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#18701 DracoN

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:26

They can change ratios x amount of times without suffering a box penalty so it wouldn't have been for that.

Gear ratios are fixed, if they change them so shumi should start from bit

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#18702 Richardc

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:31

Ok, this mood is changing to optimisitc and i'm in. Storming race through the field to take home some valuable points.

#18703 Zauba

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:33

Maybe, as FlashMaster said to have more race setup. But, still the problem is tyre degradation. Did they try this, racing harder will damage the tyres more, so maybe he will need more pitstops then. I don't know what are rules for gearbox change, do you have to put gearbox with the same characteristic like the gearbox you change? If you can change the ratios OK, you can start 22nd, if not, to do the ratios change you need to start from the pit?


Yes, I also think that they can't change it after Q start and between Q and the race(park ferme). They have to decide ratios before Q start.

AFAIK, the gear ratio must be defined after FP2 and then no more change is allowed

#18704 race addicted

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:34

If you take a new gearbox, I'm sure you can also change the ratios! (??)

#18705 nOfe4r

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:35

Okay then the DRS gearing theorie goes bust unfortunately.

#18706 Augurk

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:42

I think the rules are grey in this aspect. The parc ferme rules state you cannot do anything on the car except a list of exceptions. The gear box replace rule just says you take a 5 place grid penalty. Never does it say the replacement gear box must have the same gear ratios as the replaced one.

However a team can only use 30 gear box ratios per season, and must provide the FIA with them before the first race. So they might have chosen one that they intended to use on a different track.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:51

It's drizzling with rain, conditions are cooler too. Someone create a theory.

#18708 Augurk

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:52

It's drizzling with rain, conditions are cooler too. Someone create a theory.

It must be the FIA sprinklers. I can't believe it actually rains in Bahrain.

It's in the middle of the desert!

#18709 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:54

It's drizzling with rain, conditions are cooler too. Someone create a theory.


Some idiot crashes into Schumacher because they missed their braking point.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:57

It's drizzling with rain, conditions are cooler too. Someone create a theory.

Yeah, it is time to start from the pit. Change the setup for the 4-5-6 degree cooler temperature. It is really interesting for what temperatures teams setup their cars for today. 4-5 degree off can play well for MS, if he change his set up for the actual temperature. Not expecting wet race.

#18711 race addicted

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:58

Informative, Augurk, but about the part fermé rules, Schumacher's car was taken out probably yesterday evening or early this morning.

#18712 Augurk

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:00

Informative, Augurk, but about the part fermé rules, Schumacher's car was taken out probably yesterday evening or early this morning.

If he was taken out of Parc ferme he would have to start from the pits, so I don't think he was. Just a permitted replacement of the gear box with the subsequent penalty applied.

#18713 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:01

Yeah, it is time to start from the pit. Change the setup for the 4-5-6 degree cooler temperature. It is really interesting for what temperatures teams setup their cars for today. 4-5 degree off can play well for MS, if he change his set up for the actual temperature. Not expecting wet race.


They won't do it, his name is not Rosberg.



#18714 Longtimefan

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:05

22nd? God it goes from bad to worse.

I can't see him getting past the first 5 laps with some of the muppets at the back.
Sick of this team, not sure I even want to watch now, there's only so much pain I can take.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:11

If he was taken out of Parc ferme he would have to start from the pits, so I don't think he was. Just a permitted replacement of the gear box with the subsequent penalty applied.


Ah, right! When you take the car out of part fermé you automatically have to start from the pit lane, of course.

#18716 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:12

Dear Ross Brawn, with Michael starting from P22 and changing conditions. What's your conclusion? I expect the worst (no setup change, start from P22 and on softs :rotfl: )

http://yfrog.com/o0c2ttdj

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:12

22nd? God it goes from bad to worse.

I can't see him getting past the first 5 laps with some of the muppets at the back.
Sick of this team, not sure I even want to watch now, there's only so much pain I can take.

Worst will be if there will be wet race. Battling all day with Petrov and Kova.

Edited by ivand911, 22 April 2012 - 10:12.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:46

Who sais it can't get worse? ): :rolleyes:

#18719 stillOrange

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:52

If you take a new gearbox, I'm sure you can also change the ratios! (??)

That is my understanding as well. Is there any other topic where we could find confirmation?

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#18720 Disgrace

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:16

... some of the muppets at the back.


This disrespectful attitude has to stop. The likes of Button have already shown that they can be at fault for a collision with a "muppet."

#18721 Wade

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:21

Wow I wake up and hear this splendid news. From 18th to 17th then to 22nd! Boom! Well done Merc

Now of course, there's that typical Rosberg podium and Schumacher DNF waiting in line to happen hours from now to make things even better for MS and us his fans. :(


Seriously though, let's see what the old man can do today. Im not expecting much but ANYTHING could happen. And by anything, that ranges from a lucky win that marks his 92nd, to a podium, to a not too shabby top 10 finish, to a blown engine, to Schumacher running over a Merc pit crew member in the pits that results to a 2 year ban, to not enough fuel to finish the race, to a wing failure, to a DRS failure, to a wheel failure or when it comes to it, the best among the daddies, to a Petrov. :(

#18722 Longtimefan

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:28

Now of course, there's that typical Rosberg podium and Schumacher DNF waiting in line to happen hours from now to make things even better for MS and us his fans. :(


Indeed, even more points for 'cruise and collect' Britney. :mad:

#18723 Augurk

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:30

Indeed, even more points for 'cruise and collect' Britney. :mad:

And even if it is a Spa '11 repeat and Schuey drives way up the field to even finish in front of Rosberg we'll be hearing here how he was so advantaged starting on the prime tires...

#18724 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:34

Merc Twitter: "Nico starts from P5 and Michael from P22 following his gearbox grid penalty"

He won't start from pitlane. I hate this team.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:38

Merc Twitter: "Nico starts from P5 and Michael from P22 following his gearbox grid penalty"

He won't start from pitlane. I hate this team.

Maybe they don't have to?


#18726 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:40

Maybe they don't have to?


There's a lot more you can change than gear ratio under these changing conditions.

#18727 Pits

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:48

To be honest, I don't think we will see a Spa 2011 repeat today.
Or not even this season for that matter, the field is to tight and the tires are to fragile. :|

#18728 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:53

22 to 15th will be easy. After that it is very tight and he'll struggle.

#18729 SeanValen

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:55

Who would of thought, rain and cooler temps.


This is when Sudnay warm up would of come to everyone's aids.

Setup work prior to Sunday now could be off.. Most likely off, but who's will be more off.....


I think Nico has a strong chance for competing for win.


Schumacher may lose benefit of extra tyres, didn't see the gearbox change coming, but could understand why, but then with weather changes, things may/may not go right.




#18730 zelpre

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:58

It's going to be though race for michael, like he said himself in the interview.

#18731 Buttoneer

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 12:07

Race discussion is here or in Autosport Live please. This thread is not for discussion of the race.

http://forums.autosp...howtopic=166508

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 12:59

Horrible race pace, this coming from a die-hard MS fan. I'm not going to believe him from now on when he says he has set his car up for the race. Absolutely no progress through the field.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:03

Horrible race pace, this coming from a die-hard MS fan. I'm not going to believe him from now on when he says he has set his car up for the race. Absolutely no progress through the field.


The car is simply shit, compared to the rest. He is running Rosberg's pace.

#18734 ivand911

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:47

Horrible race pace, this coming from a die-hard MS fan. I'm not going to believe him from now on when he says he has set his car up for the race. Absolutely no progress through the field.

Yeah, he setup for the race, just the pace is not good. But, not worst than McL. Problem is they didn't have an updates for 4 races, all other have. Don't forget tyre lottery.

Edited by ivand911, 22 April 2012 - 13:48.


#18735 Urawa

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:47

Another weekend to forget, this is getting totally unpredictable this year.

#18736 Lelouch

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:48

Well fought point from Schumy.

#18737 SeanValen

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:48

The car is simply shit, compared to the rest. He is running Rosberg's pace.

Horrible race pace, this coming from a die-hard MS fan. I'm not going to believe him from now on when he says he has set his car up for the race. Absolutely no progress through the field.




This Bahrain race is usually hot, Mercedes have a car that that has a window that they set up for, and no one expected some rain and cooler temps, you could tell at the start of the race, without sunday warm up like before, you can't change the car, the weather threw mercedes pace, look at Mclaren firstly!

Redbull and Renault have a wider operating window, the tempatures dictated quite alot. Mclaren and Mercedes need to get their set ups to match Sunday race tempatures.

The day today was all about track temperatures.


This season is going to go everything if Saturday and Sunday are vastly different temperatures. If Mclaren and Mercedes are ahead of redbull, that makes things harder for vettel, it's interesting redbull were ahead of both of them today, next time, who knows.

Edited by SeanValen, 22 April 2012 - 13:52.


#18738 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:48

Nothing spectacular, 16 seconds behind Rosberg. Neither Mercedes seemed very strong here, shame.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:49

awful show by mercedes and schumacher :down:

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#18740 ivand911

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:51

awful show by mercedes and schumacher :down:

Explain? He come from 22nd, and the F1 is not what it was. Williams ,Sauber and FI have the same pace, maybe even better than MGP today.

Edited by ivand911, 22 April 2012 - 13:53.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:53

I shouldn't have woken up at 5am for 1 point! lol

#18742 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:54

Overheating tyres, just shows what bunch of amateurs are running this team. Instead of starting from the pitlane and changing the setup they let him start on soft rubber.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:55

Decent enough showing from Schumi in that he came from 22nd to get the final point, and was only 16 seconds behind Rosberg who remained 5th. Taking field spread into account and the time lost in racing other cars and it wasn't a bad drive. Not magic, but he couldn't have done much more and at least made his way through the field cleanly.

#18744 Diablobb81

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:56

In interview Michael completely disappointed with the tires in general.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:58

they had so much freedom in their choices and what are they doing? Just covering Nico and react a lap later...

Thank god there´s a bit of testing now to sort a few things out.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:00

meh not bad, however you look at it - 22 to 10 is pretty awesome either way, but cant fault him right there but good to know this weekend is finally over. still disappointed with the team but im over this race already

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:01

Another weekend to forget, this is getting totally unpredictable this year.

No, BAR Honda's pathetic tyre management, constant strategic blunders and pathetic reliability are totally predictable.

Edited by Vic Vega, 22 April 2012 - 14:07.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:03

Overheating tyres, just shows what bunch of amateurs are running this team. Instead of starting from the pitlane and changing the setup they let him start on soft rubber.



Did he start on softs? That was a bad call, with the issue that happened y'day I thought he will start on hard with 2 stops.

#18749 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:04

they had so much freedom in their choices and what are they doing? Just covering Nico and react a lap later...

Thank god there´s a bit of testing now to sort a few things out.


Just look at the 3rd stint (on medium). Rosberg's tyres were gone but Schumi's were still OK, but the team again pitted him a lap after Rosberg. Pathetic.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:04

Poor set up from both Mercedes. Michael got a point but really, lots of head scratching to go on I'm sure.

Only 16 seconds behind Nico who quite frankly was a shadow of the guy who won last week. He deserved two drive throughs today.