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#20551 Pits

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:56

Just knew something like this was gonna happen. Michael fought like a lion though, with sensible approach, daring tactics, much later pitstops and fighting hard. Any reason why his car broke down.

The good thing is Mercedes publicly backs him, publicly sayhe should go on after this year, and next race, a total Merc track, no penalties anymore.

Canada will bring winner number 7. Michael Schumacher.


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My thoughts exactly, this is starting to get rediculas.
Looking at the racepace he could have won today whitout the penalty.
I'm hoping MS keeps his cool and doesn't throw in the towel at the end of the year.

But even if Montreal suits the merc like no other. There is the unpredictable factor in the tire that can spoil the party.
Let's hope for a trouble free weekend, nobody deserves this more than MS at the moment

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:57

Mercedes were not backing him before this weekend though. The likes of Nick Fry saying he must improve. Which i thought was a bit of cheek considering the amount of points the team has lost him this year.


Fry never said that, please post a source.

#20553 Diablobb81

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 16:48

Insane how much time he lost behind Kimi.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 16:52

Insane how much time he lost behind Kimi.


Yep. Lotus pitwall was as dumb as it gets though.


#20555 Pamphlet

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 16:58

100% Grosjean's fault in that incident. Not because he slammed into Schuey, but because he slammed into Alonso (which inevitably caused him to slam into Schuey).

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:01

100% Grosjean's fault in that incident. Not because he slammed into Schuey, but because he slammed into Alonso (which inevitably caused him to slam into Schuey).


Looked to me that Alonso moved across into Grosjean.

#20557 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:32

Just wondering, and haven't found a mention in the other threads on this- Was the gearbox problem possibly caused by a jarring from the contact at the start? Not that it's any consolation, but at least I'd like to think that Mercedes didn't fail him yet again by giving him a car that was inevitably going to retire. Imagine if he'd not had the penalty, started from pole, and retired from the lead late in the race... I'd be absolutely gutted.

it was a fuel pump problem...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:50

I seen the onboard from Alonso's car, and the gap was a lot smaller than his car, he's not compltetly blameless. Schumacher on the other hand was blameless

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:55

There is no need to look for culprits.

Alonso was easily in front of Romain and going faster, so he was entitled to move.

Grosjean was simply pushed wide.

Schumacher went as far as he could, only thing he could have done is lifted.

Racing incident. No one did anything stupid.

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#20560 puxanando

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:57

Now searching the blame for Alonso??? :lol:

#20561 Clatter

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:03

There is no need to look for culprits.

Alonso was easily in front of Romain and going faster, so he was entitled to move.

Grosjean was simply pushed wide.

Schumacher went as far as he could, only thing he could have done is lifted.

Racing incident. No one did anything stupid.


If he was so easily in front, how did their front wheels manage to bang together?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:04

What a disappointing race. Even after the start accident and some KR slowdown MS clearly had a great pace... only to have another DNF. Onto Canada! I'm sure Michael will shine there!

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:05

No, I just said he wasn't completely blameless, that's all.


Now searching the blame for Alonso??? :lol:



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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:07

If he was so easily in front, how did their front wheels manage to bang together?


Alonso was nealy a car lenght in front, and going faster. He can push Romain wide if he wants.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:08

Looked to me that Alonso moved across into Grosjean.


Video footage suggests otherwise.

And no, Schuey did not have "great pace". Yes, he was held up by Raikkonen. No, he wouldn't have caught or kept up with Rosberg if that hadn't happened.

Another race to forget. At least Massa did well.

Edited by Pamphlet, 27 May 2012 - 18:09.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:12

Alonso was nealy a car lenght in front, and going faster. He can push Romain wide if he wants.


He can try, but if the other car is alongside they have no obligation to move out of the way and any resulting impact is the responsibility of the guy making the move

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:13

Wonder if the BBC is now man enough to run an article heading: Schumacher demands Mercedes improvement.;)

#20568 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:16

Nice to see Brawn admit Schumacher deserved better. I have been saying this since 2011. The team has let him down far to often.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:17

Video footage suggests otherwise.

And no, Schuey did not have "great pace". Yes, he was held up by Raikkonen. No, he wouldn't have caught or kept up with Rosberg if that hadn't happened.

Another race to forget. At least Massa did well.


Schumacher wouldv likely ended behind Massa, so that would be a good result, too.

He was 20 seconds behind P1 at lap 25, and 44 seconds behind at lap 37 because of Raikonen.

When his fuel problem occured that difference was down to less than 20 seconds again, due to great pace and excellent control. Anyone saying Schumacher had a bad race didnt pay attention.

Edited by TheBunk, 27 May 2012 - 18:18.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:19

Video footage suggests otherwise.

And no, Schuey did not have "great pace". Yes, he was held up by Raikkonen. No, he wouldn't have caught or kept up with Rosberg if that hadn't happened.

Another race to forget. At least Massa did well.

Yes he did, and no he wouldn't have caught Rosberg if not held up because Rosberg was several cars in front and it would have been nearly impossible for Schumacher to get past Massa let alone pass all the cars between himself and Rosberg.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:20

Wonder if the BBC is now man enough to run an article heading: Schumacher demands Mercedes improvement.;)


Bunk, seriously, have you ever seen or heard MS make a negative comment on his team, or any of its members, or publicly demand anything?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:20

He can try, but if the other car is alongside they have no obligation to move out of the way and any resulting impact is the responsibility of the guy making the move


No. If the other guy has room left to react and still go full throttle he´s just being a moron and causing an unnecesary incident. Schumacher showed the way to do it in Monaco 2004 start.

According to what you say, if Alonso hadn´t responded to Maldonado´s defense on Spain into turn 1 and had gone straight, the contact would be Maldonado´s fault, which is ridiculous. Maldonado was in front, and he was entitled to squeeze Alonso without pushing him off the track.

Edited by Skinnyguy, 27 May 2012 - 18:27.


#20573 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:33

As i have said in earlier posts. As daft as some of you may think it sounds. Someone at Mercedes does not want Michael there. There has been far to many gremlins on Schumacher's side of the garage.
To be honest i think its getting obvious the team want Di Resta there.

To me Mercedes and Schumacher do not fit.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:38

No. If the other guy has room left to react and still go full throttle he´s just being a moron and causing an unnecesary incident. Schumacher showed the way to do it in Monaco 2004 start.

According to what you say, if Alonso hadn´t responded to Maldonado´s defense on Spain into turn 1 and had gone straight, the contact would be Maldonado´s fault, which is ridiculous. Maldonado was in front, and he was entitled to squeeze Alonso without pushing him off the track.


Disagree. The incident is down to the one making the move, they have to make sure they are clear before trying to occupy a piece of road already occupied by another car.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:44

Disagree. The incident is down to the one making the move, they have to make sure they are clear before trying to occupy a piece of road already occupied by another car.


Well you´re entitled to your opinion on how racing etiquette should be, but I´m afraid that watching F1 racing shows that it´s working the other way around: it´s accepted that the guy with the nose in front pushes the guy behind wide providing he leaves room for him to stay full throttle and doesn´t push him off the track.

#20576 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:44

Schumacher wouldv likely ended behind Massa, so that would be a good result, too.

He was 20 seconds behind P1 at lap 25, and 44 seconds behind at lap 37 because of Raikonen.

When his fuel problem occured that difference was down to less than 20 seconds again, due to great pace and excellent control. Anyone saying Schumacher had a bad race didnt pay attention.


More like anyone who is saying he had a bad race wanted him to have one. I had the live laptimes up and once he was free off Kimi he was lapping on the leaders pace. He would of finished in 7th (higher if you could pass on this track) if not for Mercedes.

#20577 Clatter

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:58

Well you´re entitled to your opinion on how racing etiquette should be, but I´m afraid that watching F1 racing shows that it´s working the other way around: it´s accepted that the guy with the nose in front pushes the guy behind wide providing he leaves room for him to stay full throttle and doesn´t push him off the track.


But it's OK to push him into another car then?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:03

Video footage suggests otherwise.

And no, Schuey did not have "great pace". Yes, he was held up by Raikkonen. No, he wouldn't have caught or kept up with Rosberg if that hadn't happened.

And ,yes his pace was very good:
http://en.mclarenf-1.....=Nico Rosberg
From 1:23.9 to 1:19.2 is big improvement after Kimi pit. The problem is he catch Lewis 3 laps after and he slow him down ,so he pit. After that his pace was similar to Rosberg/frontrunners. Fastest lap from both.

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 19:32.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:03

But it's OK to push him into another car then?


There was enough room between ALO and MSC to stay in full throttle. Without contact, and Gro getting scooped left, he could have stayed on it.

This thing RSC did here is "pushing into another car".

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Edited by Skinnyguy, 27 May 2012 - 19:04.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:07

But it's OK to push him into another car then?

As you know, you have to leave space all the time. RG didn't leave, he binned MS in the barrier.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:28

They said that Michael and Grosjean accident will be investigated after the race.

There was no confirmation that there was no further action? Grosjean that bastard should be penalised.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:37

Grosjean that bastard should be penalised.


No he shouldn't. It was a start line incident. Grosjean had nowhere to go after getting punted by Alonso.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:42

I thought it was just one of these things that happens (as incidentally I thought Schumacher vs Senna was), but history has shown that I appear to be very lenient or accepting when it comes to contact. However, I don't know if it's been mentioned, but there's probably quite a possibility that hitting Senna 2 weeks ago stopped today with the fuel problems turning into one of those real "feel-bad" stories in that Schumi has lost 7th because of the problems. Had he not hit Senna then it's possible that the car may have broke down in the lead today.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:46

No he shouldn't. It was a start line incident. Grosjean had nowhere to go after getting punted by Alonso.


He moved to the left too aggresivelly. He has mirrors he saw Michael on the left. What a rokiee he is, hes proving that every race.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:48

No he shouldn't. It was a start line incident. Grosjean had nowhere to go after getting punted by Alonso.


He should see what will happen. He should see alonso's line and Hamilton...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:48

once again my conspiracy theory on michael's comeback remains... his car broke..

he has yet in the last 10 races to have a mechanically trouble-free weekend; drs, kers, engine, wheel change, gearbox, free practice problems ... it just keeps going on and on

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:49

I thought it was just one of these things that happens (as incidentally I thought Schumacher vs Senna was), but history has shown that I appear to be very lenient or accepting when it comes to contact. However, I don't know if it's been mentioned, but there's probably quite a possibility that hitting Senna 2 weeks ago stopped today with the fuel problems turning into one of those real "feel-bad" stories in that Schumi has lost 7th because of the problems. Had he not hit Senna then it's possible that the car may have broke down in the lead today.

This cars are rebuild from scratch you know and maybe what was left from Barcelona is the chassis only. And this problem was engine problem, maybe it was new engine. But, I doubt they work on the engines on the weekends, they just take them out and mount them.

No he shouldn't. It was a start line incident. Grosjean had nowhere to go after getting punted by Alonso.

Why the hell he was over Alonso, his way ahead was free? Even at the start there is avoidable incidents. Not to bounce from car to car. Or because Alonso was passing him he have to hit him?

Edited by ivand911, 27 May 2012 - 19:52.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:52

What do you think about a possible sabotage? It seems some people from the Merc squad wants di Resta to the second Merc very. I read today in several forums that this unlucky series (machanical failures, pit stop errors, DRS problem in the Q1) maybe not a coincident...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:52

"I THINK YOU HAVE TO LEAVE A SPACE, ALL OF THE TIME YOU HAVE TO LEAVE A SPACE!"

#20590 ivand911

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:57

What do you think about a possible sabotage? It seems some people from the Merc squad wants di Resta to the second Merc very. I read today in several forums that this unlucky series (machanical failures, pit stop errors, DRS problem in the Q1) maybe not a coincident...

I don't think anyone at Mercedes want DiResta? Why they will want him? I think that Nico get everything good and MS get the bad parts. When there is risk, let give it to MS.


#20591 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:58


What do you think about a possible sabotage? It seems some people from the Merc squad wants di Resta to the second Merc very. I read today in several forums that this unlucky series (machanical failures, pit stop errors, DRS problem in the Q1) maybe not a coincident...


lol I just posted the exact same thing earlier up the page. I know what side i am leaning towards.

#20592 Szoelloe

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:58

No he shouldn't. It was a start line incident. Grosjean had nowhere to go after getting punted by Alonso.


Well, it was, there is no question about that. He created the situation though. It was an inexperienced, dumb start, and a tad overambitious. He doesn't seem to be a multi-tasker. He bit more than he could swallow, and got punished.

#20593 zelpre

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 20:00

What do you think about a possible sabotage? It seems some people from the Merc squad wants di Resta to the second Merc very. I read today in several forums that this unlucky series (machanical failures, pit stop errors, DRS problem in the Q1) maybe not a coincident...


Lets share the link then...

#20594 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 20:01

I don't think anyone at Mercedes want DiResta? Why they will want him? I think that Nico get everything good and MS get the bad parts. When there is risk, let give it to MS.


People from Mecedes have been saying his name alot after Spain. This is were this story has come from.

#20595 Clatter

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 20:03

What do you think about a possible sabotage? It seems some people from the Merc squad wants di Resta to the second Merc very. I read today in several forums that this unlucky series (machanical failures, pit stop errors, DRS problem in the Q1) maybe not a coincident...


Well it must all be true then if you read it in some foruns. :rotfl:

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 20:04

Di Resta would have taken more points in the Mercedes than Schumacher in the past races.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 20:05

GROSJEAN must be penalized. He moved on left without seeing his left side! This guy is handless and need a 5 grid position penalty to calm him

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 20:06

I don't think anyone at Mercedes want DiResta? Why they will want him? I think that Nico get everything good and MS get the bad parts. When there is risk, let give it to MS.



Nick Fry? He said that this week.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 20:06

Di Resta would have taken more points in the Mercedes than Schumacher in the past races.


:up: true!


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 20:07

Di Resta would have taken more points in the Mercedes than Schumacher in the past races.


Seriously, apart from intending to stick the knife in the soft parts, how have you come to that conclusion?