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#20501 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:19

Well...

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#20502 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:19

Good think is MS will have new gearbox in Canada. I think he used already all gearbox for one normal season? He will use maybe 10-12 gearboxes this year.
MS was surprisingly fast with SS after Kimi pit. He quickly catch Lewis and that stop his progress. He was very fast with Softs too. So , I think he have race for win.
It is raining now.
When RG hit MS, I thought that MS tyre will come out of the rim. It was strong and tyre visually deformed at the impact.

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#20503 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:23

Well...

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Yep, that picture is pretty damning!!

I think after they bounced wheels Grosjean went left and Alonso right, so the gap to Alonso is exagreated at the point of contact with Schumi.

From the outboard it looks clearly Grosjeans fault. From the inboards I can see why it happened, because it tightens at Monaco and it is very difficult to place the car. I think Grosjean was simply caught unaware.

#20504 Augurk

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:24

Winner #7 in the 7th race of the year a 7 time wdc that's driving the no. 7 car? You heard it here first.

#20505 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:25

Winner #7 in the 7th race of the year a 7 time wdc that's driving the no. 7 car? You heard it here first.

:up:


#20506 FlashMaster

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:26

BAR Honda never fails to disappoint.


This. Bunch of amateurs.

#20507 Szoelloe

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:28

What MS goes through this season is a bad joke. I wasn't even surprised when he retired. Maybe some pagan ritual, or voodoo would help. Basically, they have a WDC contender car, that much is quite obvious by now, and MS has 2 points, and because of that they are god knows where in the WCC championship table.

#20508 topical

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:29

An average of 0.5 points per race in a front running car. Incredible.

Another race or two of this and surely Mercedes ask him to support Roberg in WDC challenge with 1 year contract extension as reward?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:30

Schumacher deserved the win. He was the fastest and most dedicated driver this weekend. If he started on pole, he would have won the race easily. He had blistering race pace today.

Too bad Mercedes keep letting him down. Now ONWARDS!

#20510 Urawa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:31

An average of 0.5 points per race in a front running car. Incredible.

Another race or two of this and surely Mercedes ask him to support Roberg in WDC challenge with 1 year contract extension as reward?


would be enough of a support if they start to deliver him a realiable car which is the least you can expect from a F1 team in 2012

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:32

An average of 0.5 points per race in a front running car. Incredible.

Another race or two of this and surely Mercedes ask him to support Roberg in WDC challenge with 1 year contract extension as reward?



I strongly hope he won't do that...

#20512 SenorSjon

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:32

Did I understand correctly that he had "fuel pickup problems" and "not enough fuel to feed the engine" and "the engine needed more fuel than we thought". So he actually ran out of fuel? I hardly think so. If true, 20-25 laps underfueled is an awful mistake yet again.

#20513 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:34

Winner #7 in the 7th race of the year a 7 time wdc that's driving the no. 7 car? You heard it here first.


You think Mercedes may gave him a reliable car?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:34

Just rewatched the incident again and even with the tap from Alonso Grosjean should still have been able to avoid the contact with MS.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:34

Did I understand correctly that he had "fuel pickup problems" and "not enough fuel to feed the engine" and "the engine needed more fuel than we thought". So he actually ran out of fuel? I hardly think so. If true, 20-25 laps underfueled is an awful mistake yet again.

It was fuel pump problem I think. Not enough fuel pressure.


#20516 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:35

Did I understand correctly that he had "fuel pickup problems" and "not enough fuel to feed the engine" and "the engine needed more fuel than we thought". So he actually ran out of fuel? I hardly think so. If true, 20-25 laps underfueled is an awful mistake yet again.


No, its to do with the feed of fuel to the engine. Either a fuel pump issue or some sort of injection problem not being able to get a high enough rate of fuel into the engine. Silly little technical gremlin most other teams had ironed out long ago, along with gearboxes and DRS :rolleyes:

#20517 Szoelloe

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:38

Just rewatched the incident again and even with the tap from Alonso Grosjean should still have been able to avoid the contact with MS.

But he didn't I am really getting fed up with Lotus now. Even if KR is driving for them. The way they operate starts to resemble the darker days of Minardi.


#20518 F1Champion

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:39

Michael must be sick as a parrot knowing that if he had pole he would of had a great chance for a win, that is if the fuel pick up issue was due to damage with Grosjean (who should have a penalty slapped on him for the next race). If the fuel pick up would have been an issue without the contact then Mercedes really need to look at their QC because its costing them in the constructors.

That incident with Senna was so costly this weekend. He needs to avoid rookies at all costs.

Edited by F1Champion, 27 May 2012 - 14:40.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:44

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:47

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.

Definitely not, he had every right to be there with Alonso and Grosjean close to each other. But went Grosjean went all the way over to Schumacher, contact was inevitable. It was a wonder it cost him so little.

#20521 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:48

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Where should he have gone? He went to the LEFT because Grosjean went RIGHT and then Grosjean went LEFT and squeezed MS.

#20522 1Devil1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:48

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Please shut up! Your comments :down:



#20523 SenorSjon

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:48

Or Grosjean should stop hitting Schumacher?

Okay after six races:
66% chance of a technical/team issue, of those there is 75% chance it is race-ending.
50% chance of a crash.
33% chance he is hit bij Grosjean
100% chance if hit it was a Renault powered car


#20524 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


It was Grosjean's fault, I think it's pretty clear.

#20525 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.

It was way before the corner? Did you saw the incident? There is picture for you in post 20533. See 100meter sign.

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 14:51.


#20526 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Ok, serious question. Are you just trolling to get a reaction, or do you genuinly not understand motorsport?

If it is the latter, then I'll explain. Grosjean got a bad start, Michael had a good one. There was space for Michael to go down the left hand side of Grosjean and maybe make a pass. Thats called motor racing. Alonso and Grosjean had become bunched up, touched, and then spearated cutting off the track for Schumi. If Alonso and Grosejan had driven differently Schumi would have had space.

#20527 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

:wave:

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.

:wave:
no brainer, as you say :lol:

#20528 SparkPlug

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:50

This season is eerily similar to Mika Hakkinen's 2001 campaign. The speed is very much there, but there is always some bad luck around the corner waiting to destroy his race.

I have a feeling that Schumacher's motivation is going to tail off just like Mika's did towards the end of 2001. With the way things have gone this season I wouldnt rule out a repeat of Spain 2001 either.

#20529 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:51

The thing with trolling is it disgueses itself as innocent ignorance, so everyone responds, because they aren't quite sure if its a serious comment that needs rebuttal...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:51

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Please avoid spamming onto the thread if you can :)

if you can go rewatch the start/look at the picture posted..Michael wasn't 3 wide into that corner, he was 3 wide along the straight at the start which happens every year. Very much necessary and a great way to make positions but unfortunately Grosjean turned into him completely. That said I don't think Grosjean is a bad driver, just lacking a bit of race craft :)

Hope that helps!

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:52

This string of events is frustrating even for me. Just where it will stop? I wonder if mere his presence changes dynamics of various situations...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:55

So between laps 47 and 57, when I reckon MSC had no cars blocking him and his car in good condition, he reduced the gap to the real leader Webber from 28.9 to 23.8 - more than 0.5 seconds per lap.

Edited by PoliFanAthic, 27 May 2012 - 14:55.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:55

I am not that disappointed a possible 7th place without the technical failure is not dream of us fans. we want to see Michael on the podium and not collecting points in the mid-pack. His time will come this year and montreal is his race to lose. Mercedes with DDRS will mighty around here and Michael ever was. if Michael car retire again I will fly to Stuttgart and kick Norberts ass

Edited by 1Devil1, 27 May 2012 - 14:56.


#20534 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:56

There is much bad luck involved. Odd numbers are clearly not bringing any luck. He need even number next year.

if Michael car retire again I will fly to Stuttgart and kick Norberts ass

I will support you in the kicking. Count on me.

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 14:58.


#20535 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:00

There is much bad luck involved. Odd numbers are clearly not bringing any luck. He need even number next year.


I have a feeling you'll be dissapointed come contract time.

Michael is driving really well this year, but does he really need to be 44 years old in 2013 driving around in 7th being hit by rookies and having mechanical failures while his team mate serenly drives to the podium places with slower outright pace?

If MS was 15 years younger staying at Merc could yield long term results, they have a fundamentally strong car this year in terms of pace, but there just isn't the time.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:09

Michael is definitely the unluckiest driver this year so far, it's really unusual to say that as it's pretty much the opposite of his title winning years.

Frankly, it's better to watch him quick and luckless than driving like an old man in 2010 where no luck can help. Success is only a question of when and not if.

Aside, I wonder how the outside would have worked for Michael at turn one, as the barrier comes in just before the corner. He may have had to back out anyway.

Edited by Disgrace, 27 May 2012 - 15:11.


#20537 BetaVersion

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:10

What is that Mclaren site which compare race's lap times?

Watching live, I think MSC had way better pace than everbody else after Kimi got out of his way.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:15

What is that Mclaren site which compare race's lap times?

Watching live, I think MSC had way better pace than everbody else after Kimi got out of his way.

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php
http://www.fia.com/e...ace-history.pdf

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 15:19.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:20

whats with this f**king sky sports..they are just chatting and f**cking around...I WANT TO HEARD FROM THE DRIVERS!! WHO IS INTERESTED IN WATCHING HOW BRUNDLE IS SWIMMING IN THE SWIMMING POOL FOOLS!

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:20

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php
http://www.fia.com/e...ace-history.pdf

Thank you  ;)

Since Kimi pit, Schumi was even faster than Webber for most part.

Fantastic pace

#20541 George Costanza

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:25

If the BAR-Mercedes not such a lame band as they are, Schumi could be the top of the WDC standings (70-80 points).



I agree with this; he would be looking at possible World Championship fight.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:26

Definitely not, he had every right to be there with Alonso and Grosjean close to each other. But went Grosjean went all the way over to Schumacher, contact was inevitable. It was a wonder it cost him so little.

I understand Alonso was dreadlocked behind Lewis and bumped Groo over Schumy, but the footage is not 100% clear.

#20543 Disgrace

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:30

whats with this f**king sky sports..they are just chatting and f**cking around...I WANT TO HEARD FROM THE DRIVERS!! WHO IS INTERESTED IN WATCHING HOW BRUNDLE IS SWIMMING IN THE SWIMMING POOL FOOLS!


All of the interviews will be on the website, as well as the BBC ones. Chillax.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:35

At the start of the season when Michael retired I wasn't so disappointed. "At least he has pace" I said. Then as the season went on I got more and more annoyed as one thing after another just went wrong for him and I knew time was running out for me to see the old Michael again.

But now, since Spain and now Monaco...I'm back in the ambivalent stage. I don't much care any more as you just know SOMETHING will go wrong. Something to ruin it all.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:42

At the start of the season when Michael retired I wasn't so disappointed. "At least he has pace" I said. Then as the season went on I got more and more annoyed as one thing after another just went wrong for him and I knew time was running out for me to see the old Michael again.

But now, since Spain and now Monaco...I'm back in the ambivalent stage. I don't much care any more as you just know SOMETHING will go wrong. Something to ruin it all.


I can't help but agree. It has got to that point now. You know something is going to go wrong. why?, because it normally does. Reliability has been so good in F1 for 2 years, Yet Schumacher can barely complete a race distance and 75% of that is because of the team. The other 15% is admittedly through his own errors

Edited by Massa_f1, 27 May 2012 - 15:42.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:43

You think Mercedes may gave him a reliable car?

I'm counting on a Mercedes mistake, accidentally giving him Rosbergs car...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:47

Just wondering, and haven't found a mention in the other threads on this- Was the gearbox problem possibly caused by a jarring from the contact at the start? Not that it's any consolation, but at least I'd like to think that Mercedes didn't fail him yet again by giving him a car that was inevitably going to retire. Imagine if he'd not had the penalty, started from pole, and retired from the lead late in the race... I'd be absolutely gutted.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:49

Just knew something like this was gonna happen. Michael fought like a lion though, with sensible approach, daring tactics, much later pitstops and fighting hard. Any reason why his car broke down.

The good thing is Mercedes publicly backs him, publicly sayhe should go on after this year, and next race, a total Merc track, no penalties anymore.

Canada will bring winner number 7. Michael Schumacher.



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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:51

At the start of the season when Michael retired I wasn't so disappointed. "At least he has pace" I said. Then as the season went on I got more and more annoyed as one thing after another just went wrong for him and I knew time was running out for me to see the old Michael again.

But now, since Spain and now Monaco...I'm back in the ambivalent stage. I don't much care any more as you just know SOMETHING will go wrong. Something to ruin it all.


I know what you mean.

However, I am relaxed as I have tickets for Silverstone (my first ever F1 race live after 22 years of watching!) and strongly believe Michael will have a great weekend there. All the signs - except reliability which must surely improve - look good.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:53

Just knew something like this was gonna happen. Michael fought like a lion though, with sensible approach, daring tactics, much later pitstops and fighting hard. Any reason why his car broke down.

The good thing is Mercedes publicly backs him, publicly sayhe should go on after this year, and next race, a total Merc track, no penalties anymore.

Canada will bring winner number 7. Michael Schumacher.



Mercedes were not backing him before this weekend though. The likes of Nick Fry saying he must improve. Which i thought was a bit of cheek considering the amount of points the team has lost him this year.