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#20701 wingwalker

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 18:17

Pace-wise this is the best of his recent seasons, no? It's just he seems to be getting mid 00's Mark Webbers type of luck.

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#20702 spacekid

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 18:40

Pace-wise this is the best of his recent seasons, no? It's just he seems to be getting mid 00's Mark Webbers type of luck.


Depends who you ask. On the Schumi vs. Nico thread there are people who would swear blind Nico is spanking Michael in terms of pace this year.

#20703 Goron3

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 18:47

I think from all following races only Abu Dhabi doesn't "suit" him. USA will be interesting. It is shame that he didn't get anything from Monaco.


Generally he is faster than nico at all the 'fast' tracks (Monza, Spa, Suzuka, Spain, Turkey) but Nico has the measure on him on the much slower tracks (China, Valencia, Abu Dhabi).

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 19:10

I think you guys are overreacting a bit.
nobody has an agenda inside mercedes to harm michael. he's not stupid and ross isn't either, they would smell a rat....
he's had a string of sh!tty luck, a bit longer than "normal".

His speed is there, his skills are at a very good level, the car has speed....it falls apart often and others seem to crash in him. it's way better than having a realiable car that takes him to 8th place race after race.

we know have montreal and spa...two of his favourite races....let's see him race, I am sure he'll give it 100% as usual.

Exactly, don't buy the conspiracy for a second.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 19:16

Depends who you ask. On the Schumi vs. Nico thread there are people who would swear blind Nico is spanking Michael in terms of pace this year.

Blind being the operative word.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 20:11

Generally he is faster than nico at all the 'fast' tracks (Monza, Spa, Suzuka, Spain, Turkey) but Nico has the measure on him on the much slower tracks (China, Valencia, Abu Dhabi).


How do we rate him at Silverstone? I'm going this year and am hoping his bad luck will have cleared up and he'll have a good race. From memory Nico has been a bit quicker than Michael there.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 20:32

How do we rate him at Silverstone? I'm going this year and am hoping his bad luck will have cleared up and he'll have a good race. From memory Nico has been a bit quicker than Michael there.

Nah, last year after hitting Kobayashi and serving a stop-and-go I believe he was only about fifteen seconds behind Nico come the end of the race.

Edited by Schumacher7, 28 May 2012 - 20:36.


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Posted 28 May 2012 - 20:52

Yeah, MS was faster than Nico at Silverstone. He pass him and after that he crash, but he was faster after the crash too. In Valencia , he will be OK too, like in Monaco.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 21:21

Here is a short on-board video of Grosjean at the start.



Michael just wanted to go Four-wide into the first corner... madness.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 21:31

How do we rate him at Silverstone? I'm going this year and am hoping his bad luck will have cleared up and he'll have a good race. From memory Nico has been a bit quicker than Michael there.


yeah i'm going Silverstone this year too! Michael was amazingly quick there last year, setting numerous fastest laps (particularly in the mixed conditions we had for the first 1/3rd of the race. Despite doing half a lap with a broken wing, doing an extra stop and serving a stop and go he was mighty fast throughout and finished 15 seconds behind Nico. Stunning pace.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 21:32

Here is a short on-board video of Grosjean at the start.



Michael just wanted to go Four-wide into the first corner... madness.

Watch Michael's onboard, he has every right to that bit of track. Anyone who can't see that is an idiot or is deliberately misinterpreting.

Edited by Schumacher7, 28 May 2012 - 21:34.


#20712 Massa_f1

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 21:38

Here is a short on-board video of Grosjean at the start.



Michael just wanted to go Four-wide into the first corner... madness.


You can't be serious. Schumacher had clear road in front of him and enough space at either side of him Until Gro hit Alonso. Then Gro steered into Schumacher. He had every right to be there.



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Posted 28 May 2012 - 21:45

yeah i'm going Silverstone this year too! Michael was amazingly quick there last year, setting numerous fastest laps (particularly in the mixed conditions we had for the first 1/3rd of the race. Despite doing half a lap with a broken wing, doing an extra stop and serving a stop and go he was mighty fast throughout and finished 15 seconds behind Nico. Stunning pace.


Cool!

I can't believe in over 20 years of F1 watching I've never been to a race. I always regretted not seeing Schumi live in his first career, so I'm really happy to get this second chance. This must surely be among the last chances to watch him race.

Any recomendations for a Silverstone newbie? We have general access tickets.

I'll be seriously pissed if Michael crashes out on the first lap.

#20714 spacekid

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 21:46

You can't be serious. Schumacher had clear road in front of him and enough space at either side of him Until Gro hit Alonso. Then Gro steered into Schumacher. He had every right to be there.


lol, of course he isn't serious! C'mon guys, don't rise to it...

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 21:52

I think his polelap in Monaco which must have felt really nice and the progress in Mercedes will give him a really good chance to win or get a podium in Canada.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 22:12

Cool!

I can't believe in over 20 years of F1 watching I've never been to a race. I always regretted not seeing Schumi live in his first career, so I'm really happy to get this second chance. This must surely be among the last chances to watch him race.

Any recomendations for a Silverstone newbie? We have general access tickets.

I'll be seriously pissed if Michael crashes out on the first lap.


I've got GA admission tickets as well! Bloody good too, on Friday you'll get to go into any grandstand (we chose the new S/F straight last year), Saturday I would use to watch the cars go around another part of the track as the grandstands will be full of Gold/Silver ticket holders, and for Sunday get a good spot early, preferably one near a screen so you can follow the race.

I remember going Silverstone back in 2003 and it will was incredible (THOSE ENGINES!) but didn't go again til last year. I've decided that if Schumacher signs on to do another season I will most likely coincide my gap year plans with the race calender so I can see him race one last time (particularly at Monaco, Spa and Monza).

And yeh, when he had his incident with Kobayashi last year I was screaming! Thankfully he could continue.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 22:43

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Sky Sports review of Schumacher's pole time at Monaco 2012

They pause at the swimming pool section to show Schumacher take one hand off the wheel to change break bias.

I never saw the onboard until now. Great stuff.

Edited by SeanValen, 28 May 2012 - 22:46.


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Posted 28 May 2012 - 23:41

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Sky Sports review of Schumacher's pole time at Monaco 2012

They pause at the swimming pool section to show Schumacher take one hand off the wheel to change break bias.

I never saw the onboard until now. Great stuff.


The best moment of the whole weekend.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 00:21

I'll be seriously pissed if Michael crashes out on the first lap.

Reminds me of the first race I went to--he qualified seventh, so I wasn't hoping for much. He won the race anway, though--in the rain, no less--and I consider myself very lucky to have seen him win in person. :)

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#20720 MightyMoose

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 05:12

Cool!

I can't believe in over 20 years of F1 watching I've never been to a race. I always regretted not seeing Schumi live in his first career, so I'm really happy to get this second chance. This must surely be among the last chances to watch him race.

Any recomendations for a Silverstone newbie? We have general access tickets.

I'll be seriously pissed if Michael crashes out on the first lap.

My advice is to walk the track if you're there on the Friday/Saturday.

Otherwise, get to Becketts, that will blow your mind if you can get the right place. I've been at Woodcote, Bridge & Stowe when I went - last time was in 2007 before I moved to the USA- and they're all good places, but back in 91 I went to testing, and we stood for a while at Copse and Bridge..... OMG!

I seem to recall that qualifying had "open" seating at Stowe, but there used to be a walkway up from the entrance at Club so you popped out standing right next to The Vale, see them drop 4 gears, and then boot it out of Club and hear the changes... awesome :clap:

#20721 ivand911

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 06:59

Here is a short on-board video of Grosjean at the start.
Michael just wanted to go Four-wide into the first corner... madness.

Do you think corner start 90-100 meters before the "corner"? Because this is where RG hit MS, after that RG slide up to the 50th meter and latter stop before of the corner too? So, how was that 4 guys into the corner?
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And for Four-wide you need 4 guys , so it was not only MS. But, I think that up to the corner this 4 way would become 2x2 way. Of course if you don't have RG around.

Edited by ivand911, 29 May 2012 - 07:15.


#20722 Mr2s

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 07:16

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Sky Sports review of Schumacher's pole time at Monaco 2012

They pause at the swimming pool section to show Schumacher take one hand off the wheel to change break bias.

I never saw the onboard until now. Great stuff.


And to think, he uses Karting "as a work out" "to stay sharp" for F1 :cool:


#20723 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 07:45

one hand through the swimming pool :) kind of cool

shows he still knows how to properly drive an f1 car

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 07:53

Here is a short on-board video of Grosjean at the start.



Michael just wanted to go Four-wide into the first corner... madness.

:rolleyes:
MS had allowed himself masses of room, as the pictures show. You can't legistlate for F1's current banger racer hurling himself at you from out of nowhere.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 09:12

Hah, incredible, i didn't realize at the time just how much room Schumi gave them all! hes almost in the cafe at the side of the road

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:05

Saw this on the Schumacher facebook page

"1. Australia - Gearbox failure -> 5th position at least possible = 10 points.
2. Malaysia - Grosjean spun -> by his pace 5th position again at least possible = 10 points
3. China - wheel nut failure -> 2nd place at least possible = 18 points
4. Bahrain - DRS failiure in qualifying -> his pace at the race was good enough for 5th place = 10 points
5. Spain - Senna crash - easily could end at 5th place = 10 points
6. Monaco - Fuel pressure - without penalty he would win the race = 25 points. From 6th place without Grosjean and car failure his pace and strategy was enough for a podium 3rd place = 15 points.

So he would by now have a total of 83 points or 73 points(depens how you think Monaco would pay out) and would have been leading the championship or 2nd place!"



Gawd, this makes it even more depressing. So we know he has the form, however after these first 6 races, does he still have the motivation given the utterly sh*te lack of reliability and blunders?

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:11

70-80 points is a bit optimistic. And Spain was his mistake which cost him for two races.


But at a minimum he would have had 50+ points. Depressing really.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:26

:rolleyes:
MS had allowed himself masses of room, as the pictures show. You can't legistlate for F1's current banger racer hurling himself at you from out of nowhere.


Sure MS had ample room before Grosjean hit him. Mainly because nobody drives there, for the simple reason it's a dead end road on the very left. I remember thinking "uh-oh" when Schumacher veered left - he would have had to find a way back into the pack at some point which would have become... interesting. :D Unfortunately Grosjean too care of him before we got to see it.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:29

Sure MS had ample room before Grosjean hit him. Mainly because nobody drives there, for the simple reason it's a dead end road on the very left. I remember thinking "uh-oh" when Schumacher veered left - he would have had to find a way back into the pack at some point which would have become... interesting. :D Unfortunately Grosjean too care of him before we got to see it.


Simple : in front of RG and behind Alonso.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:43

Simple : in front of RG and behind Alonso.

:rotfl:

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:53

:rotfl:


Yes, because RG would magically get a better start and end up in front of Michael.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 13:12

We can say MS car have 66% failure rate. Great. He will be failure champion.

Grand Prix Date Team Grid Race Position Points Total
Australian 18 Mar 2012 Mercedes 4 Ret 0 0
Malaysian 25 Mar 2012 Mercedes 3 10 1 1
Chinese 15 Apr 2012 Mercedes 2 Ret 0 1
Bahrain 22 Apr 2012 Mercedes 22 10 1 2
Spanish 13 May 2012 Mercedes 8 Ret 0 2
Monaco 27 May 2012 Mercedes 6 Ret 0 2


At least he have 100% points finish.

Edited by ivand911, 29 May 2012 - 13:13.


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Posted 29 May 2012 - 13:36

Sure MS had ample room before Grosjean hit him. Mainly because nobody drives there, for the simple reason it's a dead end road on the very left. I remember thinking "uh-oh" when Schumacher veered left - he would have had to find a way back into the pack at some point which would have become... interesting. :D Unfortunately Grosjean too care of him before we got to see it.

you missed the part where grosjean was so slow ms would pass him easily way before the turn in.
the speed difference was quite big

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 13:50

you missed the part where grosjean was so slow ms would pass him easily way before the turn in.
the speed difference was quite big


I don't think he was that much faster and would have run out of road before the turn in.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 14:32

I don't think he was that much faster and would have run out of road before the turn in.

Wrong.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 14:33

he still had about 70 meters at the moment of the contact. just before the contact he was halfway on Grosjean's sidepod and gaining ground very quickly (remember he started 1 car length behind grosjean so he's made up 1.5 car lengths by that point)

Edited by MikeTekRacing, 29 May 2012 - 14:34.


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Posted 29 May 2012 - 14:40

Doesn't it feel that some would have us believe that EVERY contact is MS's fault?




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Posted 29 May 2012 - 14:43

Doesn't it feel that some would have us believe that EVERY contact is MS's fault?

Some would have us believe famine, global warming, world recession and the ebola virus are MS' fault.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 15:47

Some would have us believe famine, global warming, world recession and the ebola virus are MS' fault.



What about the Kennedy assassination as well!  ;)


In this case though the contact wasn't Schumacher's fault imo.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 15:50

What about the Kennedy assassination as well! ;)

Grassy knoll ...

#20741 MightyMoose

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 18:02

Grassy knoll ...

I heard from a source that Michael was seen driving a white Fiat through a Paris tunnel in 1997, unsurprisingly it looked like it had been involved in a little bump.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 18:17

I heard from a source that Michael was seen driving a white Fiat through a Paris tunnel in 1997, unsurprisingly it looked like it had been involved in a little bump.


Matt Bishop, perhaps?

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 18:31

Matt Bishop, perhaps?

:lol: Or Mohammed Al Fayed.... MS is in the payroll of the British Royal Family - it's the German lineage you see.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 23:13

Wrong.


Wow, such an insightful post. :rolleyes:

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 23:18

he still had about 70 meters at the moment of the contact. just before the contact he was halfway on Grosjean's sidepod and gaining ground very quickly (remember he started 1 car length behind grosjean so he's made up 1.5 car lengths by that point)


I suspect that Grosjean had to lift because of Alonso moving around, but regardless I still think that due to the nature of the track he would have run out of room before getting past.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 06:54

I suspect that Grosjean had to lift because of Alonso moving around, but regardless I still think that due to the nature of the track he would have run out of room before getting past.

At least he know where the brake is. For some it not exist. They should give sedatives at the start to some rookies. RG is second reason for Michael to have bad results. First is technical failure.


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Posted 30 May 2012 - 10:10

At least he know where the brake is.

He didn't know where to apply it in Spain. :p

Relax, I'm only pulling your leg, but it's rather easy when you make such a sweeping statement!

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 10:13

Saw this on the Schumacher facebook page

"1. Australia - Gearbox failure -> 5th position at least possible = 10 points.
2. Malaysia - Grosjean spun -> by his pace 5th position again at least possible = 10 points
3. China - wheel nut failure -> 2nd place at least possible = 18 points
4. Bahrain - DRS failiure in qualifying -> his pace at the race was good enough for 5th place = 10 points
5. Spain - Senna crash - easily could end at 5th place = 10 points
6. Monaco - Fuel pressure - without penalty he would win the race = 25 points. From 6th place without Grosjean and car failure his pace and strategy was enough for a podium 3rd place = 15 points.


This makes me sad

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 10:51

This makes me sad


It's money, pride, kudos and image down the drain for Mercedes too. All that money and investment and they can't field two reliable cars at the same time on the same track. Had Mercedes got their act together for ALL the races this year, either Nico or Schumacher could have been leading the WDC.....

Instead they are 4th and 18th or whatever they are. :rolleyes:

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:23

Schumacher is just reaping the fruits that he sow.

If Schumy haven't dived into Senna's back, and got punished, MS would start from pole and finish in the flag, first.

Instead, he got punished and had to start in the midle of the pack.

The new generation of drivers [Maldo, Groo, Perez, Kamui, Senna, etc] won't cut some slack to Schumacher.
Quite the oposite, daring to trade paint with Schumy must be some kind of rite of passage from a rookie to a mature F1 driver.