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#19851 chrisaix

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 15:24

+1

and spain was only the first error he made this year. the problem with all the schumi haters is that they are all blaming schumi for his last 4 races without even knowing the facts or they are just simply ignoring it just to lambast michael. and again i dont have to list all what happened in the first 4 races.

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#19852 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 16:12

In his favour, I mean... 2005 did make him seem lacklustre, didn't it? :) He did win the Indy farce, but that was it for that season. Only once did he seem really racy with Alonso at San Marino. If the car isn't up to it, then he'll look very different from when he has competitive machinery. However, mind you, he was still inevitably ahead of his teammate most races.


Compare Schumacher to Barichello in 2005.

Schumacher was 3rd in driver standings

Barrichello was 8th in the driver standings.

Then critics come on here and complain about unfair treatment and team orders. There was a reason why he was #1 and given preferential treatment. Alas, I think those vital split second judgements and reactions are now faded.

#19853 spacekid

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 17:04

I think even the most die hard Schumy fanatics must agree that the MSC we have today is not the all-conquering entity he was in the 1990s and early 2000s? He's still one of the best, but no longer what he once was.

I think Alonso has taken the mantle of being the best driver in F1 and the driver who can drag the performance out of a car that just doesn't deserve to be at the front. That used to be Micheal.


:up: Oh I completely agree.

#19854 jbarokF1

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 17:15

I think even the most die hard Schumy fanatics must agree that the MSC we have today is not the all-conquering entity he was in the 1990s and early 2000s? He's still one of the best, but no longer what he once was.

I think Alonso has taken the mantle of being the best driver in F1 and the driver who can drag the performance out of a car that just doesn't deserve to be at the front. That used to be Micheal.

:up:

I think the problem with MS fans (and MS himself) is that they still could not accept that MS is already past his prime due to his age. It clearly shows that he can not be what he used to be and that is understandable due to his age.

To MS fans...we are not taking away what MS has achieved..He's a human who gets old and will definitely lost his abilities (and it already shows that he already lost some of his talent). Any driver (Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton, all of them) will never be the same winners as they are now when they reach the same age.

And problem now with MS is that he's trying too hard to prove something when there is nothing to prove anymore...He achieved things that nobody else has done. Look what happens when he tries too hard..it ends in tears. He's making himself look really bad..



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Posted 15 May 2012 - 17:30

I think even the most die hard Schumy fanatics must agree that the MSC we have today is not the all-conquering entity he was in the 1990s and early 2000s? He's still one of the best, but no longer what he once was.

I think Alonso has taken the mantle of being the best driver in F1 and the driver who can drag the performance out of a car that just doesn't deserve to be at the front. That used to be Micheal.


Totally agree with this too :up:

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 17:52

And problem now with MS is that he's trying too hard to prove something when there is nothing to prove anymore...He achieved things that nobody else has done. Look what happens when he tries too hard..it ends in tears. He's making himself look really bad..


Yes, he tried too hard to shave another 100g off his gearbox, that's why it broke in Aus.
He tried too hard to not roll over and play dead, that's why Grosjean hit him.
He was rushing himself with the wheel gun, that's why the nut didn't go on properly.
He thought he could improve the DRS activation mechanism to give him another 100th, that's why it failed him in qually.

Seriously, he's made one mistake - Against the back of a dithering Senna on shot tyres, and he's only good for retirement, is trying too hard, is ruining his legacy, is slow compared to his team mate, etc?

He's already proven he deserves a place on the current grid, at most all you could question is if he deserves a top drive. Which is moot, seeing as he's not had one since coming back, thanks to Brackley being their usual quality selves.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 17:53

:up:

I think the problem with MS fans (and MS himself) is that they still could not accept that MS is already past his prime due to his age. It clearly shows that he can not be what he used to be and that is understandable due to his age.

To MS fans...we are not taking away what MS has achieved..He's a human who gets old and will definitely lost his abilities (and it already shows that he already lost some of his talent). Any driver (Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton, all of them) will never be the same winners as they are now when they reach the same age.

And problem now with MS is that he's trying too hard to prove something when there is nothing to prove anymore...He achieved things that nobody else has done. Look what happens when he tries too hard..it ends in tears. He's making himself look really bad..


MS fanatics feel that way.

Rational MS fans know better :)

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 17:56

I am concerned what all this mess is doing to him. The man has heart of steel, and he is one of a kind fighter, but he is also a human, and I haven't encountered anyone yet who has choices available to him, and he continues to face adversity like there is no tommorrow. If Benz continues with F1 beyond 2012, and Michael is in, this would be the greates suprise for me this year.

On the other hand, there is the unfinish business - I am guessing that he wants to add a win to his stay (or two), so, who knows what will happen; he might go for it all the way. I feel with him about whole deal, but results of this year does have very little to do who Schumacher is, there is no doubt in my mind about that.

Edited by Sakae, 15 May 2012 - 17:58.


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 19:05

I feel with him about whole deal, but results of this year does have very little to do who Schumacher is, there is no doubt in my mind about that.

Pretty good way of summing it up, really. :up: Fan or not, I think anyone would agree that his results make it seem like he's underperformed quite a bit in comparison to his potential, even if you only see that potential as being a couple points more. Maldonado crashed out in Aus and had a slew of problems earlier this year after that, and he's already won a race--it might be Michael's turn sooner than we all think.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 19:21

I'm pretty sure Michael is still up for the job. Of course he's not the same man as he was 20 years ago, but it's not just some driver we are talkin about. This is Michael Schumacher, arguably the best driver F1 has ever seen en defenitly the most succesful driver ever. He's is commited, he's superfit and he can do it no doubt.

I'm feeling sorry for him that he has to drive on these crappy tires, this must be so disappointing for him. Finaly a proper car and than Pirelli supplies him with these stupid shitty show tires. I'm afraid that he's going to throw in the towel at the end of this season, unless next season has a better perspective.


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 20:20

I'm pretty sure Michael is still up for the job. Of course he's not the same man as he was 20 years ago, but it's not just some driver we are talkin about. This is Michael Schumacher, arguably the best driver F1 has ever seen en defenitly the most succesful driver ever. He's is commited, he's superfit and he can do it no doubt.

I'm feeling sorry for him that he has to drive on these crappy tires, this must be so disappointing for him. Finaly a proper car and than Pirelli supplies him with these stupid shitty show tires. I'm afraid that he's going to throw in the towel at the end of this season, unless next season has a better perspective.


poor tyres..getting the blame again..

May he should sit-out this season and wait for next year when he feels the tyres are right for him.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 20:30

poor tyres..getting the blame again..

May he should sit-out this season and wait for next year when he feels the tyres are right for him.

or at least a car that doesn't fail every other week

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 20:34

There is good read in F1 Times on Shumacher. They reckon post-Spain criticism was undeserving.

http://thef1times.co...s/display/06006

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 20:52

5 races. There have been 5 races. MS could have undoubtedly avoid the Senna incident, though, frankly, penalizing it was more due to overeager stewarding in awe of Sir Frank's birthday, than real offence of the sporting directives. It was a racing incident, and would not have happened if Petrov was in Senna's place. Karthikeyan, I am not so sure. But one brainfade, and the dummies surface as usual, crying out for MS to retire, because he lost it. Business as usual. If by the end of the season the NR/MS standings are similar to what we see now, we bid farewell to MS, that's all. It is way way too early to start burying him, apart from his mighty bad-luck streak, he really seems to be on it. The Pirelli farce only means that the 40 points diff in the standings means next to nothing at this stage on the season.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 20:58

There is good read in F1 Times on Shumacher. They reckon post-Spain criticism was undeserving.

http://thef1times.co...s/display/06006


I understand his frustration (who wouldn't) but publicly calling Senna an 'idiot' was uncalled for, when it was clear it's not all Senna's fault.

He should have just kept it for himself or went to the hospitality truck and screamed "idiot!!!" all afternoon LOL!!


#19866 Szoelloe

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 21:10

I understand his frustration (who wouldn't) but publicly calling Senna an 'idiot' was uncalled for, when it was clear it's not all Senna's fault.

He should have just kept it for himself or went to the hospitality truck and screamed "idiot!!!" all afternoon LOL!!


It WAS Senna's fault. Which doesn't make it a less spectacular brainfade from MS's part.


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 23:09

There is good read in F1 Times on Shumacher. They reckon post-Spain criticism was undeserving.

http://thef1times.co...s/display/06006

I've never seen that site, but that's an appallingly bad article.

Schumacher had a chance to challenge Rosberg for a win in China? C'mon.
DRS in Q worth over a second? That's rather optimistic.


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Posted 16 May 2012 - 00:14

I've never seen that site, but that's an appallingly bad article.

Schumacher had a chance to challenge Rosberg for a win in China? C'mon.
DRS in Q worth over a second? That's rather optimistic.


Very biased article indeed....it's kind of unfair and poor assesment of Rosberg vs Schumi..poor Rosberg.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 00:33




That fact Williams and won a race/LOTUS could of won a race and probabley will, doesn't make Mercedes work look concrete yet, if Williams/Lotus/Ferrari can do well, that'x a mixture of teams. China mercedes have done well in the last 3 years, rosbergs better tracks. Schumacher always threatening to have a good albert park/sepang, but he's either been taken out or had merchanical issues.

Schumacher pointed out that some teams have moved forward since testing. If Williams and Ferrari stay or improve. This season is wide reaching, there is no pattern, it's a mess, which means hopefully sooner or later Schumacher's pace will get some results i deserves, but looking at Lotus, they could of won a race by now, this season maybe the most unexpecting/unpredictable of them all in history, and it's the longest season yet.



There will be alot of surprises to come I'm sure.




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Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:32

There is good read in F1 Times on Shumacher. They reckon post-Spain criticism was undeserving.

http://thef1times.co...s/display/06006

I tend to agree with most of what's written. Spain reaction is overblown and the error was less than how it first looked. Senna's early braking on stuffed tyres contributed to Michael's misjudgement as well as a lack of decisiveness in his (Senna's) line. Michael also looked indecisive and unprepared for the pass. He is having a far better season than the results show. He has handled qualifying a little better than previous years at MB but criticism of Rosberg should be deflected to the team - especially if you are going to make similar excuses (valid ones IMHO) for Michael. The team have failed to get a grip on tyre management, but it is interesting that title favourites McLaren are also having their problems in this area. All in all, quite a strange season and we could see some wild shifts of fortune during the year.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:46

Very biased article indeed....it's kind of unfair and poor assesment of Rosberg vs Schumi..poor Rosberg.


You're a very biased reader, I'd say. Nothing untoward has been said about Rosberg. Nothing! It's a very balanced article without the usual hype, pump, glory and bashing.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:55

http://www.bbc.co.uk...r_mediocre.html

Well well. It seems Andrew Benson´s frustration has got the better of him.

Schumacher, the mediocre driver, only hired for publicity. Mercedes having an average car. Yes he takes no prisoners.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:57

http://www.bbc.co.uk...r_mediocre.html

Well well. It seems Andrew Benson´s frustration has got the better of him.

Schumacher, the mediocre driver, only hired for publicity. Mercedes having an average car. Yes he takes no prisoners.


Grudge also fueled by hype knows no bounds indeed.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 02:45

when i want to read weak,pathetic articles..i read AB...talk about clueless

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 03:21

Reading the comments, Benson is getting slaughtered for this latest piece of schumacher-bashfest from his hands by a lot of readers. I thought this comment was appropriate:

"I just get the feeling that this article might be the turning point of Schumacher's season.

"Is Raikkonen worth the risk?" --> The iceman is doing a brilliant job
"How Webber turned tables on Vettel" --> Vettel wins in Bahrain and leads the WDC
"Fresh questions over struggling Schumacher" --> ???

Now I'm backing Schumacher to win the Monaco GP.'




Edited by TheBunk, 16 May 2012 - 03:37.


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Posted 16 May 2012 - 07:04

I've never seen that site, but that's an appallingly bad article.

Schumacher had a chance to challenge Rosberg for a win in China? C'mon.
DRS in Q worth over a second? That's rather optimistic.

Err, you're slamming the article for its reasoning, but you're doing the same (albeit in opposite direction) while pointing out. I don't see any difference between your reasoning and that of article.

I don't fully endorse what is written in that article, but it's good in that it gives some perspective, which has been very skewed after that incident.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:13

Maybe Benson will feel better when Hamilton finally wins a race, and he can go on for weeks how great that win was.;)

Indeed, the opening alone 'Schumachers lacklustre performances for Mercedes' bodes little good for the rest. He backtracks a little later on but overal he paints a very bad image of Michael, while hes doing very good and only this weekend made a mistake. And then calls the 'senior figure' a revelation, while linking that person saing michaels driving being mediocre, suddenly to Mercedes questioning his future. Appallingly bad journalism.

16 days before Senna was confirmed at Williams he also stated that a 'senior figure'' told him Barrichello would stay. Anyway, 400 comments below that article many are calling for Bensons head over this, saying its the worst piece of tabloid they ever read on the BBC.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:58

Maybe Benson will feel better when Hamilton finally wins a race, and he can go on for weeks how great that win was.;)

Indeed, the opening alone 'Schumachers lacklustre performances for Mercedes' bodes little good for the rest. He backtracks a little later on but overal he paints a very bad image of Michael, while hes doing very good and only this weekend made a mistake. And then calls the 'senior figure' a revelation, while linking that person saing michaels driving being mediocre, suddenly to Mercedes questioning his future. Appallingly bad journalism.

16 days before Senna was confirmed at Williams he also stated that a 'senior figure'' told him Barrichello would stay. Anyway, 400 comments below that article many are calling for Bensons head over this, saying its the worst piece of tabloid they ever read on the BBC.


I'd like to know who this 'senior' figure was too because since Japan last year, Schumacher has drove very well. Infact, since 2011 he has been on Nico's pace. Barring bad luck and on track incidents, in terms of pace there is little to seperate both of them.

Benson has always been full of rubbish, it is this type of journalistic drivel, hyperbole and sometimes outright lies that led to the invasion of Iraq and resulted in conflict flames being fanned.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 12:15

I asked him a couple of questions through Twitter, let's see if the man is ready to shine some perspective on this case.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 12:55

Very biased article indeed....it's kind of unfair and poor assesment of Rosberg vs Schumi..poor Rosberg.



It's always easier to blame a driver for the lack of results you know. But you can't expect a neutral view from a Schumacher fan. He even didn't mention the Perez mistake in Melbourne which cost him a sixth place.

Edited by rog, 16 May 2012 - 12:56.


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Posted 16 May 2012 - 13:00

I've never seen that site, but that's an appallingly bad article.

Schumacher had a chance to challenge Rosberg for a win in China? C'mon.
DRS in Q worth over a second? That's rather optimistic.


He lost half a second only in sector 3.

So Michael had no chance to challenge Rosberg? Not even a tiny one, considering we don't know how the other stints would have played out?

It's always easier to blame a driver for the lack of results you know.


Ironic.

Edited by Diablobb81, 16 May 2012 - 13:02.


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Posted 16 May 2012 - 13:16

Maybe Benson will feel better when Hamilton finally wins a race, and he can go on for weeks how great that win was...


That has been apparently taken care off. Message to Hembery: LH deserves a win in Monaco!! :p

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 14:18

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Defamatory remarks are against forum rules. By all means say that you don't like an article, but please do not question the authors parentage.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 14:20

That has been apparently taken care off. Message to Hembery: LH deserves a win in Monaco!! :p


LOL....

Six for six!

For those that are calling MS crazy for criticizing Pirelli, Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz says tyres have turned F1 into a lottery for teams....

Benson is upset that MS stopped English dominance in F1.

DH from being a multiple world champion

DC from being a WDC

Leading to the golden age for Ferrari, and knocking Mclaren off their perch

Having the better of Martin Brundle....

Benson is not even the Pedro Lami of journalists.....



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Posted 16 May 2012 - 14:33

I would say, for example, that Michael Schumacher needs to have a good look at himself and ask difficult questions, rather than saying that the tyres are not good and that Bruno Senna was to blame for the accident between them in Barcelona.


This is what Joe Award is saying HERE

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 14:55

This is what Joe Award is saying HERE


All the elite driver believe that they do no wrong.

Whether it is Senna, Schumacher, Prost, Lauda, etc.....

This notion of the gentleman racer is long gone and perhaps never was.

Schumacher made a mistake. But the stewards have torpedoed Monaco because of a racing accident.



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Posted 16 May 2012 - 16:59

http://www.bbc.co.uk...r_mediocre.html

Well well. It seems Andrew Benson´s frustration has got the better of him.

Schumacher, the mediocre driver, only hired for publicity. Mercedes having an average car. Yes he takes no prisoners.


I think Andrew Benson can do down as one the worst f1 reporters in history. Every article he writes is bias. Never waste time reading anything he writes.

#19888 Sakae

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 18:56

There is good read in F1 Times on Shumacher. They reckon post-Spain criticism was undeserving.

http://thef1times.co...s/display/06006

Well, I will have to change my mind about Brits. Rare as they are, pocket of decency apparently still exists on the island. Fair article in my opinion, but then you read next guy, and you can hold your head in shame for such trash is being published.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 19:18

Vettel defends Schumacher after Senna crash
http://www.yallaf1.c...er-senna-crash/

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 19:19

I think Andrew Benson can do down as one the worst f1 reporters in history. Every article he writes is bias. Never waste time reading anything he writes.


I am really happy that you can read in the comments of the article that a lot of people disagree with his biased approach. Even the biggest Schumacher hater must point out his unlucky season so far. Michael made one mistake and we are talking about a mediocre performance? With luck and the same performance level of Schumacher he maybe would be a championship contender :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 19:23

Benson should be a good mate with Johnny Herbert, both are very bitter men indeed.


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Posted 16 May 2012 - 19:36

“Of course you can always say what is what afterwards,” added Vettel, “just as you can say that it always takes two to tango.”



#19893 schubacca

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 19:50

Pure racing accident plain and simple...

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 19:57

Just finished watching The Flying lap ep.70 - Peter Windsor and Scarbs think it was racing incident. Scarbs say you can't move in braking area. Because you destroy aero stream for the car behind. And braking for the car behind is changed(from normal). But, what they know?

I guess Michael will have new gearbox for Monaco. His car was retired from the race.

Edited by ivand911, 16 May 2012 - 20:01.


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Posted 16 May 2012 - 20:06

Its amazing how similar the crash was to this one;



No penalties or real calls for Webber to retire of course.

Another case I think of a driver miscomunication - trying to get out of the way but instead wrong footing the guy behind who thinks he's pulling a 'racing' type of manouever.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 20:30

Well, even though he's driven well on occasion, his comeback, results-wise, has been mediocre. And that's what people will be looking at down the road. Bad luck or not, tyres or not.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 21:37

Well, even though he's driven well on occasion, his comeback, results-wise, has been mediocre. And that's what people will be looking at down the road. Bad luck or not, tyres or not.

:up: well said!

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 21:46

:up: well said!


It is going to be well said after FA boxes at least 5 titles with Ferrari. Until then, hushhh...

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 21:49

Well, even though he's driven well on occasion, his comeback, results-wise, has been mediocre. And that's what people will be looking at down the road. Bad luck or not, tyres or not.

But not us, because we are sophisticated and knowledgeable fans with an understanding of what actually happened right? Not the sort of people who would look at this year and suggest Michael has been driving less than very well indeed. Only someone who just reads the headlines would be THAT dumb I'm sure.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 21:52

back to back :up: