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#20501 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:40

6 races

4 retirements


3 down to unreliability/ team incompetance.

Australia - gearbox
China - team error
Bahrain - DRS Q1 issues
Spain - driver error
Monaco - drive?


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#20502 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:41

Fuel pump failure appearantly


means that only a engine failure is left for this year, together with hydraulic issues :well:

#20503 SeanValen

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:43

Maybe the grid penality happened to harshen the disappointment if Michael was leading and had a engine issue/ That might of been worser.

Easily the most unlucky driver of the season now if it wasn't clearer earlier.


Big shame to see what the end result might of been. 2 DNFS at Monaco 2 years in a row 2012/2011 and a unjust FIA penality for his 4th place in 2010, plus the grid penality entering 2012 Monaco. The man has had everything against him.

Extremely disappointing..

#20504 libano

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:44

yet the signs are positive. with a functioning car and without the penalty he could have won comfortably. the speed was definitely there.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:47

6 races

4 retirements


3 down to unreliability/ team incompetance.

Australia - gearbox
China - team error
Bahrain - DRS Q1 issues
Spain - driver error
Monaco - drive?


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Sepang - Grojean put him into a spin.

Incredible bad luck !

Edited by TheMortalBard, 27 May 2012 - 13:56.


#20506 SeanValen

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:53

6 races

4 retirements


3 down to unreliability/ team incompetance.

Australia - gearbox
China - team error
Bahrain - DRS Q1 issues
Spain - driver error
Monaco - drive?


Welcome to BAR/Honda days




The thing is most reliability across the grid is quite good. Mercedes Nico reliability has been excellent.



The misfortune is highly excessive and difficult to accept it, if this goes on, Michael deserves a award for human sporting motivation or something.


#20507 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:55

It's bound to work out at one point, right?

#20508 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:55

Sepang - Grojean put him into a spin.
China - Gearbox Penalty

Incredible bad luck !


Wow, every single race.

Nico has had 59 points from 4 races. That averages to almost a podium in each of those 4 races.

I think Schumacher has made his decision for 2013.......

#20509 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:56

It's bound to work out at one point, right?


You always hear the luck/bad luck evens it out over the season. If that´s the case, that must be a hell of a second half of the season...
To make it short: either it will happen in Canada or not anymore this year.

Edited by Urawa, 27 May 2012 - 13:57.


#20510 Atonal

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:57

Hmmm...what if Michael gets another penalty for Canada? I won't be surprised as his trend during 2012 suggests this?

#20511 Absulute

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:58

Great day for the monaco master :)

#20512 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:59

Perfect weather for MS right now. :rolleyes:
Incident between RG and MS will be investigated and (for sure) MS will get punished. His bad luck is not improving. Not that it was his fault ,but why not.
MS has fuel pressure problem.


C'mon, lets not be the type of fans who get silly about this sort of thing.

Grosjean will have to show why he moved so far left, or otherwise I suspect he may get a penalty. I don't like to see them, but it would be consistent. He did cause an avoidable collision.

(Grosjean is fast, but just shows his inexperience I think. If he can work that out of him this season i think he could be very good).

I thought Schumi had a really encouraging weekend. If he had started from pole he was easily faster than anyone else, and he proved when in 7th he was catching the lead group until his problem. He had really good pace. And the quali was excellent.

The car failures are frustrating, but you can't fault the man this weekend. :up: Very encouraging.

#20513 baddog

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:59

bad fortune twice in one race.. but without Grosjean's error and the failure he would have been fighting for the podium/win places so hey, good takeaway for him and his fans I think.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:59

The thing is most reliability across the grid is quite good. Mercedes Nico reliability has been excellent.



The misfortune is highly excessive and difficult to accept it, if this goes on, Michael deserves a award for human sporting motivation or something.

This is the most pathetic thing I have seen in MY LIFE. 59-2 between Rosberg and Schumacher, for **** sake, these are the facts and the rest doesn't matter? I'd almost start to believe it. Without a major overhaul in the second half of the season, Schumacher leaves. For today, first he got stuck behind a totaled Raikkonen who actually couldn't impress me all weekend long (esp. compared to Grosjean). Grosjean cost Schumacher places with his self-elimination. MSCs fault. If we look at the consistency of the stewards.

His pace was perhaps not good enough for the win considering the strategy, everybody was going extremely slow and MS and Vettel a bit faster. A podium was almost 100% sure on the cards if we look at the pace Michael had at the end of the SS stint and the middle stint compared to the rest until he fell away, he made up about 10s if i recall correctly. Also he was one or the longest driver on SS.

Everybody who rabbles on about excellent racing and a fairytale from six winners in six races, please shut the duck up. The fragility of the tyres, with a midfielder being able to go 3s faster than the leaders pace, is just utter bullshit with the balance between speed and tyre saving ability being completely gone. The drivers could be even better than guys like Jimmy Clark who was renowned for saving tyres, but the combination here just does not work. In the older days it would have been much more consistent with not so much difference in time. How many passes have been here today, 2? Even DRS couldn't fix the spectacle-tyre situation.

Edited by Jejking, 27 May 2012 - 14:10.


#20515 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 13:59

Hmmm...what if Michael gets another penalty for Canada? I won't be surprised as his trend during 2012 suggests this?


Wouldn't surprise me, though he was squeezed onto the outside and it looked like a driving incident.

That said, is Dereck Warwick a steward?

#20516 baddog

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:00

Grosjean will either be penalised or let off if they decide he was bounced wide by Alsone. They wont even be considering a penalty for Michael that would be just silly.

#20517 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:01

Hmmm...what if Michael gets another penalty for Canada? I won't be surprised as his trend during 2012 suggests this?


Of course he won't, it isn't Michael that is being investigated, he was blameless.

Come on guys, we take the piss if other fans adopt this 'poor driver is victimised/being sabotaged' thing. It isn't the case.

Good clean weekend from Schumi, and very good pace. He is driving well this year, we shouldn't lose sight of that.

#20518 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:07

Of course he won't, it isn't Michael that is being investigated, he was blameless.

Come on guys, we take the piss if other fans adopt this 'poor driver is victimised/being sabotaged' thing. It isn't the case.

Good clean weekend from Schumi, and very good pace. He is driving well this year, we shouldn't lose sight of that.



Mercedes seem unable to get Schumacher through to the end of the race. I am mighty frustrated by this season. 2 points is a frigging joke. The car may show promise. It is no good if you do not finish.
I can't see him staying on in 2013.

#20519 zelpre

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:08

Grosjean proved that hes an idiot once again
And Mercedes proved they are bunch of amateurs. If it happens just once more, I'll start to say they are sabotaging Michael.

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#20520 SenorSjon

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:08

Grosjean will either be penalised or let off if they decide he was bounced wide by Alsone. They wont even be considering a penalty for Michael that would be just silly.


I thought the same after Spain...

I thought Mansell was the steward this race, what was his past beef with Schumacher?;)

#20521 chrisaix

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:09

I hope michael wins canadian gp. After all the misfortunes, im sure he's fired up as hell now knowing the win was his. I bet he will be 7th winner of the season.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

I get this feeling that if MSC finishes a race he might win it.

#20523 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

good thing is I was very impressed he made the softs last for 35 laps despite running in Kimis rear from the start and he was still in the '19 at the end of the stint.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

By the way.. TV commentators should be ashamed of their lack of analysis. Grosjean crunched Michael against the wall and they talked like it was a 50/50.. then they completely failed to notice him reeling in the cars in front by a second a lap for a chunk of the race before his car failed.

#20525 george1981

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

It was announced that the incident was being investigated after MS had retired. I think he might have gone to the stewards and got them to have a look at it.
Given that MS was given a 10 place grid drop after the accident in spain, Grosjean could face a similar penalty for putting a driver into the barriers.

#20526 Atonal

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:10

I was just talking to myself there spacekid. Michael shouldn't be penalized and I think the driver steward is perhaps Mansell.
Healthy pace from the old timer and I think by the end he would have been right at the back of Massa. Well onwards to Canada, if there is a place that Michael just has to win it is Montreal.

#20527 aliasj

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:12

It was announced that the incident was being investigated after MS had retired. I think he might have gone to the stewards and got them to have a look at it.
Given that MS was given a 10 place grid drop after the accident in spain, Grosjean could face a similar penalty for putting a driver into the barriers.


good point. that would make sense.

#20528 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:15

It was announced that the incident was being investigated after MS had retired. I think he might have gone to the stewards and got them to have a look at it.
Given that MS was given a 10 place grid drop after the accident in spain, Grosjean could face a similar penalty for putting a driver into the barriers.


5 place drop. It looked a lot like the stewards waited for Michael to retire before announcing the investigation.

Looking at the replays I don't think they should penalise Grosjean. He was tight with Alonso, Michael did nothing wrong but really no one had anywhere to go. I think Grosjean got a bad start, Michael got a good one and they met in the middle. It happens at Monaco.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:15

If the BAR-Mercedes not such a lame band as they are, Schumi could be the top of the WDC standings (70-80 points).

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:16

MS has rotten luck. Today he had pace to reach the podium is everything had gone well but...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:18

Looking at the replays I don't think they should penalise Grosjean. He was tight with Alonso, Michael did nothing wrong but really no one had anywhere to go. I think Grosjean got a bad start, Michael got a good one and they met in the middle. It happens at Monaco.

There was a full car width of space to Grosjean's right when he hit Michael, and zero space to Michael's left. Definitely his error, he simply didnt seem to notice Michael was there. Under current rules its a likely penalty.

#20532 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:19

Well...

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#20533 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:19

Good think is MS will have new gearbox in Canada. I think he used already all gearbox for one normal season? He will use maybe 10-12 gearboxes this year.
MS was surprisingly fast with SS after Kimi pit. He quickly catch Lewis and that stop his progress. He was very fast with Softs too. So , I think he have race for win.
It is raining now.
When RG hit MS, I thought that MS tyre will come out of the rim. It was strong and tyre visually deformed at the impact.

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 14:22.


#20534 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:23

Well...

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Yep, that picture is pretty damning!!

I think after they bounced wheels Grosjean went left and Alonso right, so the gap to Alonso is exagreated at the point of contact with Schumi.

From the outboard it looks clearly Grosjeans fault. From the inboards I can see why it happened, because it tightens at Monaco and it is very difficult to place the car. I think Grosjean was simply caught unaware.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:24

Winner #7 in the 7th race of the year a 7 time wdc that's driving the no. 7 car? You heard it here first.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:25

Winner #7 in the 7th race of the year a 7 time wdc that's driving the no. 7 car? You heard it here first.

:up:


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:26

BAR Honda never fails to disappoint.


This. Bunch of amateurs.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:28

What MS goes through this season is a bad joke. I wasn't even surprised when he retired. Maybe some pagan ritual, or voodoo would help. Basically, they have a WDC contender car, that much is quite obvious by now, and MS has 2 points, and because of that they are god knows where in the WCC championship table.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:29

An average of 0.5 points per race in a front running car. Incredible.

Another race or two of this and surely Mercedes ask him to support Roberg in WDC challenge with 1 year contract extension as reward?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:30

Schumacher deserved the win. He was the fastest and most dedicated driver this weekend. If he started on pole, he would have won the race easily. He had blistering race pace today.

Too bad Mercedes keep letting him down. Now ONWARDS!

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:31

An average of 0.5 points per race in a front running car. Incredible.

Another race or two of this and surely Mercedes ask him to support Roberg in WDC challenge with 1 year contract extension as reward?


would be enough of a support if they start to deliver him a realiable car which is the least you can expect from a F1 team in 2012

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:32

An average of 0.5 points per race in a front running car. Incredible.

Another race or two of this and surely Mercedes ask him to support Roberg in WDC challenge with 1 year contract extension as reward?



I strongly hope he won't do that...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:32

Did I understand correctly that he had "fuel pickup problems" and "not enough fuel to feed the engine" and "the engine needed more fuel than we thought". So he actually ran out of fuel? I hardly think so. If true, 20-25 laps underfueled is an awful mistake yet again.

#20544 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:34

Winner #7 in the 7th race of the year a 7 time wdc that's driving the no. 7 car? You heard it here first.


You think Mercedes may gave him a reliable car?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:34

Just rewatched the incident again and even with the tap from Alonso Grosjean should still have been able to avoid the contact with MS.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:34

Did I understand correctly that he had "fuel pickup problems" and "not enough fuel to feed the engine" and "the engine needed more fuel than we thought". So he actually ran out of fuel? I hardly think so. If true, 20-25 laps underfueled is an awful mistake yet again.

It was fuel pump problem I think. Not enough fuel pressure.


#20547 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:35

Did I understand correctly that he had "fuel pickup problems" and "not enough fuel to feed the engine" and "the engine needed more fuel than we thought". So he actually ran out of fuel? I hardly think so. If true, 20-25 laps underfueled is an awful mistake yet again.


No, its to do with the feed of fuel to the engine. Either a fuel pump issue or some sort of injection problem not being able to get a high enough rate of fuel into the engine. Silly little technical gremlin most other teams had ironed out long ago, along with gearboxes and DRS :rolleyes:

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:38

Just rewatched the incident again and even with the tap from Alonso Grosjean should still have been able to avoid the contact with MS.

But he didn't I am really getting fed up with Lotus now. Even if KR is driving for them. The way they operate starts to resemble the darker days of Minardi.


#20549 F1Champion

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:39

Michael must be sick as a parrot knowing that if he had pole he would of had a great chance for a win, that is if the fuel pick up issue was due to damage with Grosjean (who should have a penalty slapped on him for the next race). If the fuel pick up would have been an issue without the contact then Mercedes really need to look at their QC because its costing them in the constructors.

That incident with Senna was so costly this weekend. He needs to avoid rookies at all costs.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:44

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.