or autosport magazine had a podcast with Pat Symonds and he re-counted the story.

It might be this one:

http://www.motorspor...th-pat-symonds/



#18473 prty

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 21:22

I think that should be to see exactly when in the session he is, and doesnt adjust it when he drives.

#18474 Kimble

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 22:10

No, listen to the podcast. He times himself through sections to see what works and doesn't.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 22:12

MS is a very good driver.

#18476 Paa

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 22:15

I think that should be to see exactly when in the session he is, and doesnt adjust it when he drives.


Can you please tell me at which minute is he talking about this? I would like to hear that part, but don't feel like listening the whole thing.

edit: nvm, I got it. He starts talking about Michael around 40min if anyone cares.

Edited by Paa, 20 April 2012 - 22:31.


#18477 Kimble

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 22:28

Listen from the 40 minute mark.

On a more general note, and in the nicest way possible, if you like F1 enough to be posting here you should dump the mp3 on your ipod and listen to Pat for an hour.

#18478 prty

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 23:02

No, listen to the podcast. He times himself through sections to see what works and doesn't.


Well thanks for that, but still seems weird to me, because when he was driving for Ferrari, I'd have thought that telemetry allows to know exactly what do you gain/lose and where. In fact, there is that famous video comparing his driving to Herbert, saying that he gained X tenths in some corner of Silverstone. They couldn't have known if telemetry didn't allow that, and seeing where he has put it in the Mercedes now, I seriously doubt he uses the buttons. Plus it isn't in stopwatch mode :)

Edited by prty, 20 April 2012 - 23:05.


#18479 Sakae

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 23:09

Oh he used do a lot of weird things. Once he was watching big TV screens around the track, while leading the race.

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#18480 prty

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 23:49

Oh he used do a lot of weird things. Once he was watching big TV screens around the track, while leading the race.


A lot of drivers do that actually.

By the way, as someone pointed in another forum, in the moment of the picture Schumachers watch displays the twin towers thing date. Conspiracy? ;)

Edited by prty, 21 April 2012 - 00:04.


#18481 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:17

I think the watch in the W03 is only used as watch. How he can change anything on it trough the steering wheel? Watch is far for good reach. On Ferrari the watch is in better position to be used when driving. I guess, the clock is only thing he can't see on the steering wheel.

Edited by ivand911, 21 April 2012 - 06:21.


#18482 spacekid

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:03

In the podcast thingy Pat said that at Benneton Michael used to use the stopwatch when trying out different lines through sections to see which was fastest. I don't know if he's still doing that at Merc.

Having watched P3 I've changed my mind - the race should be cancelled.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:06

I hope MS has setup his car for a bit higher track temperature. His quali pace and race pace setup is well below NR.

Edited by nateshan, 21 April 2012 - 09:09.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:09

Ignoring the error in the middle sector, Schumacher was only 2 tenths off Rosberg. He made a small error in the final corner too, so if he can hook it up he should be looking good for qualifying. The race is where he performs now though in career 2. So qualifying behind a little isn't really a huge deal. We'll see how things shape up for him when he crosses the line. Assuming all the wheels are fitted :)

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:10

Having watched P3 I've changed my mind - the race should be cancelled.

Yeah, agree. Cancel it.
I don't know why MS can't improve his last sector, 23,2 sec with both tyres??? Middle sector is disaster. And I also hope last stints were not similar and they try different things. MS was losing 0,6-0,7 sec in S2 and 0,2 sec in S1 and S3. Last stints sure look different - MS 6 laps, Nico - 3laps.

Edited by ivand911, 21 April 2012 - 09:15.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:14

I hope MS has setup his car for a bit more higher track temperature. His quali pace and race pace setup is well below NR.

His quick lap was definitely bad, there's a lot of room for improvement i think. Also, his times on the mediums looked good imo maybe he is trying to optimize that since that's what matters for tomorrow. His car didn't look so good with softs, tbh we have seen much better balance in 2012 for Michael.

Also did any of you guys get what Jock Clear told Michael about the break and throttle in the radio?

and OT: about Rosberg as i have written elsewhere i expected him to be stellar after scoring his first win, i think Michael needs sort of the same thing, at least a podium asap.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:17

Do the setup improvements to get the tyre management right hamper Michael and work in favour of Nico?

Strange to see Michaels car so unbalanced since he was going so well the start of this year, looking very smooth.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:18

Yeah, agree. Cancel it.
I don't know why MS can't improve his last sector, 23,2 sec with both tyres??? Middle sector is disaster. And I also hope last stints were not similar and they try different things. MS was losing 0,6-0,7 sec there.

In S2 both Mercedes were pretty close at the first stint with mediums iirc right? and actually both didn't look too good compared to Lotus. <speculation>About the last one I hope it is as you say maybe he was trying to find something for qualifying. </speculation>


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:29

Row 1 or 2 is a must of cource.
The balance looked better on the prime tyre and that will be important for tomorrow. Let´s see.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:41

Race pace comparison? I really hope its different fuel levels. :confused:

MS:
1:40.110
1:40.356
1:40.191
1:40.093
1:40.382

NR:
1:39.195
1:39.196

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:52

Rosberg as i have written elsewhere i expected him to be stellar after scoring his first win, i think Michael needs sort of the same thing, at least a podium asap.


I agree. I said the same about Rosberg, needing a good performance. The same goes for Schumacher, that second career wind, or podium will make him feel at home again and would boost his performance.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:52

Race pace comparison? I really hope its different fuel levels. :confused:

MS:
1:40.110
1:40.356
1:40.191
1:40.093
1:40.382

NR:
1:39.195
1:39.196


I am going to be realistic. Rosberg will thrash Schumacher this weekend :-(

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:58

and OT: about Rosberg as i have written elsewhere i expected him to be stellar after scoring his first win, i think Michael needs sort of the same thing, at least a podium asap.


I don't think that's a factor at all. Michael is hungry for a win, he has a car which he has seen is now capable of winning - that should be all the motivation he needs and I believe that right now he really is trying his hardest and has all that motivation and drive.....it's just that for whatever reason Rosberg is extracting more out of the car than Michael and it's nothing to do with Rosberg gaining a win etc.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:00

I love Schumacher but the USUAL motto for every race weekend that I have in regards to watching him is:

"Hope for the best, but expect the worst." so for today, im expecting that sadly, Rosberg will own my man Schumi. But I would love to be proven wrong by the old man though!

Cause let's face it, he often gets unfortunate more than he is lucky and this has been a trend lately.

But anything can change. Im praying this weekend is different than the rest. Cmon Schumi. How about a pole today? Or another top 3 qualy finish? Let's go get it! :)

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:01

Do the setup improvements to get the tyre management right hamper Michael and work in favour of Nico?

Strange to see Michaels car so unbalanced since he was going so well the start of this year, looking very smooth.

Could be. MS will have to adapt again. New tyres maybe didn't favor his style again. He can do it ,but it eats more tyres. So, no sliding.
As driver specialist say Nico is very smart and he adapt very quickly. And if he found something in China, of course MS will have to adapt to that.
And probably car with DDRS is not the easiest thing to drive. In the race things can be better, no so much usage of DRS.

I am going to be realistic. Rosberg will thrash Schumacher this weekend :-(

You can sugar coated it a little. :p

Edited by ivand911, 21 April 2012 - 10:03.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:02

Btw his S3 time on primes was really competitive. Maybe he is lacking grip with the softs since he is really suffering in S2. I don't know, at times their times looked identical, maybe Rosberg is managing to optimize his set up while Schumy can't find the perfect balance.

and reminder about this:

Also did any of you guys get what Jock Clear told Michael about the break and throttle in the radio?


I still don't realize if he can use his old driving style or not.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:03

I am going to be realistic. Rosberg will thrash Schumacher this weekend :-(


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#18498 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:07

And we are still in the dark about MS race pace. We saw one real stint from him.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:08

I don't think that's a factor at all. Michael is hungry for a win, he has a car which he has seen is now capable of winning - that should be all the motivation he needs and I believe that right now he really is trying his hardest and has all that motivation and drive.....it's just that for whatever reason Rosberg is extracting more out of the car than Michael and it's nothing to do with Rosberg gaining a win etc.

It's not the motivation i am questioning, only the confidence and from what i have realized from Rosberg's personality was he needs that kind of confidence ( stuff like what he did in Q3 in China, getting out the car blah blah ). I know that for Schumacher v1 no such thing was necessary probably that's still the case and my comment was wrong. I definitely don't question his motivation he showed us how motivated he is last year. Anyway, my comment had more to do with Rosberg's performance more than Schumacher's. And ofc it could be what you say too, Rosberg is fitting better atm for whatever reason.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:19

I'm expecting the worst. Ie britney pole and Schumi 5th or so.
Car seems to be going away from him and no doubt the team will mess him about some way.