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#19601 Massa_f1

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:41

5 place grid penalty for Schu in Monaco.



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#19602 George Costanza

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:45

Difficult years? he joined a better Ferrari than Alonso did, with a bigger budget. The benetton staff followed him anyway.



Are you joking with comparing Schu with 1996-1998 with Alonso?

Alonso was nearly WDC in 2010. 1996 was terrible, so was 1997 car (Schu's driving was on another planet in 97 that made the difference, much like Alonso now with Ferrari). It was not until 1998 (given McLaren had the far better car in 1998) that he could finally compete on par.

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#19603 sniper80

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:47

5 place grid penalty for Schu in Monaco.


He would come away nicely with that penalty.


#19604 spacekid

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:49

Difficult years? he joined a better Ferrari than Alonso did, with a bigger budget. The benetton staff followed him anyway.


Now I know you aren't to be taken seriously! Good grief!

#19605 Atonal

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 15:50

Difficult years? he joined a better Ferrari than Alonso did, with a bigger budget. The benetton staff followed him anyway.


Mr2s can you kindly enlighten me as to which driver you prefer/follow so that I can filter out from which side you are coming from or are you one of those completely impartial petrol heads just appreciating good drivers and teams?

I suspect perhaps Saint Alonso of Catalan? Shouldn't it be Mr0.6s then? :)


#19606 Sakae

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:15

5 place grid penalty for Schu in Monaco.


Remaind me, what happened to Webber when he hit someone from behind (similar accident a few years back), or to Hamilton, hitting Kimi at pit exit...

#19607 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:18

If that is the penalty the stewards are again morons.

#19608 SenorSjon

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:22

Source?

If it's true, I'll only watch on dreary Sundays and not postpone a nice moto tour on my VFR anymore. I've had it with cartoon tires and results. Mario Kart Wii has more consistent results...

#19609 scandyman

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:23

2nd lap is my bet too -- with Kobayashi slamming into Schumacher's back

And if ever he survives after Lap 2, Merc will make sure MS retires shortly after his 1st pit stop

If he still survives after his 1st pit stop, then that only means one thing: A typical 8th-10th finish.

But of course, MS could use some luck today. Who knows. Wish him the best for today's race!

You got it almost right there buddy :rotfl:

#19610 Spa95

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:24

Source?

Looks like his 'source' is some random Macca fan on Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/Sinniebaby

Yes - really. :lol:

#19611 ivand911

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:24

I don't find confirmation for the penalty?

#19612 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:25

Yep, 5 place drop. F@ck them.

#19613 zelpre

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:25

Yep 5 grid penalty for Michael. Can't believe this.

#19614 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:27

Yep, 5 place drop. F@ck them.


I don't lie mate. I didn't say he had a 5 place penalty to piss you guys off.

#19615 ivand911

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:28

NobleF1: Michael Schumacher gets five-place grid penalty for Monaco Grand Prix following collision with Bruno Senna

#19616 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:31

Looks like his 'source' is some random Macca fan on Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/Sinniebaby

Yes - really. :lol:


You should feel like an ass right now. :wave:

http://fia.com/en-GB...document-53.pdf

Edited by CrucialXtreme, 13 May 2012 - 16:31.


#19617 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:31

I don't know, doesn't seem particularly fair to me, but I guess it makes sense in the order of things.

#19618 RedBaron

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:31

Shocking conclusion. So that clarifies the situation for the future, expect to see these last minute changes by the car ahead in the braking zone.

A president has been set. Dangerous decision!

#19619 Massa_f1

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:31

We can write of Monaco then. please just retire Michael this is doing my head in.

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#19620 spacekid

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:33

Another strange penalty.

Oh well, its 'good for the show'.

#19621 SRK

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:34

Shocking conclusion. So that clarifies the situation for the future, expect to see these last minute changes by the car ahead in the braking zone.

A president has been set. Dangerous decision!

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#19622 ivand911

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:34

Like it is matter where he will start , 5 or 10 or 15? With car like that it is torture. It is not like he is fighting for a win. By the next race , they will be out of Q3.

#19623 Disgrace

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:34

Schumacher was predominantly at fault for the crash, but I'm sick of seeing penalties given for accidents, and ones that are not the fault of one perpetrator at that.

#19624 scandyman

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:34

Shocking conclusion. So that clarifies the situation for the future, expect to see these last minute changes by the car ahead in the braking zone.

A president has been set. Dangerous decision!

Yeah thats right, we can all see how much it helped Senna. :rolleyes:

#19625 RedBaron

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:35

We can write of Monaco then. please just retire Michael this is doing my head in.


Support someone else, your attitude is poor and slightly irking to real fans.

#19626 ZooL

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:35

I think its fair. He caused an avoidable accident and rammed off an oponent clearly from behind.

As Schumacher retired from the race he could not pay for his mistake, so he must do it next time.

Edited by ZooL, 13 May 2012 - 16:35.


#19627 RedBaron

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:37

Yeah thats right, we can all see how much it helped Senna. :rolleyes:


How silly, that obviously wasn't the point I was making.

#19628 Skinnyguy

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:37

Schumacher was predominantly at fault for the crash, but I'm sick of seeing penalties given for accidents, and ones that are not the fault of one perpetrator at that.


Sums my thoughts.

Schu got it wrong: Senna half defended, and went back towards the racing line leaving a car´s width on the outside for Schumacher. Nothing wrong. Schumacher changed his mind and went for the inside too late,

But no penalties were needed.

#19629 Massa_f1

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:40

Support someone else, your attitude is poor and slightly irking to real fans.


No like i said i am life long fan. Been in his official Uk fan club when it was up and running, and have pretty much every minichamps model of his cars going as well as caps and other merch. At the same time i am not blind the writing is on the wall.

#19630 Henrik B

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:40

Remaind me, what happened to Webber when he hit someone from behind (similar accident a few years back), or to Hamilton, hitting Kimi at pit exit...


If you ask me, Webber should have gotten one aswell. I guess everyone just forgot about it since it was such a spectacular crash.

Nothing wrong with the penalty. Schumacher had room on the inside and the outside and in indecision just smashed into Sennas behind. The small movement to the left wasn't a major shift in direction - and anyways, Senna was in front and had no idea where Schumacher was going to appear!

The major fault Schumacher did was not choosing a side earlier. Senna was, according to himself atleast, not about to put up a major fight...

#19631 topical

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:41

The legendary comeback continues. A bit sad but really, for the sake of dignity, let's hope he bows out at the end of this year.

#19632 MidKnight

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:42

Schumacher was predominantly at fault for the crash, but I'm sick of seeing penalties given for accidents, and ones that are not the fault of one perpetrator at that.


Bullshit. Senna pulled a bullshit move and anyone that understands racing knows it too. The penalty is ridiculous.

#19633 spacekid

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:46

I don't think Disgrace is out of order there. Schumi could have expected Senna to either race, or just get out of the way, instead of a sort of half and half, but its subjective. And in any case the main point is its very annoying to see penalties (given out to anyone) for what happens in racing. I happen think Senna shouldn't have moved in the braking zone, but certainly didn't want to see a penalty for him.

I hate these penalties :|

#19634 Birelman

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:46

Bullshit. Senna pulled a bullshit move and anyone that understands racing knows it too. The penalty is ridiculous.

I raced my whole Life, raced some of the drivers you discuss in this forum, and I don't agree without you, so, no, anyone who understands racing doesn't see it as you do.

#19635 Skinnyguy

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:46

Bullshit. Senna pulled a bullshit move and anyone that understands racing knows it too. The penalty is ridiculous.


Senna went to defend to the middle of the track, saw Schumacher trying the outside line, and went back towards the racing line always leaving a car´s width to Schumacher. Perfectly OK.

Schumacher says he was scared because he didn´t know if Senna would go fully left so he switched to the inside, but that´s HIS problem, Senna did leave room on the left.

#19636 blackonyx4

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:48

Remaind me, what happened to Webber when he hit someone from behind (similar accident a few years back), or to Hamilton, hitting Kimi at pit exit...


Hamilton got a 10 place grid penalty for Magny-Cours. Heck, he was even penalized for not hitting anyone from behind in Fuji. Whats your point?

#19637 RedBaron

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:48

No like i said i am life long fan. Been in his official Uk fan club when it was up and running, and have pretty much every minichamps model of his cars going as well as caps and other merch. At the same time i am not blind the writing is on the wall.


Haha, well done you bought lots of merchandise.

The writing certainly isn't on the wall, you've made up your mind so I'm not going to bother debating it. But those who clearly aren't over dramatic in response to Schumacher or Mercedes results we can see it's a different story.

#19638 ivand911

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:49

Stewards made their decision, we will not cry about it. We accept the things as they are, we will not start threads , to make it the biggest problem in the world. They better sort out the car , because only STR and new teams are behind us.

#19639 Scotracer

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:49

Ahahaha.

He will be ruing the day he signed the contract for Merc in late 2009.

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#19640 DutchCruijff

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:50

I predict a Schumi fight back in Monaco.

#19641 Disgrace

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:52

Bullshit. Senna pulled a bullshit move and anyone that understands racing knows it too. The penalty is ridiculous.


My view on the incident here and here, where you can also see the replay.

Senna wanted to gift Schumacher the inside line to prevent a repeat of the Grosjean contact that happened the lap before. He pulled to the left just as Schumacher committed to that line. It's an unfortunate racing incident.

Edited by Disgrace, 13 May 2012 - 16:52.


#19642 Birelman

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:52

I predict a Schumi fight back in Monaco.

I'd double check that crystal ball again...

#19643 Lelouch

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:53

Stewards made their decision, we will not cry about it. We accept the things as they are, we will not start threads , to make it the biggest problem in the world. They better sort out the car , because only STR and new teams are behind us.

:up: :up: :up: Yes after all it's the stewards' job to decide. The real problem is MGP and the W03 after all.

#19644 scandyman

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:56

The legendary comeback continues. A bit sad but really, for the sake of dignity, let's hope he bows out at the end of this year.

This year will definetely be his last. He has driven well considering his age but it is rather clear that it becomes harder and harder for him to do split second decisions which are needed in this sport. I can give Michael grade: c+ for his performances which should be fair.

#19645 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:59

I don't lie mate. I didn't say he had a 5 place penalty to piss you guys off.


I know that you normally post good info but it wasn't posted anywhere else. Thanks though.

#19646 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 16:59

I finally admit, MS isnt good enough anymore this.

I would love to eat my words but I stand by my statement. His judgement isnt there anymore, he is too aggressive and over compensates. I feel this is a mental problem now and just hope he retires at the end of 2012 with dignity with no regrets.

Nothing will diminish 1991-2006, your utter dominance, ALL your records and your leadership. I just hope you retire and enjoy your $1bn+ fortune.


#19647 spacekid

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 17:00

This year will definetely be his last. He has driven well considering his age but it is rather clear that it becomes harder and harder for him to do split second decisions which are needed in this sport. I can give Michael grade: c+ for his performances which should be fair.


He was pretty decent at the start. he can still cut it, this was just a stupid racing incident. You see it happen. Lewis has had them, Vettel has had them. Neither of them are down on the reactions needed for racing. It happens sometimes.

#19648 spacekid

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 17:01

I finally admit, MS isnt good enough anymore this.

I would love to eat my words but I stand by my statement. His judgement isnt there anymore, he is too aggressive and over compensates. I feel this is a mental problem now and just hope he retires at the end of 2012 with dignity with no regrets.

Nothing will diminish 1991-2006, your utter dominance, ALL your records and your leadership. I just hope you retire and enjoy your $1bn+ fortune.


Should Button retire also? Becuase he was having a worse weekend than Schumi when the crash happened.

#19649 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 17:01

It's just such a bloody bad streak and it's even worse knowing something like this more or less compromises one of the most exciting races on the calendar.

#19650 Massa_f1

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 17:01

Haha, well done you bought lots of merchandise.

The writing certainly isn't on the wall, you've made up your mind so I'm not going to bother debating it. But those who clearly aren't over dramatic in response to Schumacher or Mercedes results we can see it's a different story.



OK fair enough. I was just trying to show with the merchendise comment that i am not a passer by fan.

I also wont stop supporting him No matter what. I suppose everyone will have a different opinion on his return. I base mine on results. i don't know what different story other fans are picking up, but his comeback has been nowhere close to successful in my opinion.

On the plus side with all these random results we could still get a win before season ends.