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#18601 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:11

prime, prime, option, option might be the way to go

Probably the only way since the options won't last if he has to fight a lot.

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#18602 SenorSjon

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:12

Ultimately what cost him was running wide in the fast left under going up the hill. The technical failure prevented him from running again perhaps due to safety concerns.

Yes it absolutely sucks and yes it bloody hurts but you can't claim you have lost all hope now- there are many more races to come and Schumi will have his days.

Cheer up guys you never know what might happen tomorrow- a good first lap and a safety car good turn things on its head.

Keep the faith. Schumi needs your support when times are tough.

Edited to also say that p18 will end up being p16 after Maldonado and Vergne take their penalties.


Many many chances for Mercedes to f*** him up (again). Where RedBull has escaped the Jaguar jinx, the BAR one is biting MS.

#18603 repeatoffender

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:14



I think MS team should come up with a very very good strategy so as to end up with good points.

The less they use the soft compound better.

I assume all the front runners are on soft so they will need a earlier/extra pit stop. (Except for Force India).
MS good luck, we are with you all the way. Score good points and lets start this year's campaign from tomorrow.



#18604 Longtimefan

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:16

See, it's not that I don't have any faith in Schumi. And I think im not the only one with the same thinking......

I mean, we're all curious on how he does starting at 18th or whatever tomorrow and blitzing his way up the positions. It'll be fun seeing Schumi be competitive in earning spots towards the upper grid. The prospect of him trying to gain positions itself is exciting indeed.

What I fear and expect is, some id!ot will (LIKE USUAL) bump into Schumacher and force him out of the race while he tries to battle at the start tomorrow. That or some f*** up by Merc crew themselves. That's what I expect to see tomorrow, sorry.


Agreed 100%. Well said.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:18

A very disappointing start. And for n-th time because of technical problems. I know it's a bit tin foil hat, but can't help the feeling someone is being nasty in the mechanics team.

Edited by sharo, 21 April 2012 - 12:19.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:22

A very disappointing start. And for n-th time because of technical problems. I know it's a bit tin foil hat, but can't help the feeling someone is being nasty in the mechanics team.


Rubens?

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:27

A very disappointing start. And for n-th time because of technical problems. I know it's a bit tin foil hat, but can't help the feeling someone is being nasty in the mechanics team.



Didn't we spend years when Schumachers team mates had worse reliability hearing that it was down to the drivers?

What's changed?

Edited by Boing 2, 21 April 2012 - 12:27.


#18608 Urawa

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:30

Didn't we spend years when Schumachers team mates had worse reliability hearing that it was down to the drivers?

What's changed?


There is a difference between worse reliabilty and WAY worse. Since the beginning of 2011 it´s WAY worse on the left side of the garage.
Wasn´t the case to that extend in 2010

#18609 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:37

What worries me even more than Schumy's misfortune is seeing the 2 Red bulls. I hope Mercedes will manage to keep the hunt on.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:40

What worries me even more than Schumy's misfortune is seeing the 2 Red bulls. I hope Mercedes will manage to keep the hunt on.


I think China was pretty much the best chance to win a race this year for them (which they did) as it was last year and 2010.
The car should be very good at some other tracks (Canada, Monza, Singapore, Korea?) so there might be another 1-2 chances but that´s it.

#18611 zelpre

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:44

Already concerned how they will **** up michael's 300th race in SPA.

#18612 sharo

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:45

Already concerned how they will **** up michael's 300th race in SPA.

A melted clutch may be :rolleyes:

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:50

Already concerned how they will **** up michael's 300th race in SPA.

Planning department is right on it as we speak.


#18614 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:51

I think China was pretty much the best chance to win a race this year for them (which they did) as it was last year and 2010.
The car should be very good at some other tracks (Canada, Monza, Singapore, Korea?) so there might be another 1-2 chances but that´s it.

I think i will be a little more optimistic. I think there are more tracks that the W03 can work well in a trouble-free weekend. After all the conditions in Bahrain are unique. I think the team can establish themselves in the top 3, but i don't know if this will be enough for Schumy to win a race.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:56

btw somebody knows how many kilometres Michael did in comparison to Nico this year? Between 1/3 and 1/2 I guess?
He´s on the back foot now and doesn´t look as comfortable as he did in Melbourne or Malaysia.

Edited by Urawa, 21 April 2012 - 12:57.


#18616 Dan333SP

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:57

When I read the absolute panic on this forum among MSC fans, sometimes I wonder... You guys who are bitterly crushed that his WDC chances are slipping and that he "might never get on the podium"... Did most of you guys start watching F1 post-2006? I'm a huge fan myself, and I love to see him race at the front, but if things don't work out I'm not pulling my hair out because I've been watching long enough to have enjoyed his entire dominant career at Ferrari and seen him stand on innumerable podiums. As long as he can pull something special out of the hat in Canada when I get to go to that race I'll be satisfied with his season :up:

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:57

Please, please, please cancel that race.


No, just no.

People need to stop saying this, I've seen this said a few times regarding Schumacher's position. It's utterly moronic, sorry ivan I enjoy your posts but this is silly. Silly because it makes a mockery of the issues Bahrain has and also it undermines Schumacher entirely, he doesn't need this race cancelled because he is starting way down. He can fight, he can gain places and he can have a great race.

He doesn't need this race cancelled to save himself from anything.

#18618 schumimercamg

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:01

No, just no.

People need to stop saying this, I've seen this said a few times regarding Schumacher's position. It's utterly moronic, sorry ivan I enjoy your posts but this is silly. Silly because it makes a mockery of the issues Bahrain has and also it undermines Schumacher entirely, he doesn't need this race cancelled because he is starting way down. He can fight, he can gain places and he can have a great race.

He doesn't need this race cancelled to save himself from anything.




+1.

Ivan we love you because you are a great fan of schumacher and f1 however sometimes you say things without thinking.

#18619 sharo

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:05

+1.

Ivan we love you because you are a great fan of schumacher and f1 however sometimes you say things without thinking.

Recently I've started to doubt whose fan Ivan is.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:06

btw somebody knows how many kilometres Michael did in comparison to Nico this year? Between 1/3 and 1/2 I guess?
He´s on the back foot now and doesn´t look as comfortable as he did in Melbourne or Malaysia.



Sepang wasn't a dry race, melbourne not even half the race in the dry. He hasn't done enough dry running. So with this being he race of 17 left, whch was the whole season of 2000, good time to get started.

Alot of drivers will go through some odd weekends this year, tit's just longer, more chances to have good and bad weekends.

20 races!

The season of 1999/2000 would of started off with bahrain or china/or albert park race 1 or 17. We've had 3 0f 20, it's just a tralier so far.

Edited by SeanValen, 21 April 2012 - 13:11.


#18621 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:11

i think he will beat Rosberg tomorrow! :D

edit: if he manages to see the checkered flag

Edited by Lelouch, 21 April 2012 - 13:13.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:12

A melted clutch may be :rolleyes:

If it has to be anything... :rotfl:

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:13

i think he will beat Rosberg tomorrow! :D


You know what? So do I!

This isn't a disaster by any means and there is still the chance of decent points. I'll enjoy seeing him coming through the field tomorrow!
Stay positive guys!

#18624 Augurk

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:17

i think he will beat Rosberg tomorrow! :D

edit: if he manages to see the checkered flag



You know what? So do I!

This isn't a disaster by any means and there is still the chance of decent points. I'll enjoy seeing him coming through the field tomorrow!
Stay positive guys!

This could very well end up a Spa '11 :)

#18625 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:19

Stay positive guys!

yep, after all we believe he is (one of) the best out there! :smoking:

#18626 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:25

Recently I've started to doubt whose fan Ivan is.

Why because I don't mocker Nico? It is not Nico fault that MS part of the garage are amateurs. Can't put car together.

Edited by ivand911, 21 April 2012 - 13:27.


#18627 sharo

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:32

Why because I don't mocker Nico? It is not Nico fault that MS part of the garageMercedes are amateurs. Can't put car together.

Made a little correction for you :)
Honestly, it's not about Nico at all, you just sound desperate.
Cheers!

#18628 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:05

Best sector times:
S1: 29.999
S2: 41.290
S3: 23.196

Sum: 1:34.485

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:11

Didn't we spend years when Schumachers team mates had worse reliability hearing that it was down to the drivers?

What's changed?


A gearbox, a Grosjean, a wheelgun and a rear wing, that's what.

Edited by Pamphlet, 21 April 2012 - 14:12.


#18630 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:14

Yeah, so as I thought, better than Rosberg's Q1 time. Shame.

#18631 George Costanza

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:23

It looks terrible; but if this goes on for the Spanish GP and the European section of the season.... I will not follow this team.

It looks like Ferrari during the mid 2000 season, when Schu had technical issues or retirements from Monaco to Germany (2000) but, of course, that was vintage Schu and Ferrari were the very best.

Edited by George Costanza, 21 April 2012 - 14:28.


#18632 Lights

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:28

Even though Rosberg is showing more promise, I just cannot believe how much bad luck Schumacher has suffered this year. I hope he can get some decent points tomorrow.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:17

Didn't we spend years when Schumachers team mates had worse reliability hearing that it was down to the drivers?

What's changed?


You might have done. I didn't.

Please explain how a wheel nut not going on properly is Michael's fault?

#18634 spacekid

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:19

Another dissapointing weekend. 4 races and not a clean weekend, and none of the incidents so far Schumi's fault (despite what above posters would claim).

Its motor racing, it happens. What galls me is the likes of the bloke above coming here to gloat so he can use it as 'proof' that Michael was an over rated driver and all the usual rubbish we get on here.

Anyway, hoping for a decent showing in the race.

#18635 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:23

Another dissapointing weekend. 4 races and not a clean weekend, and none of the incidents so far Schumi's fault (despite what above posters would claim).

Its motor racing, it happens. What galls me is the likes of the bloke above coming here to gloat so he can use it as 'proof' that Michael was an over rated driver and all the usual rubbish we get on here.

Anyway, hoping for a decent showing in the race.

3 good saturdays -> 3 bad sundays
1 bad saturday -> 1 good sunday maybe??

Stay optimistic and keep smiling :D

#18636 Octavian

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:30

Well from that position Michael is unlikely to go backwards tomorrow so at the very least we are going to see him make some great overtakes and if the tyres go off like last race in China then towards the end of the race we'll see him in some great wheel to wheel action - something we haven't seen much of from him this season (due to really bad luck) so it is going to be an enjoyable race even if he isn't at the sharp end! :)

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:33

OK, strategy for tomorrow? MS will start with mediums, so is the 6 guys ahead of him. He can take 1-2 places in first lap. And to make one longer(than the people with softs) stint. The problem after is that all the teams ahead have same speed. Last year we know he will start 24th ,but he have speed better than P5-P12 teams. Now it is different. And now MGP is not the fastest on the speed trap.
They clearly changed something on the car since Friday. For tyre management reasons. I think that because Nico did S3 - 22,8sec , today his best was 23,1sec. Also the middle sector is worry. I just hope the race pace is good. Hope other teams will have worst degradation than MGP.

Edited by ivand911, 21 April 2012 - 15:41.


#18638 spacekid

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:40

3 good saturdays -> 3 bad sundays
1 bad saturday -> 1 good sunday maybe??

Stay optimistic and keep smiling :D


lol, yeah you're right, who knows!!

Although these days in F1 drives from the back seem to be tough - just look at Button in Malaysia. Once the top cars are back with the slower ones they get killed by the field spread. And there's zero chance of a SC in Bahrain with the size of those run offs.

I actually think its the message board that upsets me more than the balls up in quali, I should just avoid it when he has problems!

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:42

Disappoiniting result but it aint sunday yet so lets wait in see. For all we know even in the hopeless situations MS can pull it off.

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#18640 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:45

I think Ivan is right, I'm not expecting anything spectacular like last year - with many passes and being top 10 after five laps. The difference between all the teams is just too small.

#18641 Massa_f1

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:47

A very disappointing start. And for n-th time because of technical problems. I know it's a bit tin foil hat, but can't help the feeling someone is being nasty in the mechanics team.


Yes. its about time he stopped saying the boys are doing a good job and that he is sorry for them. The boys are not doing a good job, not on his side of the garage, and its about time he told them that. He is a 7X world champion and deserves better peope to work around.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 16:00

Team said they focus on the race pace(that is what I expected), so I am still hopeful. As I said I expect them to win degradation war, not to beat other teams by speed. Maybe some other teams go for Q pace and they can suffer in the race. If that is the case it is good, if not it is BAD. :) I think team rightfully decided that tomorrow will be a tyre massacre. And they prepare for that. Fingers crossed.

#18643 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 16:30

If his DRS is fixed, he should make up quite a few places on that 1km start/finish straight. Infact, we should be able to see just how effective it really can be.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 16:32

You guys know it's gonna be another DNF unless some sort of miracle happens

#18645 Sakae

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 16:36

If his DRS is fixed, he should make up quite a few places on that 1km start/finish straight. Infact, we should be able to see just how effective it really can be.



With likes Petrov and NH around him, i would not put my hopes too high that he will finish the race.

#18646 Snic

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 16:44

He should finish top 10, fast car and lots of tyres, anything less would be a disappointment. Should be interesting to see how effective the super-DRS is.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:15


The wire rope of the DRS was broken, says AMuS
Button said he wouldn´t write Michael off for the race tomorrow due to the tyre situation

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:21

Yes. its about time he stopped saying the boys are doing a good job and that he is sorry for them. The boys are not doing a good job, not on his side of the garage, and its about time he told them that. He is a 7X world champion and deserves better peope to work around.


That's a load of bull****. Some of you think the team is conspiring against him which is more bull****. He's having a run of bad luck. It happens in racing.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:48

Beaten by a Caterham!

Fins are evil people :evil:

They keep bullying Schumy for ages already: Mika, Kimi and now Heikki.
The problem is as times goes by it takes less tallented Fins to outpace him. :(

There is still time to avoid Bottas through :well:

Edited by IceSkyrim, 21 April 2012 - 17:49.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:48

He'll not have a breakdown since his race has already been compromised. :well:

I can only hope, but things have been indeed ridiculous so far. The breakthroughs have a way of happening when it seems that there's so much more that the situation cannot take. His is pretty ridiculous now as it is. If he has another problem then I no longer consider it bad luck but that his engineers need to pull their socks up.