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#20701 Afterburner

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 00:21

I'll be seriously pissed if Michael crashes out on the first lap.

Reminds me of the first race I went to--he qualified seventh, so I wasn't hoping for much. He won the race anway, though--in the rain, no less--and I consider myself very lucky to have seen him win in person. :)

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#20702 MightyMoose

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 05:12

Cool!

I can't believe in over 20 years of F1 watching I've never been to a race. I always regretted not seeing Schumi live in his first career, so I'm really happy to get this second chance. This must surely be among the last chances to watch him race.

Any recomendations for a Silverstone newbie? We have general access tickets.

I'll be seriously pissed if Michael crashes out on the first lap.

My advice is to walk the track if you're there on the Friday/Saturday.

Otherwise, get to Becketts, that will blow your mind if you can get the right place. I've been at Woodcote, Bridge & Stowe when I went - last time was in 2007 before I moved to the USA- and they're all good places, but back in 91 I went to testing, and we stood for a while at Copse and Bridge..... OMG!

I seem to recall that qualifying had "open" seating at Stowe, but there used to be a walkway up from the entrance at Club so you popped out standing right next to The Vale, see them drop 4 gears, and then boot it out of Club and hear the changes... awesome :clap:

#20703 ivand911

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 06:59

Here is a short on-board video of Grosjean at the start.
Michael just wanted to go Four-wide into the first corner... madness.

Do you think corner start 90-100 meters before the "corner"? Because this is where RG hit MS, after that RG slide up to the 50th meter and latter stop before of the corner too? So, how was that 4 guys into the corner?
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And for Four-wide you need 4 guys , so it was not only MS. But, I think that up to the corner this 4 way would become 2x2 way. Of course if you don't have RG around.

Edited by ivand911, 29 May 2012 - 07:15.


#20704 Mr2s

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 07:16

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Sky Sports review of Schumacher's pole time at Monaco 2012

They pause at the swimming pool section to show Schumacher take one hand off the wheel to change break bias.

I never saw the onboard until now. Great stuff.


And to think, he uses Karting "as a work out" "to stay sharp" for F1 :cool:


#20705 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 07:45

one hand through the swimming pool :) kind of cool

shows he still knows how to properly drive an f1 car

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 07:53

Here is a short on-board video of Grosjean at the start.



Michael just wanted to go Four-wide into the first corner... madness.

:rolleyes:
MS had allowed himself masses of room, as the pictures show. You can't legistlate for F1's current banger racer hurling himself at you from out of nowhere.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 09:12

Hah, incredible, i didn't realize at the time just how much room Schumi gave them all! hes almost in the cafe at the side of the road

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:05

Saw this on the Schumacher facebook page

"1. Australia - Gearbox failure -> 5th position at least possible = 10 points.
2. Malaysia - Grosjean spun -> by his pace 5th position again at least possible = 10 points
3. China - wheel nut failure -> 2nd place at least possible = 18 points
4. Bahrain - DRS failiure in qualifying -> his pace at the race was good enough for 5th place = 10 points
5. Spain - Senna crash - easily could end at 5th place = 10 points
6. Monaco - Fuel pressure - without penalty he would win the race = 25 points. From 6th place without Grosjean and car failure his pace and strategy was enough for a podium 3rd place = 15 points.

So he would by now have a total of 83 points or 73 points(depens how you think Monaco would pay out) and would have been leading the championship or 2nd place!"



Gawd, this makes it even more depressing. So we know he has the form, however after these first 6 races, does he still have the motivation given the utterly sh*te lack of reliability and blunders?

#20709 Diablobb81

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:11

70-80 points is a bit optimistic. And Spain was his mistake which cost him for two races.


But at a minimum he would have had 50+ points. Depressing really.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:26

:rolleyes:
MS had allowed himself masses of room, as the pictures show. You can't legistlate for F1's current banger racer hurling himself at you from out of nowhere.


Sure MS had ample room before Grosjean hit him. Mainly because nobody drives there, for the simple reason it's a dead end road on the very left. I remember thinking "uh-oh" when Schumacher veered left - he would have had to find a way back into the pack at some point which would have become... interesting. :D Unfortunately Grosjean too care of him before we got to see it.

#20711 Diablobb81

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:29

Sure MS had ample room before Grosjean hit him. Mainly because nobody drives there, for the simple reason it's a dead end road on the very left. I remember thinking "uh-oh" when Schumacher veered left - he would have had to find a way back into the pack at some point which would have become... interesting. :D Unfortunately Grosjean too care of him before we got to see it.


Simple : in front of RG and behind Alonso.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:43

Simple : in front of RG and behind Alonso.

:rotfl:

#20713 Diablobb81

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:53

:rotfl:


Yes, because RG would magically get a better start and end up in front of Michael.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 13:12

We can say MS car have 66% failure rate. Great. He will be failure champion.

Grand Prix Date Team Grid Race Position Points Total
Australian 18 Mar 2012 Mercedes 4 Ret 0 0
Malaysian 25 Mar 2012 Mercedes 3 10 1 1
Chinese 15 Apr 2012 Mercedes 2 Ret 0 1
Bahrain 22 Apr 2012 Mercedes 22 10 1 2
Spanish 13 May 2012 Mercedes 8 Ret 0 2
Monaco 27 May 2012 Mercedes 6 Ret 0 2


At least he have 100% points finish.

Edited by ivand911, 29 May 2012 - 13:13.


#20715 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 13:36

Sure MS had ample room before Grosjean hit him. Mainly because nobody drives there, for the simple reason it's a dead end road on the very left. I remember thinking "uh-oh" when Schumacher veered left - he would have had to find a way back into the pack at some point which would have become... interesting. :D Unfortunately Grosjean too care of him before we got to see it.

you missed the part where grosjean was so slow ms would pass him easily way before the turn in.
the speed difference was quite big

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 13:50

you missed the part where grosjean was so slow ms would pass him easily way before the turn in.
the speed difference was quite big


I don't think he was that much faster and would have run out of road before the turn in.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 14:32

I don't think he was that much faster and would have run out of road before the turn in.

Wrong.

#20718 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 14:33

he still had about 70 meters at the moment of the contact. just before the contact he was halfway on Grosjean's sidepod and gaining ground very quickly (remember he started 1 car length behind grosjean so he's made up 1.5 car lengths by that point)

Edited by MikeTekRacing, 29 May 2012 - 14:34.


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Posted 29 May 2012 - 14:40

Doesn't it feel that some would have us believe that EVERY contact is MS's fault?




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Posted 29 May 2012 - 14:43

Doesn't it feel that some would have us believe that EVERY contact is MS's fault?

Some would have us believe famine, global warming, world recession and the ebola virus are MS' fault.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 15:47

Some would have us believe famine, global warming, world recession and the ebola virus are MS' fault.



What about the Kennedy assassination as well!  ;)


In this case though the contact wasn't Schumacher's fault imo.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 15:50

What about the Kennedy assassination as well! ;)

Grassy knoll ...

#20723 MightyMoose

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 18:02

Grassy knoll ...

I heard from a source that Michael was seen driving a white Fiat through a Paris tunnel in 1997, unsurprisingly it looked like it had been involved in a little bump.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 18:17

I heard from a source that Michael was seen driving a white Fiat through a Paris tunnel in 1997, unsurprisingly it looked like it had been involved in a little bump.


Matt Bishop, perhaps?

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 18:31

Matt Bishop, perhaps?

:lol: Or Mohammed Al Fayed.... MS is in the payroll of the British Royal Family - it's the German lineage you see.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 23:13

Wrong.


Wow, such an insightful post. :rolleyes:

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 23:18

he still had about 70 meters at the moment of the contact. just before the contact he was halfway on Grosjean's sidepod and gaining ground very quickly (remember he started 1 car length behind grosjean so he's made up 1.5 car lengths by that point)


I suspect that Grosjean had to lift because of Alonso moving around, but regardless I still think that due to the nature of the track he would have run out of room before getting past.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 06:54

I suspect that Grosjean had to lift because of Alonso moving around, but regardless I still think that due to the nature of the track he would have run out of room before getting past.

At least he know where the brake is. For some it not exist. They should give sedatives at the start to some rookies. RG is second reason for Michael to have bad results. First is technical failure.


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Posted 30 May 2012 - 10:10

At least he know where the brake is.

He didn't know where to apply it in Spain. :p

Relax, I'm only pulling your leg, but it's rather easy when you make such a sweeping statement!

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 10:13

Saw this on the Schumacher facebook page

"1. Australia - Gearbox failure -> 5th position at least possible = 10 points.
2. Malaysia - Grosjean spun -> by his pace 5th position again at least possible = 10 points
3. China - wheel nut failure -> 2nd place at least possible = 18 points
4. Bahrain - DRS failiure in qualifying -> his pace at the race was good enough for 5th place = 10 points
5. Spain - Senna crash - easily could end at 5th place = 10 points
6. Monaco - Fuel pressure - without penalty he would win the race = 25 points. From 6th place without Grosjean and car failure his pace and strategy was enough for a podium 3rd place = 15 points.


This makes me sad

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 10:51

This makes me sad


It's money, pride, kudos and image down the drain for Mercedes too. All that money and investment and they can't field two reliable cars at the same time on the same track. Had Mercedes got their act together for ALL the races this year, either Nico or Schumacher could have been leading the WDC.....

Instead they are 4th and 18th or whatever they are. :rolleyes:

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:23

Schumacher is just reaping the fruits that he sow.

If Schumy haven't dived into Senna's back, and got punished, MS would start from pole and finish in the flag, first.

Instead, he got punished and had to start in the midle of the pack.

The new generation of drivers [Maldo, Groo, Perez, Kamui, Senna, etc] won't cut some slack to Schumacher.
Quite the oposite, daring to trade paint with Schumy must be some kind of rite of passage from a rookie to a mature F1 driver.



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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:37

they're trading wheels, not paint ;)

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:57

Saw this on the Schumacher facebook page

"1. Australia - Gearbox failure -> 5th position at least possible = 10 points.
2. Malaysia - Grosjean spun -> by his pace 5th position again at least possible = 10 points
3. China - wheel nut failure -> 2nd place at least possible = 18 points
4. Bahrain - DRS failiure in qualifying -> his pace at the race was good enough for 5th place = 10 points
5. Spain - Senna crash - easily could end at 5th place = 10 points
6. Monaco - Fuel pressure - without penalty he would win the race = 25 points. From 6th place without Grosjean and car failure his pace and strategy was enough for a podium 3rd place = 15 points.

So he would by now have a total of 83 points or 73 points(depens how you think Monaco would pay out) and would have been leading the championship or 2nd place!"



Gawd, this makes it even more depressing. So we know he has the form, however after these first 6 races, does he still have the motivation given the utterly sh*te lack of reliability and blunders?


Thats a bit optimistic. But it all costed a good chunk of points, thats for sure. Nevertheless, 3 straight wins and hes back :)


Some would have us believe famine, global warming, world recession and the ebola virus are MS' fault.


:up: :lol:

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 16:23

Schumacher is just reaping the fruits that he sow.

If Schumy haven't dived into Senna's back, and got punished, MS would start from pole and finish in the flag, first.

Instead, he got punished and had to start in the midle of the pack.

The new generation of drivers [Maldo, Groo, Perez, Kamui, Senna, etc] won't cut some slack to Schumacher.
Quite the oposite, daring to trade paint with Schumy must be some kind of rite of passage from a rookie to a mature F1 driver.


He wouldn't win even if started on pole, because the car broke again.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 16:32

daring to trade paint with Schumy must be some kind of rite of passage from a rookie to a mature F1 driver.


Yes, its not every day you can rub wheels with a guy that won more titles than all those guys combined probably will ever win.



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Posted 30 May 2012 - 16:38

Yes, its not every day you can rub wheels with a guy that won more titles than all those guys combined probably will ever win.

As long as you qualify poorly and stays within the reach of rookies :rolleyes:

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 16:48

As long as you qualify poorly and stays within the reach of rookies :rolleyes:


Currently the qual stats are 3 - 3 with his qualifying specialist teammate Rosberg, so Michael Schumacher must be doing something right, being old, past it, and at 80% of his old speed and all.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 17:06

It is depressing that he points tally isn't better, if it were and he was in the hunt, I think he would have been performing even better than he is now. Give him competition and a WDC race, and he'll thrive. Mercedes really ought to sort out their reliability. I'm not 100% sure the fuel pump at Monaco was not due to Grosjean but for Mercedes to admit that it would have happened anyway makes me think that it would have otherwise they could have used RG as an excuse.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 17:07

As long as you qualify poorly and stays within the reach of rookies :rolleyes:


So i guess you didn't watch any quali this year.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 18:05

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 18:17

Before anyone says Schumacher was hardly alongside he was up in line with the front wheels before he braked when he saw Grosjean coming at him.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 19:00

I'm really shocked to read Edd Straw's last column on Plus Autosport. He "blatantly" defends Schumacher and concludes that his comeback was not a failure. It's very very odd to hear that from Straw, but here it is:

At the age of 43, he's still a competitive grand prix driver capable of setting a pole position time at Monaco and perhaps even winning the race. That's a lot better than the majority will ever achieve at their peak.

His comeback has added a lot to F1 and even if he never gets another chance to win, which is very possible, he will always have that memory of what happened on that Saturday afternoon in Monte Carlo as a monument to the fact he can still, on his day, roll back the years. One performance doesn't make a second career, but he is far from the only middling driver on the grid who is capable of that kind of showing if everything comes right.

http://plus.autospor...-is-no-failure/

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 19:32

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this just confirms that grosjean overreacted. he had plenty of space to the right, there was absolutely no reason for him to squash MSC into the wall like this. nerves, inexperience, whatever you want to call it. he's on a learning curve.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 13:11

I'm really shocked to read Edd Straw's last column on Plus Autosport. He "blatantly" defends Schumacher and concludes that his comeback was not a failure. It's very very odd to hear that from Straw, but here it is:


http://plus.autospor...-is-no-failure/


What's wrong with that article?

Edd Straw is right - Michael's comeback was definitely no failure. MS showed time and again streaks of brilliance - the only difference between his first and his second career is that now Michael is not able to provide brilliance on a consistent basis.

And were he to start winning again - who knows? There is still fire in him, there is still life in the old lion.


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Posted 31 May 2012 - 13:35

this just confirms that grosjean overreacted. he had plenty of space to the right, there was absolutely no reason for him to squash MSC into the wall like this. nerves, inexperience, whatever you want to call it. he's on a learning curve.

Discussed 1000 times before...watch an onboard, he was only there because he touched Alonso before...

Edited by Jovanotti, 31 May 2012 - 13:35.


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Posted 31 May 2012 - 15:33

Where Gene work, will tell you everything? Is he Spanish too? Was the interview given to Spanish site?
I rest my case. It is BS. Who is Mark Gene? Go ask what Badoer think. Go ask what Massa think. I am sure that Gene revelation come very spontaneous at opening of Ferrari store in Madrid. :lol: :rotfl:
What this have to do with this thread? Is this troll effort? I don't see anyone putting it in Alonso thread? So ,why it is here?

This article is more interesting that Ferrari PR shit there:
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/100018

Edited by ivand911, 31 May 2012 - 15:57.


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Posted 31 May 2012 - 17:36

I echo the sentiments regards Alonso - I think he's the most complete driver out there, and at both their peaks? Very, very close.

I think he makes fewer mistakes than Michael. I also think there's no way Michael would have sat behind Petrov in Abu-Dhabi. He would have either got past, or crashed trying. Thats the difference between the two drivers for me - sometimes Michaels approach works, sometimes it doesn't.

I favour the more 'direct' style of always going for it (and sometimes making a mistake), but its a personal thing.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 17:42

What's wrong with that article?

Edd Straw is right - Michael's comeback was definitely no failure. MS showed time and again streaks of brilliance - the only difference between his first and his second career is that now Michael is not able to provide brilliance on a consistent basis.

And were he to start winning again - who knows? There is still fire in him, there is still life in the old lion.

There is nothing wrong at that article. I do share the points thereof, but I think you misunderstood me due to lack of context.

Edd Straw is not known as a Schumacher fan or -let's say- admirer for that matter. He also hasn't been very appriciative about the achievements of the man. Therefore, I was shocked to read those lines from Straw. It could have been from Noble, but not Straw (I would have thought). Apparantly I was wrong. That was a well-balanced drawn picture of what's been happening.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 17:55

I think he makes fewer mistakes than Michael. I also think there's no way Michael would have sat behind Petrov in Abu-Dhabi. He would have either got past, or crashed trying. Thats the difference between the two drivers for me - sometimes Michaels approach works, sometimes it doesn't.


I believe you will never see a performance like Hungary 1998 from Alonso he would have collected a secure second place with the knowledge the championship race is not over like he nearly did in 2010. Four races before the end he told the press I am confident I only have to be on the podium the next races and my chance will come. Michael had always this all or nothing approach to win except he was leading the championship by miles. And this created one of his best race than he was a beast!