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#18601 SeanValen

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:06

btw somebody knows how many kilometres Michael did in comparison to Nico this year? Between 1/3 and 1/2 I guess?
He´s on the back foot now and doesn´t look as comfortable as he did in Melbourne or Malaysia.



Sepang wasn't a dry race, melbourne not even half the race in the dry. He hasn't done enough dry running. So with this being he race of 17 left, whch was the whole season of 2000, good time to get started.

Alot of drivers will go through some odd weekends this year, tit's just longer, more chances to have good and bad weekends.

20 races!

The season of 1999/2000 would of started off with bahrain or china/or albert park race 1 or 17. We've had 3 0f 20, it's just a tralier so far.

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#18602 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:11

i think he will beat Rosberg tomorrow! :D

edit: if he manages to see the checkered flag

Edited by Lelouch, 21 April 2012 - 13:13.


#18603 Augurk

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:12

A melted clutch may be :rolleyes:

If it has to be anything... :rotfl:

#18604 Octavian

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:13

i think he will beat Rosberg tomorrow! :D


You know what? So do I!

This isn't a disaster by any means and there is still the chance of decent points. I'll enjoy seeing him coming through the field tomorrow!
Stay positive guys!

#18605 Augurk

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:17

i think he will beat Rosberg tomorrow! :D

edit: if he manages to see the checkered flag



You know what? So do I!

This isn't a disaster by any means and there is still the chance of decent points. I'll enjoy seeing him coming through the field tomorrow!
Stay positive guys!

This could very well end up a Spa '11 :)

#18606 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:19

Stay positive guys!

yep, after all we believe he is (one of) the best out there! :smoking:

#18607 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:25

Recently I've started to doubt whose fan Ivan is.

Why because I don't mocker Nico? It is not Nico fault that MS part of the garage are amateurs. Can't put car together.

Edited by ivand911, 21 April 2012 - 13:27.


#18608 sharo

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 13:32

Why because I don't mocker Nico? It is not Nico fault that MS part of the garageMercedes are amateurs. Can't put car together.

Made a little correction for you :)
Honestly, it's not about Nico at all, you just sound desperate.
Cheers!

#18609 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:05

Best sector times:
S1: 29.999
S2: 41.290
S3: 23.196

Sum: 1:34.485

#18610 Pamphlet

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:11

Didn't we spend years when Schumachers team mates had worse reliability hearing that it was down to the drivers?

What's changed?


A gearbox, a Grosjean, a wheelgun and a rear wing, that's what.

Edited by Pamphlet, 21 April 2012 - 14:12.


#18611 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:14

Yeah, so as I thought, better than Rosberg's Q1 time. Shame.

#18612 George Costanza

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:23

It looks terrible; but if this goes on for the Spanish GP and the European section of the season.... I will not follow this team.

It looks like Ferrari during the mid 2000 season, when Schu had technical issues or retirements from Monaco to Germany (2000) but, of course, that was vintage Schu and Ferrari were the very best.

Edited by George Costanza, 21 April 2012 - 14:28.


#18613 Lights

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:28

Even though Rosberg is showing more promise, I just cannot believe how much bad luck Schumacher has suffered this year. I hope he can get some decent points tomorrow.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:17

Didn't we spend years when Schumachers team mates had worse reliability hearing that it was down to the drivers?

What's changed?


You might have done. I didn't.

Please explain how a wheel nut not going on properly is Michael's fault?

#18615 spacekid

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:19

Another dissapointing weekend. 4 races and not a clean weekend, and none of the incidents so far Schumi's fault (despite what above posters would claim).

Its motor racing, it happens. What galls me is the likes of the bloke above coming here to gloat so he can use it as 'proof' that Michael was an over rated driver and all the usual rubbish we get on here.

Anyway, hoping for a decent showing in the race.

#18616 Lelouch

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:23

Another dissapointing weekend. 4 races and not a clean weekend, and none of the incidents so far Schumi's fault (despite what above posters would claim).

Its motor racing, it happens. What galls me is the likes of the bloke above coming here to gloat so he can use it as 'proof' that Michael was an over rated driver and all the usual rubbish we get on here.

Anyway, hoping for a decent showing in the race.

3 good saturdays -> 3 bad sundays
1 bad saturday -> 1 good sunday maybe??

Stay optimistic and keep smiling :D

#18617 Octavian

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:30

Well from that position Michael is unlikely to go backwards tomorrow so at the very least we are going to see him make some great overtakes and if the tyres go off like last race in China then towards the end of the race we'll see him in some great wheel to wheel action - something we haven't seen much of from him this season (due to really bad luck) so it is going to be an enjoyable race even if he isn't at the sharp end! :)

#18618 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:33

OK, strategy for tomorrow? MS will start with mediums, so is the 6 guys ahead of him. He can take 1-2 places in first lap. And to make one longer(than the people with softs) stint. The problem after is that all the teams ahead have same speed. Last year we know he will start 24th ,but he have speed better than P5-P12 teams. Now it is different. And now MGP is not the fastest on the speed trap.
They clearly changed something on the car since Friday. For tyre management reasons. I think that because Nico did S3 - 22,8sec , today his best was 23,1sec. Also the middle sector is worry. I just hope the race pace is good. Hope other teams will have worst degradation than MGP.

Edited by ivand911, 21 April 2012 - 15:41.


#18619 spacekid

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:40

3 good saturdays -> 3 bad sundays
1 bad saturday -> 1 good sunday maybe??

Stay optimistic and keep smiling :D


lol, yeah you're right, who knows!!

Although these days in F1 drives from the back seem to be tough - just look at Button in Malaysia. Once the top cars are back with the slower ones they get killed by the field spread. And there's zero chance of a SC in Bahrain with the size of those run offs.

I actually think its the message board that upsets me more than the balls up in quali, I should just avoid it when he has problems!

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#18620 exmayol

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:42

Disappoiniting result but it aint sunday yet so lets wait in see. For all we know even in the hopeless situations MS can pull it off.

#18621 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:45

I think Ivan is right, I'm not expecting anything spectacular like last year - with many passes and being top 10 after five laps. The difference between all the teams is just too small.

#18622 Massa_f1

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:47

A very disappointing start. And for n-th time because of technical problems. I know it's a bit tin foil hat, but can't help the feeling someone is being nasty in the mechanics team.


Yes. its about time he stopped saying the boys are doing a good job and that he is sorry for them. The boys are not doing a good job, not on his side of the garage, and its about time he told them that. He is a 7X world champion and deserves better peope to work around.

#18623 ivand911

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 16:00

Team said they focus on the race pace(that is what I expected), so I am still hopeful. As I said I expect them to win degradation war, not to beat other teams by speed. Maybe some other teams go for Q pace and they can suffer in the race. If that is the case it is good, if not it is BAD. :) I think team rightfully decided that tomorrow will be a tyre massacre. And they prepare for that. Fingers crossed.

#18624 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 16:30

If his DRS is fixed, he should make up quite a few places on that 1km start/finish straight. Infact, we should be able to see just how effective it really can be.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 16:32

You guys know it's gonna be another DNF unless some sort of miracle happens

#18626 Sakae

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 16:36

If his DRS is fixed, he should make up quite a few places on that 1km start/finish straight. Infact, we should be able to see just how effective it really can be.



With likes Petrov and NH around him, i would not put my hopes too high that he will finish the race.

#18627 Snic

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 16:44

He should finish top 10, fast car and lots of tyres, anything less would be a disappointment. Should be interesting to see how effective the super-DRS is.

#18628 Urawa

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:15


The wire rope of the DRS was broken, says AMuS
Button said he wouldn´t write Michael off for the race tomorrow due to the tyre situation

#18629 jj2728

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:21

Yes. its about time he stopped saying the boys are doing a good job and that he is sorry for them. The boys are not doing a good job, not on his side of the garage, and its about time he told them that. He is a 7X world champion and deserves better peope to work around.


That's a load of bull****. Some of you think the team is conspiring against him which is more bull****. He's having a run of bad luck. It happens in racing.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:48

Beaten by a Caterham!

Fins are evil people :evil:

They keep bullying Schumy for ages already: Mika, Kimi and now Heikki.
The problem is as times goes by it takes less tallented Fins to outpace him. :(

There is still time to avoid Bottas through :well:

Edited by IceSkyrim, 21 April 2012 - 17:49.


#18631 ali_M

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:48

He'll not have a breakdown since his race has already been compromised. :well:

I can only hope, but things have been indeed ridiculous so far. The breakthroughs have a way of happening when it seems that there's so much more that the situation cannot take. His is pretty ridiculous now as it is. If he has another problem then I no longer consider it bad luck but that his engineers need to pull their socks up.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:58

The wire rope of the DRS was broken, says AMuS
Button said he wouldn´t write Michael off for the race tomorrow due to the tyre situation


The same rope they produce wheel nuts and gearboxes from? :p

I guess tomorrow it will be race damage or an engine failure that spells his doom. It's Mercedes failure bingo with his car.
race 1: ~20%
race 2: 100%
race 3: ~20%

Rosberg has covered more than twice the distance. :eek:

#18633 Augurk

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 18:36

The Kovalainen moment reminded me of a certain edition of ROC... :)

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 18:59

That's a load of bull****. Some of you think the team is conspiring against him which is more bull****. He's having a run of bad luck. It happens in racing.

Seriously guys, it's a crock when LH 'fans' play the conspiracy card, and it's the same pile of smelly poo when you say it here.

Don't degrade yourself or your driver by making such silly claims that you can't possibly substantiate.

Frustrating, yes... immensely. Conspiracy... No.

#18635 Longtimefan

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 19:11

Starting so far back among the backmarkers fills me with dread, I'm expecting him to lose a front wing on lap 1-2 and probably to DNF within 20 laps. (although I'd dearly love him to fly through the field and finish ahead of Britney)

I know he still has the talent and skill, just so much bad luck or is it.. Merc seriously need to sort themselves out.
They have a legend in the team and they are wasting his skill.

Edited by Longtimefan, 21 April 2012 - 19:11.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 19:14

The Kovalainen moment reminded me of a certain edition of ROC... :)


I loved that moment. Heikki at his finest.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 21:04

Seriously guys, it's a crock when LH 'fans' play the conspiracy card, and it's the same pile of smelly poo when you say it here.

Don't degrade yourself or your driver by making such silly claims that you can't possibly substantiate.

Frustrating, yes... immensely. Conspiracy... No.


I agree MightyMoose, no conspiracy, its just how the cards fall. Its frustrating, nothing more.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 02:10

Nothing more? How about his last chance EVER to fight for WDC? I though that's why we came in, haven't we?

Edited by Sakae, 22 April 2012 - 02:11.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:18

Nothing more? How about his last chance EVER to fight for WDC? I though that's why we came in, haven't we?

You can't fight for WDC if you car is not operational. And if you do half the mileage.
How about one stop less today?

Edited by ivand911, 22 April 2012 - 06:20.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:22

Nothing more? How about his last chance EVER to fight for WDC? I though that's why we came in, haven't we?

Hear! Hear!

Those three technical problems have already caused irreparable damage to his 2012 campaign.

Edited by Spa95, 22 April 2012 - 06:25.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:23

How about one stop less today?


What's the point of doing one stop less if the only trump card he has is all the tyres he has saved?

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:25

What's the point of doing one stop less if the only trump card he has is all the tyres he has saved?

I don't think he intended to save so many sets before Q started. But, still if he can do one stop less, he will not sit and think about his new tyres left unused.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:02

Possibly a gearbox change for Schumacher according to Brundle on Twitter

I'm hearing that Michael Schumacher will have a gearbox change and take a 5 place grid drop while he's towards the back anyway.



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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:15

I don't think he intended to save so many sets before Q started. But, still if he can do one stop less, he will not sit and think about his new tyres left unused.

Imo Bahrain is not the track to try to make such a strategy work. Especially, when starting so far behind ( probably even further back as RedBaron mentions ) i don't think his tires will last and as you said yesterday the field is too close this year i think it will be tougher to gain positions like that. Imo it would be better to gain advantage of DRS and his faster car in order to recover asap and then hopefully his saved tire sets may help him push more towards the end of the race and score some points. For some reason he can have a decent race and take advantage of the tyre problems others may face. Hopefully his tires will work well and he will have good pace.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:22

I'm a bit surprised with so many people here predicting bad outcomes and worrying that Michael will be involved in incidents with midfield drivers. I think you guys should be more optimistic. Look at last race, it can be done! Almost no incidents in the midfield!

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:25

It's a pitty Schumacher isn't so good anymore. Here it's his 2006 bahrain pole


This laps is absolutely perfect, doesn't miss a single apex and not the slightest mistake. Just look how he perfectly puts the car just before the kerbs on most corners

The pole of 2012 is much worse


Vettel misses some apexes and have not perfect line as MSC

#18647 ivand911

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:29

Possibly a gearbox change for Schumacher according to Brundle on Twitter

What this mean? They put cross on this race? Or that MS will gain this 5 places easily? He will take new gearbox now and new one in the next race, because it is free.
I don't know, people continue saying he have fast car and DRS advantage? On the speed traps the car is nowhere, DRS advantage is traded for more DF, so it is not exist. As I said speed doesn't mean anything, there isn't naturally fast cars. There is only cars that use the tyres better and those maintain higher race pace because of that. After sacrificing so much speed in Q , I hope W03 is such car. Doing many stops will not help, to go over and over again through that same cars? You make some ground and after the pit you are again 25 sec back. I am not sure, but until now lower pit counts win?

Zauba, I think you answer to your question alone. Different rules(Q format), tyres. Different way of driving.

Edited by ivand911, 22 April 2012 - 07:38.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:31

What this mean? They put cross on this race? Or that MS will gain this 5 places easily? He will take new gearbox now and new one in the next race, because it is free.
I don't know, people continue saying he have fast car and DRS advantage? On the speed traps the cat is nowhere, DRS advantage is traded for more DF, so it is not exist. As I said speed doesn't mean anything, there isn't naturally fast cars. There is only cars that use the tyres better and those maintain higher race pace because of that. After sacrificing so much speed in Q , I hope W03 is such car. Doing many stops will not help, to go over and over again through that same cars? You make some ground and after the pit you are again 25 sec back.


I assume he will gain those 5 places fairly easily... so they felt it was a sacrifice they were willing to make. maybe start him from the pit lane too to make some set=up changes on race day? Who knows.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:38

It's a pitty Schumacher isn't so good anymore. Here it's his 2006 bahrain pole


This laps is absolutely perfect, doesn't miss a single apex and not the slightest mistake. Just look how he perfectly puts the car just before the kerbs on most corners

The pole of 2012 is much worse


Vettel misses some apexes and have not perfect line as MSC

The cars in 2006 had a lot more downforce.

In other note, MS gearbox change can also include changed gear ratios, if I am not mistaken? Could help with overtaking.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:41

In other note, MS gearbox change can also include changed gear ratios, if I am not mistaken? Could help with overtaking.

I think you've made a very good point here!