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#20451 tojeto

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:26

AGAIN!!!

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#20452 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:26

gearbox....

#20453 BetaVersion

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:27

That's it.

Problems for MSC :down:

#20454 nateshan

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:27

It continues........... Poor Michael.

#20455 Diablobb81

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:27

Can't believe this.

He could have fought for the win even with the penalty.

His pace as awesome.

Edited by Diablobb81, 27 May 2012 - 13:27.


#20456 mkoscevic

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:28

Another technical problem for him. Oh well...

#20457 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:31

At least he got the penalty now. If he was running at P1 while the car gives up, it would have been too much for me...

#20458 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:31

Guys am ****ing livid. Terrible season. beyond joke. Merc are shite.

#20459 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:32

I knew Mercedes were incapable of fielding 2 reliable cars at the same time

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#20460 Vic Vega

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:32

BAR Honda never fails to disappoint.

#20461 ali_M

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:33

Uh-oh :well:
Tough one that again.
His run of bad luck is becoming surreal.

#20462 BetaVersion

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:33

At least MSC did his part.

Farcical F1, the Master of Monaco made pole and should've won because had better pace than anybody.

Webber or Nico might win it, but they weren't the faster drivers.

I watch F1 to see who is the fastest and MSC showed that to me, this weekend

#20463 Lelouch

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:34

Almost 1/3 of the season ruined.. =/

#20464 Sof1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:35

Oh man! :mad:

#20465 tojeto

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:36

At least no penalty for next race, don't give up guys, the win will come.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:36

Perfect weather for MS right now. :rolleyes:
Incident between RG and MS will be investigated and (for sure) MS will get punished. His bad luck is not improving. Not that it was his fault ,but why not.
MS has fuel pressure problem.

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 13:40.


#20467 Longtimefan

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:37

Sick of Grosjean screwing his race up. :mad:

#20468 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:37

Almost 1/3 of the season ruined.. =/


He must think why do i bother. This race weekend had everything. He got Pole BUT the penalty from privious race ment he couldent stay there. He got hit (as usual) then his car failed (As usual) Yep i should know what to expect by now. ):

#20469 tojeto

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:39

Fuel pump failure appearantly

#20470 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:40

6 races

4 retirements


3 down to unreliability/ team incompetance.

Australia - gearbox
China - team error
Bahrain - DRS Q1 issues
Spain - driver error
Monaco - drive?


Welcome to BAR/Honda days

#20471 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:41

Fuel pump failure appearantly


means that only a engine failure is left for this year, together with hydraulic issues :well:

#20472 SeanValen

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:43

Maybe the grid penality happened to harshen the disappointment if Michael was leading and had a engine issue/ That might of been worser.

Easily the most unlucky driver of the season now if it wasn't clearer earlier.


Big shame to see what the end result might of been. 2 DNFS at Monaco 2 years in a row 2012/2011 and a unjust FIA penality for his 4th place in 2010, plus the grid penality entering 2012 Monaco. The man has had everything against him.

Extremely disappointing..

#20473 libano

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:44

yet the signs are positive. with a functioning car and without the penalty he could have won comfortably. the speed was definitely there.

#20474 TheMortalBard

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:47

6 races

4 retirements


3 down to unreliability/ team incompetance.

Australia - gearbox
China - team error
Bahrain - DRS Q1 issues
Spain - driver error
Monaco - drive?


Welcome to BAR/Honda days


Sepang - Grojean put him into a spin.

Incredible bad luck !

Edited by TheMortalBard, 27 May 2012 - 13:56.


#20475 SeanValen

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:53

6 races

4 retirements


3 down to unreliability/ team incompetance.

Australia - gearbox
China - team error
Bahrain - DRS Q1 issues
Spain - driver error
Monaco - drive?


Welcome to BAR/Honda days




The thing is most reliability across the grid is quite good. Mercedes Nico reliability has been excellent.



The misfortune is highly excessive and difficult to accept it, if this goes on, Michael deserves a award for human sporting motivation or something.


#20476 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:55

It's bound to work out at one point, right?

#20477 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:55

Sepang - Grojean put him into a spin.
China - Gearbox Penalty

Incredible bad luck !


Wow, every single race.

Nico has had 59 points from 4 races. That averages to almost a podium in each of those 4 races.

I think Schumacher has made his decision for 2013.......

#20478 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:56

It's bound to work out at one point, right?


You always hear the luck/bad luck evens it out over the season. If that´s the case, that must be a hell of a second half of the season...
To make it short: either it will happen in Canada or not anymore this year.

Edited by Urawa, 27 May 2012 - 13:57.


#20479 Atonal

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:57

Hmmm...what if Michael gets another penalty for Canada? I won't be surprised as his trend during 2012 suggests this?

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#20480 Absulute

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:58

Great day for the monaco master :)

#20481 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:59

Perfect weather for MS right now. :rolleyes:
Incident between RG and MS will be investigated and (for sure) MS will get punished. His bad luck is not improving. Not that it was his fault ,but why not.
MS has fuel pressure problem.


C'mon, lets not be the type of fans who get silly about this sort of thing.

Grosjean will have to show why he moved so far left, or otherwise I suspect he may get a penalty. I don't like to see them, but it would be consistent. He did cause an avoidable collision.

(Grosjean is fast, but just shows his inexperience I think. If he can work that out of him this season i think he could be very good).

I thought Schumi had a really encouraging weekend. If he had started from pole he was easily faster than anyone else, and he proved when in 7th he was catching the lead group until his problem. He had really good pace. And the quali was excellent.

The car failures are frustrating, but you can't fault the man this weekend. :up: Very encouraging.

#20482 baddog

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:59

bad fortune twice in one race.. but without Grosjean's error and the failure he would have been fighting for the podium/win places so hey, good takeaway for him and his fans I think.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:59

The thing is most reliability across the grid is quite good. Mercedes Nico reliability has been excellent.



The misfortune is highly excessive and difficult to accept it, if this goes on, Michael deserves a award for human sporting motivation or something.

This is the most pathetic thing I have seen in MY LIFE. 59-2 between Rosberg and Schumacher, for **** sake, these are the facts and the rest doesn't matter? I'd almost start to believe it. Without a major overhaul in the second half of the season, Schumacher leaves. For today, first he got stuck behind a totaled Raikkonen who actually couldn't impress me all weekend long (esp. compared to Grosjean). Grosjean cost Schumacher places with his self-elimination. MSCs fault. If we look at the consistency of the stewards.

His pace was perhaps not good enough for the win considering the strategy, everybody was going extremely slow and MS and Vettel a bit faster. A podium was almost 100% sure on the cards if we look at the pace Michael had at the end of the SS stint and the middle stint compared to the rest until he fell away, he made up about 10s if i recall correctly. Also he was one or the longest driver on SS.

Everybody who rabbles on about excellent racing and a fairytale from six winners in six races, please shut the duck up. The fragility of the tyres, with a midfielder being able to go 3s faster than the leaders pace, is just utter bullshit with the balance between speed and tyre saving ability being completely gone. The drivers could be even better than guys like Jimmy Clark who was renowned for saving tyres, but the combination here just does not work. In the older days it would have been much more consistent with not so much difference in time. How many passes have been here today, 2? Even DRS couldn't fix the spectacle-tyre situation.

Edited by Jejking, 27 May 2012 - 14:10.


#20484 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:59

Hmmm...what if Michael gets another penalty for Canada? I won't be surprised as his trend during 2012 suggests this?


Wouldn't surprise me, though he was squeezed onto the outside and it looked like a driving incident.

That said, is Dereck Warwick a steward?

#20485 baddog

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:00

Grosjean will either be penalised or let off if they decide he was bounced wide by Alsone. They wont even be considering a penalty for Michael that would be just silly.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:01

Hmmm...what if Michael gets another penalty for Canada? I won't be surprised as his trend during 2012 suggests this?


Of course he won't, it isn't Michael that is being investigated, he was blameless.

Come on guys, we take the piss if other fans adopt this 'poor driver is victimised/being sabotaged' thing. It isn't the case.

Good clean weekend from Schumi, and very good pace. He is driving well this year, we shouldn't lose sight of that.

#20487 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:07

Of course he won't, it isn't Michael that is being investigated, he was blameless.

Come on guys, we take the piss if other fans adopt this 'poor driver is victimised/being sabotaged' thing. It isn't the case.

Good clean weekend from Schumi, and very good pace. He is driving well this year, we shouldn't lose sight of that.



Mercedes seem unable to get Schumacher through to the end of the race. I am mighty frustrated by this season. 2 points is a frigging joke. The car may show promise. It is no good if you do not finish.
I can't see him staying on in 2013.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:08

Grosjean proved that hes an idiot once again
And Mercedes proved they are bunch of amateurs. If it happens just once more, I'll start to say they are sabotaging Michael.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:08

Grosjean will either be penalised or let off if they decide he was bounced wide by Alsone. They wont even be considering a penalty for Michael that would be just silly.


I thought the same after Spain...

I thought Mansell was the steward this race, what was his past beef with Schumacher?;)

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:09

I hope michael wins canadian gp. After all the misfortunes, im sure he's fired up as hell now knowing the win was his. I bet he will be 7th winner of the season.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

I get this feeling that if MSC finishes a race he might win it.

#20492 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

good thing is I was very impressed he made the softs last for 35 laps despite running in Kimis rear from the start and he was still in the '19 at the end of the stint.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

By the way.. TV commentators should be ashamed of their lack of analysis. Grosjean crunched Michael against the wall and they talked like it was a 50/50.. then they completely failed to notice him reeling in the cars in front by a second a lap for a chunk of the race before his car failed.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

It was announced that the incident was being investigated after MS had retired. I think he might have gone to the stewards and got them to have a look at it.
Given that MS was given a 10 place grid drop after the accident in spain, Grosjean could face a similar penalty for putting a driver into the barriers.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

I was just talking to myself there spacekid. Michael shouldn't be penalized and I think the driver steward is perhaps Mansell.
Healthy pace from the old timer and I think by the end he would have been right at the back of Massa. Well onwards to Canada, if there is a place that Michael just has to win it is Montreal.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:12

It was announced that the incident was being investigated after MS had retired. I think he might have gone to the stewards and got them to have a look at it.
Given that MS was given a 10 place grid drop after the accident in spain, Grosjean could face a similar penalty for putting a driver into the barriers.


good point. that would make sense.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:15

It was announced that the incident was being investigated after MS had retired. I think he might have gone to the stewards and got them to have a look at it.
Given that MS was given a 10 place grid drop after the accident in spain, Grosjean could face a similar penalty for putting a driver into the barriers.


5 place drop. It looked a lot like the stewards waited for Michael to retire before announcing the investigation.

Looking at the replays I don't think they should penalise Grosjean. He was tight with Alonso, Michael did nothing wrong but really no one had anywhere to go. I think Grosjean got a bad start, Michael got a good one and they met in the middle. It happens at Monaco.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:15

If the BAR-Mercedes not such a lame band as they are, Schumi could be the top of the WDC standings (70-80 points).

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:16

MS has rotten luck. Today he had pace to reach the podium is everything had gone well but...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:18

Looking at the replays I don't think they should penalise Grosjean. He was tight with Alonso, Michael did nothing wrong but really no one had anywhere to go. I think Grosjean got a bad start, Michael got a good one and they met in the middle. It happens at Monaco.

There was a full car width of space to Grosjean's right when he hit Michael, and zero space to Michael's left. Definitely his error, he simply didnt seem to notice Michael was there. Under current rules its a likely penalty.