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#20651 Octavian

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 22:31

Talk of sabotage is ludicrous. Nobody wants to see Michael succeed more than Ross Brawn and he'd never ever stand for that. Mercedes HQ are also praying for a Schumacher win - the publicity and exposure would be enormous.

Schumacher will win this season I'm sure of it! :)

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 22:37

Talk of sabotage is ludicrous. Nobody wants to see Michael succeed more than Ross Brawn and he'd never ever stand for that. Mercedes HQ are also praying for a Schumacher win - the publicity and exposure would be enormous.

Schumacher will win this season I'm sure of it! :)



Perhaps even starting at the next race in Montreal. He has a great chance.

#20653 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 22:48

Talk of sabotage is ludicrous. Nobody wants to see Michael succeed more than Ross Brawn and he'd never ever stand for that. Mercedes HQ are also praying for a Schumacher win - the publicity and exposure would be enormous.

Schumacher will win this season I'm sure of it! :)


Well, they need to start giving him a reliable car then.

At the end of the day, this hurts Mercedes more than anyone else. They have spent millions yet are still incapable of fielding two reliable car on the same track at the same time.

Schumacher doesn't have anything left to prove, his records stand alone and he is peerless in that respect. He has achieved everything, his presence bought extra millions in sponsorship, top flight engineers and the team have recieved 10x extra exposure. It is time they started paying him back with decent machinery. 59-2 is a joke, 4 retirements is a joke and this is a team that want to win championships.

Like I said, this hurts Mercedes more than anything else, it makes them look pathetic in terms of reliability. Look how popular Schumacher's pole was...and then he was let down. At the end of the day, it results in losses of millions in terms of exposure, car sales, Concorde agreement money etc.

Sort it out Mercedes or MS walks away and your profile plummets and you become anonymous like the BAR/ HONDA days.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 22:52

Bunk, seriously, have you ever seen or heard MS make a negative comment on his team, or any of its members, or publicly demand anything?


He should. Maybe they might start building proper cars for him then.

Look at Alonso, he shouts on the radio to tell them to leave him alone, not bother him, he commands respect. Vettel is supposed to be a bastard in debriefing. Montoya was the same. This nicey-nicey approach does not work. Show some ruthlessness and command their respect.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 23:19

He should. Maybe they might start building proper cars for him then.

Look at Alonso, he shouts on the radio to tell them to leave him alone, not bother him, he commands respect. Vettel is supposed to be a bastard in debriefing. Montoya was the same. This nicey-nicey approach does not work. Show some ruthlessness and command their respect.


Would you expand on that?

#20656 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 23:19

He should. Maybe they might start building proper cars for him then.

Look at Alonso, he shouts on the radio to tell them to leave him alone, not bother him, he commands respect. Vettel is supposed to be a bastard in debriefing. Montoya was the same. This nicey-nicey approach does not work. Show some ruthlessness and command their respect.


I fully respect MSC for not getting frustrated with the team in public. However i think its time he said something, and maybe has already behind closed doors.
He has done what has been asked of him in every race this year apart for the silly shunt with Senna He is performing the best he has since his return. However he as no reward for it

2 points is a joke. Only the drivers from the new teams have less. I am far from impressed with Mercedes, and if it happens again MSC should say something in public. Hamilton and co often do.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 23:31

Bunk, seriously, have you ever seen or heard MS make a negative comment on his team, or any of its members, or publicly demand anything?


I was joking, wondering if mech faulure number 4 out of 6 would now get a tabloid headline like that at the BBC F1 section. :)

And no, Schumacher has never said stuff like that, and neither did Fry say Schumacher should quit, or did Brawn and Mercedes that only Schumacher must improve. Actually, I think the team is very close a in good harmony.

Edited by TheBunk, 27 May 2012 - 23:31.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 23:36

MS is extremelly ethical in terms of public speaking. I can't see him ever bashing his team openly although I am pretty sure they have all kinds of conversations behind closed doors. Yeah he probably would show some annoyance in public about general state of things be it tires, some on track maneuvres or inconsistency of marshalling yet he will not blame the team. This is one of those things that make him a great champion.

Edited by exmayol, 27 May 2012 - 23:37.


#20659 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 23:38

Would you expand on that?


Alonso in Melbourne 2010 'i dont want any more radio' (ie leave me alone)

Canada 2005 - 'what more do i have to do????'

He gets very angry and the team just cool off and leave him alone. Lewis too vents his frustration in public regularly. No point being a team player if the team give u shit equipment 70% of the time.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 00:06

I fully respect MSC for not getting frustrated with the team in public. However i think its time he said something, and maybe has already behind closed doors.
He has done what has been asked of him in every race this year apart for the silly shunt with Senna He is performing the best he has since his return. However he as no reward for it

2 points is a joke. Only the drivers from the new teams have less. I am far from impressed with Mercedes, and if it happens again MSC should say something in public. Hamilton and co often do.

I agree. Under the old points system, he wouldn't even have a point! It's not a true reflection on his ability, and people are starting to have misconceptions that he's under performing, which is obviously far from the truth. The last time I remember a driver having such a terrible start to the year was Kubica in 2009. He didn't score until round 7. I'm hoping Schumacher can reboot his championship at Canada. The championship is gone, but a victory would bring him back to a reasonable tally.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 00:12

MS is extremelly ethical in terms of public speaking. I can't see him ever bashing his team openly although I am pretty sure they have all kinds of conversations behind closed doors. Yeah he probably would show some annoyance in public about general state of things be it tires, some on track maneuvres or inconsistency of marshalling yet he will not blame the team. This is one of those things that make him a great champion.


It's better if he takes his frustrations out on Lewis and others in FP's, than get emotional and publicly make negative remarks about the team. Publicly blaming the team for his misfortunes is an absolute no, no, especially if he feels within himself that the team is equally frustrated by his misfortunes. Even in the event that he IS being sabotaged, such treachery would not come from the team but likely from a team member with one or two accomplices if any.

Again, Michael publicly speaking against the team would be royally stupid and he of all people knows better than this. In fact, now is the time to be doing the very opposite. OTOH, I'm pretty sure he's making his frustrations known in-house and will be getting his hands dirty into trying to iron things out.

I wish him and Mercedes well. What a difficult time!! :mad:

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 00:15

Alonso in Melbourne 2010 'i dont want any more radio' (ie leave me alone)

Canada 2005 - 'what more do i have to do????'

He gets very angry and the team just cool off and leave him alone. Lewis too vents his frustration in public regularly. No point being a team player if the team give u shit equipment 70% of the time.


Venting frustrations publicly is quite different from criticising the team in the way that's being suggested at the moment.

Funnily, Schumi will vent his frustration in other ways, as he did with Lewis in FP at Barcelona and immediately after his crash in Barcelona when he seemed to call Bruno an idiot.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 01:47

no sanction for grosjean though. on what basis does he escape but michael take 5 grid penalty. surely grosjean moved into michael nearly putting him into a real wall( havent heard him squeel lke reubinho though) which did kill his race chances especially given this is monaco.

michael hits senna going nowhere but ending his own race and he takes 5 grid penalty. the consistancy??

michael must be in the most unreliable car on the grid - an absolute disgrace for mercedes and clear - isnt he responsible after all for the car come gp?

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 03:51

no sanction for grosjean though. on what basis does he escape but michael take 5 grid penalty. surely grosjean moved into michael nearly putting him into a real wall( havent heard him squeel lke reubinho though) which did kill his race chances especially given this is monaco.

michael hits senna going nowhere but ending his own race and he takes 5 grid penalty. the consistancy??

I can only assume the lack of penalty is because Michael's car was apparently undamaged.

Penalties like Spain are stupid but that's the modern sport for you.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 04:05

if there were to be a penalty it shouldve gone to alonso for cutting across grosjean anyway

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 06:29

Talk of sabotage is ludicrous. Nobody wants to see Michael succeed more than Ross Brawn and he'd never ever stand for that. Mercedes HQ are also praying for a Schumacher win - the publicity and exposure would be enormous.

Schumacher will win this season I'm sure of it! :)



The BAR crew is not only Ross Brawn, and the Merc HQ are far from Barckley...

#20668 black magic

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 07:04

agreed baddog but losing the 2 places was a massive penalty at monaco circuit.

no comment re michael hard against barrier before grosjean moved back into him.

the guy just can't buy a break.

how soon before mercedes sacrifice his race to maximise nico's chances?

just massive hearing the crowd reaction to his pole - at least someone from fia didnt stop him from attending press conference as pole sitter.

guess unless its michael or hamilton the stewards are able to look at things dispassionately and agree it was just racing - but then so was spain.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 07:15

I see this new Michael in the way Michael would like us to see: a new chapter with different mentality, with different approach and evidently with new speed. I am sure Michael is aware of the fact that he is not the same driver, however he didn't see it as a quit call, instead a challenge he had just found. That, alone, creates huge respect from me. He's nicer, he's more open to public and he's more cheerful than any Schumacher I've ever witnessed.

He won't be as ruthless as the old Schumacher and I like that. I don't want to see "the old" Schumacher. People change, times change, so does Michael. He didn't continue his career, he started to build one. I'm restpectful of this. I'm respectful of his mature way, of his win-lose-together approach. And with this weekend, he showed he can still be capable of producing results in a race where five people had a reasonable chance for pole.

The best victory of Michael so for is the ability to beat himself, the old one, to create a new Michael for both himself and Formula 1. I think we should enjoy it, rather than getting furious or trolling. We should celebrate a man of 43, who achieved more than any other could ever achieve, still there fighting with "younglings" with a speed everyone should respect. Not everyone loves him, but when he's gone, everybody will respect for him. That makes him special.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 07:24

how soon before mercedes sacrifice his race to maximise nico's chances?

I think they do it from race 1?


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Posted 28 May 2012 - 07:37

Fear not, he shall be on the podium in Canada.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 08:50

I think they do it from race 1?

:rolleyes:

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 09:09

Fear not, he shall be on the podium in Canada.


Expect NOTHING, be happy with anything. This is what I've come to expect from Schumacher's results of late.

Brawn was right - they've let him down so so badly it's almost comical

Australia - gearbox
Malaysia - Grosjean punting him
China - loose wheel
Bahrain - Q1 qualifying/DRS issue
Spain - Senna accident
Monaco - fuel pump issue

It is beyond a joke. I don't think it is sabotage though, just a catalogue of events that will inevitably see Schumacher walk away at the end of the 2012 with no motivation left and a bemused look on his face at how a team with such resources can **** up so regularly and be incapable of fielding two reliable cars at the same time on the same track.

It really is like the BAR/Honda days. Ok, they might be quicker slightly but the same DNA runs through them.

You know, the situation is so shit, I actually feel sick. The feeling is mildly like the one I experienced when I lost my job and had no way of supporting my young wife and daughter at the time - a sort of pathetic helplessness (ok I may be exaggerating a little but you get what I mean)

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 28 May 2012 - 09:13.


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Posted 28 May 2012 - 09:22

Expect NOTHING, be happy with anything. This is what I've come to expect from Schumacher's results of late.

Brawn was right - they've let him down so so badly it's almost comical

Australia - gearbox
Malaysia - Grosjean punting him
China - loose wheel
Bahrain - Q1 qualifying/DRS issue
Spain - Senna accident
Monaco - fuel pump issue

It is beyond a joke. I don't think it is sabotage though, just a catalogue of events that will inevitably see Schumacher walk away at the end of the 2012 with no motivation left and a bemused look on his face at how a team with such resources can **** up so regularly and be incapable of fielding two reliable cars at the same time on the same track.

It really is like the BAR/Honda days. Ok, they might be quicker slightly but the same DNA runs through them.

You know, the situation is so shit, I actually feel sick. The feeling is mildly like the one I experienced when I lost my job and had no way of supporting my young wife and daughter at the time - a sort of pathetic helplessness (ok I may be exaggerating a little but you get what I mean)


I get how you feel. 2 points is sickening and makes him look terrible (on the scoreboard anyway). Podiums and and big points have been possible. As he has been in the best shape since his return. Instead he is left with nothing.

I am sick of seeing the Mercedes with the red helmet always pulling to the side of the track and slowing down. It is becoming a common sight.

I really cant see how anyone can argue he deserves better than 2 stupid points. Even non Schumacher fans

Edited by Massa_f1, 28 May 2012 - 09:23.


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Posted 28 May 2012 - 09:29

I see this new Michael in the way Michael would like us to see: a new chapter with different mentality, with different approach and evidently with new speed. I am sure Michael is aware of the fact that he is not the same driver, however he didn't see it as a quit call, instead a challenge he had just found. That, alone, creates huge respect from me. He's nicer, he's more open to public and he's more cheerful than any Schumacher I've ever witnessed.

He won't be as ruthless as the old Schumacher and I like that. I don't want to see "the old" Schumacher. People change, times change, so does Michael. He didn't continue his career, he started to build one. I'm restpectful of this. I'm respectful of his mature way, of his win-lose-together approach. And with this weekend, he showed he can still be capable of producing results in a race where five people had a reasonable chance for pole.

The best victory of Michael so for is the ability to beat himself, the old one, to create a new Michael for both himself and Formula 1. I think we should enjoy it, rather than getting furious or trolling. We should celebrate a man of 43, who achieved more than any other could ever achieve, still there fighting with "younglings" with a speed everyone should respect. Not everyone loves him, but when he's gone, everybody will respect for him. That makes him special.


I want. Because this new version sometimes act like a ***

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 10:45

I am sick of seeing the Mercedes with the red helmet always pulling to the side of the track and slowing down. It is becoming a common sight.


It's not that uncommon. Scroll back to 1985 and Niki Lauda's year and you find pretty much the same. Lauda's second career, he was still capable of winning (like he did in 1985) but his luck was horrible and he duly retired.

I wonder what it is?

Could it be that the mental focus, the ultimate will is not there anymore and that's why they draw all the technical problems? Or is it indeed conspiracy theory and the team being consciously or subconsciously behind the young guy, who is their future (Prost, Rosberg).....?

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 11:05

Its just the nature of things.. sometimes things go wrong and it is neither deliberate nor is the 'victim' to blame.

given time it will all even out

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 11:06

Guys do you think that now Schumi has made pole position, he will rediscover some belief, i mean even the most confident of drivers, until they get a result lack some belief, Schumi has done it all before, but since his comeback, 4th has been the best, but now he 100% knows that he is at the level he needs to be at to race at the front, do you think it will unlock more speed? i think it will make him much stronger for the rest of the year

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 11:08

Guys do you think that now Schumi has made pole position, he will rediscover some belief, i mean even the most confident of drivers, until they get a result lack some belief, Schumi has done it all before, but since his comeback, 4th has been the best, but now he 100% knows that he is at the level he needs to be at to race at the front, do you think it will unlock more speed? i think it will make him much stronger for the rest of the year


That´s what I said a while ago too and I think a podium or win will hopefully end that current bad streak and give him another boost, so: yes!

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 11:10

That´s what I said a while ago too and I think a podium or win will hopefully end that current bad streak and give him another boost, so: yes!


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Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:19

autosport.com - Saturday, May 26th 2012, 13:59 GMT
Schumacher :
"I have to say a great thanks to all the team, particularly some of the guys who work very closely with me - we had a special session earlier this week that unified and united us even further.

Does Loic Bigeois departure the first visible element of the above mentionned session above?
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Things aren't what they appears to be team wise...
Nico and Michael are internally strongly disagreeing on some items (tyres for sure, what else? aero?) and the son of and maybe the father of are putting more weight using the 59/2 as lever.
Would not be surprised to see N. Fry playing along with the Rosberg pair which would rather see the young Di Resta coming in to help Nico rather than observing the attention spent on the old fart with the red hat.
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But hopefully Ross will manage that :

Mercedes pledges to sort Michael Schumacher's problems after Monaco retirement
autosport.com - Sunday, May 27th 2012, 17:26 GMT

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes team boss Ross Brawn has pledged to resolve the issues that have plagued Michael Schumacher's 2012 Formula 1 season after the seven-time champion had another troubled race in Monte Carlo.
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As long as nobody ask Sir Stirling Moss advice on this matter our hope to see Michael on top of a F1 podium are realistic! Canada would be nice...

Edited by jjpm, 28 May 2012 - 12:21.


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Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:25

autosport.com - Saturday, May 26th 2012, 13:59 GMT
Schumacher :
"I have to say a great thanks to all the team, particularly some of the guys who work very closely with me - we had a special session earlier this week that unified and united us even further.

Does Loic Bigeois departure the first visible element of the above mentionned session above?
---------------------
Things aren't what they appears to be team wise...
Nico and Michael are internally strongly disagreeing on some items (tyres for sure, what else? aero?) and the son of and maybe the father of are putting more weight using the 59/2 as lever.
Would not be surprised to see N. Fry playing along with the Rosberg pair which would rather see the young Di Resta coming in to help Nico rather than observing the attention spent on the old fart with the red hat.
--------------------
But hopefully Ross will manage that :

Mercedes pledges to sort Michael Schumacher's problems after Monaco retirement
autosport.com - Sunday, May 27th 2012, 17:26 GMT

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes team boss Ross Brawn has pledged to resolve the issues that have plagued Michael Schumacher's 2012 Formula 1 season after the seven-time champion had another troubled race in Monte Carlo.
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As long as nobody ask Sir Stirling Moss advice on this matter our hope to see Michael on top of a F1 podium are realistic! Canada would be nice...


He invited his crew to his home to analyse the first 5 races, what to improve etc.
That´s what he told RTL and I guess this was the special session.

#20683 eoin

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:29

As long as nobody ask Sir Stirling Moss advice on this matter our hope to see Michael on top of a F1 podium are realistic! Canada would be nice...


A podium would be a start and Canada will be one of Schumacher's best opportunities. It should suit the car and it has been one of Schumacher's strongest tracks. Of course it all depends on the tyres working on the day.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:43

autosport.com - Saturday, May 26th 2012, 13:59 GMT
Schumacher :
"I have to say a great thanks to all the team, particularly some of the guys who work very closely with me - we had a special session earlier this week that unified and united us even further.

Does Loic Bigeois departure the first visible element of the above mentionned session above?
---------------------
Things aren't what they appears to be team wise...
Nico and Michael are internally strongly disagreeing on some items (tyres for sure, what else? aero?) and the son of and maybe the father of are putting more weight using the 59/2 as lever.
Would not be surprised to see N. Fry playing along with the Rosberg pair which would rather see the young Di Resta coming in to help Nico rather than observing the attention spent on the old fart with the red hat.
--------------------
But hopefully Ross will manage that :

Mercedes pledges to sort Michael Schumacher's problems after Monaco retirement
autosport.com - Sunday, May 27th 2012, 17:26 GMT

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes team boss Ross Brawn has pledged to resolve the issues that have plagued Michael Schumacher's 2012 Formula 1 season after the seven-time champion had another troubled race in Monte Carlo.
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As long as nobody ask Sir Stirling Moss advice on this matter our hope to see Michael on top of a F1 podium are realistic! Canada would be nice...


I hardly think Bigois was working closely with MS. RB would never let any driver interfere with the situation and welfare of a leading design-engineer in his team. It has been documented by RB that the difference of understanding was basically between GW and LB. Bigois is highly regarded, but it would be hard to argue that in the past few years he justified himself. There have been basic structural changes in the tech department on all levels in the past 6-8 months, and he did not fit in that, it seems. If there are differences between MS and NR, well that I would call quite normal. They have their own teams around them, they don't have to be buddies. Though the noises are that they get on better than expected. Fry, on the other hand is a dick. He was, if you you look at the resources he had at his disposal at Honda, the least successful TP of all time, and any time he opened his mouth, he was on the level of Boullier, if you get what I mean. On the other hand, the fact that after two years, with Brawn's 2 week off because of illness, he surfaces at once, and starts the BS where he left off 2 years ago, kind of worries me too. Sir Moss? He is not even a dinosaur, more like a fossil. He is entitled to his opinions, but I hardly think anybody would take him seriously, let alone ask for his opinion.

Edited by Szoelloe, 28 May 2012 - 12:44.


#20685 jjpm

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 13:39

I do trust my sources and I think the happy faces of Nico and Michael is a decoy for press, sponsors and fans, inside its a different story, look at the tyres :
Michael make his statement on the lottery tyres and the day after Nico declare : nope the tyres are perfect, I like them, they're a challenge...
even Norbert Haug made a declaration indicating that the tyres were ok. I definitely believe that Nico, especially after his victory in China is trying to play a more important role in the team at large.
as far as Sir Moss is concerned he seems to me being part of the endurance lobby inside Daimler-Mercedes (vying for money from the board? )...


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Posted 28 May 2012 - 14:08

I do trust my sources and I think the happy faces of Nico and Michael is a decoy for press, sponsors and fans, inside its a different story, look at the tyres :
Michael make his statement on the lottery tyres and the day after Nico declare : nope the tyres are perfect, I like them, they're a challenge...
even Norbert Haug made a declaration indicating that the tyres were ok. I definitely believe that Nico, especially after his victory in China is trying to play a more important role in the team at large.
as far as Sir Moss is concerned he seems to me being part of the endurance lobby inside Daimler-Mercedes (vying for money from the board? )...


NR has never said the tyres are perfect. Neither did Haug. What they said was perfectly in line with what all the other teams had publicly stated. On the other hand, Haug also publicly stated that the team stands by MS in his views of the tyres. So far, Mercedes is the only team that has commented openly on the negative attributes of the Pirellis, mainly because they have a driver that is in the position to voice them without setting his team on the backfoot in front of the media. As for NR, he has been playing mind games for 2 years now, you may have noticed that. He has always had a subtly different view on any topic that concerned MS. As I said, they don't have to be buddies. Both are top drivers, its part of the game, let them do it, and let Brawn deal with it. For the past two years, grudges between their drivers(and there were none, IMHO), were the least of their problems, and even NR has understood that the they have a common goal. Yes, NR will be on- or is - on edge now, because MS will get some extra attention for the next few races, and it is not like he was conveniently beating MS so far, if qualys are anything to go by. They will have their hands full of each other this season, and if you are trying to say that will disrupt the team, you are dead wrong, IMHO. It is a sign of Merc stepping up a level. And Moss is still a nobody when it comes to internal team matters.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 14:10

Could it be that the mental focus, the ultimate will is not there anymore and that's why they draw all the technical problems? Or is it indeed conspiracy theory and the team being consciously or subconsciously behind the young guy, who is their future (Prost, Rosberg).....?

No, that makes no sense whatsoever, it would explain a lower quality of driving but not attracting technical problems. This is F1 not religion, it's based on science not bullshit. Lack of "will" and "focus" does not cause components in a car to fail, a stupid suggestion to even think about entertaining.

#20688 Schumacher7

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 14:13

I am sick of seeing the Mercedes with the red helmet always pulling to the side of the track and slowing down. It is becoming a common sight.

I know, I dread that every race now, the camera cutting away to a red helmeted mercedes driver climbing out of the car or trundling around the track.

#20689 sniper80

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 14:46

yes it was the same with Damon Hill & Mika Hakkinen before they retired for good.

#20690 Massa_f1

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 14:58

yes it was the same with Damon Hill & Mika Hakkinen before they retired for good.


Does kind of remind me a little of Hill's last year with Jordan. Frentzen was winning yet Hill was either crashing or having problems with his car, but this is when it was common. Now you rarely see a car fail. apart from Schumacher's and maybe one of the new teams.

Edited by Massa_f1, 28 May 2012 - 14:59.


#20691 ivand911

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 15:31

He invited his crew to his home to analyse the first 5 races, what to improve etc.
That´s what he told RTL and I guess this was the special session.

And that work very well. I understand that he invited his engineers , I guess - Bono and JC?

I do trust my sources and I think the happy faces of Nico and Michael is a decoy for press, sponsors and fans, inside its a different story, look at the tyres :
Michael make his statement on the lottery tyres and the day after Nico declare : nope the tyres are perfect, I like them, they're a challenge...
even Norbert Haug made a declaration indicating that the tyres were ok. I definitely believe that Nico, especially after his victory in China is trying to play a more important role in the team at large.
as far as Sir Moss is concerned he seems to me being part of the endurance lobby inside Daimler-Mercedes (vying for money from the board? )...

What surprise you here? They are not friends, they have different opinions? It is normal. They are just team mates. Nothing more. They are not oblige to talk the same things. Their experience in life and F1 is different. They look differently on the future of F1. Maybe MS don't want to watch fake f1 when he retire. Maybe Nico don't mind to drive in WWE. This way he can become eventually F1 Champion. Maybe driving slowly(not pushing hard) suits him.

Edited by ivand911, 28 May 2012 - 15:39.


#20692 ivand911

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 16:04

Michael Schumacher should stay at Mercedes - Ross Brawn
http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/18234511

Benson again have to fill any article about MS with shit in the end. Again he have to remind that MS was told to up his game( absolutely lie), he was the one who print that lie in the first place. And it is 4 retirements.

About MS, I think he will stay next year only because he will think that he will have strong car. He expect a lot from new guys. And of course what will follow from now will be important too.

Edited by ivand911, 28 May 2012 - 16:06.


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Posted 28 May 2012 - 16:16

Michael Schumacher should stay at Mercedes - Ross Brawn
http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/18234511

Benson again have to fill any article about MS with shit in the end. Again he have to remind that MS was told to up his game( absolutely lie), he was the one who print that lie in the first place. And it is 4 retirements.

About MS, I think he will stay next year only because he will think that he will have strong car. He expect a lot from new guys. And of course what will follow from now will be important too.



To be honest a week ago I would happy about this article, but now, I prefer to leave that team immediately. Maybe after a Montreal race win, but i doubt his car will finish the race...

#20694 Sakae

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 16:22

...stay with Mercedes one more year, rather than retire (as opposed to changing teams), I gather.

#20695 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 16:51

I'd rather he go to another team or retire altogether than stay with BAR...I mean Mercedes.

If Schumacher leaves - as far removed from his prime as he may be - Mercedes' sporting image takes a massive hit; they'll be seen as the team that was unable to provide the most decorated driver in F1 history with a reliable car whilst Schumacher was still seen as a very strong driver.


Schumacher has done everything right in 2012 - barring Barcelona - while Mercedes haven't got it right for him.

OT: I had a vision that Schumacher pairs up with Vettel many months ago.

#20696 Dan333SP

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 17:01

It would never happen (MSC at RBR) but at least then he'd have a car that would get him to the finish, and a few guaranteed podiums and a win or two assuming future RBRs continue to be among the fastest and most reliable on track. I love MSC, but he would get pounded by Vettel over a season. 10 years ago, the reverse would be true...

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 17:03

Everyone saying he's out of the championship. Well, he's "only" 3 victories off the top. And the championship leader only has pretty much 3 victories in points after 6 races.

In this crazy year anything can happen. If he starts scoring regular podiums (yes this seems much to be asked for, but he has shown time and again he has the pace, the speed of the car seems to be getting better and better, but it does mean he needs a working car) from now on and the other drivers keep swapping places, he could still reclaim all lost points.

I wouldn't back Rosberg as of yet if I were Mercedes, what if he hits the unreliability streak at the end of the year?

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 17:23

I love MSC, but he would get pounded by Vettel over a season.


Not necessarily. It's obvious that without EBD SV is not a force he used to be last year.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 17:41

I think you guys are overreacting a bit.
nobody has an agenda inside mercedes to harm michael. he's not stupid and ross isn't either, they would smell a rat....
he's had a string of sh!tty luck, a bit longer than "normal".

His speed is there, his skills are at a very good level, the car has speed....it falls apart often and others seem to crash in him. it's way better than having a realiable car that takes him to 8th place race after race.

we know have montreal and spa...two of his favourite races....let's see him race, I am sure he'll give it 100% as usual.

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#20700 ivand911

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 17:53

I think from all following races only Abu Dhabi doesn't "suit" him. USA will be interesting. It is shame that he didn't get anything from Monaco.

Edited by ivand911, 28 May 2012 - 17:54.