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#20101 ivand911

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:54

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Kissing a Princess. I guess she like "younger" boys. :p
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Ooh, man. There will be some conversations at home.
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Match finish 2:2. MS played 90 minutes.

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#20102 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:57

Starting within the top 10 should be the goal for Sunday.

#20103 BetaVersion

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 00:01

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Petrov seems like: "There is no such thing as football in Russia. I don't wanna play it"
and Schumi seems like : "Come on Vitaly, we can win it"
:p
Perez seems to be supporting Schumi's attitude while Massa also seems uninterested in the game.


On another note, anybody interested in purchaising one of this:
http://sniffpetrol.s...w.aspx?pid=4522

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#20104 Wade

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:09

I'm most likely gonna miss the rest of the season. No cable, TV, and internet for me in the next few months starting tomorrow.

I wanna wish good luck to Michael. I still believe he will have a race or 2 wherein he'll get a podium or heck, even a win. It's a shame I won't be able to witness it but I would be happy for other MS fans as well. I hope by the time I come back, I hear some good news.

See you soon guys! :)

#20105 Sakae

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 04:19

I'm most likely gonna miss the rest of the season. No cable, TV, and internet for me in the next few months starting tomorrow.

I wanna wish good luck to Michael. I still believe he will have a race or 2 wherein he'll get a podium or heck, even a win. It's a shame I won't be able to witness it but I would be happy for other MS fans as well. I hope by the time I come back, I hear some good news.

See you soon guys! :)

Friends of Schumacher are always welcomed in here. Hopefully you will be back soon; we need every hand we can get lately. :)

#20106 sheogorath

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 06:51

I'm pretty sure if any other driver, at some point in the previous races had done anything remotely similar to what Shumacher did to Hamilton, people would be calling for their heads instead of spinning it as "just a little bit of frustration" and "media just looking for ratings".

#20107 ali_M

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 10:23

I'm pretty sure if any other driver, at some point in the previous races had done anything remotely similar to what Shumacher did to Hamilton, people would be calling for their heads instead of spinning it as "just a little bit of frustration" and "media just looking for ratings".


Nice try.... :smoking:

#20108 Massa_f1

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 16:26

Was good to hear Jerome on the sky commentary today say the accident with senna did not deserve a grid penalty, and Senna moved in the breaking zone. Nice to hear at least one fellow driver agreeing with MSC

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 17:39

I'm pretty sure if any other driver, at some point in the previous races had done anything remotely similar to what Shumacher did to Hamilton, people would be calling for their heads instead of spinning it as "just a little bit of frustration" and "media just looking for ratings".


I'm pretty sure if Ricciardo had done that to Di Resta no one would have given a damn.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 17:46

I'm pretty sure if Ricciardo had done that to Di Resta no one would have given a damn.


Good comeback and a very valid point! It doesn't escape the fact that it was dodgy behaviour from Schumi though...

#20111 zelpre

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 18:02

I think we should forget about top 10 on grid to the race...car is just not competitive..

#20112 spacekid

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 18:10

Good comeback and a very valid point! It doesn't escape the fact that it was dodgy behaviour from Schumi though...


Oh absolutely not. Sometimes he can be a bit of a tool. No one is perfect, we all get frustrated and do stupid things sometimes.

#20113 Coops3

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 18:18

Oh absolutely not. Sometimes he can be a bit of a tool. No one is perfect, we all get frustrated and do stupid things sometimes.


Yep, agreed. :up:

#20114 sheogorath

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 18:29

I'm pretty sure if Ricciardo had done that to Di Resta no one would have given a damn.

And I'm pretty sure if Maldonado had done that to Hamilton or Schumacher, people would be asking to give him a lifetime ban from all forms of racing.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 18:35

And I'm pretty sure if Maldonado had done that to Hamilton or Schumacher, people would be asking to give him a lifetime ban from all forms of racing.


you're seriously wrong, not that it matters. Most of us would laugh our behinds off. As did LH, most possibly.


#20116 MortenF1

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 19:30

Starting within the top 10 should be the goal for Sunday.


That's very ambitious. I think row six or seven is realistic, but if he can pull off a one-stopper from there, he should and could have a very, very good race!

#20117 aditya-now

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 20:51

Friends of Schumacher are always welcomed in here. Hopefully you will be back soon; we need every hand we can get lately. :)


That sounds already desperate, Sakae  ;)

Defending the indefensible.....

Anyway, we love you Schumacher fans here on the BB, like Michael you had added a lot to the sport in the last 21 years....

#20118 aditya-now

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 20:57

Was good to hear Jerome on the sky commentary today say the accident with senna did not deserve a grid penalty, and Senna moved in the breaking zone. Nice to hear at least one fellow driver agreeing with MSC


At least one fellow driver agrees with MSC...what's up with the others?


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Posted 24 May 2012 - 21:14

Was good to hear Jerome on the sky commentary today say the accident with senna did not deserve a grid penalty, and Senna moved in the breaking zone. Nice to hear at least one fellow driver agreeing with MSC


Unfortunately, he was not one of the stewards...

But personally, I think I would have just given MS a warning instead of grid penalty..

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 21:29

This weekend is a great one, maybe the best of the year for Motor Sports fans, may I suggest that those who wish to keep the privilege of posting here over the weekend refrain from collective grouping of certain people in a flaming paragraph.

Hope we all enjoy the racing.

#20121 aditya-now

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 21:35

Unfortunately, he was not one of the stewards...

But personally, I think I would have just given MS a warning instead of grid penalty..


The penalty was too harsh, racing incident, although Schumi should have known better after so many years.
Schumi's retaliation move against Hamilton was much more ill-tempered.

Meanwhile, Gerhard Berger claims the tyre talk is all Schumacher's and the teams excuses..."it is bullshit that the tyres decide everything." he said, "some like Schumacher and Red Bull are looking for an easy excuse to their problems."

"Es ist ein Blödsinn, dass die Reifen alles entscheiden. Da suchen einige wie Michael Schumacher oder Red Bull eine einfache Entschuldigung für ihre Probleme."

Berger claims the disappearance of the blown diffuser as well as of the bendable front wings are equalizers of the field just as well as the tires. Teams and individuals blaming all on the tyres are just trying to cover up their own problems, in the case of Red Bull that they don't win automatically anymore.

Tyre knowledge, on the other hand, receives it's due reward - according to Gerhard.

http://www.auto-moto...de-4981369.html

Edited by aditya-now, 24 May 2012 - 21:37.


#20122 ali_M

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 23:22

At least one fellow driver agrees with MSC...what's up with the others?


Probably minding their own business as is most often the case...

#20123 ali_M

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 23:25

The penalty was too harsh, racing incident, although Schumi should have known better after so many years.
Schumi's retaliation move against Hamilton was much more ill-tempered.

Meanwhile, Gerhard Berger claims the tyre talk is all Schumacher's and the teams excuses..."it is bullshit that the tyres decide everything." he said, "some like Schumacher and Red Bull are looking for an easy excuse to their problems."

"Es ist ein Blödsinn, dass die Reifen alles entscheiden. Da suchen einige wie Michael Schumacher oder Red Bull eine einfache Entschuldigung für ihre Probleme."

Berger claims the disappearance of the blown diffuser as well as of the bendable front wings are equalizers of the field just as well as the tires. Teams and individuals blaming all on the tyres are just trying to cover up their own problems, in the case of Red Bull that they don't win automatically anymore.

Tyre knowledge, on the other hand, receives it's due reward - according to Gerhard.

http://www.auto-moto...de-4981369.html


Firstly, Michael never claimed once that the tyres are deciding EVERYTHING.

I suggest watching his initial comments and again and see for yourself. I wonder if Berger really took the time to listen to what Michael had to say rather than respond to someone's claims on what Michael had to say?

One thing's for sure... Michael isn't making any excuses for his current issues so far. That's all made up by those who read way too much between the lines.

#20124 jj2728

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 00:19

One thing's for sure... Michael isn't making any excuses for his current issues so far. That's all made up by those who read way too much between the lines.


Like many that frequent this forum......

#20125 Sakae

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 01:34

That sounds already desperate, Sakae ;)

Defending the indefensible.....

Anyway, we love you Schumacher fans here on the BB, like Michael you had added a lot to the sport in the last 21 years....

I am making my way to Frankfurt (from Toronto). You can tell me then all about Monaco. :D

#20126 exmayol

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 05:17

Now that there are no expectations from this GP it's time for MS to surprise everyone despite all the odds ;)

#20127 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 06:13

I wonder if Berger really took the time to listen to what Michael had to say rather than respond to someone's claims on what Michael had to say?


Berger, such a funny guy.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 08:46

The list of people Michael practically retired during the course of his carreer is long. Put a mic in front of them or give them a steward's seat and they'll retaliate. It's just a testament of how dominant he was...

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 09:41

The list of people Michael practically retired during the course of his carreer is long. Put a mic in front of them or give them a steward's seat and they'll retaliate. It's just a testament of how dominant he was...


Very childish comment. :rolleyes:

#20130 1Devil1

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 10:44

Very childish comment. :rolleyes:


I liked it :lol: Well observed - All the mediocre drivers say the most crap about Schumacher. Never heard comments like that for example out of the mouth of Hakkinen.

#20131 aliasj

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 11:30

Well to be fair, Berger has been quite supportive of Schumacher throughout. He's quite fair. I think its totally acceptable for people to be fair, have their opinions, sometimes agree and sometimes disagree, that's freedom. However, there ARE some people, mostly a group of journalists, ex-team mates, very old drivers who never won championships, etc., who are not only unfair, but totally offensive towards Schumacher, no matter what. Those guys, deserve a kick up their backside.

#20132 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 11:50

Hasn't Berger been quite "anti" ever since half-way through Schumacher's first comeback year? He said he's got "no chance against Rosberg" several times in the last two years and that he's not competitive enough.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 12:20

Can someone post up a vid on Flavio commenting on Berger being "shit" following Schumacher. :p

#20134 ali_M

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 13:48

I liked it :lol: Well observed - All the mediocre drivers say the most crap about Schumacher. Never heard comments like that for example out of the mouth of Hakkinen.


It's interesting that for me the irony of that claim of childishness from one I think can be so childish with his anti-shumacher comments. :smoking:

You are definitely spot on. The real accomplishers never criticize Michael's achievements and ability. If they criticize anything, it's usually his character. That's worth some discussion in terms of validity and an overall judgment, but not his abilities and achievements.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 13:50

Hasn't Berger been quite "anti" ever since half-way through Schumacher's first comeback year? He said he's got "no chance against Rosberg" several times in the last two years and that he's not competitive enough.


Yes.... and it's difficult to eat one's words. Much easier to find ways to endorse them. Berger can be tiring too often. One may troll on lists, but there's also trolling with the media. Berger can do that at times. Just flagrantly say things with too much abandon.

Well to be fair, Berger has been quite supportive of Schumacher throughout. He's quite fair. I think its totally acceptable for people to be fair, have their opinions, sometimes agree and sometimes disagree, that's freedom. However, there ARE some people, mostly a group of journalists, ex-team mates, very old drivers who never won championships, etc., who are not only unfair, but totally offensive towards Schumacher, no matter what. Those guys, deserve a kick up their backside.


Kick up the backside is harsh, I'll say, but otherwise.... :up:

Edited by ali_M, 25 May 2012 - 13:51.


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Posted 25 May 2012 - 14:37

Ross Brawn says the team has let down Schumacher, and must improve, but that doesnt prevent Benson from writing:

Michael Schumacher must improve for Mercedes

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/18204882

Just when you thought Benson couldnt get to a lower level.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 15:09

Ross Brawn says the team has let down Schumacher, and must improve, but that doesnt prevent Benson from writing:

Michael Schumacher must improve for Mercedes

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/18204882

Just when you thought Benson couldnt get to a lower level.

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The headline is tabloid - The article seems fine because I read the same in the german news. Ross had the feeling to correct his previous comments. Earlier he stated that the team let Michael down too often this season and now he is saying it's a team sport they make mistakes as collective - both Michael and the team have to improve. Quit honestly I have the feeling the mercedes elite forced Ross to say such things because it was no good marketing for the team but somehow I don't like the behavior of Ross sometimes he doesn't back up Michael like you think a good old friend would do.

edit: spelling mistakes

Edited by 1Devil1, 25 May 2012 - 15:54.


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Posted 25 May 2012 - 15:26

The headline is tabloid - The article seems fine because I read the seem in the german news. Ross had the feeling to correct his previous comments. Early he stated that the team let Michael down to often this season and now he is saying it's a team sport they make mistakes as collective - both Michael and the team have to improve. Quit honestly I have the feeling the mercedes elite forced Ross to say such things because it was no good marketing for the team but somehow I don't like the behavior of Ross sometimes he doesn't back up Michael like you think a good old friend would do.


But he doesnt say anything new. Its just a rehash of words, wich Benson uses to write it as if Mercedes wants Michael to improve, full stop.

Disgraceful. Bah!

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 15:45

The headline is tabloid - The article seems fine because I read the seem in the german news. Ross had the feeling to correct his previous comments. Early he stated that the team let Michael down to often this season and now he is saying it's a team sport they make mistakes as collective - both Michael and the team have to improve. Quit honestly I have the feeling the mercedes elite forced Ross to say such things because it was no good marketing for the team but somehow I don't like the behavior of Ross sometimes he doesn't back up Michael like you think a good old friend would do.


:up: totally agree

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 15:55

The headline is tabloid - The article seems fine because I read the same in the german news. Ross had the feeling to correct his previous comments. Early he stated that the team let Michael down too often this season and now he is saying it's a team sport they make mistakes as collective - both Michael and the team have to improve. Quit honestly I have the feeling the mercedes elite forced Ross to say such things because it was no good marketing for the team but somehow I don't like the behavior of Ross sometimes he doesn't back up Michael like you think a good old friend would do.



:up:

I think saying MS needs to improve is just fair. Just 2 points in 5 races...anyone who does not agree is dellusional.
But having said that..I think the whole team needs to improve and that includes Rosberg (before I get to be accused of being biased)

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 18:01

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I think saying MS needs to improve is just fair. Just 2 points in 5 races...anyone who does not agree is dellusional.
But having said that..I think the whole team needs to improve and that includes Rosberg (before I get to be accused of being biased)

Not really, I'd like him to improve but he doesn't need to, sure he needs to not run into the back of cars whilst overtaking but thats hardly an "improvement" he doesn't need to go away and practice how to avoid other cars. His qualifying form has been good this season as has his race pace while on the track, I'd like to see him drive faster obviously that's what you always want but it's unlikely to happen and his pace has been good anyway. I don't think the team have many improvements to make either, the gearbox failure cannot be blamed on them (I wouldn't ahve thought), Grosjean hitting Michael was not their fault either, the DRS malfunction was presumably not the team's fault, was just one of those things, the wheel nut problem would have been fine had the lights not told Michael to go, I don't know if they're manually operated so I guess if they are then that could be an area of improvement for the team, strategy has been average (why not pit Michael earlier in Malaysia? He had nothing to lose and if anyone can drive with slicks on a wet track its him surely?) but then that seems to have always been the case with Merc. I think Rosberg's been very good, he's won a race and scored solid points in most of the others although yes his driving in Malaysia was abysmal.

Whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, yes he only has two points but a lot has gone wrong and the things that have gone wrong have been outside both the team and Michael's control most of the time.

Ten years ago I would have been disappointed with this pace but now I only expect good driving and as such, to me at least, it doesn't appear as though he needs to improve.

Oh and I don't appreciate being called delusional. :p

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 18:06

But he doesnt say anything new. Its just a rehash of words, wich Benson uses to write it as if Mercedes wants Michael to improve, full stop.

Disgraceful. Bah!

It's not really a rehash, it was quite clear in the press conference live yesterday that Brawn meant team, including Schumacher that need to up their game. So the headline "Michael Schumacher must improve for Mercedes" is fine.

Okay, probably should be worded a bit differently, but it's not disgraceful. As a Schumacher fan, I'd like to see him improve as well to be honest. 2 points after 5 races was not really what I wanted to see.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 18:10

I think saying MS needs to improve is just fair.


Absolutely, given his standards, but it's just as fair to say that his position in the championship is likewise wholly unrepresentative of his overall performance thus far.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 18:12

Not really, I'd like him to improve but he doesn't need to, sure he needs to not run into the back of cars whilst overtaking but thats hardly an "improvement" he doesn't need to go away and practice how to avoid other cars. His qualifying form has been good this season as has his race pace while on the track, I'd like to see him drive faster obviously that's what you always want but it's unlikely to happen and his pace has been good anyway. I don't think the team have many improvements to make either, the gearbox failure cannot be blamed on them (I wouldn't ahve thought), Grosjean hitting Michael was not their fault either, the DRS malfunction was presumably not the team's fault, was just one of those things, the wheel nut problem would have been fine had the lights not told Michael to go, I don't know if they're manually operated so I guess if they are then that could be an area of improvement for the team, strategy has been average (why not pit Michael earlier in Malaysia? He had nothing to lose and if anyone can drive with slicks on a wet track its him surely?) but then that seems to have always been the case with Merc. I think Rosberg's been very good, he's won a race and scored solid points in most of the others although yes his driving in Malaysia was abysmal.

Whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, yes he only has two points but a lot has gone wrong and the things that have gone wrong have been outside both the team and Michael's control most of the time.

Ten years ago I would have been disappointed with this pace but now I only expect good driving and as such, to me at least, it doesn't appear as though he needs to improve.

Oh and I don't appreciate being called delusional. :p



Wow! what a long response...if you think they don't need to improve then that's fine...other teams will be more than happy...

Seems like Mercedes in 5th...Rosberg in 7th..and MS in lowly 18th is good enough for you...Though am quite sure Mercedes and its drivers don't agree with you.

There is nothing wrong about needing to improve(even McLaren and RedBulls who are at the top right now needs to improve)...if you keep blaming and justifying outside factors being all the main cause of your lack of points or good results then I guess that is a very wrong attitude.

Edited by jbarokF1, 25 May 2012 - 18:19.


#20145 Sakae

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 18:18

RB's message, as I understand it, is actually quite straight forward. They are all in it together, which includes Michael and team alike. There is not attempt that I would detect to blame, or fingerpoint anyone. It's a simple admission that things will have to be sorted out; conclusion I do agree with.

#20146 ivand911

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 18:40

:up:

I think saying MS needs to improve is just fair. Just 2 points in 5 races...anyone who does not agree is dellusional.
But having said that..I think the whole team needs to improve and that includes Rosberg (before I get to be accused of being biased)

Yeah, two points are not good. But, where he can improve in the races exactly? I see Spain as only possibility for that. He can get there maximum 8-10 points and to move from P16 to P14 in WDC. Huge. I am sure that with 12 points not everyone will be happy again. Maybe nobody.

It's not really a rehash, it was quite clear in the press conference live yesterday that Brawn meant team, including Schumacher that need to up their game. So the headline "Michael Schumacher must improve for Mercedes" is fine.
Okay, probably should be worded a bit differently, but it's not disgraceful. As a Schumacher fan, I'd like to see him improve as well to be honest. 2 points after 5 races was not really what I wanted to see.

Should tell the truth, it is easy even for me to see the difference from: "Brawn: MGP must improve" to "Michael Schumacher must improve for Mercedes". I don't think anyone here is surprised by the wording used by that guy. He is well know here for his uncorrect and manipulative articles and headlines concerning MS.

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#20147 Schumacher7

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 19:13

Wow! what a long response...if you think they don't need to improve then that's fine...other teams will be more than happy...

Seems like Mercedes in 5th...Rosberg in 7th..and MS in lowly 18th is good enough for you...Though am quite sure Mercedes and its drivers don't agree with you.

There is nothing wrong about needing to improve(even McLaren and RedBulls who are at the top right now needs to improve)...if you keep blaming and justifying outside factors being all the main cause of your lack of points or good results then I guess that is a very wrong attitude.

You're misunderstanding my point, possibly deliberately I'm not sure. Not once did I say 5th, 7th and 18th are good enough, don't put words in my mouth :p , what I was saying is that if Michael continues driving as he has been and the team keep doing as they have been then they'll move up the championship, they don't need to make improvements to get better results.
Why is it wrong to blame outside factors when they are to blame? People seem to think excuses are wrong but a legitimate excuse does exactly that, excuses you from blame, there's nothing wrong with that provided the excuses are factually accurate which, unless there's a grand cover up going on, I think they are.
A wrong attitude is one that looks for faults to fix when there aren't any there, when things aren't going right just stick at it and things will come good.
Can you point out any real areas to me where they need to improve?

#20148 sniper80

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 20:29

Di Resta will take Schumacher's seat next year, all signs lead to it. It would be nice to see Schumacher getting a podium or win this year to end his career on a high.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 20:35

Di Resta will take Schumacher's seat next year, all signs lead to it. It would be nice to see Schumacher getting a podium or win this year to end his career on a high.


Looks like this! Don't believe in podium or victory of Schumi anymore!

I think it wasn't good idea to come back in F1 for him! Now there will be a very different memory....he will has lost much!!


#20150 ivand911

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 20:38

Di Resta will take Schumacher's seat next year, all signs lead to it. It would be nice to see Schumacher getting a podium or win this year to end his career on a high.

What signs? You mean Sky, manipulative article? He is on their radar , as 5-6 other drivers. Will be that update for better???? Will you bet against MS(vs DIR) in equal car? I wouldn't. Even at 43.

Edited by ivand911, 25 May 2012 - 20:42.