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#19951 ivand911

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 11:16

Time waits for no man. Michael is doing an excellent job - for a man of his age who had 3 years off. Maybe he brings an enormous wealth of development driving to a team but for sheer speed he hasn't got it. I would speculate also that the Plastic Pirellis favour the old fox who, while struggling for all out pace can use his guile to massage the endurance out of a set of tired tyres! Certainly the old 0.5 gap in qualifying of 2010/11 returned in China where Rosberg looked more like himself. Time will tell in 2012 and I could well be proven wrong but I think normal transmission will be resumed once they get to grips with the Pirellis.

Any proof or just usual crap? What you expect from the guy with 4th fastest car in last two seasons and top 6-7car at the moment? In the best race this year he was going second in Nico best track. In all other tracks he was doing equal or better. What more you want? Was Button catching him in China? NO, guess he have speed. Did he beat Button and Webber in Q at Spain? Small hint for you, car is 93,5% responsible for the thing you call speed. And I guess you hear already they are not going 100% any more and MS is not happy about that. No speed, my ass.

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#19952 Pits

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 11:17

People who say Schumacher is not good enough anymore are totally wrong and haven't looked closer at his racing.
He's been up to speed with Rosberg in 2011, and even a little bit faster. The only reason for Rosberg to have more points in the end is that he had less technical errors.
Same story for 2012 until now, Schumacher has been the quicker man overall, but hasn't had the best of luck to say the least.
People who deny this have no knowledge of F1, simple as that... :wave:

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 11:40

MS is having good time in Le Mans at the moment. Talking with Valentino. MotoGP. Maybe they are talking about MS speed deficit. :rotfl:
He is even presenting the trophy for wining Constructor.

Edited by ivand911, 20 May 2012 - 13:10.


#19954 aditya-now

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 14:01

MS is having good time in Le Mans at the moment. Talking with Valentino. MotoGP. Maybe they are talking about MS speed deficit. :rotfl:
He is even presenting the trophy for wining Constructor.


Valentino and Michael, Casey and Sebastian - how close are the parallels! Would be just awesome Vettel declared his retirement because the F1 of 2012 is not the F1 anymore that he liked.

Also striking is the parallel some 20 years ago, Wayne Rainey and Ayrton Senna. It always made me think.

Will Valentino, will Michael ever win again?


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Posted 20 May 2012 - 15:00

Valentino and Michael, Casey and Sebastian - how close are the parallels! Would be just awesome Vettel declared his retirement because the F1 of 2012 is not the F1 anymore that he liked.

Also striking is the parallel some 20 years ago, Wayne Rainey and Ayrton Senna. It always made me think.

Will Valentino, will Michael ever win again?


Im sure both are still capable of winning again. Just give them what they need and they will win. :up:

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 15:05

Im sure both are still capable of winning again. Just give them what they need and they will win. :up:


I'm not convinced. Maybe if the stars align and circumstances allow either of them could snatch one last win, but I don't see any way either of them are returning to consistent race wins. Both are off their peak, don't have the machinery to do it, and the opposition is too strong.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 15:15

I'm not convinced. Maybe if the stars align and circumstances allow either of them could snatch one last win, but I don't see any way either of them are returning to consistent race wins. Both are off their peak, don't have the machinery to do it, and the opposition is too strong.


We do have different opinions. And yes, i agreed they cannot win anymore on a consistent basis, but that doesnt mean they are not capable anymore of a win. The opposition might be to strong for ms, but i have seen and confident that if michael is confident with the car and is strong enough, he will win undoubtedly. He just needs a perfect weekend just like the past 5 winners.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 15:25

We do have different opinions. And yes, i agreed they cannot win anymore on a consistent basis, but that doesnt mean they are not capable anymore of a win. The opposition might be to strong for ms, but i have seen and confident that if michael is confident with the car and is strong enough, he will win undoubtedly. He just needs a perfect weekend just like the past 5 winners.

I'm not convinced. Maybe if the stars align and circumstances allow either of them could snatch one last win, but I don't see any way either of them are returning to consistent race wins. Both are off their peak, don't have the machinery to do it, and the opposition is too strong.




This is a unique season where I think nobody is going to be as consistent as we've seen from winners in the past. I think this season it is hard for many to look consistent. Schumacher's badluck has been consistent, that's his man worry, and a trend he has to reset by keep on doing what's he's doing, it's a numbers game, in 3 decades of racing Schumahcer has largely overall done well, and his pace does not reflect the points he's gotten, it's just a matter of continue to drive hard and let everything else play out, maybe he was due more badluck, and others will get it at later parts of the season. Schumacher hasn't finished a lbert park race at mercedess, but he's looked good for a result in the past 3 years now, generally the start of seasons haven't gone his way, no more truer then this season so far, but he's driving much better then the early parts of 2010, but the competition is so wide, and lots of have finished, it's sort of masking what Schumacher can do and hopefully soon will.

This is a unique season, and I don't think any of us have seen such unpredictability, and it is the longest season of them all. Our last winner was Williams driver and who would of thought we would see Williams win a race at Spain over Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault, Mclaren, Lotus-Renault etc

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The same situations that have prevented Schumi from doing well, may will play into his hands at some point, and that's relative to all drivers, but when your trying to analyse a season that's not even half a way through and with 5 different winners, iit's pretty clear this season is presenting a challenge that no other season has done so for forumers around the world!

Edited by SeanValen, 20 May 2012 - 15:30.


#19959 aditya-now

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 17:03

This is a unique season, and I don't think any of us have seen such unpredictability, and it is the longest season of them all. Our last winner was Williams driver and who would of thought we would see Williams win a race at Spain over Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault, Mclaren, Lotus-Renault etc


Have you not been around in 1982, Sean?

To me, that season still stands out and it nearly killed me twice with Villeneuve's and Pironi's accidents. Even with these two tops drivers gone, 1982 was a real classic season, and the whole "unpredictability" issue extended well into 1983 (the first five races) as well.

Seasons still keenly remembered, as 2012 will be as well.

Looking at the positives for Schumi, 2012 is exactly the kind of season in which he should score that elusive last win for which he came back. I am quite sure he will not make it to 100 which was the original unofficial goal, yet one win will let Schumi re-retire in all honors. If 2012 provides 11 winners like 1982, how on earth should Schumi manage not to win? Especially as it is the longest season of them all with 20 races versus only 16 races we had back in 1982.


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#19960 Atonal

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 18:59

Have you not been around in 1982, Sean?

To me, that season still stands out and it nearly killed me twice with Villeneuve's and Pironi's accidents. Even with these two tops drivers gone, 1982 was a real classic season, and the whole "unpredictability" issue extended well into 1983 (the first five races) as well.

Seasons still keenly remembered, as 2012 will be as well.

Looking at the positives for Schumi, 2012 is exactly the kind of season in which he should score that elusive last win for which he came back. I am quite sure he will not make it to 100 which was the original unofficial goal, yet one win will let Schumi re-retire in all honors. If 2012 provides 11 winners like 1982, how on earth should Schumi manage not to win? Especially as it is the longest season of them all with 20 races versus only 16 races we had back in 1982.


So Aditya if Schumacher does win,which I doubt to be honest, will you come forward and say it was a victory deserved or shun it away as an abominable 'lottery', an unfair advantage like years gone by :) ? I believe you are very satisfied with the results of the season so far and do think that all were on merit?

#19961 aditya-now

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 19:04

So Aditya if Schumacher does win,which I doubt to be honest, will you come forward and say it was a victory deserved or shun it away as an abominable 'lottery', an unfair advantage like years gone by :) ? I believe you are very satisfied with the results of the season so far and do think that all were on merit?


Hi Atonal,

as I said many times in this 20.000 + thread, I will celebrate a Schumacher victory as the whole pit lane will. Remember Barrichello's so popular victory in 2009 - the whole pit lane was on its feet!

And I guarantee you, if and when Schumi wins, the whole pit lane will be an alley of applauding and cheering people! 2012 is definitely a good and maybe Michael's last chance to score a GP victory.

Regarding the "lottery"-word, please read my latest article at 2012 is no lottery!

Edited by aditya-now, 20 May 2012 - 19:08.


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Posted 20 May 2012 - 19:10

Have you not been around in 1982, Sean?

To me, that season still stands out and it nearly killed me twice with Villeneuve's and Pironi's accidents. Even with these two tops drivers gone, 1982 was a real classic season, and the whole "unpredictability" issue extended well into 1983 (the first five races) as well.

Seasons still keenly remembered, as 2012 will be as well.

Looking at the positives for Schumi, 2012 is exactly the kind of season in which he should score that elusive last win for which he came back. I am quite sure he will not make it to 100 which was the original unofficial goal, yet one win will let Schumi re-retire in all honors. If 2012 provides 11 winners like 1982, how on earth should Schumi manage not to win? Especially as it is the longest season of them all with 20 races versus only 16 races we had back in 1982.


We had 11 winners in 1982???? :eek: WOW!

#19963 puxanando

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 19:49

Reading HERE in this thread seems reading in a history-book :cat:

#19964 baddog

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 19:58

I would not have Michael Schumacher in the top 10 of F1 drivers at any time in 2010, 2011 or the crazy opening paragraphs of 2012.

Michael has EASILY been in the top 10 drivers for the entire last 3 years, and to say otherwise just means you are not even watching with any kind of effort. This year he has been a lot better than that. Glad to know where you are coming from though, thanks for the clarification.

#19965 ivand911

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 20:01

I think that MS and Valentino can win again. In Valentino case it is even easier. Today result(2nd place) should prove that. I also think that MS was going for podium in China. They just need better machinery, also MS need some racing tyres. I watch today MotoGP and DTM and I didn't see such headache like Pirelli 2012. I saw real racing tyres. It is sad what F1 became. Tyre management exercise.

Edited by ivand911, 20 May 2012 - 20:03.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 00:06

Michael has EASILY been in the top 10 drivers for the entire last 3 years


Yeah, but at the end of the day it's the results that count and so far he's been sorely lacking.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 00:16

Yeah, but at the end of the day it's the results that count and so far he's been sorely lacking.


If "You are only as good as your last race" was ever true then a whole slew of so-called legends would be considered subpar. Guess what - they're not.

Also, what the **** was that move on Hamilton all about, Michael.

Edited by Pamphlet, 21 May 2012 - 00:16.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 00:25

I think that MS and Valentino can win again. In Valentino case it is even easier. Today result(2nd place) should prove that. I also think that MS was going for podium in China. They just need better machinery, also MS need some racing tyres. I watch today MotoGP and DTM and I didn't see such headache like Pirelli 2012. I saw real racing tyres. It is sad what F1 became. Tyre management exercise.

Right in what you say Ivan, in that Vale looked really racey today. For sure he could win on that bike in the wet where it seems to excel. Like Michael could win in the crazy 2012 Pirelli lottery if his teammate doesn't beat him. Nico aced it in Shanghai not two ways about that but he has been strangely out of sorts at some races this year. I think Michael's experience has perhaps helped him when the car has been at it's most difficult in terms of race setup. Under normal racing though I don't think Michael is better than a 1:50 to win.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 00:54

Right in what you say Ivan, in that Vale looked really racey today. For sure he could win on that bike in the wet where it seems to excel. Like Michael could win in the crazy 2012 Pirelli lottery if his teammate doesn't beat him. Nico aced it in Shanghai not two ways about that but he has been strangely out of sorts at some races this year. I think Michael's experience has perhaps helped him when the car has been at it's most difficult in terms of race setup. Under normal racing though I don't think Michael is better than a 1:50 to win.


By all means, Michael still has it in him. Canada and Spa 2011 spring to mind.

Edited by Pamphlet, 21 May 2012 - 00:55.


#19970 ali_M

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:09

By all means, Michael still has it in him. Canada and Spa 2011 spring to mind.


Don't forget Monza 2011. I was astonished at the fight in him there. A lot of controversy, yes, but it was then that his motivation and skill were confirmed for me still to be quite there. Once he smells a very good result, he tends to come into his own and perform that much better.

Edited by ali_M, 21 May 2012 - 02:50.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:42

I hope he does well at Monaco.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 02:04

Don't forget Monza 2011. I was astonished at the fight in him there. A lot of controversy, yes, but it was then that his motivation and skill was confirmed for me still to be quite there. Once he smells a very good result, he tends to come into his own and perform that much better.

Does this mean the old magic is still there, lying below the surface waiting to be rekindled? Just curious.....
Certainly Rossi at 33 turned back the clock yesterday with a fine ride which had been long overdue. His bad days - a bit like Michael - seem to be more common.
If I was honest I haven't been that impressed with Rosberg this year (inconsistent) apart from China of course which was really top shelf.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 02:48

Right in what you say Ivan, in that Vale looked really racey today. For sure he could win on that bike in the wet where it seems to excel. Like Michael could win in the crazy 2012 Pirelli lottery if his teammate doesn't beat him. Nico aced it in Shanghai not two ways about that but he has been strangely out of sorts at some races this year. I think Michael's experience has perhaps helped him when the car has been at it's most difficult in terms of race setup. Under normal racing though I don't think Michael is better than a 1:50 to win.


I think MSC fans will have to wait for Canada for an eventual shot at the win.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:26

Having just watched skys f1 show where they showed him committing an act of road rage, I was shocked at his driving, with all his experience he should know better and show by example.
I think the frustration is starting to get at him just look at the crash in the race,
Its time to hang up you helmet for good Michael while you still have a reputation.

Edited by cdracer, 21 May 2012 - 09:26.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:28

Having just watched skys f1 show where they showed him committing an act of road rage, I was shocked at his driving, with all his experience he should know better and show by example.
I think the frustration is starting to get at him just look at the crash in the race,
Its time to hang up you helmet for good Michael while you still have a reputation.


Niki Lauda? Is that you? :lol:

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:36

Having just watched skys f1 show where they showed him committing an act of road rage, I was shocked at his driving

Slowing down as someone passes you (without any danger) and waving a hand at them is the most laughably mild case of road rage I ever heard of.. maybe you need to watch some OLD races to get a little perspective.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:38

I think even with 5 places penalty, there is chance to do some nice things in Monaco, especially with these tyres, i think we have 4 stopper.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:40

I think the frustration is starting to get at him just look at the crash in the race,
Its time to hang up you helmet for good Michael while you still have a reputation.


I agree. Him trying to pass Bruno was clumsy and poor judgement. Maybe he will get some luck in Monaco to turn this around.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:43

I hope he does well at Monaco.

He needs to, read the Paul Di Resta thread.


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#19980 Raelene

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:48

sounds like it will be Michael's decision - not Mercedes....and considering the way the Mercedes have been stuffing him up - more than him letting them down - then can't say I'd blame Michael for leaving at the end of the year

if Michael were to decide he didn't want to continue


seems some have a lot of wishful thinking after ONE poor performance from MSC this year

#19981 Hacklerf

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:53

If the dont renew Schumi contract at the end of the year, i would love to see him rock up at Red bull with his mate Seb

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:55

Or even in for Massa at his home, Ferrari

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:07

Slowing down as someone passes you (without any danger) and waving a hand at them is the most laughably mild case of road rage I ever heard of.. maybe you need to watch some OLD races to get a little perspective.


You might be onto something here. :)

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:20

I hope he will take his ex-teammate and leave f-1. they wont shame themselves anymore.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:43

Having just watched skys f1 show where they showed him committing an act of road rage, I was shocked at his driving, with all his experience he should know better and show by example.
I think the frustration is starting to get at him just look at the crash in the race,
Its time to hang up you helmet for good Michael while you still have a reputation.


Please, don't be drugged/duped by the media sensationalism. Give the media some time with you and you'd be surprised what they'd turn YOU into.... YES YOU!!. :lol:

Make up your own mind ... watch the whole thing. Look at the entire person through the entire episode. See buildup, see context, see aftermath. Look with an open mind. DO NOT be judgmental... we've all been there.

Don't watch selective footage and commentary from one of MANY network sports channels looking for ways to maintain/increase viewership. These channels provide great live footage, but don't let them draw you into their sensationalism.

Edited by ali_M, 21 May 2012 - 11:00.


#19986 Longtimefan

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:54

I think he would have done really well at Monaco but that crazy and totally unjust penalty has ruined his race before it starts.



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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:13

The article with PDR is rather unfortunate, unnecessary and premature, if it is really up to Michael to decide on his future with the team. It will fuel a lot of redundant speculations, and make his life just more difficult, as psychological pressure in the paddock from media will undoubtedly increase. I am not PDR fan, I love Mercedes brand, and I wish they would make a different choice altogether. There is no decision regarding CA as far as public is concern, but should they stay, I hope Michael will continue.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:17

I think he would have done really well at Monaco but that crazy and totally unjust penalty has ruined his race before it starts.



Spanish stewards at Monaco 2006, started from the pitlane. The penality deserved 10 place drop at best.


Monaco 2010, robbed of 4th place points for a legal overtake on Alonso at the end. Brawn and Schumacher idendified a area of the rules and exploited it, the penality never made sense.

Monaco 5 place drop by Spanish stewards-Monaco 2012
Schumacher's merchanical DNF from Monaco 2011

FIA and technical issues have been Schumacher's competitors more so then f1 drivers at Monaco in past 3 years. Driving wise he's been solid there and pretty much has for 3 decades!

Edited by SeanValen, 21 May 2012 - 11:18.


#19989 ali_M

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:18

I think he would have done really well at Monaco but that crazy and totally unjust penalty has ruined his race before it starts.


I'd say arguably unjust and not totally. I'm an avid Schumacher fan... though not one of the 'he can do no wrong' types. :)

I can see where they'd come down on him for that. He was a bit overenthusiastic there and got himself into an unnecessary bind. I shook my head when I saw it happen since my immediate reaction was that it seemed avoidable, even though Senna was up to stuff. I didn't take that one at all in the same way that I took his Malaysia early race incident.

I guess the point of the collision being unnecessary was the reason for the penalty. It was not at all unlike Singapore last year, i.e., problems with the car in front; but you know.... I still couldn't help but feel it was definitely avoidable.

Of course, I'd not make a wholesale attack on his race craft and driving ability over the incident. I don't see the point in that... may as well we do that with Hamilton after last years and other messups on his part. At the end of the day, I'm happy that Michael is enthusiastic about achieving on track .... the enthusiasm will pay off in some instances and lead to what happened last race in other instances. Hopefully, they pay off more than they go sour.

He, like Hamilton last year, has a balance to make so that these ontrack incidents are minimised. He needs a bit of Kimi but not too much. :) It's quite notable that Hamilton's pace and driving ability were never really in question last year. It was all his mental application. This is how I'd judge Michael's Barcelona incident. Not an issue of driving ability, but one of mental application on the spur of the moment because of overenthusiasm and so much wanting to achieve.

I feel for him and wish for him to do well next race. I think he deserves a good result at this juncture.

Edited by ali_M, 21 May 2012 - 11:21.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:26

Please, don't be drugged/duped by the media sensationalism. Give the media some time with you and you'd be surprised what they'd turn YOU into.... YES YOU!!. :lol:

Make up your own mind ... watch the whole thing. Look at the entire person through the entire episode. See buildup, see context, see aftermath. Look with an open mind. DO NOT be judgmental... we've all been there.

Don't watch selective footage and commentary from one of MANY network sports channels looking for ways to maintain/increase viewership. These channels provide great live footage, but don't let them draw you into their sensationalism.


Have done that and still think he was a total idiot that weekend. He is lucky that the only real punishment is the 5 place grid drop. In the incident with LH there was a real risk of collision and personally I think he got off very lightly with that one.

#19991 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:28

I think he would have done really well at Monaco but that crazy and totally unjust penalty has ruined his race before it starts.


There is nothing unjust about the penalty.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:30

Schumacher caused another driver to DNF the race.

Shouldn't he get a penalty :confused:

People want to turn F1 into NASCAR. :down:

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:35

Please, don't be drugged/duped by the media sensationalism. Give the media some time with you and you'd be surprised what they'd turn YOU into.... YES YOU!!. :lol:


Kinda like the sensationalism that goes on around here.......

#19994 Sakae

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:44

I can see where they'd come down on him for that. He was a bit overenthusiastic there and got himself into an unnecessary bind. I shook my head when I saw it happen since my immediate reaction was that it seemed avoidable, even though Senna was up to stuff...

I would challenge that for accuracy. Whilst Senna had right to block approaching car, one can argue that it was incompetent move on his part, since in large picture Mercedes was carrying far more speed, Schumacher was very close, and to change line for him after Senna's block was all too little too late. I think some poster expect Schumacher to stop racing, and just drive around perhaps on safe side, but for more racing oriented mind one must see that physical conditions of the situation speak rather about avoidable accident had Senna kept his line, and from that perspective it makes Schumacher's grid penalty in Monaco so much more painful, as it is utterly undeserved. For me this is one in series of incidents in which I see that a driver who can go wheel to wheel without any problems in speed approaching 300 km per hour with people like Prost, DC, Hakinnen, or even some of the current drivers, yet when he gets into proximity of people like Senna, Petrov, and alike, his race almost inevitably ends fifty laps prematurely.

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#19995 ivand911

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:49

Have done that and still think he was a total idiot that weekend. He is lucky that the only real punishment is the 5 place grid drop. In the incident with LH there was a real risk of collision and personally I think he got off very lightly with that one.

You were not crying when Lewis didn't give him way in the same lap and ruined MS fast lap. He decided to stay there and not to give MS space to pass. He get reprimand , what more you want?


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:54

I would challenge that for accuracy. Whilst Senna had right to block approaching car, one can argue that it was incompetent move on his part, since in large picture Mercedes was carrying far more speed, Schumacher was very close, and to change line for him after Senna's block was all too little too late. I think some poster expect Schumacher to stop racing, and just drive around perhaps on safe side, but for more racing oriented mind one must see that physical conditions of the situation speak rather about avoidable accident had Senna kept his line, and from that perspective it makes Schumacher's grid penalty in Monaco so much more painful, as it is utterly undeserved. For me this is one in series of incidents where I see that a driver who can go wheel to wheel in speed approaching 300 km per hour with people like Prost, DC, Hakinnen, or even some of the current drivers, yet when he gets into proximity people like Senna, Petrov, and alike, his race almost inevitably ends fifty laps prematurely.


I know why a fan might feel that the penalty was unfair but really speaking - what else could it have been?

Schumi did spoil the race of a driver whose teammate went on to win (so Senna could ve finished with some decent points) ... and it was an awkward move from Schumi as well - not just Senna.

Since Schumi hit him from the back , he had more say in avoiding the incident - plain and simple. Since Schumi DNFed , he cant be given a time penalty and the only way around is a grid penalty ...

While I m not a fan of carrying penalties to next race weekends , there had to be some punishment and he got the lighter grid penalty (5 places) - so fair in my book.
The only unlucky bit is the next race is Monaco where grid penalty means more of a disadvantage!!

Edited by flyer121, 21 May 2012 - 11:56.


#19997 jj2728

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:56

For me this is one in series of incidents where I see that a driver who can go wheel to wheel in speed approaching 300 km per hour with people like Prost, DC, Hakinnen, or even some of the current drivers, yet when he gets into proximity people like Senna, Petrov, and alike, his race almost inevitably ends fifty laps prematurely.


Well, he ran into the back of DC too.....
His fault in Spain plain and simple and no amount of 'spin' is gonna change that. It was a boneheaded move on Schumacher's part. The stewards saw it that way and hence the 5 place grid penalty.

#19998 sharo

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:57

Without much effort my memory gives me an example of Webber crashing Hamilton out or Webber flying over Kovalainen. No 5 grid penalty AFAIK.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:05

Without much effort my memory gives me an example of Webber crashing Hamilton out or Webber flying over Kovalainen. No 5 grid penalty AFAIK.

Yes, but... did them called the other driver "idiot" :p

5 grid penalty for cursing  ;)

Edited by IceSkyrim, 21 May 2012 - 12:08.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:10

Without much effort my memory gives me an example of Webber crashing Hamilton out or Webber flying over Kovalainen. No 5 grid penalty AFAIK.


Webber flying may be comparabe but he provided the only spectacle in that otherwise boring race , so Stewards may have let him off :). Plus Kova wasnt about to finish in points anyway.

But I wonder when Webber crashed Hamilton out without it being a 50 50 fault allocation ?