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#20201 zelpre

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:48

Schumacher might be trying for a single stop tomorrow given that he will most likely be somewhere from 10-15 on the grid. That might explain somewhat his long stints on the soft tyre. Anyways tough qualifying and race tomorrow, another gloomy weekend as a Schuamcher fan. I do wish to be surprised though :)


Impossible.

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#20202 spacekid

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:48

No, I'm saying there's no such thing as chance. I think luck can be defined instead as something that works in your favour when you have no direct input in it or lack the knowledge to be able to calculate the outcome and this obviously is something that does happen.
And it is physics that guarantees if something happens identically each time there can be no deviation in the result, something would have to change for there to be a different outcome, and the idea that the universe splits after every decision is probably bullshit. That part of quantum physics is all theory with no evidence behind it.


This is really interesting on all sorts of levels. Lets consider the manufacture of an engine - it isn't luck or chance that defines how many miles the engine will last, there are tiny inaccuracies in the construction that will eventually lead to failures and overstressed parts. However, I think there is an element of randomness in where these innacuracies of faults are, and a further element of randomness in which driver gets an engine which just happens to be more likely to go bang first.

To put it another way, russian roulette isn't random. If you know all the factors involved you know where the barrel will stop when you spin it. But no one can reasonably actually calculate that, so it ends up as luck.

Regards the true nature of the universe - who knows? Maybe humans will never find out. It doesn't really matter, all quantum theory does is give us a frame work to describe what we observe and make predictions. The theory works well enough, whether or not it is actually describing what is happening doesn't matter to me.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:49

Schumacher might be trying for a single stop tomorrow given that he will most likely be somewhere from 10-15 on the grid. That might explain somewhat his long stints on the soft tyre. Anyways tough qualifying and race tomorrow, another gloomy weekend as a Schuamcher fan. I do wish to be surprised though :)


It would be better gone fishing. :lol:


#20204 ali.unal

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:52

Impossible.

Not that impossible. Soft tyres will last 50 odd laps. So, if he can manage to last quali-supersofts for 15-16 laps, he can go the end with softs for ~60 laps. Long shot, but worth tyring.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:54

Impossible.


A one-stopper is absolutely do-able. Vettel did it last year, but with the race stopped that turned into a two-"stopper".
I think the best Schumacher can hope for, is lining up on the sixth row, but as I've written earlier; from there he can actually have a very, very good race one-stopping.

Edited by race addicted, 26 May 2012 - 10:55.


#20206 ali.unal

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:59

Schumacher's SS try not that slow compared to Rosberg. Here is Rosberg's SS run:

12 1:23.087
13 1:15.751
14 1:26.318
15 1:15.159
16 1:26.958
17 1:15.614

He did alternate his flying laps by putting a slow lap each and every one of them. He did do his fast lap on his second attempt. We also heard him saying it's strange that on his second run rear tyres were better. Here is Schumacher's SS run:

22 1:31.179
23 1:15.893

He didn't get a lap in for his second try. So, in the first attempt, they are evenly matched although we should expect Schumacher's lap to be a tad faster as the track was rubbered in, but still. It's not 0,7s difference like the timing page suggested. It's more close. I stlil believe Rosberg has the upperhand, but Schumi is no slouch as some would make us believe.

Edited by ali.unal, 26 May 2012 - 11:00.


#20207 Jejking

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:01

Not that impossible. Soft tyres will last 50 odd laps. So, if he can manage to last quali-supersofts for 15-16 laps, he can go the end with softs for ~60 laps. Long shot, but worth tyring.

Without falling off a cliff? I don't think so, not with these supersofts, last year it was possible but I suspect that in 12 it will be a problem.

#20208 Atonal

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:16

Schumacher's SS try not that slow compared to Rosberg. Here is Rosberg's SS run:

12 1:23.087
13 1:15.751
14 1:26.318
15 1:15.159
16 1:26.958
17 1:15.614

He did alternate his flying laps by putting a slow lap each and every one of them. He did do his fast lap on his second attempt. We also heard him saying it's strange that on his second run rear tyres were better. Here is Schumacher's SS run:

22 1:31.179
23 1:15.893

He didn't get a lap in for his second try. So, in the first attempt, they are evenly matched although we should expect Schumacher's lap to be a tad faster as the track was rubbered in, but still. It's not 0,7s difference like the timing page suggested. It's more close. I stlil believe Rosberg has the upperhand, but Schumi is no slouch as some would make us believe.


As I expected, almost all drivers started to hit their top times after the first flyer. Some even got it on their third run. I don't believe Michael will be very far off Nico here, maybe a couple of tenths at most if both get a clean run. One can never discount the traffic variable in Monaco and we don't know what exactly were the obstacles for both the Merc drivers in practice if there were any that is. I remember in 2010 both Michael and Nico went out almost together and both got bogged down by traffic in the form of each other.

Even though Nico has a slight reputation of being a free practice champion he always seems pretty handy in Monaco but he has never been able to stitch up the entire weekend. Maybe this is his year? What is the outlook on the weather as that might throw a spanner in how the Pirelli's work?

#20209 race addicted

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:18

Weather is unchanged. GP2's are racing now and it's roughly the same temps, up two degrees.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:29

Tough weekend, even with DRS and the shitty tyres (or maybe because of the shitty tyres) overtaking is a going to be hard here. Hoping for a top 5 quali and some good points starting 10th or behind on the grid. I've mostly stopped watching Pirellimula but for Michael, plus Monaco's always a special weekend. :up:

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:30

'cept there's no DRS here.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:34

'cept there's no DRS here.


Again get your facts right :wave: After the start-finish line

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:35

Didn't know. Just read "no DRS in the tunnel".
Apart from that, I'll obviously turn to you for factual info. Void of blinkered fanboy-ism.

Edited by race addicted, 26 May 2012 - 11:36.


#20214 BRK

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:35

'cept there's no DRS here.


Only in the tunnel. The regular DRS zone is on the main 'straight', like last year.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:36

Why MS don't have stellar race pace? :confused: Maybe because his car/tyre combination is one second slower that Kimi's in last two races? We saw Kimi stellar pace in China. 7-8 positions lost in one lap, MS with his not stellar race pace didn't mange such disgrace. Stellar race pace comes from the car/tyre combo, not from the driver.


Why MS lost again 7 tenths to Nico in 3rd practice? :confused: Does he not know that he will have another 5 place grid penalty going against him? He should make this up by qualifying faster!



#20216 zelpre

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:37

Not that impossible. Soft tyres will last 50 odd laps. So, if he can manage to last quali-supersofts for 15-16 laps, he can go the end with softs for ~60 laps. Long shot, but worth tyring.


What? 50 laps? I think you are still in 2010.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:39

Why MS lost again 7 tenths to Nico in 3rd practice? :confused: Does he not know that he will have another 5 place grid penalty going against him? He should make this up by qualifying faster!

Are you seriously asking me about any time difference in FP3? In Monaco.


#20218 aditya-now

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:43

thanks for clarifying that the 6 wdc's were from superior machinery.
and the 1st was of course for graciously punting another driver of the track.


I think three drivers hold this distinction:

1.) Alain Prost (1989)
2.) Ayrton Senna (1990)
3.) Michael Schumacher (1994)

Michael of course tried one more time (1997) but did not succeed. Thereafter this
form of becoming WDC by punting the competitor off disappeared again from the
sport, and I am grateful as it is not what makes the sport.

Interestingly, Senna and Schumacher are the two who always get accused for it,
while the originator of that art form, Alain Prost, gets away lightly.

Concerning this weekend (2012):

nice that Michael is still there and that Alain is back for the weekend, only Ayrton
is missing from the party - in an age of the Maldonados, Grosjeans and Perez'.


#20219 ali.unal

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:44

What? 50 laps? I think you are still in 2010.

Last year Vettel did 56 laps on soft tyres, which are more-or-less identical to these years. Granted, their working rage is somewhat different, but as I said it's worth trying though (as I also said) it is a long shot.

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#20220 Atonal

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:57

Aditya asks a valid question...why was Michael not trying to tweak the car for qualifying knowing full well that a penalty is in store and passing even with the DRS is fraught with uncertainties in Monaco? I think he should have spent more time on the super softs rather than working with the prime tyre in order to be best prepared come Q3 so that even after the penalty he would not fall out of the top 10. I don't know but looking from the outside Merc's strategy always seems suspect to a layman like me. I'm pretty sure that they have looked at it from all the angles and have sufficient data to make the right decision, after all Brawn is a smart man but as a viewer I just don't feel convinced. Come race day I won't be surprised if Michael and Nico run the same strategy even though one might be in the top 3 and the other out of the top 10. But what do I know, Michael and the team may have run the calculations and running a lengthy stint and doing the absolute minimum of stops may be the best outcome?

#20221 ivand911

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:01

Aditya asks a valid question...why was Michael not trying to tweak the car for qualifying knowing full well that a penalty is in store and passing even with the DRS is fraught with uncertainties in Monaco? I think he should have spent more time on the super softs rather than working with the prime tyre in order to be best prepared come Q3 so that even after the penalty he would not fall out of the top 10. I don't know but looking from the outside Merc's strategy always seems suspect to a layman like me. I'm pretty sure that they have looked at it from all the angles and have sufficient data to make the right decision, after all Brawn is a smart man but as a viewer I just don't feel convinced. Come race day I won't be surprised if Michael and Nico run the same strategy even though one might be in the top 3 and the other out of the top 10. But what do I know, Michael and the team may have run the calculations and running a lengthy stint and doing the absolute minimum of stops may be the best outcome?

You should ask the same question about Kimi too? Not many time on SS. I am not worried about that , they can use other driver data to see how SS is holding. Or you are not right and he have different race strategy for the race than Nico.

Edited by ivand911, 26 May 2012 - 12:02.


#20222 ivand911

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:11

If MS didn't lift in last sector(2sec) , he couldn't need to go out in Q1 any more. Probably.

He could save that SS in Q2 too.

Edited by ivand911, 26 May 2012 - 12:55.


#20223 Diablobb81

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:08

YES YES YES

#20224 le chat noir

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:08

Yeah!

#20225 Lelouch

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:08

I LOVE YOU MY KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#20226 le chat noir

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:09

Shut up coulthard

#20227 libano

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:09

boom!

#20228 Augurk

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:09

Michael!! Wow!

#20229 Disgrace

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:09

Ah, what a shame of all weekends for Michael to hit top form.

#20230 Scotracer

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:09

I'm smiling like a moron.

#20231 Umpire

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:09

OH YES!

#20232 sniper80

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:10

Nice lap from Schumacher! Enjoy it fans!

#20233 aditya-now

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:10

Unbelievable achievement by Schumacher, congratulations to all fans.
What a shame he has the penalty from hitting Senna.

"What a feeling!"

The great old man is back....for once he got it all together.

#20234 genespleen

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:10

Hah! Three cheers for the old man! :clap:

#20235 Diablobb81

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:11

Like someone said :

this quali shows the great parts of Michael (pole) and the not so good parts (penalty).

I am so happy anyway.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:11

hail the king :clap: :clap: :clap:
typical for this year heĀ“ll start from 6 tomorrow. Big chance for a win that would have been.
Still, he looked mighty on the soft compound

#20237 schumimercamg

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:12

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA GET IN!!!!!

Bow down to the king you idiot trolls!!!

YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

#20238 race addicted

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:14

Give it to me, guys!

Well done Schumacher! Top effort! I'm amazed.

#20239 ali.unal

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:14

Yes!

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#20240 DutchCruijff

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:14

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


I screamed like a little girl.

#20241 walkindude

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:15

Schumacher is the KING!All Hail Schumacher!

#20242 schumimercamg

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:15

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


I screamed like a little girl.



So did I!!!

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:16

EAT IT BENSON, JUST EAT IT!!!!!


WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HAPPY!!!!!

#20244 Tarzaan

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:16

Win or wall!

:smoking:

#20245 zachary2142

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:16

Bravo! Well done!


#20246 Augurk

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:16

First time in so many years I actually jumped up and applauded!

Funny that on twitter everyone is tweeting about his pole, except for jon noble who just tweets the starting grid (with schumacher 6th).

#20247 chrisaix

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:16

Wooooohooooo! Thats for all of you haters! I cant stop my jaw from smiling! :blush: :love:

#20248 spacekid

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:16

Really happy! Good showing from Schumi.

The guys on the BBC have totally dismissed the fact he drove the fastest lap and can only carp on about how poor he's been. Unbelievable.

#20249 ali.unal

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:16

Argh BBC! While photogprahing the top 3 qualifier, they switched to Eddie Jordan! What a shame.

#20250 aliasj

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 13:16

yoo hoooooo time to print and frame this timing sheet!!

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