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#20501 SenorSjon

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:08

Grosjean will either be penalised or let off if they decide he was bounced wide by Alsone. They wont even be considering a penalty for Michael that would be just silly.


I thought the same after Spain...

I thought Mansell was the steward this race, what was his past beef with Schumacher?;)

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#20502 chrisaix

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:09

I hope michael wins canadian gp. After all the misfortunes, im sure he's fired up as hell now knowing the win was his. I bet he will be 7th winner of the season.

#20503 stormshadow

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

I get this feeling that if MSC finishes a race he might win it.

#20504 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

good thing is I was very impressed he made the softs last for 35 laps despite running in Kimis rear from the start and he was still in the '19 at the end of the stint.

#20505 baddog

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

By the way.. TV commentators should be ashamed of their lack of analysis. Grosjean crunched Michael against the wall and they talked like it was a 50/50.. then they completely failed to notice him reeling in the cars in front by a second a lap for a chunk of the race before his car failed.

#20506 george1981

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

It was announced that the incident was being investigated after MS had retired. I think he might have gone to the stewards and got them to have a look at it.
Given that MS was given a 10 place grid drop after the accident in spain, Grosjean could face a similar penalty for putting a driver into the barriers.

#20507 Atonal

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

I was just talking to myself there spacekid. Michael shouldn't be penalized and I think the driver steward is perhaps Mansell.
Healthy pace from the old timer and I think by the end he would have been right at the back of Massa. Well onwards to Canada, if there is a place that Michael just has to win it is Montreal.

#20508 aliasj

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:12

It was announced that the incident was being investigated after MS had retired. I think he might have gone to the stewards and got them to have a look at it.
Given that MS was given a 10 place grid drop after the accident in spain, Grosjean could face a similar penalty for putting a driver into the barriers.


good point. that would make sense.

#20509 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:15

It was announced that the incident was being investigated after MS had retired. I think he might have gone to the stewards and got them to have a look at it.
Given that MS was given a 10 place grid drop after the accident in spain, Grosjean could face a similar penalty for putting a driver into the barriers.


5 place drop. It looked a lot like the stewards waited for Michael to retire before announcing the investigation.

Looking at the replays I don't think they should penalise Grosjean. He was tight with Alonso, Michael did nothing wrong but really no one had anywhere to go. I think Grosjean got a bad start, Michael got a good one and they met in the middle. It happens at Monaco.

#20510 Tarzaan

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:15

If the BAR-Mercedes not such a lame band as they are, Schumi could be the top of the WDC standings (70-80 points).

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:16

MS has rotten luck. Today he had pace to reach the podium is everything had gone well but...

#20512 baddog

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:18

Looking at the replays I don't think they should penalise Grosjean. He was tight with Alonso, Michael did nothing wrong but really no one had anywhere to go. I think Grosjean got a bad start, Michael got a good one and they met in the middle. It happens at Monaco.

There was a full car width of space to Grosjean's right when he hit Michael, and zero space to Michael's left. Definitely his error, he simply didnt seem to notice Michael was there. Under current rules its a likely penalty.

#20513 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:19

Well...

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#20514 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:19

Good think is MS will have new gearbox in Canada. I think he used already all gearbox for one normal season? He will use maybe 10-12 gearboxes this year.
MS was surprisingly fast with SS after Kimi pit. He quickly catch Lewis and that stop his progress. He was very fast with Softs too. So , I think he have race for win.
It is raining now.
When RG hit MS, I thought that MS tyre will come out of the rim. It was strong and tyre visually deformed at the impact.

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 14:22.


#20515 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:23

Well...

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Yep, that picture is pretty damning!!

I think after they bounced wheels Grosjean went left and Alonso right, so the gap to Alonso is exagreated at the point of contact with Schumi.

From the outboard it looks clearly Grosjeans fault. From the inboards I can see why it happened, because it tightens at Monaco and it is very difficult to place the car. I think Grosjean was simply caught unaware.

#20516 Augurk

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:24

Winner #7 in the 7th race of the year a 7 time wdc that's driving the no. 7 car? You heard it here first.

#20517 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:25

Winner #7 in the 7th race of the year a 7 time wdc that's driving the no. 7 car? You heard it here first.

:up:


#20518 FlashMaster

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:26

BAR Honda never fails to disappoint.


This. Bunch of amateurs.

#20519 Szoelloe

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:28

What MS goes through this season is a bad joke. I wasn't even surprised when he retired. Maybe some pagan ritual, or voodoo would help. Basically, they have a WDC contender car, that much is quite obvious by now, and MS has 2 points, and because of that they are god knows where in the WCC championship table.

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#20520 topical

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:29

An average of 0.5 points per race in a front running car. Incredible.

Another race or two of this and surely Mercedes ask him to support Roberg in WDC challenge with 1 year contract extension as reward?

#20521 Poep

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:30

Schumacher deserved the win. He was the fastest and most dedicated driver this weekend. If he started on pole, he would have won the race easily. He had blistering race pace today.

Too bad Mercedes keep letting him down. Now ONWARDS!

#20522 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:31

An average of 0.5 points per race in a front running car. Incredible.

Another race or two of this and surely Mercedes ask him to support Roberg in WDC challenge with 1 year contract extension as reward?


would be enough of a support if they start to deliver him a realiable car which is the least you can expect from a F1 team in 2012

#20523 Tarzaan

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:32

An average of 0.5 points per race in a front running car. Incredible.

Another race or two of this and surely Mercedes ask him to support Roberg in WDC challenge with 1 year contract extension as reward?



I strongly hope he won't do that...

#20524 SenorSjon

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:32

Did I understand correctly that he had "fuel pickup problems" and "not enough fuel to feed the engine" and "the engine needed more fuel than we thought". So he actually ran out of fuel? I hardly think so. If true, 20-25 laps underfueled is an awful mistake yet again.

#20525 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:34

Winner #7 in the 7th race of the year a 7 time wdc that's driving the no. 7 car? You heard it here first.


You think Mercedes may gave him a reliable car?

#20526 george1981

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:34

Just rewatched the incident again and even with the tap from Alonso Grosjean should still have been able to avoid the contact with MS.

#20527 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:34

Did I understand correctly that he had "fuel pickup problems" and "not enough fuel to feed the engine" and "the engine needed more fuel than we thought". So he actually ran out of fuel? I hardly think so. If true, 20-25 laps underfueled is an awful mistake yet again.

It was fuel pump problem I think. Not enough fuel pressure.


#20528 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:35

Did I understand correctly that he had "fuel pickup problems" and "not enough fuel to feed the engine" and "the engine needed more fuel than we thought". So he actually ran out of fuel? I hardly think so. If true, 20-25 laps underfueled is an awful mistake yet again.


No, its to do with the feed of fuel to the engine. Either a fuel pump issue or some sort of injection problem not being able to get a high enough rate of fuel into the engine. Silly little technical gremlin most other teams had ironed out long ago, along with gearboxes and DRS :rolleyes:

#20529 Szoelloe

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:38

Just rewatched the incident again and even with the tap from Alonso Grosjean should still have been able to avoid the contact with MS.

But he didn't I am really getting fed up with Lotus now. Even if KR is driving for them. The way they operate starts to resemble the darker days of Minardi.


#20530 F1Champion

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:39

Michael must be sick as a parrot knowing that if he had pole he would of had a great chance for a win, that is if the fuel pick up issue was due to damage with Grosjean (who should have a penalty slapped on him for the next race). If the fuel pick up would have been an issue without the contact then Mercedes really need to look at their QC because its costing them in the constructors.

That incident with Senna was so costly this weekend. He needs to avoid rookies at all costs.

Edited by F1Champion, 27 May 2012 - 14:40.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:44

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:47

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.

Definitely not, he had every right to be there with Alonso and Grosjean close to each other. But went Grosjean went all the way over to Schumacher, contact was inevitable. It was a wonder it cost him so little.

#20533 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:48

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Where should he have gone? He went to the LEFT because Grosjean went RIGHT and then Grosjean went LEFT and squeezed MS.

#20534 1Devil1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:48

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Please shut up! Your comments :down:



#20535 SenorSjon

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:48

Or Grosjean should stop hitting Schumacher?

Okay after six races:
66% chance of a technical/team issue, of those there is 75% chance it is race-ending.
50% chance of a crash.
33% chance he is hit bij Grosjean
100% chance if hit it was a Renault powered car


#20536 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


It was Grosjean's fault, I think it's pretty clear.

#20537 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.

It was way before the corner? Did you saw the incident? There is picture for you in post 20533. See 100meter sign.

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 14:51.


#20538 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Ok, serious question. Are you just trolling to get a reaction, or do you genuinly not understand motorsport?

If it is the latter, then I'll explain. Grosjean got a bad start, Michael had a good one. There was space for Michael to go down the left hand side of Grosjean and maybe make a pass. Thats called motor racing. Alonso and Grosjean had become bunched up, touched, and then spearated cutting off the track for Schumi. If Alonso and Grosejan had driven differently Schumi would have had space.

#20539 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

:wave:

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.

:wave:
no brainer, as you say :lol:

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#20540 SparkPlug

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:50

This season is eerily similar to Mika Hakkinen's 2001 campaign. The speed is very much there, but there is always some bad luck around the corner waiting to destroy his race.

I have a feeling that Schumacher's motivation is going to tail off just like Mika's did towards the end of 2001. With the way things have gone this season I wouldnt rule out a repeat of Spain 2001 either.

#20541 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:51

The thing with trolling is it disgueses itself as innocent ignorance, so everyone responds, because they aren't quite sure if its a serious comment that needs rebuttal...

#20542 Goron3

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:51

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Please avoid spamming onto the thread if you can :)

if you can go rewatch the start/look at the picture posted..Michael wasn't 3 wide into that corner, he was 3 wide along the straight at the start which happens every year. Very much necessary and a great way to make positions but unfortunately Grosjean turned into him completely. That said I don't think Grosjean is a bad driver, just lacking a bit of race craft :)

Hope that helps!

#20543 Sakae

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:52

This string of events is frustrating even for me. Just where it will stop? I wonder if mere his presence changes dynamics of various situations...

#20544 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:55

So between laps 47 and 57, when I reckon MSC had no cars blocking him and his car in good condition, he reduced the gap to the real leader Webber from 28.9 to 23.8 - more than 0.5 seconds per lap.

Edited by PoliFanAthic, 27 May 2012 - 14:55.


#20545 1Devil1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:55

I am not that disappointed a possible 7th place without the technical failure is not dream of us fans. we want to see Michael on the podium and not collecting points in the mid-pack. His time will come this year and montreal is his race to lose. Mercedes with DDRS will mighty around here and Michael ever was. if Michael car retire again I will fly to Stuttgart and kick Norberts ass

Edited by 1Devil1, 27 May 2012 - 14:56.


#20546 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:56

There is much bad luck involved. Odd numbers are clearly not bringing any luck. He need even number next year.

if Michael car retire again I will fly to Stuttgart and kick Norberts ass

I will support you in the kicking. Count on me.

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 14:58.


#20547 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:00

There is much bad luck involved. Odd numbers are clearly not bringing any luck. He need even number next year.


I have a feeling you'll be dissapointed come contract time.

Michael is driving really well this year, but does he really need to be 44 years old in 2013 driving around in 7th being hit by rookies and having mechanical failures while his team mate serenly drives to the podium places with slower outright pace?

If MS was 15 years younger staying at Merc could yield long term results, they have a fundamentally strong car this year in terms of pace, but there just isn't the time.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:09

Michael is definitely the unluckiest driver this year so far, it's really unusual to say that as it's pretty much the opposite of his title winning years.

Frankly, it's better to watch him quick and luckless than driving like an old man in 2010 where no luck can help. Success is only a question of when and not if.

Aside, I wonder how the outside would have worked for Michael at turn one, as the barrier comes in just before the corner. He may have had to back out anyway.

Edited by Disgrace, 27 May 2012 - 15:11.


#20549 BetaVersion

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:10

What is that Mclaren site which compare race's lap times?

Watching live, I think MSC had way better pace than everbody else after Kimi got out of his way.

#20550 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:15

What is that Mclaren site which compare race's lap times?

Watching live, I think MSC had way better pace than everbody else after Kimi got out of his way.

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php
http://www.fia.com/e...ace-history.pdf

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 15:19.