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#19351 jbarokF1

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:31

"Over 50 races back"? Really? :stoned:


...and counting! :rotfl:

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#19352 ivand911

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:32

I'll ask you the same thing...Are you an F1 fan or just a MS lover?

Did I see today's long runs??? well, it's just a free practice isn't it??

Yes, I am F1 fan and MGP fan, but I am not blind and I can see better car ,when I see one. Many F1 specialist knows that E20 is something. Nobody praise W03 like that. I am sure that MGP driver would prefer E20 if they can. And Ferrari and even McL drivers.
MGP have this DDRS, that nobody is copying.

Edited by ivand911, 11 May 2012 - 17:34.


#19353 jbarokF1

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:33

I guess you missed 2011? MS was equal and better than Nico in many races.

I guess according to you car design have nothing to do with tyre performance? What you expect ,Michael to build better car than Bell? You think Lotus car is great with tyres because of Kimi? Maybe it is because of Romen? Your are talking about 7 WDC here, not some rookie. 7WDC, something that Kimi will never be. :lol:


Now you're bringing up the 7WDCs...seems like you've given up discussing about Pirellis and W03 vs E20.

#19354 jbarokF1

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:37

Yes, I am F1 fan and MGP fan, but I am not blind and I can see better car ,when I see one. Many F1 specialist knows that E20 is something. Nobody praise W03 like that. I am sure that MGP driver would prefer E20 if they can. And Ferrari and even McL drivers.
MGP have this DDRS, that nobody is copying.


Okay..so you just confirmed that the only way MS can win or get good results is to have a really strong and fast car...like the Ferrari he had to be able to win 4 or 5 WDCs?

Edited by jbarokF1, 11 May 2012 - 17:38.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:38

Now you're bringing up the 7WDCs...seems like you've given up discussing about Pirellis and W03 vs E20.

I guess you are not following the discussion closely. There is a reason for bringing it up.

Okay..so you just confirmed that the only way MS can win or get good results is to have a really strong and fast car...like the Ferrari he had to be able to win 4 or 5 WDCs?

Yeah, you get me there. :rotfl: His all wins(92) and WDC(7) are won with the best car. Sure, if you follow F1 from 2007 and you hear only talks about Michael Schumacher.
They will prefer it because it is better car. Every driver would prefer the better car if he can. But, you know it is impossible, it is only figurative speaking.

I just wonder how you get from "I am sure that MGP driver would prefer E20 if they can. And Ferrari and even McL drivers." TO "so you just confirmed that the only way MS can win or get good results is to a really strong and fast car...like the Ferrari he had to be able to win 4 or 5 WDCs? "

How? Then you should ask the same question about Alonso, LH, Button?

Edited by ivand911, 11 May 2012 - 17:48.


#19356 Afterburner

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:38

How do they say it?, '50 is the new 40'. Anyway sorry for the error.

:lol: :up:

No worries, mate, I understand. :)

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 18:28

If Kimi can so quickly adapt after two years away what is Schumacher's problem? I think he needs to look at what he is doing on the track and perhaps adjust as the other drivers have done, even Hamilton has managed to adapt! The days of having the tires to 'scumacher' spec are long gone.


There is no evidence that Michael has failed to adapt to the tyres. He simply said that the tyres are not allowing for a type of racing that he considers more satisfying. Over everything else, Michael drives in F1 because he loves it and that's the only reason he chooses to continue to do so. He doesn't need the money or the achievements. It's not so difficult to understand why he'd have the position that he has. Vettel is aware of this POV as is quite clear in his comments but Vettel also acknowledges the equally valid world of the spectators as opposed to that of the drivers. He apparently doesn't have a problem with running a race that more favours the spectator's POV. Afterall, one can get some interest out of tyre management, balancing attack with conservatism throughout the race.

Michael clearly feels that both can be happy. Otherwise, he wouldn't be saying anything.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 18:28

I guess you missed 2011? MS was equal and better than Nico in many races.

I guess according to you car design have nothing to do with tyre performance? What you expect ,Michael to build better car than Bell? You think Lotus car is great with tyres because of Kimi? Maybe it is because of Romen? Your are talking about 7 WDC here, not some rookie. 7WDC, something that Kimi will never be. :lol:



No, rather i am saying that both the car and the driver are part of the equation. What Michael has to do is to adapt and to be successful he needs to adapt faster than the rest.

Lets see how he does on Sunday!

And on the 7wdc, I bet he would cash in a handful of those just to be on top again this his final season.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 11 May 2012 - 18:31.


#19359 jbarokF1

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 18:49

There is no evidence that Michael has failed to adapt to the tyres. He simply said that the tyres are not allowing for a type of racing that he considers more satisfying. Over everything else, Michael drives in F1 because he loves it and that's the only reason he chooses to continue to do so. He doesn't need the money or the achievements. It's not so difficult to understand why he'd have the position that he has. Vettel is aware of this POV as is quite clear in his comments but Vettel also acknowledges the equally valid world of the spectators as opposed to that of the drivers. He apparently doesn't have a problem with running a race that more favours the spectator's POV. Afterall, one can get some interest out of tyre management, balancing attack with conservatism throughout the race.

Michael clearly feels that both can be happy. Otherwise, he wouldn't be saying anything.


If he does not enjoy racing by managing the Pirellis, then maybe it's time to quit....

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#19360 ivand911

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 18:51

No, rather i am saying that both the car and the driver are part of the equation. What Michael has to do is to adapt and to be successful he needs to adapt faster than the rest.

Lets see how he does on Sunday!
And on the 7wdc, I bet he would cash in a handful of those just to be on top again this his final season.

If you say this, I guess you don't understand how 2012 tyre/car/driver combination work. His adaptation will make tyre window bigger? It depend much more from the car than the driver. Much more from tyre engineer that the driver. Lets stop with tyres here. It is tyres,tyres,tyres everywhere. On Sky commentators say that tyres are 90% of car/tyre/driver combo. Do the math.
Yeah, let see Sunday race.

If he does not enjoy racing by managing the Pirellis, then maybe it's time to quit....

Yeah, because from now on Pirelli will say what will happen in F1??? I doubt there is many drivers enjoying 2012 Pirellis. What they say in public is different thing.
LH:"It is a little bit frustrating, as you do not have as much fun in the car as you want to have."
JB: "I think our car aerodynamically is strong and mechanically it's not too bad either but sometimes it doesn't seem to click and that must be the four things that are touching the circuit."
But, I am sure you know more than drivers. And who think about their joy, it is important what viewers want. The people who don't see difference between F1 and Moto GP.

Edited by ivand911, 11 May 2012 - 19:05.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 20:59

There is no evidence that Michael has failed to adapt to the tyres. He simply said that the tyres are not allowing for a type of racing that he considers more satisfying. Over everything else, Michael drives in F1 because he loves it and that's the only reason he chooses to continue to do so. He doesn't need the money or the achievements. It's not so difficult to understand why he'd have the position that he has. Vettel is aware of this POV as is quite clear in his comments but Vettel also acknowledges the equally valid world of the spectators as opposed to that of the drivers. He apparently doesn't have a problem with running a race that more favours the spectator's POV. Afterall, one can get some interest out of tyre management, balancing attack with conservatism throughout the race.

Michael clearly feels that both can be happy. Otherwise, he wouldn't be saying anything.


I am afraid the anti-MS brigade are going to continually tail to understand what he said.....

Dont forget Jerez 97.....

#19362 zelpre

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 21:45

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related - Michael's and Nico's interview after the practice sessions today.

Q: "A lot of people were having some balance issues - understeer/oversteer. Were you experiencing that?"
Michael: "I think that is a nature of what you have in these conditions with the circumstance."


HAHA Michael didn't want to say "tyres" again, he didn't want to bring that topic up again. He cleary was pointing at the tyres again, clearly not satisfied with the 2012 tyres. He seems very frustrated because drivers can't drive on the limit because of the tyres. And I agree with him, this is not F1 which is suppose to be. And because tyres are sh!t, I think, Michael will not extend his contract, and I fully support him.

#19363 aditya-now

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 22:44

I guess you are not following the discussion closely. There is a reason for bringing it up.


Yeah, you get me there. :rotfl: His all wins(92) and WDC(7) are won with the best car.



92 is the new 91.... ;)

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 22:47

I am afraid the anti-MS brigade are going to continually tail to understand what he said.....

Dont forget Jerez 97.....


Don't forget Nürburgring 1991 ...... Jean Louis Schlesser in the Sauber-Mercedes garage:"Hit him! Hit him!"

There is a lot of nice historical evidence on which you can always fall back on....in case Michael himself is not busy providing new evidence. The racing world would be a lot emptier without MSC!


#19365 Massa_f1

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:42

Not expecting much from this race weekend. The car looks awful.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:44

Not expecting much from this race weekend. The car looks awful.


I agree, MS will not make it to Q3, he's struggling. He's slower on option tyre than drivers who were on hards.

Edited by GoRacing, 12 May 2012 - 09:46.


#19367 zelpre

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:45

WTF? Michael is slow as hell on softs on low fuel...wtf is going on again..no balance at all. another 'great' weekend i guess

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:52

Hate to say I told you so. That Merc is no race winner. If Rosberg makes a mistake like he did in 3 out of 4 qualis he won't make it far either.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:56

When MS is struggling so much with qualifying sim, why the hell is he not working on that, he's back to the usual high fuel runs at the end of FP3. MS & Mercedes won't adapt??

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:00

When MS is struggling so much with qualifying sim, why the hell is he not working on that, he's back to the usual high fuel runs at the end of FP3. MS & Mercedes won't adapt??



He will probs end up just using hards in Q1 and go out again. He will have to use softs in my opinion to get out of Q1

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:02

Huh, waiting for a good car?

Mercedes - 1 win 1 pole
Lotus - 0 win 0 pole

So what car is MS waiting for?


He's waiting on a pit crew that won't screw him out of P2. And a better car, as Australia, Malaysia, Bahrain and Spain have shown us. Lotus, on the other hand, have the best car on the grid right now.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:07

WTF? Michael is slow as hell on softs on low fuel...wtf is going on again..no balance at all. another 'great' weekend i guess

He made a simple error on his one low fuel lap on softs. His time would have been 'okay' without it most likely.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:07

Why do they have to concentrate on high fuel running??!! if they have been struggling in qualy runs! and in barcelona the qualifying is sooo important! even if they have a good pace on high fuel, teams are too close and barcelona as a track doesn't allow to pass. I HATE THIS TEAM

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:08

He made a simple error on his one low fuel lap on softs. His time would have been 'okay' without it most likely.


Yea usual oversteer mistake, which clearly confirms no balance on the car.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:15

somehow he´s fighting a lot more with the car since Shanghai.
He and the car seemed very balanced at the first two weekends and it´s pretty much gone now.
Doesn´t mean that Merc in general look very awful in here...

Edited by Urawa, 12 May 2012 - 10:16.


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:32

somehow he´s fighting a lot more with the car since Shanghai.
He and the car seemed very balanced at the first two weekends and it´s pretty much gone now.
Doesn´t mean that Merc in general look very awful in here...


Exactly. I remember perhaps Brawn saying last year that they believe most of Michael's problems are technical in nature and once they are resolved he will be on course for good results. That's how I see it as well. Over the past year (I discount 2010 as I think that Michael wasn't focused at all that season and was simply enjoying that he was back) on most weekends his car looked all over the place, not well sorted out at all and with no balance so to speak. On the other hand on the few occasions that everything looked streamlined he was easily on par with his teammate over the race distance.

It was encouraging at the start of the season to see that the balance was exactly how he wanted and he looked pacy. Now from Bahrain onwards the same story is being repeated, very ugly handling especially on qualifying day.

It could be due to the inter team rivalry, teams do shift focus especially now that Rosberg has got that crucial first win. It was quite evident last year when Nico blazed away in Abu Dhabi and Michael seemed to have no pace whereas he was looking very racy and neck and neck with Rosberg from mid season on. Nico had signed a new contract with Merc at that time and I do believe that played a very important part in his race performance that weekend.

I say lets just enjoy that Michael is on the grid. This will be his last season, I don't fancy any podiums as such. China has always been an outlier for the Merc performance wise and it is perhaps ironic that China is one of Michael's least favorite tracks.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:35

Exactly. I remember perhaps Brawn saying last year that they believe most of Michael's problems are technical in nature and once they are resolved he will be on course for good results. That's how I see it as well. Over the past year (I discount 2010 as I think that Michael wasn't focused at all that season and was simply enjoying that he was back) on most weekends his car looked all over the place, not well sorted out at all and with no balance so to speak. On the other hand on the few occasions that everything looked streamlined he was easily on par with his teammate over the race distance.

It was encouraging at the start of the season to see that the balance was exactly how he wanted and he looked pacy. Now from Bahrain onwards the same story is being repeated, very ugly handling especially on qualifying day. It could be due to the inter team rivalry, teams do shift focus especially now that Rosberg has got that crucial first win. It was quite evident last year when Nico blazed away in Abu Dhabi and Michael seemed to have no pace whereas he was looking very racy and neck and neck with Rosberg from mid season on. Nico had signed a new contract with Merc at that time and I do believe that played a very important part in his race performance that weekend.

I say lets just enjoy that Michael is on the grid. This will be his last season, I don't fancy any podiums as such. China has always been an outlier for the Merc performance wise and it is perhaps ironic that China is one of Michael's least favorite tracks.


That has gone now as you say, and i fear MS has missed his last chance of a podium in his career, because of the unlucky start to the season.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:38

Why do they have to concentrate on high fuel running??!! if they have been struggling in qualy runs! and in barcelona the qualifying is sooo important! even if they have a good pace on high fuel, teams are too close and barcelona as a track doesn't allow to pass. I HATE THIS TEAM

Maybe because they have problem with high fuel runs and not with low fuel runs?


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:43

Merc looks very bad in Barcelona. It seems that Schumacher has no realistic chance to have a good weekend. Better to be prepared... He even hasn't had a puncture or engine failure yet.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:43

The hot weather kills the Merc.

They've been chewing their tyres since 2010,wtf is going on down there?

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:52

Maybe because they have problem with high fuel runs and not with low fuel runs?


Oh so P17 with softs on low fuel, that's not a problem in qualy? You'll see in next two hours the good qualy pace haha. they will use softs to get in Q2, pathetic.

I see P12 for Michael today.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:53

No doubt again its going to be a lousy qually and worse race.

I'm really starting to hate Merc, the car is a dog and its not getting any better.

Not sure I even want to watch the race now. :(


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:23

Let's hope Michael wont extend his contract so I can finnaly stop watching this driving on raw eggs.

Edited by zelpre, 12 May 2012 - 11:24.


#19384 ivand911

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:42

Knowing Merc and MS' luck, it would be a miraculous accomplishment if Schumi makes it out of Q1 today.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:46

Yeah, I don't expect anything positive today.

#19387 zelpre

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:53

Has that new rear suspension on Michael's car any effects on his pace being off the pace compared to Nico?

Edited by zelpre, 12 May 2012 - 11:53.


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:15

That was not a bad lap on hard by michael, just 1 tenth off the pace. Let's hope for the same story on softs.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:22

MS could do without his soft tyre lap.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:23

That was not a bad lap on hard by michael, just 1 tenth off the pace. Let's hope for the same story on softs.


Merc might have split setups....Michael biased towards the hards and Nico towards the softs as the result of Q1 shows.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:23

HORRIBLE! The lap set on hards was just fast enough to get in Q2, but again luck not on Michael's side and he had to made another lap on softs, which was just a half a second faster than on hards:/. Only P11.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:24

What's his problem with the softs? He was faster than Rosberg on hards.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:25

I guess he didn't push to much, he just needed small improvement to get in Q2. I guess they could saved the hard tyres then, if they end up using soft in the end.

Edited by ivand911, 12 May 2012 - 12:27.


#19394 FlashMaster

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:36

A tenth behind Rosberg after a good S3... that's gonna be close for Q3.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:38

Looks like shit pace on softs. Bring on the race or a magic lap. :D

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:43

BRAVO SCHUMI!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:45

Wow that was CLOSE. Q3 on hards? I guess he used all of his softs.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:45

Fingers crossed for a magic lap @ Q3 from Schumi, :)

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:46

**** what's wrong with the pace on softs! damn it!

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:47

Wow that was CLOSE. Q3 on hards? I guess he used all of his softs.

He should have another set.