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#20551 Jejking

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:47

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.

Definitely not, he had every right to be there with Alonso and Grosjean close to each other. But went Grosjean went all the way over to Schumacher, contact was inevitable. It was a wonder it cost him so little.

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#20552 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:48

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Where should he have gone? He went to the LEFT because Grosjean went RIGHT and then Grosjean went LEFT and squeezed MS.

#20553 1Devil1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:48

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Please shut up! Your comments :down:



#20554 SenorSjon

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:48

Or Grosjean should stop hitting Schumacher?

Okay after six races:
66% chance of a technical/team issue, of those there is 75% chance it is race-ending.
50% chance of a crash.
33% chance he is hit bij Grosjean
100% chance if hit it was a Renault powered car


#20555 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


It was Grosjean's fault, I think it's pretty clear.

#20556 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.

It was way before the corner? Did you saw the incident? There is picture for you in post 20533. See 100meter sign.

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 14:51.


#20557 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Ok, serious question. Are you just trolling to get a reaction, or do you genuinly not understand motorsport?

If it is the latter, then I'll explain. Grosjean got a bad start, Michael had a good one. There was space for Michael to go down the left hand side of Grosjean and maybe make a pass. Thats called motor racing. Alonso and Grosjean had become bunched up, touched, and then spearated cutting off the track for Schumi. If Alonso and Grosejan had driven differently Schumi would have had space.

#20558 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:49

:wave:

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.

:wave:
no brainer, as you say :lol:

#20559 SparkPlug

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:50

This season is eerily similar to Mika Hakkinen's 2001 campaign. The speed is very much there, but there is always some bad luck around the corner waiting to destroy his race.

I have a feeling that Schumacher's motivation is going to tail off just like Mika's did towards the end of 2001. With the way things have gone this season I wouldnt rule out a repeat of Spain 2001 either.

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#20560 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:51

The thing with trolling is it disgueses itself as innocent ignorance, so everyone responds, because they aren't quite sure if its a serious comment that needs rebuttal...

#20561 Goron3

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:51

Does Schumy understands that he can't go three wide into that corner :confused:

MS should have backed off... thats a no brainer.


Please avoid spamming onto the thread if you can :)

if you can go rewatch the start/look at the picture posted..Michael wasn't 3 wide into that corner, he was 3 wide along the straight at the start which happens every year. Very much necessary and a great way to make positions but unfortunately Grosjean turned into him completely. That said I don't think Grosjean is a bad driver, just lacking a bit of race craft :)

Hope that helps!

#20562 Sakae

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:52

This string of events is frustrating even for me. Just where it will stop? I wonder if mere his presence changes dynamics of various situations...

#20563 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:55

So between laps 47 and 57, when I reckon MSC had no cars blocking him and his car in good condition, he reduced the gap to the real leader Webber from 28.9 to 23.8 - more than 0.5 seconds per lap.

Edited by PoliFanAthic, 27 May 2012 - 14:55.


#20564 1Devil1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:55

I am not that disappointed a possible 7th place without the technical failure is not dream of us fans. we want to see Michael on the podium and not collecting points in the mid-pack. His time will come this year and montreal is his race to lose. Mercedes with DDRS will mighty around here and Michael ever was. if Michael car retire again I will fly to Stuttgart and kick Norberts ass

Edited by 1Devil1, 27 May 2012 - 14:56.


#20565 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 14:56

There is much bad luck involved. Odd numbers are clearly not bringing any luck. He need even number next year.

if Michael car retire again I will fly to Stuttgart and kick Norberts ass

I will support you in the kicking. Count on me.

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 14:58.


#20566 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:00

There is much bad luck involved. Odd numbers are clearly not bringing any luck. He need even number next year.


I have a feeling you'll be dissapointed come contract time.

Michael is driving really well this year, but does he really need to be 44 years old in 2013 driving around in 7th being hit by rookies and having mechanical failures while his team mate serenly drives to the podium places with slower outright pace?

If MS was 15 years younger staying at Merc could yield long term results, they have a fundamentally strong car this year in terms of pace, but there just isn't the time.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:09

Michael is definitely the unluckiest driver this year so far, it's really unusual to say that as it's pretty much the opposite of his title winning years.

Frankly, it's better to watch him quick and luckless than driving like an old man in 2010 where no luck can help. Success is only a question of when and not if.

Aside, I wonder how the outside would have worked for Michael at turn one, as the barrier comes in just before the corner. He may have had to back out anyway.

Edited by Disgrace, 27 May 2012 - 15:11.


#20568 BetaVersion

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:10

What is that Mclaren site which compare race's lap times?

Watching live, I think MSC had way better pace than everbody else after Kimi got out of his way.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:15

What is that Mclaren site which compare race's lap times?

Watching live, I think MSC had way better pace than everbody else after Kimi got out of his way.

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php
http://www.fia.com/e...ace-history.pdf

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 15:19.


#20570 zelpre

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:20

whats with this f**king sky sports..they are just chatting and f**cking around...I WANT TO HEARD FROM THE DRIVERS!! WHO IS INTERESTED IN WATCHING HOW BRUNDLE IS SWIMMING IN THE SWIMMING POOL FOOLS!

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:20

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php
http://www.fia.com/e...ace-history.pdf

Thank you  ;)

Since Kimi pit, Schumi was even faster than Webber for most part.

Fantastic pace

#20572 George Costanza

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:25

If the BAR-Mercedes not such a lame band as they are, Schumi could be the top of the WDC standings (70-80 points).



I agree with this; he would be looking at possible World Championship fight.

#20573 IceSkyrim

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:26

Definitely not, he had every right to be there with Alonso and Grosjean close to each other. But went Grosjean went all the way over to Schumacher, contact was inevitable. It was a wonder it cost him so little.

I understand Alonso was dreadlocked behind Lewis and bumped Groo over Schumy, but the footage is not 100% clear.

#20574 Disgrace

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:30

whats with this f**king sky sports..they are just chatting and f**cking around...I WANT TO HEARD FROM THE DRIVERS!! WHO IS INTERESTED IN WATCHING HOW BRUNDLE IS SWIMMING IN THE SWIMMING POOL FOOLS!


All of the interviews will be on the website, as well as the BBC ones. Chillax.

#20575 Scotracer

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:35

At the start of the season when Michael retired I wasn't so disappointed. "At least he has pace" I said. Then as the season went on I got more and more annoyed as one thing after another just went wrong for him and I knew time was running out for me to see the old Michael again.

But now, since Spain and now Monaco...I'm back in the ambivalent stage. I don't much care any more as you just know SOMETHING will go wrong. Something to ruin it all.

#20576 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:42

At the start of the season when Michael retired I wasn't so disappointed. "At least he has pace" I said. Then as the season went on I got more and more annoyed as one thing after another just went wrong for him and I knew time was running out for me to see the old Michael again.

But now, since Spain and now Monaco...I'm back in the ambivalent stage. I don't much care any more as you just know SOMETHING will go wrong. Something to ruin it all.


I can't help but agree. It has got to that point now. You know something is going to go wrong. why?, because it normally does. Reliability has been so good in F1 for 2 years, Yet Schumacher can barely complete a race distance and 75% of that is because of the team. The other 15% is admittedly through his own errors

Edited by Massa_f1, 27 May 2012 - 15:42.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:43

You think Mercedes may gave him a reliable car?

I'm counting on a Mercedes mistake, accidentally giving him Rosbergs car...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:47

Just wondering, and haven't found a mention in the other threads on this- Was the gearbox problem possibly caused by a jarring from the contact at the start? Not that it's any consolation, but at least I'd like to think that Mercedes didn't fail him yet again by giving him a car that was inevitably going to retire. Imagine if he'd not had the penalty, started from pole, and retired from the lead late in the race... I'd be absolutely gutted.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:49

Just knew something like this was gonna happen. Michael fought like a lion though, with sensible approach, daring tactics, much later pitstops and fighting hard. Any reason why his car broke down.

The good thing is Mercedes publicly backs him, publicly sayhe should go on after this year, and next race, a total Merc track, no penalties anymore.

Canada will bring winner number 7. Michael Schumacher.



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#20580 spacekid

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:51

At the start of the season when Michael retired I wasn't so disappointed. "At least he has pace" I said. Then as the season went on I got more and more annoyed as one thing after another just went wrong for him and I knew time was running out for me to see the old Michael again.

But now, since Spain and now Monaco...I'm back in the ambivalent stage. I don't much care any more as you just know SOMETHING will go wrong. Something to ruin it all.


I know what you mean.

However, I am relaxed as I have tickets for Silverstone (my first ever F1 race live after 22 years of watching!) and strongly believe Michael will have a great weekend there. All the signs - except reliability which must surely improve - look good.

#20581 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:53

Just knew something like this was gonna happen. Michael fought like a lion though, with sensible approach, daring tactics, much later pitstops and fighting hard. Any reason why his car broke down.

The good thing is Mercedes publicly backs him, publicly sayhe should go on after this year, and next race, a total Merc track, no penalties anymore.

Canada will bring winner number 7. Michael Schumacher.



Mercedes were not backing him before this weekend though. The likes of Nick Fry saying he must improve. Which i thought was a bit of cheek considering the amount of points the team has lost him this year.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:56

Just knew something like this was gonna happen. Michael fought like a lion though, with sensible approach, daring tactics, much later pitstops and fighting hard. Any reason why his car broke down.

The good thing is Mercedes publicly backs him, publicly sayhe should go on after this year, and next race, a total Merc track, no penalties anymore.

Canada will bring winner number 7. Michael Schumacher.


:up:
My thoughts exactly, this is starting to get rediculas.
Looking at the racepace he could have won today whitout the penalty.
I'm hoping MS keeps his cool and doesn't throw in the towel at the end of the year.

But even if Montreal suits the merc like no other. There is the unpredictable factor in the tire that can spoil the party.
Let's hope for a trouble free weekend, nobody deserves this more than MS at the moment

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:57

Mercedes were not backing him before this weekend though. The likes of Nick Fry saying he must improve. Which i thought was a bit of cheek considering the amount of points the team has lost him this year.


Fry never said that, please post a source.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 16:48

Insane how much time he lost behind Kimi.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 16:52

Insane how much time he lost behind Kimi.


Yep. Lotus pitwall was as dumb as it gets though.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 16:58

100% Grosjean's fault in that incident. Not because he slammed into Schuey, but because he slammed into Alonso (which inevitably caused him to slam into Schuey).

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:01

100% Grosjean's fault in that incident. Not because he slammed into Schuey, but because he slammed into Alonso (which inevitably caused him to slam into Schuey).


Looked to me that Alonso moved across into Grosjean.

#20588 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:32

Just wondering, and haven't found a mention in the other threads on this- Was the gearbox problem possibly caused by a jarring from the contact at the start? Not that it's any consolation, but at least I'd like to think that Mercedes didn't fail him yet again by giving him a car that was inevitably going to retire. Imagine if he'd not had the penalty, started from pole, and retired from the lead late in the race... I'd be absolutely gutted.

it was a fuel pump problem...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:50

I seen the onboard from Alonso's car, and the gap was a lot smaller than his car, he's not compltetly blameless. Schumacher on the other hand was blameless

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:55

There is no need to look for culprits.

Alonso was easily in front of Romain and going faster, so he was entitled to move.

Grosjean was simply pushed wide.

Schumacher went as far as he could, only thing he could have done is lifted.

Racing incident. No one did anything stupid.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:57

Now searching the blame for Alonso??? :lol:

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:03

There is no need to look for culprits.

Alonso was easily in front of Romain and going faster, so he was entitled to move.

Grosjean was simply pushed wide.

Schumacher went as far as he could, only thing he could have done is lifted.

Racing incident. No one did anything stupid.


If he was so easily in front, how did their front wheels manage to bang together?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:04

What a disappointing race. Even after the start accident and some KR slowdown MS clearly had a great pace... only to have another DNF. Onto Canada! I'm sure Michael will shine there!

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:05

No, I just said he wasn't completely blameless, that's all.


Now searching the blame for Alonso??? :lol:



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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:07

If he was so easily in front, how did their front wheels manage to bang together?


Alonso was nealy a car lenght in front, and going faster. He can push Romain wide if he wants.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:08

Looked to me that Alonso moved across into Grosjean.


Video footage suggests otherwise.

And no, Schuey did not have "great pace". Yes, he was held up by Raikkonen. No, he wouldn't have caught or kept up with Rosberg if that hadn't happened.

Another race to forget. At least Massa did well.

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#20597 Clatter

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:12

Alonso was nealy a car lenght in front, and going faster. He can push Romain wide if he wants.


He can try, but if the other car is alongside they have no obligation to move out of the way and any resulting impact is the responsibility of the guy making the move

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:13

Wonder if the BBC is now man enough to run an article heading: Schumacher demands Mercedes improvement.;)

#20599 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:16

Nice to see Brawn admit Schumacher deserved better. I have been saying this since 2011. The team has let him down far to often.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:17

Video footage suggests otherwise.

And no, Schuey did not have "great pace". Yes, he was held up by Raikkonen. No, he wouldn't have caught or kept up with Rosberg if that hadn't happened.

Another race to forget. At least Massa did well.


Schumacher wouldv likely ended behind Massa, so that would be a good result, too.

He was 20 seconds behind P1 at lap 25, and 44 seconds behind at lap 37 because of Raikonen.

When his fuel problem occured that difference was down to less than 20 seconds again, due to great pace and excellent control. Anyone saying Schumacher had a bad race didnt pay attention.

Edited by TheBunk, 27 May 2012 - 18:18.