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#19801 Ellios

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:38

:eek:


Darren Heath hasn't had a good word to say about MSC for years now - not say there's no truth behind his tweet but he's known for bitching when it come to MSC


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:15

If his luck settles down, then he'll likely stay out the season. Let's see what happens. However, even if he doesn't collide with anyone and has no mechanical failures, I doubt that he'd renew if they fail to get another win or podium finish.

OTOH, Michael has a way of never giving up. He could surprise us as well (he stays for another year), so long as the team is willing to have him driving.


It was an ill-fated comeback but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Ferrari and Luca pushed him out when he had another 2 good seasons left in him IMO.

Even if he wins again I think he'll stay retired. I was hoping for 100 wins (it did look possible) to end the career but a combination of bad judgement, poor equipment, bad strategy and the team letting him down numerous times (gearbox, pitstops, DRS DRS DRS DRS in 2011 etc) all have come to this;us urging the most decorated F1 pilot of all time 'please retire, this is hurting your legacy'.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:18

:eek:



that's actually a very stupid post from heath....I wonder if he said "I wonder how long MSC will put up with Mercedes"...after the first 4 races.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:26

Heath has an unhealthy hate for Michael. Nothing new.

But if the results won't come (for whatever reason) they won't continue in 2013.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:53

In post-race interview he speaks about it. (I am not sure if you have seen this).

http://www.formula1....12/5/13346.html


I think this was made before the penalty was confirmed, so that's more what I'm looking forward to.

Regarding his replacement, I think it would be ridiculous at this point to talk about that, unless he's already decided he won't be going ahead any more.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:14

And the video: http://www.twitvid.com/C55KY


Thank you. I think it was mostly his disappointment speaking i am pretty sure he knows he has done worse things than what Senna did after all.

As for the replacement my feelings are that the Mercedes - Schumacher combo will never work out so i don't know what is the best option for both sides, but i hope he won't stop racing.

In situations like these you can't blame only one side, Schumacher looked pretty decent in the first 3 weekends and i think he showed a lot of promise for this year and now once again everyone is pointing at him. But seriously his W03 behaves more like a W02 in the last 2 weekends and i don't expect him to be able to overcome the problems at this age.

Something is wrong at Mercedes for both drivers and even the fact that they can't set a fastest lap in race ( with the exception of China maybe i wasn't watching the live timing ) even when they put fresh tires while we have seen almost every other team being fastest at some point of a race, shows something. In 5 races they made the W03 + Pirelli combo work only once and only Rosberg found the perfect balance. So let's not blame it all on Schumacher when it was only the first time this year that he was indeed at fault.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:21

5 place penalty? this is stupid penalty, racing incident, no more no less


Correct penalty and follows precedence for a race ending crash.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:32

Ever since MS came back into the sport I got the distinct feeling that the other drivers felt it necessary to assert their "dominance" over him by any means possible.


You're not alone in that feeling.

I believe this is the second time Senna has caused such an incident. There are much more talented drivers available. (Jaime for one) He needs to go soon.



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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:51

Thank you. I think it was mostly his disappointment speaking i am pretty sure he knows he has done worse things than what Senna did after all.

As for the replacement my feelings are that the Mercedes - Schumacher combo will never work out so i don't know what is the best option for both sides, but i hope he won't stop racing.

In situations like these you can't blame only one side, Schumacher looked pretty decent in the first 3 weekends and i think he showed a lot of promise for this year and now once again everyone is pointing at him. But seriously his W03 behaves more like a W02 in the last 2 weekends and i don't expect him to be able to overcome the problems at this age.

Something is wrong at Mercedes for both drivers and even the fact that they can't set a fastest lap in race ( with the exception of China maybe i wasn't watching the live timing ) even when they put fresh tires while we have seen almost every other team being fastest at some point of a race, shows something. In 5 races they made the W03 + Pirelli combo work only once and only Rosberg found the perfect balance. So let's not blame it all on Schumacher when it was only the first time this year that he was indeed at fault.


In my opinion the tyres currently in use seem to vary not only from race to race, but also from team to team even at the same race which can, and has I suspect, resulted in the fastest car/driver combo not being able to win.

This inconsistency is unacceptable and in my opinion the rubber should be durable enough to last the whole race without degrading so drastically, although teams should be allowed to change to fresh rubber if they want to.

Schumacher was right to complain about the tyres and even acknowledging the welcome and varied results of the first 5 GPs I personally do not want said results to be decided by who manages their apparently inconsistent rubber the best.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:57

Alternative angle of the Schumacher / Senna crash. :)

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:02

Darren Heath hasn't had a good word to say about MSC for years now - not say there's no truth behind his tweet but he's known for bitching when it come to MSC


Darren Heath is an arse. Totally biased and utterly rubbish. Nonetheless he's not a journalist, so he's free to express his opinions.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:37

You're not alone in that feeling.

I believe this is the second time Senna has caused such an incident. There are much more talented drivers available. (Jaime for one) He needs to go soon.

F1Racing recently had an interesting take on that one when interviewing Schumacher, it got up to the part where Hamilton HAD to pass Schumacher even during a test. Then Monza came. Other guys too.

Senna was as guilty as Schumacher in Canada 2010 vs Massa. But Senna is nowhere near Schumachers (aged) skillset, he qualified very well in Belgium only to break Alguersuari's car in pieces. What a fuckup. Schumacher incident in Brazil wasn't very professional either and then this. Let's say I'm not very fond of his driving, although he is a nice guy. But that's just about it.

Edited by RacingReporter, 14 May 2012 - 12:42.


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:50

okay, so here are a few Question Marks that i have in relation to yesterdays acident...i hope im not repeating what someone else already asked

obviously 70% of the blame should fall on MS(IMO), since he is a 7xWDC and absolutely the most competent driver in terms of experience on the 2012grid so IMO he made a bad call when he "thought" he could 'somehow" pass BS so late into the braking zone considering he couldnt get close enough using his DRS to begin with...so that settled im wondering:
When your tyres are as shot as BS's were(and your team isnt bringing you IN),shouldnt he be holding just one driving line and allow drivers on much fresher tyres to pass him without him tryin to race or defend? ...because whats the point if he has to brake an extra marker or two or three earlier...that surely has to be considered dumb blocking and dangerous,right!!!!? Why are the FIA not taking that into consideration(when handing out penalties) considering the huge drop off in performance once the tyres get old?!!?.Obviously BS isnt exactly your typical F1 material and he constantly finds himself unable to handle a F1 car in tight wheel to wheel with other drivers ...so how are other drivers able to pickpoint who is on old tyres and how much earlier they should be breaking to avoid such redicilous acidents?

Edited by 654321, 14 May 2012 - 16:02.


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 13:21

I think it was a racing accident.

I also think that the stewarts have decided to mess up MS's Monaco GP with a silly penalty.

BS was clueless. He let by NR and KR, I think, and then decides to be a hard ass with MS....

MS should have been more patient though..... but the penalty was a farce.



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Posted 14 May 2012 - 13:22

I think Schumacher said "(karma is an) idiot"


Have you never seen the irony in worshiping at the door of AyrtonSenna and at the same time continually critisizing Michael for his driving?

For what its worth I think a driver is entitled to say what he wants to his team over the radio. Its not like he organised a press conference to call Bruno an idiot.

Instead of calling Schumi unprofesional what about the decision to broadcast the remark to his team?

#19816 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 14:29

Schumi got penalty, but after reading an interview with him, I think that I understand his point. In close racing some backmarkers are simply not good enough for F1 as they are lacking forward think what will happen if they do this or that. Michael needs to end up in top five during quali, and leave those guys far back. There is no other way. The bad season just continues.



That wouldn't have helped him really as he was behind Senna due to the pitstop phase. He could end up behind a less competitive 'backmarker' car no matter how high his qually position.

Schumacher seemed to be unprepared for that overtake imo, he didn't really have a plan of how he was going to attack Senna and in the end made a last second decision to go down the inside which was too late.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 14 May 2012 - 14:32.


#19817 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 14:38

That wouldn't have helped him really as he was behind Senna due to the pitstop phase. He could end up behind a less competitive 'backmarker' car no matter how high his qually position. Schumacher seemed to be unprepared for that overtake, he didn't really have a plan of how he was going to attack Senna and in the end made a last second decision to go down the inside which was too late.

Nope, I think he had a plan.
As Senna moved towards the middle of the track MS stuck to the outside. As he approached the turn Senna jinxed a bit to the left in MS's path (but leaving a car's width) and jumped on the brakes as he had to slow down much earlier.
At 300+ km/h MS couldn't know how much Senna would move in his path and decided to move to the inside. It was a late reaction to a late move by Senna. Had he stuck to his initial line there wouldn't have been any contact. We know that in hindsight but had Senna moved completely to the outside he would have rammed him hard. MS had a plan and was comitted to the outside but simply thought Senna would shut the door in his face and overreacted

I see absolutely no reason for the penalty, it was a clear miscommunication from both of the drivers, and the ironic part is that I think Senna was trying to offer him the inside line and let him trough.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 14:47

You know how they say.

The best revange is success. Michael needs to bounce back and win in Monaco. The only way left after disaster 5 races, that's how I see it.

Good luck with that one

While I think Michael went in far too hot on Senna, it's also quite clear Senna shifts about a bit in the breaking zone, this definitely contributed to what happened, but I'd still lay most of the blame at Schumachers door.

I think he was a bit unlucky Senna was a nightmare for anyone trying to pass him, also when you look at what his teammate acheived in the same car i think his driving became somewhat desperate to say the least

Odd that Schumacher would be so irate about the incident since he did the excact, EXCACT same thing to Massa in Canada, 2010.



That one was worse... Senna at least left room for him on the left. Schumacher cut across and went totally back to the left edge in front of Massa┬┤s nose.

I remember it as well, it was quite deplorable by Schumacher perhaps you should practice what you preach

I don't actually agree with this, in fact it seems to be the other way around. Ever since MS came back into the sport I got the distinct feeling that the other drivers felt it necessary to assert their "dominance" over him by any means possible. I think this has a lot to do with why MS is getting into a lot of accidents as the other drivers see "michael red" whenever he is close at hand.

Look at close contacts, crashes, rear ends, being shoved off the road etc etc. Hell, even in karting that MS is doing these days the attitude is prevalent among the other drivers.

He's been equally as guilty if not more

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 14:51

of course he will jinx to the left...there are groves in T1 that u need to "fall in" for optimum "tyre patch" throught that corner..otherwise u would be off the racing line in T2...i think the question here should be...why did he defend against MS when he had no tyre live left to do so.......and does calling BS cluless means he is too dangerous/incompetent to be in F1

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#19820 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 14:51

He's been equally as guilty if not more

true, he's had a fair share a bad moments these years.

however, 2012 has been purely unlucky. He hasn't driven anywhere as bad as the results show



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Posted 14 May 2012 - 14:53

of course he will jinx to the left...there are groves in T1 that u need to "fall in" for optimum "tyre patch" throught that corner..otherwise u would be off the racing line in T2...i think the question here should be...why did he defend against MS when he had no tyre live left to do so.......and does calling BS cluless means he is too dangerous/incompetent to be in F1

I think he jinxed to release MS on the inside but Michael was already commited to the outside by then. When he tried to switch..bang...

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 15:00

true, he's had a fair share a bad moments these years.

however, 2012 has been purely unlucky. He hasn't driven anywhere as bad as the results show

I agree he's been very clean this year

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 15:03

I think he jinxed to release MS on the inside but Michael was already commited to the outside by then. When he tried to switch..bang...


I agree with this....but shouldnt he have stayed on the left to begin with..why stay on the right if u intend on releasing MS...and if Yes does it mean that BS is a modern Yje Ide

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 15:08

I think he jinxed to release MS on the inside but Michael was already commited to the outside by then. When he tried to switch..bang...

If you ask me, Senna was too busy thinking about others and not follow his own plan. The fact that he is doing so, says enough. He HAS to act, the follower HAS to respond. Only make your move clear enough and it will all just pan out beautifully. This kind of insecurity is not doing him favours in F1.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 15:25

Nope, I think he had a plan.
As Senna moved towards the middle of the track MS stuck to the outside. As he approached the turn Senna jinxed a bit to the left in MS's path (but leaving a car's width) and jumped on the brakes as he had to slow down much earlier.
At 300+ km/h MS couldn't know how much Senna would move in his path and decided to move to the inside. It was a late reaction to a late move by Senna. Had he stuck to his initial line there wouldn't have been any contact. We know that in hindsight but had Senna moved completely to the outside he would have rammed him hard. MS had a plan and was comitted to the outside but simply thought Senna would shut the door in his face and overreacted

I see absolutely no reason for the penalty, it was a clear miscommunication from both of the drivers, and the ironic part is that I think Senna was trying to offer him the inside line and let him trough.



Well that is exactly what Senna said he was doing-

"Look it's racing and incidents happen. At the end of the day, I was not expecting him to hit me, I thought he was going to dive for the inside," he told the BBC.

"He probably misjudged me a little bit. He came with good speed on the straight and I had to brake.

"When I saw he was moving I thought he would dive on the inside so I moved a little bit to the left and then he just hit me."


To me Schumacher was of two minds as to what to do, outside vs inside, and the indecision cost him.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 14 May 2012 - 15:26.


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 20:23

Man, this season even Schumi can win a race.

Let him start from the back in Monaco and you'll see!

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 20:27

And let's not forget how schumi was making life easy for Hamilton in Monza last year, that should be a lesson for young Senna.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 20:30

Young Senna?!!!....but he isnt that young tho...just his driving

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 20:30

Man, this season even Schumi can win a race.

Let him start from the back in Monaco and you'll see!


monaco is too hard for his slow reactions :lol:

but TBH I never was a MS fan but i have to admit that the man was a force on his own from 91-06 but I think the combination of not having the team as in Ferrari, testings, and the tyres makes what happens now to MS...

Give the regulations of earlier and a car which suit MS he will fight for wins, but WDC....naaah i really think he hasn't got that little extra anymore.

But the Topic if he will finish the season is over the top... You never can't do that with a 7XWDC and he's nowhere to compare with FM (he's a real schame and I would stop directly and blame my accident and go enjoying my life he has the money)

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 20:39

monaco is too hard for his slow reactions :lol:


Calling "slow" a guy that shown recently he can race side by side without crashing in St. Devote or Loews, and pull a pass halfway bewteen Rascasse and the last corner is a bad joke. ):

Sure, he messed up yesterday, but the guy CAN race.

Edited by Skinnyguy, 14 May 2012 - 20:39.


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 20:43

Calling "slow" a guy that shown recently he can race side by side without crashing in St. Devote or Loews, and pull a pass halfway bewteen Rascasse and the last corner is a bad joke. ):

Sure, he messed up yesterday, but the guy CAN race.


of course he can it was a joke dude...

but like stated before for me he is past his prime but I want to see him winning once more like hakkinen and than retire

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 20:48

This is the 1st time since MS comeback that he has shown frustration and emotion.

Even when the wheel went in Spa 11' or the various Q problems in 10' or 11' he remained calm. 'The New Schumacher' we called him.

We might not even see a wave when the cameras are on him in when he's parked in the garage now. I think we might just see Schumi get ruthless again. Being nice has won him friends this time around but not much else on track.

What I am trying to get at is this was when 'The Old Schumacher' was most dangerous, coming off adversity he would pull out his best results.

Bring on Monaco and Canada!! :cool:

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 21:03

This is the 1st time since MS comeback that he has shown frustration and emotion.

Even when the wheel went in Spa 11' or the various Q problems in 10' or 11' he remained calm. 'The New Schumacher' we called him.

We might not even see a wave when the cameras are on him in when he's parked in the garage now. I think we might just see Schumi get ruthless again. Being nice has won him friends this time around but not much else on track.

What I am trying to get at is this was when 'The Old Schumacher' was most dangerous, coming off adversity he would pull out his best results.

Bring on Monaco and Canada!! :cool:

:up: :up:

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 21:27

If I remember the "New" MS was quite irritated after last year Turkish GP but I guess yesterday was more obvious probably because that was really in the heat of a moment. I'd love to see the "Old" MS come back. Whatever he does he's being blamed anyway so why not race even harder while at it, assuming he starts somewhere in front of course and fights the like of Alonso and Button rather than Senna Jr or Kobayashi.

#19835 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 21:44

To me Schumacher was of two minds as to what to do, outside vs inside, and the indecision cost him.

if you watch the replay he isn't undecided at all. he goes for the outside.
he changes his mind just when he sees senna move to the outside too. michael was comitted to that line before senna made that move.

senna may have wanted to offer the inside line but michael was on the other side. simple miscommunication

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 21:47

This is the 1st time since MS comeback that he has shown frustration and emotion.

Even when the wheel went in Spa 11' or the various Q problems in 10' or 11' he remained calm. 'The New Schumacher' we called him.

We might not even see a wave when the cameras are on him in when he's parked in the garage now. I think we might just see Schumi get ruthless again. Being nice has won him friends this time around but not much else on track.

What I am trying to get at is this was when 'The Old Schumacher' was most dangerous, coming off adversity he would pull out his best results.

Bring on Monaco and Canada!! :cool:


Well..been hearing the same drum-beating since his comeback...Bring on this....Bring that....Bring on what!!!??? I can't wait to hear people say after 10 or 12 races without results...BRING ON 2013!! :stoned:

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 21:48

if you watch the replay he isn't undecided at all. he goes for the outside.
he changes his mind just when he sees senna move to the outside too. michael was comitted to that line before senna made that move.

senna may have wanted to offer the inside line but michael was on the other side. simple miscommunication


MS did the same thing to Hamilton last year...not once...not twice..a lot of times and he thinks there was nothing wrong with it. Only difference was that Hamilton was quick enough to avoid any incident.

MS got a doze of his own medicine.

Edited by jbarokF1, 14 May 2012 - 21:52.


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 00:13

Well..been hearing the same drum-beating since his comeback...Bring on this....Bring that....Bring on what!!!??? I can't wait to hear people say after 10 or 12 races without results...BRING ON 2013!! :stoned:

:up: :rotfl:

Gotta hand it to these MS fans, they sure are persistent! :)

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:01

:up: :rotfl:

Gotta hand it to these MS fans, they sure are persistent! :)


... and you? :rotfl:

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:08

:up: :lol:

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:33

michael and lewis sure seem to cop hte penalties when they are being handed out.

as michael pointed out brunna had had a coming together with the lotus already. his tyres were gone and even though he was racing for position he had no show. others managed to hold a single line and make it straight forward to get past.

michael no doubt was frustrated to go out at least partly to his own fault - but making a mistake when passing someone so clearly not a contender is also deeply frustrating for him.

then again at least he doesnt do the rosberg trundle

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 09:40

monaco is too hard for his slow reactions :lol:

but TBH I never was a MS fan but i have to admit that the man was a force on his own from 91-06 but I think the combination of not having the team as in Ferrari, testings, and the tyres makes what happens now to MS...

Give the regulations of earlier and a car which suit MS he will fight for wins, but WDC....naaah i really think he hasn't got that little extra anymore.


If he only ever had success due to special treatment how to you explain his driving '91-93, for example? Or '96 to '98 when the Ferrari was far from the best car?

I really am waiting for one of you 'Michael has always been crap now we're seeing the proof :lol:' type people to actually explain all those years away.


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 09:57

I think even the most die hard Schumy fanatics must agree that the MSC we have today is not the all-conquering entity he was in the 1990s and early 2000s? He's still one of the best, but no longer what he once was.

I think Alonso has taken the mantle of being the best driver in F1 and the driver who can drag the performance out of a car that just doesn't deserve to be at the front. That used to be Micheal.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 09:59

If he only ever had success due to special treatment how to you explain his driving '91-93, for example? Or '96 to '98 when the Ferrari was far from the best car?

I really am waiting for one of you 'Michael has always been crap now we're seeing the proof :lol: ' type people to actually explain all those years away.


I'm quite the Schumi fan but could pre-empt with a shot as 'devil's advocate'. :) There are many drivers who have failed to succeed as Schumi did despite storming on the scene with a lot of initial promise as Michael exhibited in 1991-93. Only a chosen few went on to actually be very successful. Few if any have cheated and enjoyed the sort of competitive advantage he did during his championship years through superior machinery and subservient teammates.

How's that? :lol:

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:04

I think even the most die hard Schumy fanatics must agree that the MSC we have today is not the all-conquering entity he was in the 1990s and early 2000s? He's still one of the best, but no longer what he once was.

I think Alonso has taken the mantle of being the best driver in F1 and the driver who can drag the performance out of a car that just doesn't deserve to be at the front. That used to be Micheal.


I erm think I agree .... :cry:

But even then, I think he still has a win in him. He came alive in Monza/Canada 2011. There's still life left in him. However, his on-track incidents do point to his race instinct/reflexes being not quite what they used to be. I'm just not convinced that in his hay day he would be running into the back of drivers as he has done since his comeback. They say once a man and twice a child.... Schumi used to run in the back of drivers in the infancy of his F1 career when he was very eager to deliver. Hmmmm.... food for thought that!! I'm always looking for the silver lining/ray of hope. I have a lot of difficulty letting him go unless he hangs up his helmet and goes.

So ......erm... no... NO.... I DON'T agree!!

:clap: :clap: Go Schumi! You can do it. You show them.

Edited by ali_M, 15 May 2012 - 10:06.


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:07

I erm think I agree .... :cry:

But even then, I think he still has a win in him. He came alive in Monza/Canada 2011. There's still life left in him. However, his on-track incidents do point to his race instinct/reflexes being not quite what they used to be. I'm just not convinced that in his hay day he would be running into the back of drivers as he has done since his comeback. They say once a man and twice a child.... Schumi used to run in the back of drivers in the infancy of his F1 career when he was very eager to deliver. Hmmmm.... food for thought that!! I'm always looking for the silver lining/ray of hope. I have a lot of difficulty letting him go unless he hangs up his helmet and goes.

So ......erm... no... NO.... I DON'T agree!!

:clap: :clap: Go Schumi! You can do it. You show them.


No, I do believe Michael has a win in him - if Nico does, so does Michael who is driving just as well, if not slightly better...

BUT, Michael is a 7 time WDC, his winning ability wouldn't have been questioned back in his prime.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:11

Well..been hearing the same drum-beating since his comeback...Bring on this....Bring that....Bring on what!!!??? I can't wait to hear people say after 10 or 12 races without results...BRING ON 2013!! :stoned:

Why do you care?

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:26

No, I do believe Michael has a win in him - if Nico does, so does Michael who is driving just as well, if not slightly better...

BUT, Michael is a 7 time WDC, his winning ability wouldn't have been questioned back in his prime.


In his favour, I mean... 2005 did make him seem lacklustre, didn't it? :) He did win the Indy farce, but that was it for that season. Only once did he seem really racy with Alonso at San Marino. If the car isn't up to it, then he'll look very different from when he has competitive machinery. However, mind you, he was still inevitably ahead of his teammate most races.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 15:10

I think even the most die hard Schumy fanatics must agree that the MSC we have today is not the all-conquering entity he was in the 1990s and early 2000s? He's still one of the best, but no longer what he once was.

I think Alonso has taken the mantle of being the best driver in F1 and the driver who can drag the performance out of a car that just doesn't deserve to be at the front. That used to be Micheal.


I agree with that.

This BS that MS does not deserve to be on the grid is utter crap. In numerous instances this season he has covered some of the best in F1. He makes one mistake and now those that NEVER liked him in his prime are calling for him to be binned....



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Posted 15 May 2012 - 15:15

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