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#19551 SeanValen

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:01

Sadly I think with him retiring. Unfortunately, he's cost the team a lot of points and finishes last season and is well on his way of doing the same again this season. I hoped and really thought he would have got it together this year. I don't understand why he mentally isn't in it .. If there was one guy who I thought could even though he has nothing left to prove.. it was him but it definitely seems he's on his back foot now.


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Overall the team has failed him more this season so far, this is the first actual racing incident of the season, and your mixing it with the pitstop wheel nut issue of Sepang, the merchanical DNF of Australia, the DRS failure of the wing in qualifying 1 at Bahrain was it, sent MS to the back of the grid.

But you go right ahead and pretend he's had a racing inciident every race of his life. :lol: :smoking:




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#19552 Goron3

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:05

Heh, Schumacher gets some of his own medicine. Senna changed his line once and then returned to racing line. 100% legal.


3 moves, 1 of which is in the braking zone...you deem that legal? The fact that you show some bias in your first sentence inherently makes your post pointless.

But yes, it was avoidable and Michael should have handled it better but Senna really does lack race craft and he'll most likely be punished. His interview during the race showed he realised he can't really defend himself.

#19553 libano

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:07

Hmm. After this video I say 100% Senna'a fault...


exactly. now that i see it it's crystal clear.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:08

Yeah, I was wrong this time. 100% Bruno's fault.

#19555 aditya-now

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:10

5 races, 2 points.

Worse than 2010 or 2011!


Michael's season starts to look more and more like the lack lustre last season of David Coulthard. I am not judging if it's pure bad luck or something else - it just looks like his career is running out of steam.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:11

The crash was avoidable. For me it's Schumacher's fault.
B. Senna is not F1 material.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:11

This is it. I'm done with F1, this is sh!t.


Adios and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. It's always funny to see the fair weather fans bail. Schumacher screwed the pooch on this one big time.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:12

MSC could have avoided this with a bit of patience. Such a good race up to that point, a shame.



It was the opportunity to overtake especially with DRS too. If Senna hadn't been weaving Schumacher would have easily gone round the outside... so while you can claim patience would have been the key there, there was no need for patience. Schumacher had the move set up, he was set to brake later too, Senna weaved to close the door... Schumacher thought he'd have nowhere to go so he went to the right, but Senna braked even earlier and boom, that was the result.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:12

Michael's season starts to look more and more like the lack lustre last season of David Coulthard. I am not judging if it's pure bad luck or something else - it just looks like his career is running out of steam.

How many times you gonna post one and the same? We all know your opinion Mr Nowotny.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:15

Lets see what stewards will say. We saw what happen with Nico, so MS was at best 9th-10th or out of top10. Car have no pace. As I was been saying Williams is better that MGP.

Edited by ivand911, 13 May 2012 - 14:16.


#19561 Paco

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:19

sharo. Aditya-now is just stating again after another race that Shumi is still providing evidence to back his opinion. Yeah, broken record but the fat lady does seem to be signing quite loudly lately.

Edited by Paco, 13 May 2012 - 14:20.


#19562 Massa_f1

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:19

Can any of you other fellow Schumacher fans give me one good reason for him to continue? Been a fan of his since near the start of his f1 career and i can see not a single reason for him to continue.
Maybe am just a fan who has lost faith, but i can't see anything good coming out of this season.

I am very sad at this season. Worst ever in most likley his last season ever. Not the way i wanted him to go out.

Brazil 06 should of stayed his last race. :(

#19563 SeanValen

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:20

It was the opportunity to overtake especially with DRS too. If Senna hadn't been weaving Schumacher would have easily gone round the outside... so while you can claim patience would have been the key there, there was no need for patience. Schumacher had the move set up, he was set to brake later too, Senna weaved to close the door... Schumacher thought he'd have nowhere to go so he went to the right, but Senna braked even earlier and boom, that was the result.



100% the way I see it.

When you got someone like Bruno who clearly is now in a competitive car, there is nowhere to hide, his whole weekend/quali/race just a a driver who isn't meant to be there, anyohe who saw Brazil 2011, and saw the seeds of pressure/errors from Bruno in spain qualifying, should of placed a bet that a hard charging schumacher wasn't going to get by a driver who can't really race in these cars. And that's essentially Schumacher's frustration, he's been done twice by Bruno and it hasn't even been a full year between incidents

There' s a reason Schumacher and Hamilton went wheel to wheel without crashing at Monza 2011, they know the game, Alonso does, Vettel does, Kimi does. You can race with actual racers.

This was a difficult weekend for Mercedes, essentially qualifying high would of gotten them out of this midpack trouble, being in the midpack on a track like spain is no good. This is the first race perhaps where Mercedes hasn't looked great in qualifying and that essenitally played a part. Bruno is going to be a problem for other drivers if the williams stays competitive.


Edited by SeanValen, 13 May 2012 - 14:23.


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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:22

So frustrating to see Michael only have 2 points with such a good car. Partly due to him, partly due to bad luck. His season is over as a title contender before it has even begun.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:24

Calling for Schumacher to retire is silly.

He has been dreadfully unlucky so far this season. This is only the 5th race though. You guys are such Damon Hills, calling retire retire after every disappointing result.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:27

There was nothing wrong with him this season, even today is debatable. He needs that ****ing podium, which will hopefully stop the current streak.
This would surely give him a huge boost and could be the turnaround.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:27

I'd hardly say that his lack of points has a lot to do with his (lack) of quality. Even today's accident, while perhaps avoidable from in front of the TV, was anything but an example of wrong place, wrong time.

Regarding Massa_f1's question, I think my main regret is that he ended up at such a lackluster team. I'm not without hope and the season is long, but I'm not excited any more, that's for sure. We'll see if there will be any reason for him to continue as we progress through the year - clearly, now there is next to none, bar those promising qualifying sessions in the first few races.


#19568 spacekid

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:27

Can any of you other fellow Schumacher fans give me one good reason for him to continue? Been a fan of his since near the start of his f1 career and i can see not a single reason for him to continue.
Maybe am just a fan who has lost faith, but i can't see anything good coming out of this season.

I am very sad at this season. Worst ever in most likley his last season ever. Not the way i wanted him to go out.

Brazil 06 should of stayed his last race. :(


I can give you several, Brazil '06 being one. Or Monaco '06 (race), Spain '94, Hunary '98, Jerez '97 too unfortunately...

He's always been a fighter and never, ever wants to give up. He has lost some of his speed, but can still have good races.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:32

It was the opportunity to overtake especially with DRS too. If Senna hadn't been weaving Schumacher would have easily gone round the outside... so while you can claim patience would have been the key there, there was no need for patience. Schumacher had the move set up, he was set to brake later too, Senna weaved to close the door... Schumacher thought he'd have nowhere to go so he went to the right, but Senna braked even earlier and boom, that was the result.


i already revised my opinion after seeing that youtube clip. great passing opportunity gone tits up by a chain of unfortunate decisions. i think bruno was trying to get out of the way more than anything else. in any event, there should be no penalties for monaco for either driver.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:33

So frustrating to see Michael only have 2 points with such a good car. Partly due to him, partly due to bad luck. His season is over as a title contender before it has even begun.

Explain good car? The car I see have no pace? Nico was around 0,7-1 sec slower on average.


#19571 SeanValen

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:34

Calling for Schumacher to retire is silly.

He has been dreadfully unlucky so far this season. This is only the 5th race though. You guys are such Damon Hills, calling retire retire after every disappointing result.


:up:
I agree.

It's one of those things that you just have to see the season play out. Williams win this race, Mecedes doesn't look like the car in China- a race where MS was robbed of a podium at least due to a pitstop error, and some teams as MS pointed out have moved forward since testing.

This season is wide in terms of everyone maybe doing well, 5 winners from 5 different teams, no one is dominating yet.



#19572 Massa_f1

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:34

I can give you several, Brazil '06 being one. Or Monaco '06 (race), Spain '94, Hunary '98, Jerez '97 too unfortunately...

He's always been a fighter and never, ever wants to give up. He has lost some of his speed, but can still have good races.



You list races from a different era. You will not get drives like that anymore from him or any other driver.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:35

I m going mental watching trouble in every now :((((( .. with this bad luck your are just F**ked!!!!!!

Edited by z2z, 13 May 2012 - 14:35.


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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:41

I would be lying if I don't admit that Schumacher's performances are soiling my weekends :)
Anyways this is racing, these things happen. I would call the incident 50-50, poor judgement by both drivers.

I think Michael could have had a better race than his teammate. As I said earlier his pace on the hards was much better and I was fearing that he would be murdered on the softs. But he was holding up pretty well with Rosberg in his first stint. Going out again on softs seemed strange but the team probably knew better.
Lets move on then, Monaco with a possible penalty could be another tough one.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:41

Michael Schumacher has launched a scathing attack on Bruno Senna after an accident put both drivers out of the Spanish Grand Prix.

Senna was struggling for pace on worn tyres, when the Mercedes driver ran into the back of the Williams in the braking zone of Turn One.

The incident put the German out instantly, whilst the Brazilian retired further around the lap, having been unable to nurse the damaged car back to the pits.

Schumacher was heard shouting "idiot" on the team radio and confirmed to Sky Sports F1 HD that the comment was aimed at Senna.

"Yes, you guess right," he said.

"I want the stewards to clarify what happened. He moved to the right, but he shouldn't move back in the braking phase to the left that sharply. I'm just behind him and I don't know how sharply he is going to move. So it was all very dangerous."

Bruno and Schumacher have 'history', as they say, after colliding in Brazil last season the German is clearly no fan of the Williams driver.

"We had a chance of good points today so it is doubly frustrating. I have to say I don't know what he was trying to prove but in Brazil last year he was driving into my car and today he was doing funny things.

"A lap before he had an accident together with Grosjean so I don't know what he was going through his mind."

http://www1.skysport...er-blasts-Senna
damn! another promising race gone down the drain. :|

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:42

You list races from a different era. You will not get drives like that anymore from him or any other driver.


I'm not saying you will. But it defines the temprement of the man.

He'll be mighty pissed off at what has happened this year, but he won't give up. He'll keep trying right until the very very end. Thats the attitude that has given him so many victories and sometimes driven him to go to far, but even if he loses a bit of pace that fundamental quality of him won't change.

There are still chances for success this year, and Michael is a man who will never let his chin drop or give up. And he isn't driving badly this year.

My only criticism is on strategy. I would have loved to seen him go out and set the fastest time he could in Q3 yesterday. I really liked the way Lewis went for it, and want to see that from Michael too. It might cost a few seconds in the race having put an extra couple of laps on a set of tyres, but I think a few places up the grid is always worth that to gain track position, avoid field spread and keep away from accidents and being dropped deep into the pack after a stop.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:44

So frustrating to see Michael only have 2 points with such a good car. Partly due to him, partly due to bad luck. His season is over as a title contender before it has even begun.

They don't have a title contender car.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:44

100% the way I see it.

When you got someone like Bruno who clearly is now in a competitive car, there is nowhere to hide, his whole weekend/quali/race just a a driver who isn't meant to be there, anyohe who saw Brazil 2011, and saw the seeds of pressure/errors from Bruno in spain qualifying, should of placed a bet that a hard charging schumacher wasn't going to get by a driver who can't really race in these cars. And that's essentially Schumacher's frustration, he's been done twice by Bruno and it hasn't even been a full year between incidents

There' s a reason Schumacher and Hamilton went wheel to wheel without crashing at Monza 2011, they know the game, Alonso does, Vettel does, Kimi does. You can race with actual racers.

This was a difficult weekend for Mercedes, essentially qualifying high would of gotten them out of this midpack trouble, being in the midpack on a track like spain is no good. This is the first race perhaps where Mercedes hasn't looked great in qualifying and that essenitally played a part. Bruno is going to be a problem for other drivers if the williams stays competitive.

Bruno afterwards was stating pretty much that Schumacher wasn't going to go anywhere on the outside because he got there late. That's the reason why he changed lines again so that MSC had more room at the inside. Bullshit and horsecrap, if you go defensive, you can't switch lines in the braking zone. MSC had every right to be on the outside, he picked his line to set him up for the corners afterwards, but went into him. Geez... tough, tough luck.

For anyone calling that MSC must have had to more careful with Bruno anyway after a season, I think he learnt his lesson now after 2 accidents. Sorry Bruno, it was quite rubbish and one of the rare times I heard Michael losing it in the car.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:45

I think the key question is this: if he had started his career in Mercedes in 2010, would he still have been labelled as one of greatest F1 drivers or just one of good ones? Apart from climitizing seasons, Michael hasn't showed a pace/hasn't got a result that would have expected from an exceptional driver. I'm not saying he's not expectional driver, yes he was, but not he is. He is of course good, he's as fast as Rosberg but that is not the way Michael used to be. This is sad. He was always there to pick up points, to pick up places. I for myself didn't follow a single weekend since his comeback where I didn't doubt whether he can match Rosberg. That shouldn't have been the case in my humble and bruised opinion.

As for today's incident, I'd share the blame 50:50. Senna could have sticked one line and Michael could have avoided the incident. This is the way I see it and it's getting more and more frustrating to watch Michael's races.

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#19580 Paco

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:45

Calling for Schumacher to retire is silly.

He has been dreadfully unlucky so far this season. This is only the 5th race though. You guys are such Damon Hills, calling retire retire after every disappointing result.


It's not because of 1 race.. it's not because of 1 incident, it's not because of one 1 season.. its not because of 2 seasons.. the fact is, Michael and MGP hasn't been a good combination. Period. With the exception of a few off moments such as 1 good qualifying or 1 good race.. the pairing of Schumi and MGP has solely been about promise and hope then actual results. Just like the tires falling off the cliff.. so has Schumi at MGP.

Edited by Paco, 13 May 2012 - 14:45.


#19581 Massa_f1

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:46

I'm not saying you will. But it defines the temprement of the man.

He'll be mighty pissed off at what has happened this year, but he won't give up. He'll keep trying right until the very very end. Thats the attitude that has given him so many victories and sometimes driven him to go to far, but even if he loses a bit of pace that fundamental quality of him won't change.

There are still chances for success this year, and Michael is a man who will never let his chin drop or give up. And he isn't driving badly this year.

My only criticism is on strategy. I would have loved to seen him go out and set the fastest time he could in Q3 yesterday. I really liked the way Lewis went for it, and want to see that from Michael too. It might cost a few seconds in the race having put an extra couple of laps on a set of tyres, but I think a few places up the grid is always worth that to gain track position, avoid field spread and keep away from accidents and being dropped deep into the pack after a stop.


i wonder what he is going to class as the very end though. Car failures and crashes just keep happening.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:51

It's not because of 1 race.. it's not because of 1 incident, it's not because of one 1 season.. its not because of 2 seasons.. the fact is, Michael and MGP hasn't been a good combination. Period. With the exception of a few off moments such as 1 good qualifying or 1 good race.. the pairing of Schumi and MGP has solely been about promise and hope then actual results. Just like the tires falling off the cliff.. so has Schumi at MGP.



Fully agree. This not a view i have built just because of one race. The driver and team do not fit. It seemed like a dream. In reality its turned out awful with the exception of 2 or 3 races since his comeback.

Edited by Massa_f1, 13 May 2012 - 14:53.


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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:52

i wonder what he is going to class as the very end though. Car failures and crashes just keep happening.


The car failures are unfortunate, but won't happen every race. Mercedes have made mistakes but aren't idiots.

More concerning is getting the set up nailed and qualifying up the grid. Just look at the races Button and Webber had today. Getting away from the pack and being able to run in clean-ish air is the key to having a trouble free race, and then we'll see a decent race performance.

Must admit I'm a bit worried about Monaco though. I admit another DNF there is a possibility... especially if the car is a bit off again...

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:53

i wonder what he is going to class as the very end though. Car failures and crashes just keep happening.


Would be good if ate some humble pie and accepted some responsibility for all these incidents.. especially this one that was pretty clear it was ABSOLUTELY avoidable.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:56

I think the key question is this: if he had started his career in Mercedes in 2010, would he still have been labelled as one of greatest F1 drivers or just one of good ones? Apart from climitizing seasons, Michael hasn't showed a pace/hasn't got a result that would have expected from an exceptional driver. I'm not saying he's not expectional driver, yes he was, but not he is. He is of course good, he's as fast as Rosberg but that is not the way Michael used to be. This is sad. He was always there to pick up points, to pick up places. I for myself didn't follow a single weekend since his comeback where I didn't doubt whether he can match Rosberg. That shouldn't have been the case in my humble and bruised opinion.


You make a very good point. I think he would be regarded as something of a cult driver like Kobayashi - capable of some really fun to watch racing and feisty, but also prone to be in crashes and not quite as quick as his team mate over a lap.

But Michael came back at 40 years old and 3 years out of the game. He is good now, where he used to be great. He isn't the same driver.

Still, I think there is a lottery element in F1 for whether drivers shine or get stuck in mediocrity during their careers. Just imagine if Jenson Button had stayed at Williams, where would he be now? Or just imagine if Alesi had signed with Williams in 1991...

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:56

Would be good if ate some humble pie and accepted some responsibility for all these incidents.. especially this one that was pretty clear it was ABSOLUTELY avoidable.


So when didn't he accept responsibility? The accident was first avoidable by Senna by not moving under braking.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 14:57

Lol!

Schumacher made my day!

To be honest, yes, Senna flinched a bit to the left, and shouldn't have, but Schumi was a dummy, with his experience he should have realized he was in no position to pass anymore and should have left himself a bit more room to work with behind Bruno. Stupid, stupid move by Schumacher.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:02

So when didn't he accept responsibility? The accident was first avoidable by Senna by not moving under braking.


The accident was 100% Schumacher's fault.

Blaming Senna and calling him an idiot is a strange way of accepting responsibility.





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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:04

The car failures are unfortunate, but won't happen every race. Mercedes have made mistakes but aren't idiots.

More concerning is getting the set up nailed and qualifying up the grid. Just look at the races Button and Webber had today. Getting away from the pack and being able to run in clean-ish air is the key to having a trouble free race, and then we'll see a decent race performance.

Must admit I'm a bit worried about Monaco though. I admit another DNF there is a possibility... especially if the car is a bit off again...



Given he didn't like the 2011/2010 cars, he stil was good, Michael did well at Monaco, the merchanical DNF last year stopped a potential good race. Michael's attack on Pirelli is good, Michael angry leaving the car in Spain is good, his races haven't worked dout due to the teams fault overall so far, but it must change.

This is the Michael people wanted to see in 2010, remember how laid back he was, 2011 earlier on as well, Schumi clearly is trying, and when the team mess up.

This isn't frustration because of being off the pace like in some races in 2010, this is frustration due to one bad young racer Senna, and a build up of races where the team mostly have left him down, although he won't admit it pubically for now. It's good to see Schumacher pisses off, he wants to do well, I think this will bold him well. He's been more then cool for a long time, but now he is seeing potential good results go fry out, he is showing just how badly he wants it. It's for us to be patient now, and for him to keep on fighting and getting angry, that's the MS people were calling for in 2010, he's back, the results will come, all of his merceedes seasons get better as they go along, and this season is the longest ever, so he still has a long way to go.



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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:07

I think the key question is this: if he had started his career in Mercedes in 2010, would he still have been labelled as one of greatest F1 drivers or just one of good ones?


yes. if MSC was 20 years older today, he'd be as fast as ARYTON Senna. so, any questions?

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:08

Given he didn't like the 2011/2010 cars, he stil was good, Michael did well at Monaco, the merchanical DNF last year stopped a potential good race. Michael's attack on Pirelli is good, Michael angry leaving the car in Spain is good, his races haven't worked dout due to the teams fault overall so far, but it must change.

This is the Michael people wanted to see in 2010, remember how laid back he was, 2011 earlier on as well, Schumi clearly is trying, and when the team mess up.

This isn't frustration because of being off the pace like in some races in 2010, this is frustration due to one bad young racer Senna, and a build up of races where the team mostly have left him down, although he won't admit it pubically for now. It's good to see Schumacher pisses off, he wants to do well, I think this will bold him well. He's been more then cool for a long time, but now he is seeing potential good results go fry out, he is showing just how badly he wants it. It's for us to be patient now, and for him to keep on fighting and getting angry, that's the MS people were calling for in 2010, he's back, the results will come, all of his merceedes seasons get better as they go along, and this season is the longest ever, so he still has a long way to go.


LOL. Trying to deflect fustration with Michael's performance on poor innocent Senna is just not beneficial to anyone. Trying to convince yourself Senna is why Michael's fans are getting tired of all his horrible Sundays is insulting as well. I've waited for 100weeks for the legend to come back .. and he simply can't. Much like Tiger Woods. Expectations are only because of history vs. current level of competance.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:11

Given he didn't like the 2011/2010 cars, he stil was good, Michael did well at Monaco, the merchanical DNF last year stopped a potential good race. Michael's attack on Pirelli is good, Michael angry leaving the car in Spain is good, his races haven't worked dout due to the teams fault overall so far, but it must change.

This is the Michael people wanted to see in 2010, remember how laid back he was, 2011 earlier on as well, Schumi clearly is trying, and when the team mess up.

This isn't frustration because of being off the pace like in some races in 2010, this is frustration due to one bad young racer Senna, and a build up of races where the team mostly have left him down, although he won't admit it pubically for now. It's good to see Schumacher pisses off, he wants to do well, I think this will bold him well. He's been more then cool for a long time, but now he is seeing potential good results go fry out, he is showing just how badly he wants it. It's for us to be patient now, and for him to keep on fighting and getting angry, that's the MS people were calling for in 2010, he's back, the results will come, all of his merceedes seasons get better as they go along, and this season is the longest ever, so he still has a long way to go.

Last week he whined about the tires, this week it's Senna, what next week?

Hey, the guy was a brilliant racing driver, but you make too many excuses for him, he's not the Michael he once was, the sooner you come to grips with that, the happier you'll be and the more you'll appreciate what he's doing. I'm not a fan of his, but I can appreciate and respect what he's being able to accomplish as an elder driver. Instead of hoping for unreachable heights for him, you should just enjoy his presence in F1, it'll probably not last too much longer.

#19593 Paco

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:16

Last week he whined about the tires, this week it's Senna, what next week?

Hey, the guy was a brilliant racing driver, but you make too many excuses for him, he's not the Michael he once was, the sooner you come to grips with that, the happier you'll be and the more you'll appreciate what he's doing. I'm not a fan of his, but I can appreciate and respect what he's being able to accomplish as an elder driver. Instead of hoping for unreachable heights for him, you should just enjoy his presence in F1, it'll probably not last too much longer.


:up: I just keeping hoping for 1 Miracle Race where he nails pole and leads it wire to wire.. just for rekindling memories :)

#19594 zelpre

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:27

So frustrating to see Michael only have 2 points with such a good car. Partly due to him, partly due to bad luck. His season is over as a title contender before it has even begun.


And what is that "partly"? Please explain where in these 5 races he ruined a race or something?

#19595 Mr2s

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:31

I'm not saying you will. But it defines the temprement of the man.

He'll be mighty pissed off at what has happened this year, but he won't give up. He'll keep trying right until the very very end. Thats the attitude that has given him so many victories and sometimes driven him to go to far, but even if he loses a bit of pace that fundamental quality of him won't change.


You make his temperament sound positive. Michael's career is littered with incidents of cracking under pressure, unsavoury and unnecessary incidents.
Jean Todt told us he is insecure. That's what keeps him going, his determination to prove he is the best, which he hasn't been since 2004. He got a sniff of yet another vastly superior car under Brawn and for once it hasnt gone his way.
At the moment he just looks like a hypocrite. He needs to take the rough with the smooth.

#19596 SeanValen

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:35

:up: I just keeping hoping for 1 Miracle Race where he nails pole and leads it wire to wire.. just for rekindling memories :)



Teaming up with Birelman to pretend to be a fake fan. Good job.


Last week he whined about the tires, this week it's Senna, what next week?

Hey, the guy was a brilliant racing driver, but you make too many excuses for him, he's not the Michael he once was, the sooner you come to grips with that, the happier you'll be and the more you'll appreciate what he's doing. I'm not a fan of his, but I can appreciate and respect what he's being able to accomplish as an elder driver. Instead of hoping for unreachable heights for him, you should just enjoy his presence in F1, it'll probably not last too much longer.



Birelman I should enjoy exactly what I should enjoy the way you say I should enjoy it. LOL After your what 1000 negative posts. I should enjoy the presense of the safety car in f1 because it's what Birelman thinks is right. I should enjoy the presense of the green grass at Spa. I think Schumacher sweeps up all sorts of lifeforms in his 3 decades of racing, that's alot of forums he's pissed off or made laugh, exactly why this thread is 20000 posts almost. Yours is no different from the past 12 years of posts I've seen on here. Ive' seen better posts from unti Schumacher fans who've given a balanced debate, they would be disappointed with the work your continuing.

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#19597 spacekid

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:37

You make his temperament sound positive. Michael's career is littered with incidents of cracking under pressure, unsavoury and unnecessary incidents.
Jean Todt told us he is insecure. That's what keeps him going, his determination to prove he is the best, which he hasn't been since 2004. He got a sniff of yet another vastly superior car under Brawn and for once it hasnt gone his way.
At the moment he just looks like a hypocrite. He needs to take the rough with the smooth.


It is positive. Michael could have stayed at Bennetton, he could probably have signed with McLaren. He stuck at Ferrari during difficult years and put in some superb drives for them before the run of titles. Thats all to his credit, and his determination to succeed and prove he is the best played a huge part in that. Maybe other drivers have had the driving skills to achieve his sucess, but he actually did it.

I agree that he has sometimes 'cracked' under pressure, thats the darker flipside of his need to win.

I completely disagree with your statement that he looks like a hypocrit. How exactly? He's never blamed his team, he's understandably annoyed that Senna didn't drive in the way a more experienced racer like Hamilton or Button would have, he keeps trying to push forward and improve. Where is the hypocrisy?

#19598 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:39

5 place grid penalty for Schu in Monaco.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:40

5 place grid penalty for Schu in Monaco.



lol

Which idiot was the steward?

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#19600 Mr2s

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:40

It is positive. Michael could have stayed at Bennetton, he could probably have signed with McLaren. He stuck at Ferrari during difficult years and put in some superb drives for them before the run of titles. Thats all to his credit, and his determination to succeed and prove he is the best played a huge part in that. Maybe other drivers have had the driving skills to achieve his sucess, but he actually did it.

I agree that he has sometimes 'cracked' under pressure, thats the darker flipside of his need to win.

I completely disagree with your statement that he looks like a hypocrit. How exactly? He's never blamed his team, he's understandably annoyed that Senna didn't drive in the way a more experienced racer like Hamilton or Button would have, he keeps trying to push forward and improve. Where is the hypocrisy?


Difficult years? he joined a better Ferrari than Alonso did, with a bigger budget. The benetton staff followed him anyway.