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#20401 ali.unal

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 18:18

Very interesting FACTS.

Schumacher's FIRST ever pole. 1994, Monaco.
Schumacher's LAST pole. 2006, Monaco (Penalty, sent to back of grid).
Schumacher's comeback pole. 2012, Monaco (Penalty, 5-places).

Maybe it is a sign of things to come.

Michael's last pole was in French GP at Magny-Cours back in 2006, July. Monaco GP was before that.

Schumi said he was going to try one-stop race, which is the most sensible thing to do, I reckon given that Vettel almost managed it to work last year. However, Webber and co might try two stops in order to be in the safe side. It will be interesting how tyres will behave as almost noone had done a long-run comparison on Thursday. It's open.

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#20402 Urawa

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 18:21

Michael's last pole was in French GP at Magny-Cours back in 2006, July. Monaco GP was before that.

Schumi said he was going to try one-stop race, which is the most sensible thing to do, I reckon given that Vettel almost managed it to work last year. However, Webber and co might try two stops in order to be in the safe side. It will be interesting how tyres will behave as almost noone had done a long-run comparison on Thursday. It's open.


According to Hembery the primes should last 50 laps, while options 35 laps.
Quite doubt the latter but we´ll see.

Edited by Urawa, 26 May 2012 - 18:22.


#20403 Dan333SP

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 18:27

Just wanted to poke in and say how much I enjoyed Michael turning back the clock this morning, even if he won't lead the field away tomorrow. Haven't jumped up in amazement watching F1 since the 2008 Brazilian GP, makes me remember how much more fun the sport is when your favorite drivers do well. Here's to hoping he rides a good race result into Canada, where I think he'll have his best shot at a win all year (plus I'll be there cheering for him).

#20404 exmayol

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 18:27

GO MICHAEL! School them haters!!!

Edited by exmayol, 26 May 2012 - 18:28.


#20405 Menace

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 18:37

Well done Michael!!! :clap:

Briliant lap, not quite them lottery now I presume! :p

Looks like the Mercedes drivers and Webber are the guys to beat this weekend, the Mercedes certainly looks good around Monaco!

#20406 my_own_shadow

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 18:44

Anyone know when the last time a 43 year old put a car on pole?


And by the way this Michael's performance changes the history books a bit: only three drivers, namely Emilio Guiseppe Farina (47 years, 79 days at 1954 Argentine Grand Prix), Juan Manuel Fangio (46 years, 209 days at 1958 Argentine Grand Prix) and Sir Jack Arthur Brabham (44 years, 17 days at 1970 Spanish Grand Prix), were older when they took the pole.

Moreover today Michael has become the oldest polesitter in "modern" Formula One World Championship, which started in 1981 (as originally it was World Driver's Championship in 1950-1980). Previous record was hold by Mario Gabriele Andretti, who took pole at 1982 Italian Grand Prix being 42 years, 196 days old.



#20407 H2H

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 18:49


Sadly I could not see the old great man turning back the clock. It is a shame that he got those stupid penalty in Spain.

#20408 BetaVersion

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 18:52

http://img802.images...52615h35m20.jpg
:smoking:

A sample of a pole sitter on the edge:
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How to do the Rascasse corner:
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Pitty about this oversteer which cost him S3 time:
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and this is how you celebrate with a proper finger, Vettel:
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#20409 walkindude

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:21

Look how close he gets to the wall when one handed through swimming pool.Like a proper boss

#20410 ivand911

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:24

Alonso ‘very pleased’ for pace-setting Schumacher
http://www.gpupdate....ing-schumacher/

#20411 Tarzaan

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:46

Michael's last pole was in French GP at Magny-Cours back in 2006, July. Monaco GP was before that.

Schumi said he was going to try one-stop race, which is the most sensible thing to do, I reckon given that Vettel almost managed it to work last year. However, Webber and co might try two stops in order to be in the safe side. It will be interesting how tyres will behave as almost noone had done a long-run comparison on Thursday. It's open.


He also has the pole in hungary, but there he has a time penalty...

#20412 George Costanza

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:47

This was Michael's best lap at Monaco since 2000.... Incredible.

Edited by George Costanza, 26 May 2012 - 19:51.


#20413 Ghostrider

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:53

That was great to see, I am happy for Schumi. :up:

#20414 Pits

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:56

Does anybody know how many fresh sets of tires Schumacher and the opposition has?

#20415 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 20:19

Does anybody know how many fresh sets of tires Schumacher and the opposition has?

it doesn't really matter at monaco

#20416 Dolph

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 20:30

I'm celebrating Schum'is best qualy result since 2006 :clap: :drunk: :up: :clap: :up:

#20417 Schumacher7

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 20:33

Does anybody know how many fresh sets of tires Schumacher and the opposition has?

He said he's one stopping so it makes no difference, unless that's what he wants everyone to think.

#20418 ivand911

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 20:50

I'm celebrating Schum'is best qualy result since 2006 :clap: :drunk: :up: :clap: :up:

:clap: :up:


#20419 Sof1

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 20:52

I'm celebrating Schum'is best qualy result since 2006 :clap: :drunk: :up: :clap: :up:



:clap: :up:


Woohooo!! :clap: :up: :up:

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#20420 Smile17

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 20:56

You could have bet on Schumi hitting the front again. The win will come soon enough, he will not retire without one. Great lap, but the fact that we had more 'surprises' this season, makes this pole less impressive. Can't deny that.

#20421 1Devil1

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 21:12

You could have bet on Schumi hitting the front again. The win will come soon enough, he will not retire without one. Great lap, but the fact that we had more 'surprises' this season, makes this pole less impressive. Can't deny that.



I do not agree. All the big boys Hamilton, Mark and Rosberg were strong, we had no odd candidate like perez or maldonado aiming for a good result. I wouldn't say the tires aren't a reason merc is strong here, but their for sure less important than on other tracks. This lap will remembered as great comeback :up:

#20422 my_own_shadow

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 21:15

He also has the pole in hungary, but there he has a time penalty...

Well, not quite a pole (you know that since 2003, when all these silly qualification rules have been initially introduced, to set a fastest time doesn't necessarily meen to be polesitter anymore), but a fastest time throughout the qualifying (during Q2).

So, although his actual Q2 time - 1'18''875 - was the fastest ever time over 4381m Hungaroring circuit, Michael was given a stupid two-second penalty, and his superior lap became a virtual 1'20''875 which didn't allow him to participate in Q3.

And by the way, Schumacher's time was bettered only by Vettel in 2010 with Newey's championship-winning RB6 by just 112 thousands of a second. Till now it is the second ever fastest time over rebuilt in 2003 Hungaroring circuit.

Edited by my_own_shadow, 26 May 2012 - 21:21.


#20423 ali.unal

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 21:18

Woohooo!! :clap: :up: :up:

:love: :up: :up:

#20424 ivand911

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 21:25

MS , Saturday morning:
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From Spain:
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#20425 Snic

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 21:46

1 Italy Nino Farina 47 years, 79 days 1954 Argentine Grand Prix
2 Argentina Juan Manuel Fangio 46 years, 209 days 1958 Argentine Grand Prix
3 Australia Jack Brabham 44 years, 17 days 1970 Spanish Grand Prix


This is what makes the pole so special for me, brilliant stuff thanks

#20426 Muz Bee

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 22:12

Well done to Michael, that was superb and an encouragement to all those fans who kept faith. I stand corrected as the old man takes back ownership of Monaco! With race strategies being so crucial P6 on grid could be good enough for a shot of victory.

My reason for believing top 6 or 8 could win is that the closeness of the field in lap times could keep the field bunched and throw pit strategy into even greater importance. Certainly the tyre management crisis at MB doesn't seem to be in play - like China where they had no problems. And we know what happened there! Maybe they will try for a 1 stop strategy to prevent getting mired behind likely one stoppers like Kobayashi.

#20427 1Devil1

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 22:37

Well done to Michael, that was superb and an encouragement to all those fans who kept faith. I stand corrected as the old man takes back ownership of Monaco! With race strategies being so crucial P6 on grid could be good enough for a shot of victory.

My reason for believing top 6 or 8 could win is that the closeness of the field in lap times could keep the field bunched and throw pit strategy into even greater importance. Certainly the tyre management crisis at MB doesn't seem to be in play - like China where they had no problems. And we know what happened there! Maybe they will try for a 1 stop strategy to prevent getting mired behind likely one stoppers like Kobayashi.


That's a good point I wouldn't bet on somebody is pulling a gap in the recent years the fastest cars were in front in monaco and controlled the race. especially this year with abnormality of the pirelli tires I wouldn't surprise to see a train like we have seen in china and than somebody can hit back from further down with a better strategy or pitstop.

Edited by 1Devil1, 26 May 2012 - 22:38.


#20428 TheBunk

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 22:39

I'm celebrating Schum'is best qualy result since 2006 :clap: :drunk: :up: :clap: :up:


YES!

YES!!

YES!!!!!
YEHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:)

My feeling at this moment.

Damn this feels good.

Vindicated!!

Not a track better to have shown this dominance, than at drivers track Monaco.

He can qualify P24 the rest of the year and still say: but I was the quickest in Monaco. I SHOWED THEM HOW ITS DONE!!!!!


WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :up: :up: :up: :up:

Edited by TheBunk, 26 May 2012 - 22:42.


#20429 spacekid

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 22:39

One thing I haven't seen mentined on here yet is a safety car. Normally cars slide into a barrier and the marshalls are so good at clearing them it can often be dealt with under waved yellows, so you can't count on them.

I'm kinda hoping to see a 1-stop as I think it could yield a podium, but if a safety car does come up its timing could be critical to a lot of races.

#20430 PorcupineTroy

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 22:45

Just wanted to poke in and say how much I enjoyed Michael turning back the clock this morning, even if he won't lead the field away tomorrow. Haven't jumped up in amazement watching F1 since the 2008 Brazilian GP, makes me remember how much more fun the sport is when your favorite drivers do well. Here's to hoping he rides a good race result into Canada, where I think he'll have his best shot at a win all year (plus I'll be there cheering for him).


Same here! Would love to see him do well tomorrow, but I wouldn't mind him saving his best for Montreal :smoking:


#20431 Sof1

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 22:57

YES!

YES!!

YES!!!!!
YEHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:)

My feeling at this moment.

Damn this feels good.

Vindicated!!

Not a track better to have shown this dominance, than at drivers track Monaco.

He can qualify P24 the rest of the year and still say: but I was the quickest in Monaco. I SHOWED THEM HOW ITS DONE!!!!!


WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :up: :up: :up: :up:


Oh yeah! :drunk: :drunk: :up: :up: :up: :clap: :clap: :clap:


#20432 Tardis40

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 01:41

http://www.dailymoti...umi-monaco-2012

motor racing lovers, I just found the pole lap onboard :clap:


Thanks for posting. That's the best I've seen the car look yet. Bodes well for the Grand Prix.



#20433 Igorr

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 01:50

Awesome time from Michael.. Very happy to se Webber destroy vettel as well, as last year he was written off, which was clearly to the EBD where vettel had the edge. Now without it, where the car requires more driver input to stabilize the rear end, the more aggressive drivers such as michael, mark, lewis etc are getting the edge out of it in qualli.

#20434 Birelman

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 01:53

Just wanted to poke in and say how much I enjoyed Michael turning back the clock this morning, even if he won't lead the field away tomorrow. Haven't jumped up in amazement watching F1 since the 2008 Brazilian GP, makes me remember how much more fun the sport is when your favorite drivers do well. Here's to hoping he rides a good race result into Canada, where I think he'll have his best shot at a win all year (plus I'll be there cheering for him).

He turned back the clock?! That cheating bastage!! I knew it!!!! :up:

#20435 Myrvold

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 04:35

Seriously, it is strange that it doesn't get it's rightful place in the statistics, as they should show who actually was fastest.


Nope. A Pole Position is the first spot on the grid. Mark Webber will start there. Michael Schumacher was the fastest, but is not the polesitter. The statistic is about the amount of pole positions, which, Schumacher still has 68 of.
I think it's pretty clear really. It can be debated as much as people would like, but it doesn't change the fact that it will be Webber, not Schumacher starting from pole position.

#20436 chrisaix

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 05:19

Awww!

Seriously, it is strange that it doesn't get it's rightful place in the statistics, as they should show who actually was fastest.


It may not be written in the history books, but for all of us who have witness ones again michael's majestic drive, it will be remembered forever and pass on to our childrens and grans childrens. No one can still be competetive as michael for such a long time in the sports :up:

#20437 femi

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 05:34

YES!

YES!!

YES!!!!!
YEHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:)

My feeling at this moment.

Damn this feels good.

Vindicated!!

Not a track better to have shown this dominance, than at drivers track Monaco.

He can qualify P24 the rest of the year and still say: but I was the quickest in Monaco. I SHOWED THEM HOW ITS DONE!!!!!


WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :up: :up: :up: :up:



Great lap, hope he finishes the race though...

Edited by femi, 27 May 2012 - 05:34.


#20438 vlado

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 06:04

great driving from MS.. :up: A clean start would be really nice :) I think he has a shot at the podium.

#20439 Dolph

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 07:59

He turned back the clock?! That cheating bastage!! I knew it!!!! :up:


:rotfl:

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#20440 DutchCruijff

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 08:07

This is going to end remarkably well (podium/win) or horribly (another f*cking collision).

#20441 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 08:52

Considering how close the field is this year. I am going to say that was one of his best ever qualifying laps. It was also unexpected which made it even better. The pole might not go down in the record books, but it was one of his best.

a full clean race today with a points finish please.

#20442 BCM

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 08:55

Never been a Schumacher fan, but fair play to him yesterday. Pulled it out of the bag right at the end. Bit of bad luck not being able to profit from the effort but that's life.

#20443 zelpre

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 09:58

So prediciton for today's race?

It could be a good race, but it can end horribly too. I'm just to much afraid of another collision...

#20444 Schumacher7

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 10:20

This is going to end remarkably well (podium/win) or horribly (another f*cking collision).

That's how I can see it going as well.

#20445 Pamphlet

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 10:23

So prediciton for today's race?

It could be a good race, but it can end horribly too. I'm just to much afraid of another collision...


P2 at best. Webber and Hamilton both have better chances of winning than him. Rosberg has equal chances.

#20446 olliek88

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 10:23

Various people would of picked up on the fact that i'm faaar from a Shuey fan (Ivan  ;) ) But was actually glad to see him put in such a great lap yesterday, top job! And then watching the lap back, one handed changing the brake bias through the fast swimming pool chicane was just :drunk: x10! Fair play, thats takes a lot of skill and balls.

I don't feel too well after typing that. :p

#20447 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 10:38

Various people would of picked up on the fact that i'm faaar from a Shuey fan (Ivan ;) ) But was actually glad to see him put in such a great lap yesterday, top job! And then watching the lap back, one handed changing the brake bias through the fast swimming pool chicane was just :drunk: x10! Fair play, thats takes a lot of skill and balls.

I don't feel too well after typing that. :p

 ;) :up: Lets enjoy the race.


#20448 Math89

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 11:08

Come on Schumacher!

I really hope it will not be another weekend were there was extreme joy on saturday and extreme sadness on sunday.



#20449 Tardis40

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 11:09

This is going to end remarkably well (podium/win) or horribly (another f*cking collision).


At least he's between two experienced drivers in Alonso and Massa. I'm a little nervous about Grosjean being so close however.


#20450 Longtimefan

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 11:25

I'm almost too nervous to watch this.

Go Schumi! Get a heap of points but watch out for Grosjean.