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#18751 ramad

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:07

Explain? He come from 22nd, and the F1 is not what it was. Williams ,Sauber and FI have the same pace, maybe even better than MGP today.

Sorry i was so upset i am die hard fan of him.... I can't see him in this position... He is 7 time world champion he should beat his team mate first .... I have so much respect and love for what he achieved in his journey in F1....It's just sad . :(
And by the way i always follow you [ivand911] :)

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#18752 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:17

Frustrating to see Kimi on the podium after his fourth race, while Michael's been at in unsuccessfully for more than forty. Have to acknowledge though that a) Kimi's driving pretty well and b) Lotus is a better car than anything MGP put out 2010/2011.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:21

Sorry i was so upset i am die hard fan of him.... I can't see him in this position... He is 7 time world champion he should beat his team mate first .... I have so much respect and love for what he achieved in his journey in F1....It's just sad . :(
And by the way i always follow you [ivand911] :)


It mgiht help if he didn't get scuppered in qually so he started higher than dead last when his team mate put it in 5th.

5th to 5th, v 22nd to 10th (and this isn't including a potential penalty for rosberg that if awarded, should have definitely been mid race and not post). Not the best weekend, but certainly not a terrible one. And MS' pace was within a tenth of Rosberg's most times i managed to get live timing working for me.

#18754 F1Champion

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:22

I'm giving this one to Michael, starting at the back and having to deal with field spread and passing people. A good result all things considered.

#18755 Scotracer

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:23

Not a bad result really. Still, a surprising lack of pace mid-race.

#18756 Paco

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:25

Do people watch the race before commenting???

Schumi did as much as he could with a car that simply wasn't the best out there. He finished 16s behind Nico.!!! 16s coming back from the rear of the grid driving behind cars that were racing way slower then the cars Nico was behind.

Nico was disappointing today... don't get how he didn't get a 3rd. It was there for the taking but he went back to his 2011 routine of being conservative and getting mid pack points. Weird.

As for Merc. What a mess of it all.

That being said, it seems EVERY team is struggling to get to grips with how to work the tires. Seems every race only 1 or 2 teams get it right and every one else is left wondering where they went wrong.



#18757 Tarzaan

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:26

p18 in the WDC. Only the "new" teams are behind him :(

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:27

Michael had a much better race than Nico but both suffered with tyres.

Seriously, the sport is a joke with the current tyres, they're just limiting everyones pace competely. bah.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:28

Not a very good weekend for him, despite my believe that he did utmost with what he had. Sad times for the team.

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#18760 ivand911

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:29

I'm giving this one to Michael, starting at the back and having to deal with field spread and passing people. A good result all things considered.

Yeah, interestingly is how much harder is to progress from last to the points, because the field is so close. It seems mediums were faster , so I don't get their strategy? He can do one stint with softs and next ones with medium.


#18761 sharo

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:29

All cars have to drive conservatively hence the tighter pack. No one dares make a fast lap to the ability of the car.

#18762 Paco

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 15:16

Sad display by F1 having all their drivers sooooooo afraid of their taking cars to the limit of the drivers ability cause of weakly structured tires as mandated by the FIA.

And yet we all watch this train wreck unfolding.

Edited by Paco, 22 April 2012 - 15:48.


#18763 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 15:46

Looking at the best sector times, it's quite shocking to see Schumacher in 19th for sector 2 - and no better than 12th and 13th in sectors 1 and 2.

#18764 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:23

The European part of the season usually paints a clearer picture of the pecking order.

It is sad though, podiums were possible in two of the races and Schumacher has only two points to his name. The worst start to his F1 season EVER despite having a winning car.....

#18765 Zauba

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:24

In interview Michael completely disappointed with the tires in general.

Yeah, Schumi wants tires that forgive more...

He seems frustrated and said that he just can give 50,60% around the corners.


#18766 glorius&victorius

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:46

seeing Kimi on the podium in his fourth race since returning to F1... I could help to think that MS still hasn't been on the podium since his comeback.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:58

seeing Kimi on the podium in his fourth race since returning to F1... I could help to think that MS still hasn't been on the podium since his comeback.

Yeah, and Kimi say about that : returning with good car help.
http://en.espnf1.com...tory/74920.html
:rotfl:
You fail miserably.
Can you compare W01 with Lotus 2012? About the podium even Perez can do it. Romen too. And if you miss it, MS have problems every race.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:26

Not a bad result considering where he started, but still... two points doesn't do his season justice. I think it's very likely he's going to win a race this year, it's just a matter of when circumstances line up. Schumi's had some of the worst luck of anyone on the grid this season. :well:

#18769 glorius&victorius

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:28

Yeah, and Kimi say about that : returning with good car help.
http://en.espnf1.com...tory/74920.html
:rotfl:
You fail miserably.
Can you compare W01 with Lotus 2012? About the podium even Perez can do it. Romen too. And if you miss it, MS have problems every race.


His car just won the Chinese GP.. also his team mate was on the podium in the first year of Mercedes. If Michael was "Michael Schumacher" he would have been replaced already. Lets hope his luck changes soon. It hurts to see the man lingering in midfield.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:51

I echo Michael's comments. Watching the cars in Turn 1-3 was not much fun as you could SEE them having to nurse it. If you compare the driving style with a few years ago where they'd throw the car at turn 2...well, it was almost like an outlap for a quali run.

#18771 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:56

seeing Kimi on the podium in his fourth race since returning to F1... I could help to think that MS still hasn't been on the podium since his comeback.


Fail. Kimi is 10 years younger.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 18:11

I echo Michael's comments. Watching the cars in Turn 1-3 was not much fun as you could SEE them having to nurse it. If you compare the driving style with a few years ago where they'd throw the car at turn 2...well, it was almost like an outlap for a quali run.

Yupp. Drivers are no longer contesting during the first stint because their tires were hammered in qualifying and the worst they could do is push like idiots for 2 laps to then lose pace a few laps later and loosing the gained position, or worse, having to pit early and be faced with driving older tyres at the end of the race.

F1 is not a place for racers this year.

#18773 PretentiousBread

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 18:14

I echo Michael's comments. Watching the cars in Turn 1-3 was not much fun as you could SEE them having to nurse it. If you compare the driving style with a few years ago where they'd throw the car at turn 2...well, it was almost like an outlap for a quali run.


Yup, noticed a lot of short shifting through there too.

#18774 sharo

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 18:24

Having read Michael's view on the tyres I begin to worry hadn't he made a decision to call it a day and leave the farce he found himself in on his return.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 18:59

Looking at the best sector times, it's quite shocking to see Schumacher in 19th for sector 2 - and no better than 12th and 13th in sectors 1 and 2.


Dont find it shocking at all, Guess that is a good thing these days, to "pace yourself" and he was doing just that to make sure the tires last him long enough in each stint while steadily moving through the field.

#18776 ivand911

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:14

His car just won the Chinese GP.. also his team mate was on the podium in the first year of Mercedes. If Michael was "Michael Schumacher" he would have been replaced already. Lets hope his luck changes soon. It hurts to see the man lingering in midfield.

So what? There is different winer every race? Do you remember such thing happen before? Do you think Kimi will manage well undesteery car like W01 with Bridgestones? We saw how much time the team worked on his steering.


#18777 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:16

But isn't the consensus that everyone else is also pacing themselves? So how is it that only the three bottom teams and Maldonado were slower in S2?

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:18

Fail. Kimi is 10 years younger.


Indeed. I'm tired of this silly comparison between Kimi and Michael today. If there was a 32yr old Michael in that Lotus today not a slightly chubby looking 32yr old Finn then Lotus would have scored a win today not P2.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:19

But isn't the consensus that everyone else is also pacing themselves? So how is it that only the three bottom teams and Maldonado were slower in S2?


True. I think this is in part to do with Michael being in amonst traffic for most of the race and having to make his way up. That will take it out of already marginal tyres. He wasn't much behind Rosberg in the end, and other teams also struggled to get the pace you would expect. Look at Button.

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#18780 glorius&victorius

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:21

Fail. Kimi is 10 years younger.


oh so now age does matter? Michael is coming back already for 3 seasons... even Brundle is not having fun anymore seeing him fail race after race.

Edited by glorius&victorius, 22 April 2012 - 19:23.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:23

oh so now age does matter? Michael is coming back already for 3 seasons... even Brundle is not having fun anymore seeing his fail.


Even Brundle?! Oh, noes...

Let's wait for a clean weekend. It would his first this year.

#18782 jj2728

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:24

Indeed. I'm tired of this silly comparison between Kimi and Michael today. If there was a 32yr old Michael in that Lotus today not a slightly chubby looking 32yr old Finn then Lotus would have scored a win today not P2.


You're making the comparisons not others. It's only stated fact that Kimi did it in the 4th GP of his return. The rest of your statement is immature conjecture, nothing more.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:26

Ah, so glorius&victorius was not making a comparison between results of the comebacks. Good to know.

The situations between the two drivers are so comparable.

Edited by Buttoneer, 23 April 2012 - 18:53.


#18784 ivand911

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:26

Michael middle sector was not good all weekend, maybe he was really taking it easy there. To save the tyres in the corners. I also think he is not happy with the tyres and their total domination in F1. He would say something like that: I didn't come back to drive like grandma. I doubt he will continue in 2013. What is the point if you can't push everything to the limit? This is how he won his 7 WDC.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:28

Michael middle sector was not good all weekend, maybe he was really taking it easy there. To save the tyres in the corners. I also think he is not happy with the tyres and their total domination in F1. He would say something like that: I didn't come back to drive like grandma. I doubt he will continue in 2013. What is the point if you can't push everything to the limit? This is how he won his 7 WDC.



I'm sure having the best car on the grid was some help though.....

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:31

Ah, so glorius&victorius was not making a comparison between results of the comebacks. Good to know.

The situations between the two drivers are so comparable.


I have to ask, why are the situations between the 2 drivers so comparable? That they are both returning former WDCs?

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:32

I'm sure having the best car on the grid was some help though.....


That and having the team built around him.....

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:35

I have to ask, why are the situations between the 2 drivers so comparable? That they are both returning former WDCs?

What are you expecting? To tell you what MS could do if gearbox didn't fail in Aus, if RG didn't hit him in MAL, If he didn't finish in the grass in China, if his DRS didn't fail in Q1 in BAH? What exactly? How that compare to Kimi or Nico?

I'm sure having the best car on the grid was some help though.....

You don't get the point. Not surprising. Will say it slowly to understand it: In that times they all pushed the cars. This how they drive back then. And MS pushed all the time.
And he didn't win all his titles in the best teams and the best cars. You know it ,but still you want me to tell you that.

Edited by Buttoneer, 23 April 2012 - 18:54.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:38

I have to ask, why are the situations between the 2 drivers so comparable? That they are both returning former WDCs?


It isn't comparable. That's the point.

And FlashMaster correctly called glorius&victorius out on it. You stepped in saying (wrongly) that it was FlashMaster who made the comparisons.

P.S. I didn't know he had the fastest car and a handpicked team for all his 7 WDC's. You get history rewritten every day.

Edited by Buttoneer, 23 April 2012 - 18:55.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:45

Pirelli responds to Michael Schumacher's criticism of its tyres
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/99103

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:58

oh so now age does matter? Michael is coming back already for 3 seasons... even Brundle is not having fun anymore seeing him fail race after race.


Who said age wouldn't matter? Of course it does. It's impressive that a 43year old man is still able to beat most of the field.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 20:00

Pirelli responds to Michael Schumacher's criticism of its tyres
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/99103

Time to leave, Michael.
Leave the clowns do their circus.

#18793 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 20:02

Time to leave, Michael.
Leave the clowns do their circus.


Amen. And leave this Clown-team.

#18794 Massa_f1

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 20:21

seeing Kimi on the podium in his fourth race since returning to F1... I could help to think that MS still hasn't been on the podium since his comeback.



No doubt you love that fact as u hate the man, and want him to retire.

It is what it is Michael has been unlucky and could of had podiums in the 2 of the first 3 races maybe. Not to mention Canada last year.

Comparing this years Lotus with the last few Mercedes is silly. Even Kimi will tell you that.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 20:27

I'm gutted he only has 2 points after 4 races... His season is effectively over already. The Merc clearly can fight for the title yet everything has gone wrong for Michael!

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 20:36

I'm gutted he only has 2 points after 4 races... His season is effectively over already. The Merc clearly can fight for the title yet everything has gone wrong for Michael!



I am yet to be convinced Merc has made a championship challanging car. China good easy be a flash in the pan.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 20:38

Out of a potential 8 podiums in the first four races, Mercedes have scored ONE.

They have a race winning race, it just shows how badly they have squandered their potential.

You lose championship points, titles, prestige, honour and millions of dollars with clumsy mistakes like China, DRS issues in Bahrain etc.

I was looking forward to Monza, but knowing Mercedes they'll have lost their DRS advantage and find a way to cock up their race there too.

At least Nico is salvaging something from this outfit. However, it isn't a WDC winning outfit. I also don't see Schumacher resigning for 2013 unless they have a strong end to 2012.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 20:44

I think he's fed up now and thinking of walking at the end of 2012.

Well done to Merc for wasting his talents for 3 seasons straight. :mad:

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 20:45

Out of a potential 8 podiums in the first four races, Mercedes have scored ONE.

They have a race winning race, it just shows how badly they have squandered their potential.

You lose championship points, titles, prestige, honour and millions of dollars with clumsy mistakes like China, DRS issues in Bahrain etc.

I was looking forward to Monza, but knowing Mercedes they'll have lost their DRS advantage and find a way to cock up their race there too.

At least Nico is salvaging something from this outfit. However, it isn't a WDC winning outfit. I also don't see Schumacher resigning for 2013 unless they have a strong end to 2012.



No he seemed angry today and if tyres do not get better he will not resign. However full credit to him staying for 3 years. I am sure many other drivers would of left after year 1.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 20:46

Pirelli responds to Michael Schumacher's criticism of its tyres
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/99103


Well I believe M.S. has a point there. Ever since last year, it's become a tire management exercise hasn't it?