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#19351 jbarokF1

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 15:45

Yes, MSC has driven great this year, and his points do not account for it. Luck favors the....

Meanwhile, Lewis Hamilton has given an interesting perspective on how to deal with tires:


Interessanterweise differenziert Hamilton beim Thema Reifen: "Meinen Spaß habe ich in der Qualifikation. Das Rennen ist ein ganz anderer Wettbewerb. Da muss ich die Balance zwischen Attacke und Defensive finden. Der Schlüssel ist ganz klar, die Reifen am Leben zu halten. Ich habe damit kein Problem."

Laut Hamilton spielt der Fahrer in der Disziplin "Fahren wie auf rohen Eiern" die entscheidende Rolle. "Das Verhältnis Fahrer zum Auto und dem Setup liegt bei 60 zu 40. Natürlich fällt es mir schwer, mit einem übersteuernden Auto die Hinterreifen zu schonen. Aber der Fahrer hat einen rechten Fuß. Und der kann die Reifen am meisten zerstören."


(Taken from AMuS http://www.auto-moto...n-4918305.html)


Lewis Hamilton: "I have my fun in qualifying. The race is an altogether different competition. There I must find a balance between attack and defense. The key is quite clear, to keep the tires alive. I have no problem with that."....
"The relationship between driver to car and to set up is at 60 to 40. Of course it is difficult to preserve the rear tires with an oversteering car. But the driver has a right foot. And it can destroy the tire the most."

Interesting, I would say - hotshot Lewis has wisened up, while Michael still laments. Yes, it is the right foot of the driver that in the end destroys the tire or keeps it alive. For that matter, please also have a look into the "Windsor on Villeneuve" thread, where Mark Hughes brings up interesting points about preserving tires while still driving as hot as Villeneuve did.

Schumacher obviously is not in agreement, he wants tires tailored to his needs, as he was used to for many years.



Hamilton is right...drivers wanted challenge so I think preserving the pirellis and understanding how you can make them work to your advantage is the key. The last few years, we are complaining because cars have been designed in such a way that the driver does not to do anything else but to drive them as fast as they could..not it's different and driver is now putting more input when driving and not just drive fast.

For me, this is a lot more interesting than before...forget about processional races..faster drivers stuck behind slower car and can not do anything to get pass..quali position almost always determine race results..and drivers with the fastest car is almost guaranteed to get pole and win.....

Edited by jbarokF1, 11 May 2012 - 15:53.


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#19352 jbarokF1

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 15:52

So he's not allowed to say what he would like? Why not? He's not trying to make the rules, he made a comment which he's perfectly entitled to make that you've taken as "lamenting" when all he said was the tyres don't allow you to push as hard as you could with more durable tyres, which is a fact.

"I don't agree that Michael has continually criticised Pirelli. Michael said one thing and what has been written in the press has maybe exaggerated what he said." - Fernando Alonso


Come on...we are not stupid to believe that he's just simply voicing out his opinion..there is nothing wrong with that but there's no question that it's not only an opinion..it's clear that he wants the tyres to be changed. Otherwise, he would have expressed his opinion against the tyres and just get on with them like what other drivers are doing.

I think drivers like Button, etc did express some opinion about the tyres but they were not adamant about changing the tyres.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 15:59

There's no need to say 'LOL that's not what he said', if you actually listen to the PC you'll see fernando's accent makes it very difficult to tell if he says 'I read' or 'I agree', though from my spanish speaking experience it sounds as if he does say 'agree' (minimalistic pronunciation of the 'a').

Either way, it's very clear the teams and drivers have been told what they can and can't say. Remember Pirelli only agreed to make these tyres on the basis that they would never be criticised.


Personally, I think the LOL was quite appropriate.

Not necessarily at the post I quoted but at the 'linguistic gymnastics' that are being performed in this thread to paint a picture whereby every statement made by anyone is somehow interpreted as a) agreeing with what Schumacher said or b) being afraid of saying that they agree with Schumacher.

Your last sentence is a direct contradiction, is it not? Or is it just a case of Schumacher being 'brave' enough to say something other than he has been told?


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 16:03

Aditya-now, you were doing pretty well until you had to go in on the very last line and spoil it!

Tell me, where has MS told Pirelli he wants tires specced to HIS specific requirements?

He hasn't has he? So you just posted that line to have a bash at him.

It's a spec tire series, if Pirelli produce tires that can be "raced hard' for 15 laps, it WILL be the same for all drivers, depending upon their skill & their car. THAT is the crux of what MS said he wants them to do and it's a light year away from what you consistently & incorrectly would like people here to believe.


When you are adamant in changing the tyres when everybody else do not really have problems with them..then you are asking for something that only you will benefit from.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 16:05

I really don't like when people come here, not knowing what they are talking about.
About Kimi, MS never had such good car as Lotus 2012. Also Kimi said , it is easier when you come back with good car.
http://en.espnf1.com...tory/74920.html
But, this guys still come here talking BS. I would love to see Kimi in W01, then we could talk. Now the rookie is almost as good as Kimi in E20.


Still threatened by Kimis good comeback i see. You said it wasnt the case, but you`re posts tell a different story. MS is doing really well for 43 year old and all his fans should be proud. WDC was never going to be possible.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 16:26

When you are adamant in changing the tyres when everybody else do not really have problems with them..then you are asking for something that only you will benefit from.

Sorry I think I've missed something, was there another comment made today or something about this?

Otherwise, he would have expressed his opinion against the tyres and just get on with them like what other drivers are doing.

Well that's what he's doing surely? He's made a comment about them not allowing a driver to push 100% but he's not refusing to drive on them or anything silly.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 16:40

Still threatened by Kimis good comeback i see. You said it wasnt the case, but you`re posts tell a different story. MS is doing really well for 43 year old and all his fans should be proud. WDC was never going to be possible.

No, it was answer to another poster as you can see. Nobody can deny that E20 is very good car. Michael is still waiting to drive such a good car since his return.

If Kimi can so quickly adapt after two years away what is Schumacher's problem? I think he needs to look at what he is doing on the track and perhaps adjust as the other drivers have done, even Hamilton has managed to adapt! The days of having the tires to 'scumacher' spec are long gone.

You still don't get it, don't you. He didn't adapt to the tyres, his car is adapted to them. This is why tyres are fine for him. See today long stints. W03(this is Merc car this year) is not good with tyres, everyone know that. As I said Grosjean have to be as good as Kimi because he is adapting as good as him. Michael is adapting better than Nico in 2012. And Nico have many more seasons than RG. Also how old is Kimi? He for sure didn't enter F1 in 1991. But, I am sure with equal car he can fight Kimi. No problem.

Edited by ivand911, 11 May 2012 - 17:01.


#19358 aditya-now

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:01

Sorry I think I've missed something, was there another comment made today or something about this?


Well that's what he's doing surely? He's made a comment about them not allowing a driver to push 100% but he's not refusing to drive on them or anything silly.


Yes, you obviously missed something:

According to AMuS, Michael renewed his criticism today at Barcelona http://www.auto-moto...en-4918305.html

Michael said that he wanted to heat up the discussion on tires ("die Diskussion anschieben"). That was the third time in a row that Michael chose to focus on tires.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:02

Yes, you obviously missed something:

According to AMuS, Michael renewed his criticism today at Barcelona http://www.auto-moto...en-4918305.html

Michael said that he wanted to heat up the discussion on tires ("die Diskussion anschieben"). That was the third time in a row that Michael chose to focus on tires.

Lets not turn this into Pirelli thread. Start such if you want.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:02

No, it was answer to another poster as you can see. Nobody can deny that E20 is very good car. Michael is still waiting to drive such a good car since his return.


Huh, waiting for a good car?

Mercedes - 1 win 1 pole
Lotus - 0 win 0 pole

So what car is MS waiting for?

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:08

Huh, waiting for a good car?

Mercedes - 1 win 1 pole
Lotus - 0 win 0 pole

So what car is MS waiting for?

Lets not forget Ferrari? One lucky win doesn't make car good. Even Sauber almost won. Will you bet on Lotus win or MGP win on Sunday?

Edited by ivand911, 11 May 2012 - 17:09.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:12

Lets not forget Ferrari? One lucky win doesn't make car good. Even Sauber almost won. Will you bet on Lotus win or MGP win on Sunday?


So why did you conclude that E20 is a very good car and Mercedes is not?
When you can also say (by your analogy), Lotus' 2nd and 3rd in Bahrain does not make E20 a good car too..

It does not mean that if your favourite driver is not winning or not getting good results, the car is not good enough. Rosberg was able to get a pole and a win in a car that you consider is not a good car.

Edited by jbarokF1, 11 May 2012 - 17:15.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:17

Check front page of Autosport; in numerous articles drivers do dance around “challenging” tires. I think Michel perhaps had a point after all.

Edited by Sakae, 11 May 2012 - 17:18.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:17

So why did you conclude that E20 is a very good car and Mercedes is not?
When you can also say (by your analogy), Lotus' 2nd and 3rd in Bahrain does not make E20 a good car too..

Maybe because Lotus were better car in the majority of the races(bigger operating window), where W03 in only one. That is why? Is it so hard? Did you see today long runs?
Lets see if Rosberg will win again this year? If not? Are you F1 fan or just MS hater? You should be able to see which car is better.
My driver can't get good result with 3 tyres. Or without gearbox. Still the pace is very telling.

Edited by ivand911, 11 May 2012 - 17:21.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:19

No, it was answer to another poster as you can see. Nobody can deny that E20 is very good car. Michael is still waiting to drive such a good car since his return.


You still don't get it, don't you. He didn't adapt to the tyres, his car is adapted to them. This is why tyres are fine for him. See today long stints. W03(this is Merc car this year) is not good with tyres, everyone know that. As I said Grosjean have to be as good as Kimi because he is adapting as good as him. Michael is adapting better than Nico in 2012. And Nico have many more seasons than RG. Also how old is Kimi? He for sure didn't enter F1 in 1991. But, I am sure with equal car he can fight Kimi. No problem.



Even if he were driving 'such a good car' he would still have to beat his teammate which he hasn't proven in over 40 races back that he can.

You seem to think that it is entirely an issue with the car but I don't think it is so clear cut. The driver is a big part of the performance equation and especially so with a great like Schumacher who commands a big salary to do just that - maximize the on track performance. If the car is not fully adapted as you say then it is up to a driver such as Schumacher to adapt even more, that is what the team would expect. Do you think the team is perhaps squeezing MS to do just that and now Schumi is squirming and complaining to the press??

Also keep in mind that Rosberg won a race with that car with Pirelli's bolted on so they can't be that bad.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 11 May 2012 - 17:29.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:23

Even if he were driving 'such a good car' he would still have to beat his teammate which he hasn't proven in over 50 races back that he can.

"Over 50 races back"? Really? :stoned:

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:28

Even if he were driving 'such a good car' he would still have to beat his teammate which he hasn't proven in over 50 races back that he can.

You seem to think that it is entirely an issue with the car but I don't think it is so clear cut. The driver is a big part of the performance equation and especially so with a great like Schumacher who commands a big salary to do just that - maximize the on track performance. If the car is not fully adapted as you say then it is up to a driver such as Schumacher to adapt even more, that is what the team would expect. Do you think the team is perhaps squeezing MS to do just that and now Schumi is squirming and complaining to the press??

Also keep in mind that Rosberg won a race with that car with Pirelli's bolted on so they can't be that bad.

I guess you missed 2011? MS was equal and better than Nico in many races.

I guess according to you car design have nothing to do with tyre performance? What you expect ,Michael to build better car than Bell? You think Lotus car is great with tyres because of Kimi? Maybe it is because of Romen? Your are talking about 7 WDC here, not some rookie. 7WDC, something that Kimi will never be. :lol:


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:28

Maybe because Lotus were better car in the majority of the races(bigger operating window), where W03 in only one. That is why? Is it so hard? Did you see today long runs?
Lets see if Rosberg will win again this year? If not? Are you F1 fan or just MS hater? You should be able to see which car is better.
My driver can't get good result with 3 tyres. Or without gearbox. Still the pace is very telling.


I'll ask you the same thing...Are you an F1 fan or just a MS lover?

Did I see today's long runs??? well, it's just a free practice isn't it??

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:29

"Over 50 races back"? Really? :stoned:


How do they say it?, '50 is the new 40'. Anyway sorry for the error.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:31

"Over 50 races back"? Really? :stoned:


...and counting! :rotfl:

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:32

I'll ask you the same thing...Are you an F1 fan or just a MS lover?

Did I see today's long runs??? well, it's just a free practice isn't it??

Yes, I am F1 fan and MGP fan, but I am not blind and I can see better car ,when I see one. Many F1 specialist knows that E20 is something. Nobody praise W03 like that. I am sure that MGP driver would prefer E20 if they can. And Ferrari and even McL drivers.
MGP have this DDRS, that nobody is copying.

Edited by ivand911, 11 May 2012 - 17:34.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:33

I guess you missed 2011? MS was equal and better than Nico in many races.

I guess according to you car design have nothing to do with tyre performance? What you expect ,Michael to build better car than Bell? You think Lotus car is great with tyres because of Kimi? Maybe it is because of Romen? Your are talking about 7 WDC here, not some rookie. 7WDC, something that Kimi will never be. :lol:


Now you're bringing up the 7WDCs...seems like you've given up discussing about Pirellis and W03 vs E20.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:37

Yes, I am F1 fan and MGP fan, but I am not blind and I can see better car ,when I see one. Many F1 specialist knows that E20 is something. Nobody praise W03 like that. I am sure that MGP driver would prefer E20 if they can. And Ferrari and even McL drivers.
MGP have this DDRS, that nobody is copying.


Okay..so you just confirmed that the only way MS can win or get good results is to have a really strong and fast car...like the Ferrari he had to be able to win 4 or 5 WDCs?

Edited by jbarokF1, 11 May 2012 - 17:38.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:38

Now you're bringing up the 7WDCs...seems like you've given up discussing about Pirellis and W03 vs E20.

I guess you are not following the discussion closely. There is a reason for bringing it up.

Okay..so you just confirmed that the only way MS can win or get good results is to have a really strong and fast car...like the Ferrari he had to be able to win 4 or 5 WDCs?

Yeah, you get me there. :rotfl: His all wins(92) and WDC(7) are won with the best car. Sure, if you follow F1 from 2007 and you hear only talks about Michael Schumacher.
They will prefer it because it is better car. Every driver would prefer the better car if he can. But, you know it is impossible, it is only figurative speaking.

I just wonder how you get from "I am sure that MGP driver would prefer E20 if they can. And Ferrari and even McL drivers." TO "so you just confirmed that the only way MS can win or get good results is to a really strong and fast car...like the Ferrari he had to be able to win 4 or 5 WDCs? "

How? Then you should ask the same question about Alonso, LH, Button?

Edited by ivand911, 11 May 2012 - 17:48.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 17:38

How do they say it?, '50 is the new 40'. Anyway sorry for the error.

:lol: :up:

No worries, mate, I understand. :)

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 18:28

If Kimi can so quickly adapt after two years away what is Schumacher's problem? I think he needs to look at what he is doing on the track and perhaps adjust as the other drivers have done, even Hamilton has managed to adapt! The days of having the tires to 'scumacher' spec are long gone.


There is no evidence that Michael has failed to adapt to the tyres. He simply said that the tyres are not allowing for a type of racing that he considers more satisfying. Over everything else, Michael drives in F1 because he loves it and that's the only reason he chooses to continue to do so. He doesn't need the money or the achievements. It's not so difficult to understand why he'd have the position that he has. Vettel is aware of this POV as is quite clear in his comments but Vettel also acknowledges the equally valid world of the spectators as opposed to that of the drivers. He apparently doesn't have a problem with running a race that more favours the spectator's POV. Afterall, one can get some interest out of tyre management, balancing attack with conservatism throughout the race.

Michael clearly feels that both can be happy. Otherwise, he wouldn't be saying anything.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 18:28

I guess you missed 2011? MS was equal and better than Nico in many races.

I guess according to you car design have nothing to do with tyre performance? What you expect ,Michael to build better car than Bell? You think Lotus car is great with tyres because of Kimi? Maybe it is because of Romen? Your are talking about 7 WDC here, not some rookie. 7WDC, something that Kimi will never be. :lol:



No, rather i am saying that both the car and the driver are part of the equation. What Michael has to do is to adapt and to be successful he needs to adapt faster than the rest.

Lets see how he does on Sunday!

And on the 7wdc, I bet he would cash in a handful of those just to be on top again this his final season.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 11 May 2012 - 18:31.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 18:49

There is no evidence that Michael has failed to adapt to the tyres. He simply said that the tyres are not allowing for a type of racing that he considers more satisfying. Over everything else, Michael drives in F1 because he loves it and that's the only reason he chooses to continue to do so. He doesn't need the money or the achievements. It's not so difficult to understand why he'd have the position that he has. Vettel is aware of this POV as is quite clear in his comments but Vettel also acknowledges the equally valid world of the spectators as opposed to that of the drivers. He apparently doesn't have a problem with running a race that more favours the spectator's POV. Afterall, one can get some interest out of tyre management, balancing attack with conservatism throughout the race.

Michael clearly feels that both can be happy. Otherwise, he wouldn't be saying anything.


If he does not enjoy racing by managing the Pirellis, then maybe it's time to quit....

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 18:51

No, rather i am saying that both the car and the driver are part of the equation. What Michael has to do is to adapt and to be successful he needs to adapt faster than the rest.

Lets see how he does on Sunday!
And on the 7wdc, I bet he would cash in a handful of those just to be on top again this his final season.

If you say this, I guess you don't understand how 2012 tyre/car/driver combination work. His adaptation will make tyre window bigger? It depend much more from the car than the driver. Much more from tyre engineer that the driver. Lets stop with tyres here. It is tyres,tyres,tyres everywhere. On Sky commentators say that tyres are 90% of car/tyre/driver combo. Do the math.
Yeah, let see Sunday race.

If he does not enjoy racing by managing the Pirellis, then maybe it's time to quit....

Yeah, because from now on Pirelli will say what will happen in F1??? I doubt there is many drivers enjoying 2012 Pirellis. What they say in public is different thing.
LH:"It is a little bit frustrating, as you do not have as much fun in the car as you want to have."
JB: "I think our car aerodynamically is strong and mechanically it's not too bad either but sometimes it doesn't seem to click and that must be the four things that are touching the circuit."
But, I am sure you know more than drivers. And who think about their joy, it is important what viewers want. The people who don't see difference between F1 and Moto GP.

Edited by ivand911, 11 May 2012 - 19:05.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 20:59

There is no evidence that Michael has failed to adapt to the tyres. He simply said that the tyres are not allowing for a type of racing that he considers more satisfying. Over everything else, Michael drives in F1 because he loves it and that's the only reason he chooses to continue to do so. He doesn't need the money or the achievements. It's not so difficult to understand why he'd have the position that he has. Vettel is aware of this POV as is quite clear in his comments but Vettel also acknowledges the equally valid world of the spectators as opposed to that of the drivers. He apparently doesn't have a problem with running a race that more favours the spectator's POV. Afterall, one can get some interest out of tyre management, balancing attack with conservatism throughout the race.

Michael clearly feels that both can be happy. Otherwise, he wouldn't be saying anything.


I am afraid the anti-MS brigade are going to continually tail to understand what he said.....

Dont forget Jerez 97.....

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 21:45

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related - Michael's and Nico's interview after the practice sessions today.

Q: "A lot of people were having some balance issues - understeer/oversteer. Were you experiencing that?"
Michael: "I think that is a nature of what you have in these conditions with the circumstance."


HAHA Michael didn't want to say "tyres" again, he didn't want to bring that topic up again. He cleary was pointing at the tyres again, clearly not satisfied with the 2012 tyres. He seems very frustrated because drivers can't drive on the limit because of the tyres. And I agree with him, this is not F1 which is suppose to be. And because tyres are sh!t, I think, Michael will not extend his contract, and I fully support him.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 22:44

I guess you are not following the discussion closely. There is a reason for bringing it up.


Yeah, you get me there. :rotfl: His all wins(92) and WDC(7) are won with the best car.



92 is the new 91.... ;)

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 22:47

I am afraid the anti-MS brigade are going to continually tail to understand what he said.....

Dont forget Jerez 97.....


Don't forget Nürburgring 1991 ...... Jean Louis Schlesser in the Sauber-Mercedes garage:"Hit him! Hit him!"

There is a lot of nice historical evidence on which you can always fall back on....in case Michael himself is not busy providing new evidence. The racing world would be a lot emptier without MSC!


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:42

Not expecting much from this race weekend. The car looks awful.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:44

Not expecting much from this race weekend. The car looks awful.


I agree, MS will not make it to Q3, he's struggling. He's slower on option tyre than drivers who were on hards.

Edited by GoRacing, 12 May 2012 - 09:46.


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:45

WTF? Michael is slow as hell on softs on low fuel...wtf is going on again..no balance at all. another 'great' weekend i guess

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:52

Hate to say I told you so. That Merc is no race winner. If Rosberg makes a mistake like he did in 3 out of 4 qualis he won't make it far either.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:56

When MS is struggling so much with qualifying sim, why the hell is he not working on that, he's back to the usual high fuel runs at the end of FP3. MS & Mercedes won't adapt??

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:00

When MS is struggling so much with qualifying sim, why the hell is he not working on that, he's back to the usual high fuel runs at the end of FP3. MS & Mercedes won't adapt??



He will probs end up just using hards in Q1 and go out again. He will have to use softs in my opinion to get out of Q1

#19390 Pamphlet

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:02

Huh, waiting for a good car?

Mercedes - 1 win 1 pole
Lotus - 0 win 0 pole

So what car is MS waiting for?


He's waiting on a pit crew that won't screw him out of P2. And a better car, as Australia, Malaysia, Bahrain and Spain have shown us. Lotus, on the other hand, have the best car on the grid right now.

#19391 baddog

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:07

WTF? Michael is slow as hell on softs on low fuel...wtf is going on again..no balance at all. another 'great' weekend i guess

He made a simple error on his one low fuel lap on softs. His time would have been 'okay' without it most likely.

#19392 zelpre

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:07

Why do they have to concentrate on high fuel running??!! if they have been struggling in qualy runs! and in barcelona the qualifying is sooo important! even if they have a good pace on high fuel, teams are too close and barcelona as a track doesn't allow to pass. I HATE THIS TEAM

#19393 zelpre

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:08

He made a simple error on his one low fuel lap on softs. His time would have been 'okay' without it most likely.


Yea usual oversteer mistake, which clearly confirms no balance on the car.

#19394 Urawa

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:15

somehow he´s fighting a lot more with the car since Shanghai.
He and the car seemed very balanced at the first two weekends and it´s pretty much gone now.
Doesn´t mean that Merc in general look very awful in here...

Edited by Urawa, 12 May 2012 - 10:16.


#19395 Atonal

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:32

somehow he´s fighting a lot more with the car since Shanghai.
He and the car seemed very balanced at the first two weekends and it´s pretty much gone now.
Doesn´t mean that Merc in general look very awful in here...


Exactly. I remember perhaps Brawn saying last year that they believe most of Michael's problems are technical in nature and once they are resolved he will be on course for good results. That's how I see it as well. Over the past year (I discount 2010 as I think that Michael wasn't focused at all that season and was simply enjoying that he was back) on most weekends his car looked all over the place, not well sorted out at all and with no balance so to speak. On the other hand on the few occasions that everything looked streamlined he was easily on par with his teammate over the race distance.

It was encouraging at the start of the season to see that the balance was exactly how he wanted and he looked pacy. Now from Bahrain onwards the same story is being repeated, very ugly handling especially on qualifying day.

It could be due to the inter team rivalry, teams do shift focus especially now that Rosberg has got that crucial first win. It was quite evident last year when Nico blazed away in Abu Dhabi and Michael seemed to have no pace whereas he was looking very racy and neck and neck with Rosberg from mid season on. Nico had signed a new contract with Merc at that time and I do believe that played a very important part in his race performance that weekend.

I say lets just enjoy that Michael is on the grid. This will be his last season, I don't fancy any podiums as such. China has always been an outlier for the Merc performance wise and it is perhaps ironic that China is one of Michael's least favorite tracks.

#19396 Massa_f1

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:35

Exactly. I remember perhaps Brawn saying last year that they believe most of Michael's problems are technical in nature and once they are resolved he will be on course for good results. That's how I see it as well. Over the past year (I discount 2010 as I think that Michael wasn't focused at all that season and was simply enjoying that he was back) on most weekends his car looked all over the place, not well sorted out at all and with no balance so to speak. On the other hand on the few occasions that everything looked streamlined he was easily on par with his teammate over the race distance.

It was encouraging at the start of the season to see that the balance was exactly how he wanted and he looked pacy. Now from Bahrain onwards the same story is being repeated, very ugly handling especially on qualifying day. It could be due to the inter team rivalry, teams do shift focus especially now that Rosberg has got that crucial first win. It was quite evident last year when Nico blazed away in Abu Dhabi and Michael seemed to have no pace whereas he was looking very racy and neck and neck with Rosberg from mid season on. Nico had signed a new contract with Merc at that time and I do believe that played a very important part in his race performance that weekend.

I say lets just enjoy that Michael is on the grid. This will be his last season, I don't fancy any podiums as such. China has always been an outlier for the Merc performance wise and it is perhaps ironic that China is one of Michael's least favorite tracks.


That has gone now as you say, and i fear MS has missed his last chance of a podium in his career, because of the unlucky start to the season.

#19397 ivand911

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:38

Why do they have to concentrate on high fuel running??!! if they have been struggling in qualy runs! and in barcelona the qualifying is sooo important! even if they have a good pace on high fuel, teams are too close and barcelona as a track doesn't allow to pass. I HATE THIS TEAM

Maybe because they have problem with high fuel runs and not with low fuel runs?


#19398 weston

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:43

Merc looks very bad in Barcelona. It seems that Schumacher has no realistic chance to have a good weekend. Better to be prepared... He even hasn't had a puncture or engine failure yet.

#19399 smoothcrim

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:43

The hot weather kills the Merc.

They've been chewing their tyres since 2010,wtf is going on down there?

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:52

Maybe because they have problem with high fuel runs and not with low fuel runs?


Oh so P17 with softs on low fuel, that's not a problem in qualy? You'll see in next two hours the good qualy pace haha. they will use softs to get in Q2, pathetic.

I see P12 for Michael today.