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#20001 Sakae

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:15

Well, he ran into the back of DC too.....
His fault in Spain plain and simple and no amount of 'spin' is gonna change that. It was a boneheaded move on Schumacher's part. The stewards saw it that way and hence the 5 place grid penalty.

You of course reffering to Spa incident. Just bringing that up perhaps say more about you than Schumacher, because by now I thought whole racing community understood what happened on that day.

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#20002 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:22

You were not crying when Lewis didn't give him way in the same lap and ruined MS fast lap. He decided to stay there and not to give MS space to pass. He get reprimand , what more you want?


It's practise, it wasn't a deliberate block, it might of knocked a few tenths off of the clock, but importantly was of no danger whatsoever. Contrast that to MS's actions where he deliberately short cuts the circuit to ensure he gets in front of LH, and then sits on the exit of the corner causing a real risk of collision. Just plain stupid driving from the driver who is the most experienced on the grid. Personally I think he deserved a race ban for those actions.

#20003 IceSkyrim

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:23

But I wonder when Webber crashed Hamilton out without it being a 50 50 fault allocation ?

Australia 2011 ?

#20004 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:25

Without much effort my memory gives me an example of Webber crashing Hamilton out or Webber flying over Kovalainen. No 5 grid penalty AFAIK.


HK incident is comparable, but when did MW cause a race ending crash with LH?


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:34

HK incident is comparable, but when did MW cause a race ending crash with LH?

Singapore 2010.

Well, he ran into the back of DC too.....
His fault in Spain plain and simple and no amount of 'spin' is gonna change that. It was a boneheaded move on Schumacher's part. The stewards saw it that way and hence the 5 place grid penalty.

You say stewards are the ultimate source of truth and wisdom? You can do better than that :stoned:

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:37

You of course reffering to Spa incident. Just bringing that up perhaps say more about you than Schumacher, because by now I thought whole racing community understood what happened on that day.


Just what exactly does that say about me? You said that he raced at 300kph next to the likes of Prost, DC and Mika inferring that there were no issues or incidents with them, yet he has trouble with so called 'lesser' drivers.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:39

Singapore 2010.

You say stewards are the ultimate source of truth and wisdom? You can do better than that :stoned:


I said, the stewards saw it that way and nothing more and I agree with them.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:41

Based on recent precedent the penalty was more or less inevitable. I don't personally like penalties for such errors, thinking they should be reserved for insane 'made to fail' overtaking stabs and very harsh cutoffs coming out of corners etc, but that's the game these days.

#20009 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:45

Singapore 2010.

You say stewards are the ultimate source of truth and wisdom? You can do better than that :stoned:


That wasn't a bonehead move by MW or one that he could rightly be held to blame for.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:52

Based on recent precedent the penalty was more or less inevitable. I don't personally like penalties for such errors, thinking they should be reserved for insane 'made to fail' overtaking stabs and very harsh cutoffs coming out of corners etc, but that's the game these days.

Then again... Nico managed to get a clean pass over Senna, Grosjean enforced his way by the cost of a frong wing piece.

Schumacher was held by Senna for an entire lap. Schumy saw Nico and Groo getting away and felt the despair to be left behind and took desperate measures.

Then again... if Nico can, why can't Schumacher ?

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:03

It's practise, it wasn't a deliberate block, it might of knocked a few tenths off of the clock, but importantly was of no danger whatsoever. Contrast that to MS's actions where he deliberately short cuts the circuit to ensure he gets in front of LH, and then sits on the exit of the corner causing a real risk of collision. Just plain stupid driving from the driver who is the most experienced on the grid. Personally I think he deserved a race ban for those actions.

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#20012 ali_M

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:09

I would challenge that for accuracy. Whilst Senna had right to block approaching car, one can argue that it was incompetent move on his part, since in large picture Mercedes was carrying far more speed, Schumacher was very close, and to change line for him after Senna's block was all too little too late. I think some poster expect Schumacher to stop racing, and just drive around perhaps on safe side, but for more racing oriented mind one must see that physical conditions of the situation speak rather about avoidable accident had Senna kept his line, and from that perspective it makes Schumacher's grid penalty in Monaco so much more painful, as it is utterly undeserved. For me this is one in series of incidents in which I see that a driver who can go wheel to wheel without any problems in speed approaching 300 km per hour with people like Prost, DC, Hakinnen, or even some of the current drivers, yet when he gets into proximity of people like Senna, Petrov, and alike, his race almost inevitably ends fifty laps prematurely.


There's a certain thing called defensive driving and this applies both in racing as well as on public roads. In such a situation, he's clearly taking a risk by utterly depending on Senna to do the right thing in a very tight situation. A small modicum of leeway should be left for the driver in front not doing the right thing. This is why you see so many times a driver backs off when attempting a pass. Why? Committing to an attempt at a pass in so many situations is just too risky for both. To make it worse, Schumi was coming from behind. The result is that Schumacher runs right in the back of the Senna, ruining Senna's race and his, of course. It's really only in exceptional circumstances that a driver can run squarely into the back of another driver and not be held liable for it. I don't think this was one of them.

Schumi, Hamilton and Montoya are all quite similar. They can be spectacular overtakers when it works out. However, they'll be the ones to have many ontrack incidents. A. Senna was another to have many ontrack incidents. This is a side effect of what makes them special. However, the penalties will come too. Just be ready for them. Ask Lewis about it. :)

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:19

http://www.bbc.co.uk...r_mediocre.html

Well well. It seems Andrew Benson´s frustration has got the better of him.

Schumacher, the mediocre driver, only hired for publicity. Mercedes having an average car. Yes he takes no prisoners.


Hi Andrew :wave: Another column shot down by Merc boss about Schumachers future!

He needs to, read the Paul Di Resta thread.


I did. And the actual quote from Nick fry is: 'if Michael were to decide he didn't want to continue'. So, its up to Michael, no Di Resta, or Mercedes.

Nice vote of confidence from the team. :up:



#20014 ali_M

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:20

It's practise, it wasn't a deliberate block, it might of knocked a few tenths off of the clock, but importantly was of no danger whatsoever. Contrast that to MS's actions where he deliberately short cuts the circuit to ensure he gets in front of LH, and then sits on the exit of the corner causing a real risk of collision. Just plain stupid driving from the driver who is the most experienced on the grid. Personally I think he deserved a race ban for those actions.


You're way too emotional. Get a hold of yourself man. :well:

You know where emotions get you. Here you are, being so judgmental of emotional behaviour and then you do the very same yourself.

Schumi was upset and reacted in the heat of the moment. You're behind your keyboard and in a warm chair. You'll see things far more clearly if you calm down.

A race ban? :stoned:

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:26

Just what exactly does that say about me? You said that he raced at 300kph next to the likes of Prost, DC and Mika inferring that there were no issues or incidents with them, yet he has trouble with so called 'lesser' drivers.


Some of you can write the darndest things. I agree with Sakae. For you to bring up Schumi's collision with DC at Spa 1998 the way you did utterly kills your credibility for me. Not that you had much before, but I now can confirm your attitude towards Schumi. Toodle-doo..... :down:

Edited by ali_M, 21 May 2012 - 17:02.


#20016 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:30

You're way too emotional. Get a hold of yourself man. :well:

You know where emotions get you. Here you are, being so judgmental of emotional behaviour and then you do the very same yourself.

Schumi was upset and reacted in the heat of the moment. You're behind your keyboard and in a warm chair. You'll see things far more clearly if you calm down.

A race ban? :stoned:


Rubbish. I'm perfectly calm. The incident wasn't even shown live, and that's when emotions would be high. What I saw was highly dangerous and I don't care how upset you think MS was, there is no place for those sort of actions and they should not be tolerated in anyway. A race ban would not have been out of order.

#20017 Diablobb81

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:31

It's practise, it wasn't a deliberate block, it might of knocked a few tenths off of the clock, but importantly was of no danger whatsoever. Contrast that to MS's actions where he deliberately short cuts the circuit to ensure he gets in front of LH, and then sits on the exit of the corner causing a real risk of collision. Just plain stupid driving from the driver who is the most experienced on the grid. Personally I think he deserved a race ban for those actions.


Except that :
- you don't know what Lewis was thinking and doing, since we don't know what happened before Michael reacted.
- he didn't sit on the corner, just slowed down (probably he just wanted to ruin Lewis' next lap)
- there was no risk of collision whatsoever. Immature, certainly. Dangerous, no.

You ask for a race ban without having even half the info. They went to stewards, gave their opinions and Michael was penalized. From a reprimand to a race ban is a long way.

Edited by Diablobb81, 21 May 2012 - 13:33.


#20018 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:33

Except that :
- you don't know what Lewis was thinking and doing, since we don't know what happened before Michael reacted. True, but I don't believe it was a deliberate move
- he didn't sit on the corner, just slowed down (probably he just wanted to ruin Lewis' next lap) You can call it what you like, but he positioned himself on the corner exit
- there was no risk of collision whatsoever Disagree



#20019 Diablobb81

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:36

So explain why you believe there was a risk of collision. It wasn't at high speed, Lewis could see Michael from a long way and when rejoining Michael didn't do unpredictable maneuvers (i.e. accelerate and brake hard). This wasn't even a brake test.

Edited by Diablobb81, 21 May 2012 - 13:38.


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#20020 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:37

So explain why you believe there was a risk of collision. It wasn't at high speed and Lewis could see Michael from a long way. This wasn't even a brake test.


Really? You can't work that one out for yourself?


#20021 Diablobb81

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:39

Really? You can't work that one out for yourself?


No. Give your reasons (if you have any). I gave mine.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:40

Clatter:

- He didnt position himself on the exit of the corner

- He wasnt on the apex of the corner

- He wasnt on the racing line

- The sky commentator said Hamilton didnt 'flinch' (or something like that)

- The onboard showed Hamilton didnt lift or took evasive action

And im suprised at such a reaction from you. Calling for a race ban. Bit over the top, isnt it?

#20023 Diablobb81

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:42

Some of you can write the darndest things. I agree with Sakae. For you to being up Schumi's collision with DC at Spa 1998 the way you did utterly kills your credibility for me. Not that you had much before, but I now can confirm your attitude towards Schumi. Toodle-doo..... :down:


Actually that's the second time in a week or so when he blamed Michael for Spa. Nothing new here.

#20024 sharo

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:45

It seems many posters are very poor road drivers, or ... just hypocritical ...

Nothing extraordinary happened. In fact young and promising Schumacher got quite a dose of deliberate impeding by Senna, Berger and the likes during practice sessions (which counted for qualifying back then). And when he tried to complain to the media, got a lecture from Senna about man to man conversations. Lewis played smart ass, Michael returned the gesture.

Edited by sharo, 21 May 2012 - 13:46.


#20025 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:47

Clatter:

- He didnt position himself on the exit of the corner

- He wasnt on the apex of the corner

- He wasnt on the racing line

- The sky commentator said Hamilton didnt 'flinch' (or something like that)

- The onboard showed Hamilton didnt lift or took evasive action

And im suprised at such a reaction from you. Calling for a race ban. Bit over the top, isnt it?


It was an absolute deliberate move that I believe warrants a harsh penalty. No driver should ever believe driving like that is correct and expect just a tap on the wrist for it.

#20026 sharo

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:48

It was an absolute deliberate move that I believe warrants a harsh penalty. No driver should ever believe driving like that is correct and expect just a tap on the wrist for it.

Are you a traffic policeman?
You sound like one. :)

#20027 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:49

It seems many posters are very poor road drivers, or ... just hypocritical ...

Nothing extraordinary happened. In fact young and promising Schumacher got quite a dose of deliberate impeding by Senna, Berger and the likes during practice sessions (which counted for qualifying back then). And when he tried to complain to the media, got a lecture from Senna about man to man conversations. Lewis played smart ass, Michael returned the gesture.


When did a practise session ever count towards qualifying since MS has been driving?

#20028 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:49

Are you a traffic policeman?
You sound like one. :)


Nope, and were talking about the racetrack not the road.


#20029 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:51

No. Give your reasons (if you have any). I gave mine.


I already have and you have said you don't agree with them. That's fine, but don't then try and play games and pretend I haven't.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:52

It was an absolute deliberate move that I believe warrants a harsh penalty. No driver should ever believe driving like that is correct and expect just a tap on the wrist for it.


He only wanted to show he was angry, thats all imo. As I said, from the onboard it didnt look like Hamilton had any problem with it or had to alter his line. Schumacher should know better and got a reprimand. That should be the end of it.

I remember Juan Pablo Montoya doing something in the Monaco tunnel. Now that was a much more clear case of someone doing something very dangerous. Or Hamilton himself, last year at the Hungaroring. I never heard you ask for a race ban then.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:55

I did. And the actual quote from Nick fry is: 'if Michael were to decide he didn't want to continue'. So, its up to Michael, no Di Resta, or Mercedes.

Nice vote of confidence from the team. :up:



Actually, I'd say that's a pretty obvious hint that they are asking MS to do the dignified thing and hang up his helmet. They're hardly going to come out in public and say 'We don't know if we want to keep Michael', but notable is the lack of 'we very much hope Michael will stay.' I think it's clear that Mercedes patience is up but for PR reasons they can'tbe too open about it.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:55

I already have and you have said you don't agree with them. That's fine, but don't then try and play games and pretend I haven't.


You gave no reasons for why you are saying that there was a risk of collision. You just stated your opinion while i gave you arguments why there was no risk (too slow, too far apart, too predictable).

Edited by Diablobb81, 21 May 2012 - 13:56.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 14:01

Some of you can write the darndest things. I agree with Sakae. For you to being up Schumi's collision with DC at Spa 1998 the way you did utterly kills your credibility for me. Not that you had much before, but I now can confirm your attitude towards Schumi. Toodle-doo..... :down:


Rubbish. Read the race report from Spa 1998. Schumacher almost did the same thing to Salo. Sakea said that Schumacher was able to race at 300 kph with the likes of Prost, DC and Mika and I only said he did the same impetous thing to DC at Spa that he did to Senna in Spain. It was a comparison nothing more. I'm neither pro or con with regards to Schumacher. If you'd take the time to read what I've said in the past you'd note that my views on him are just that, neither pro nor con. You talk down to others as if your pontifical views were so far above the rest, when I see you as not much more than one of the Schumacher fan club who clambers to his defense when others have a different view point. Talk about lack of credibility......

Edited by jj2728, 21 May 2012 - 15:03.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 14:02

Actually, I'd say that's a pretty obvious hint that they are asking MS to do the dignified thing and hang up his helmet. They're hardly going to come out in public and say 'We don't know if we want to keep Michael', but notable is the lack of 'we very much hope Michael will stay.' I think it's clear that Mercedes patience is up but for PR reasons they can'tbe too open about it.


It wouldnt make sense at all.

First of all Schumacher is driving very well this year. Last weekend was his first mistake.

Secondly, it remains to be seen whether Di Resta can match Rosberg.

Thirdly, considering his close ties with Brawn, giving 'obvious hints' to the press doesnt make any sense at all. They either back him or they dont.

Fry says that it depends whether Schumacher wants to continue, then that is the way it should be understood.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 14:02

When did a practise session ever count towards qualifying since MS has been driving?



Nope, and were talking about the racetrack not the road.

1. When they had two sessions on Friday and Saturday, best time taken.
2. You are confusing racetrack with road driving. In the latter even people with disabilities drive cars. In the former - supposedly the best of the best so a car at some 50-70 meters ahead is not a problem.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 14:37

Last two years, Monaco weekend didn't finish well. So , I don't see how will be different this time. Especially with 5+. Rain could help this time.

Edited by ivand911, 21 May 2012 - 14:50.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 14:46

Rubbish. Read the race report from Spa 1998. Schumacher almost did the same thing to Sato. Sakea said that Schumacher was able to race at 300 kph with the likes of Prost, DC and Mika and I only said he did the same impetous thing to DC at Spa that he did to Senna in Spain. It was a comparison nothing more. I'm neither pro or con with regards to Schumacher. If you'd take the time to read what I've said in the past you'd note that my views on him are just that, neither pro nor con. You talk down to others as if your pontifical views were so far above the rest, when I see you as not much more than one of the Schumacher fan club who clambers to his defense when others have a different view point. Talk about lack of credibility......


Sorry jj2728, sometimes you get a rough deal in this thread, but not this time.

Spa 1998 has been done to death, DC himself has admitted he made a decision that he now regrets, it was his responsibility. It wasn't deliberately aimed at taking MS out, but he did ease off in the wet, barely off the racing line which is what caused the accident. Additionally, he was a lap behind. There is NO similarity between that & Spain 2012 other than MS was involved.

Not sure where Sato comes into it, I'll assume it was a typo and move on.

#20038 Sakae

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 14:47

Fry says that it depends whether Schumacher wants to continue, then that is the way it should be understood.

I think that remark is lost on people who consider Schumacher unbeaten record as a thorn in their side. They prefer to read this as it suits them. You can't beat him in records, thus you smuge his reputation. It's a shame.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 15:02

Not sure where Sato comes into it, I'll assume it was a typo and move on.


Typo on my part, I meant Salo.

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#20040 ivand911

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#20041 ForeverF1

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 15:49

Posts deleted. Again, discuss the post and not the poster. Thanks.

#20042 SeanValen

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 16:02

I'm a little surprised no one has posted these quotes by Ralf:

http://www.espnstar....p-podium-dream/

"But for sure, Michael came back to celebrate successes with Mercedes. And until he succeeds, he will not give up.

"I still see a lot of fire in Michael.

"He is pushing hard, as we saw as recently as Mugello last week."


"I think we will see Michael on the podium soon," he insisted.

"At some point, there surely comes a point when the body can't do it any more. But when I look at Michael, that's still a few years away.

"I certainly won't be racing as long as he has!"


I gotta agree with Ralf. And if you look at Schumacher and compare him to when he came back in 2010, he looks a bit more slimmer and shall I say youngish. If it wasn't for the tyres, the mercedes technical issues, wheel nut pit issues, fia insane penalities, the pirelli unforseen tyre lottery, all this chaos in the first 5 races that has basicially interfered with us seeing Michael very prepared for the season, hopefully it can start sometime for him.


:smoking:

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#20043 Sakae

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 16:06

I'm a little surprised no one has posted these quotes by Ralf:

http://www.espnstar....p-podium-dream/

"But for sure, Michael came back to celebrate successes with Mercedes. And until he succeeds, he will not give up.

"I still see a lot of fire in Michael.

"He is pushing hard, as we saw as recently as Mugello last week."


"I think we will see Michael on the podium soon," he insisted.

"At some point, there surely comes a point when the body can't do it any more. But when I look at Michael, that's still a few years away.

"I certainly won't be racing as long as he has!"


I gotta agree with Ralf. And if you look at Schumacher and compare him to when he came back in 2010, he looks a bit more slimmer and shall I say youngish. If it wasn't for the tyres, the mercedes technical issues, wheel nut pit issues, fia insane penalities, the pirelli unforseen tyre lottery, all this chaos in the first 5 races that has basicially interered with us seeing Michael very prepared for the season, hopefully it can start sometime for him. :smoking:

I see it the same way as Ralf.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 16:25

People who say Schumacher is not good enough anymore are totally wrong and haven't looked closer at his racing.
He's been up to speed with Rosberg in 2011, and even a little bit faster. The only reason for Rosberg to have more points in the end is that he had less technical errors.
Same story for 2012 until now, Schumacher has been the quicker man overall, but hasn't had the best of luck to say the least.
People who deny this have no knowledge of F1, simple as that... :wave:

While some people go over the top saying Schumacher is under performing these past 2 seasons clearly some people go the other way as well, dimissing Schumacher losing out to Rosberg last season because of technical errors seems to gloss over many self inflicted accidents caused by Schumacher himself. Also i dont see how Schumacher has been quicker than Rosberg this season for the most part its been close but when it mattered the most Rosberg made it count.

Valentino and Michael, Casey and Sebastian - how close are the parallels! Would be just awesome Vettel declared his retirement because the F1 of 2012 is not the F1 anymore that he liked.

Also striking is the parallel some 20 years ago, Wayne Rainey and Ayrton Senna. It always made me think.

Will Valentino, will Michael ever win again?

I think there's a very good chance of Rossi winning again after this season due to Stoner's retirement which could open the door to a better bike

Im sure both are still capable of winning again. Just give them what they need and they will win. :up:

The trouble with F1 at present you could say that of at least half the grid look at Madonaldo last time out, a Schumacher win wouldnt be a stand out achievement as such

#20045 ali_M

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 16:51

Rubbish. I'm perfectly calm. The incident wasn't even shown live, and that's when emotions would be high. What I saw was highly dangerous and I don't care how upset you think MS was, there is no place for those sort of actions and they should not be tolerated in anyway. A race ban would not have been out of order.


Whatever dude.... :well:

#20046 ali_M

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 17:17

Rubbish. Read the race report from Spa 1998. Schumacher almost did the same thing to Salo. Sakea said that Schumacher was able to race at 300 kph with the likes of Prost, DC and Mika and I only said he did the same impetous thing to DC at Spa that he did to Senna in Spain. It was a comparison nothing more. I'm neither pro or con with regards to Schumacher. If you'd take the time to read what I've said in the past you'd note that my views on him are just that, neither pro nor con. You talk down to others as if your pontifical views were so far above the rest, when I see you as not much more than one of the Schumacher fan club who clambers to his defense when others have a different view point. Talk about lack of credibility......


'Talk down'? See here? :lol: You have no moral authority to speak against talking down to people here. :) Be that as it may, I spoke against your opinion and many others you've given here in this thread. It's not meant personally or to be taken as all- encompassing.

That comparison you still insist on pushing as valid is so way off the mark that it really damages your already damaged credibility on your analysis of Spain and Schumi, in general.

#20047 Konsta

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 17:21

You were not crying when Lewis didn't give him way in the same lap and ruined MS fast lap. He decided to stay there and not to give MS space to pass. He get reprimand , what more you want?


Ivan please, we´re talking about FP3. If Michael was impeded it really was just a lap in practise - the way he throw his toys out of the pram was just about the most childish thing I´ve see for ages. It was not really dangerous as some claim but idiotic and totally unnecessary. If he was a man, he had confronted Lewis after the session and told what he felt but to do that on track... :confused:

#20048 jbarokF1

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 17:36

I'm a little surprised no one has posted these quotes by Ralf:

http://www.espnstar....p-podium-dream/

"But for sure, Michael came back to celebrate successes with Mercedes. And until he succeeds, he will not give up.

"I still see a lot of fire in Michael.

"He is pushing hard, as we saw as recently as Mugello last week."


"I think we will see Michael on the podium soon," he insisted.

"At some point, there surely comes a point when the body can't do it any more. But when I look at Michael, that's still a few years away.

"I certainly won't be racing as long as he has!"


I gotta agree with Ralf. And if you look at Schumacher and compare him to when he came back in 2010, he looks a bit more slimmer and shall I say youngish. If it wasn't for the tyres, the mercedes technical issues, wheel nut pit issues, fia insane penalities, the pirelli unforseen tyre lottery, all this chaos in the first 5 races that has basicially interfered with us seeing Michael very prepared for the season, hopefully it can start sometime for him.


:smoking:


So you are looking forward to see MS win a lottery race???
I thought you guys want to see drivers win by being able to push to the limit and not by a lottery?

Edited by jbarokF1, 21 May 2012 - 17:42.


#20049 ivand911

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 17:50

Ivan please, we´re talking about FP3. If Michael was impeded it really was just a lap in practise - the way he throw his toys out of the pram was just about the most childish thing I´ve see for ages. It was not really dangerous as some claim but idiotic and totally unnecessary. If he was a man, he had confronted Lewis after the session and told what he felt but to do that on track... :confused:

Yeah, make you think why Lewis was so eager not to give MS to pass him then. It is FP only. Why was so important to him to start fast lap, destroying MS fast lap in the process.


#20050 Konsta

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 18:15

Yeah, make you think why Lewis was so eager not to give MS to pass him then. It is FP only. Why was so important to him to start fast lap, destroying MS fast lap in the process.


Unfortunately we haven´t seen the events before MS´s tantrum. Apparently Lewis hindered him somehow but the way he vented his frustration was utterly childish and downright idiotic - not that it was dangerous though.