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#2301 Massa_f1

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:08

DC on Kubica/Schu incident: "It was a racing incident".


Of corse it was there is far to many racing fans who seem to think people should just give way. He was not even behind if anything he was ahead.

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#2302 Sakae

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:08

Has Michael given any interviews after race? I suspect that his car must have suffered damage.

Edited by Sakae, 13 June 2010 - 18:09.


#2303 marchi-91

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:09

See Monza 2008 for reference :)


Shush shush shush, you can't let people be reminded about the truth.

#2304 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:10

Next we are going to hear Hill's opinion on the incident. Or where is Montoya for an opinion?

#2305 Scotracer

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:10

And Eddie - it was Schumacher's fault - twice.


Yeah and we all take Eddie's word over DC's :lol:

I said it was a racing incident in the Live Forum and still stand by that. Kubica didn't have the corner as he wasn't ahead at any point and neither of them made the braking for the corner so it was 50/50. The end. Shit happens.

#2306 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:12

Flat tire for Schumi after scrap with Kubica. Racing incident for him.

He is pissed off. :(

#2307 grunge

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:13

DC on Kubica/Schu incident: "It was a racing incident".

it was trademark MS..putting people under pressure,giving no room and mostly people yield..kubica though was having none of it.

doesnt deserve a penalty though.that would be stupid

#2308 LoviePants

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:14

Yeah and we all take Eddie's word over DC's :lol:

I said it was a racing incident in the Live Forum and still stand by that. Kubica didn't have the corner as he wasn't ahead at any point and neither of them made the braking for the corner so it was 50/50. The end. Shit happens.


So why put massa on the grass? Force of habit?

#2309 ivand911

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:14

Michael drive great, he fought well with other competitors and his stupid team's decision. What was Massa doing there on the outside and behind?

Edited by ivand911, 13 June 2010 - 18:15.


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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:15

Has Michael given any interviews after race? I suspect that his car must have suffered damage.


He just said by RTL that everything was ok till he touched Kubica and got a damaged tyre. Afterwards he was trapped in the traffic and at the end of the race he had to fight with destroyed tyres the cars with the highest top-speed of the grid (Force India).

Edited by artista, 13 June 2010 - 18:16.


#2311 Birelman

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:16

Wow!! What a great race by Michael Schumacher!! :up: :up: :up:

#2312 NeilMick

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:17

What were you watching? He drove like an idiot and ruined other peoples races just because he thinks he has the right to, the guy is a joke.

#2313 Fortymark

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:17

Today reinforces how easy it is to win 7 WDC with a slave teammate and the best car.
I doubt MS would have won even 1 WDC in the past if he had to actually race a strong teammate on equal terms all season.


:up:
The drivers of today are not intimidated either of MS tactics or blocking.
What worked on Hill etc doesn´t work on the top drivers today.


#2314 aditya-now

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:17

I dont think he drove appauling at all Brundle is just stupid. Nothing MS could do on softs for 30 laps.


Not only Schumi´s race was appalling, but already his qualifying:


Once again I am appalled by Schumacher's showing - now this is the race where he was never beaten in qualifying by a team-mate and the car has been changed in his favor.
Look at Nico and look at Michael.


Not only Brundle is appalled by him but also others.

Nothing MS could do on softs for 30 laps? What about Button calling his tyre strategies? Can Michael not do the same?
Ah, I see, Button is WDC after all, MS only an also-ran...

The comparison one of you guys made with Graham Hill is strangely accurate - MS is like Graham Hill in his later years minus the style.

#2315 LoviePants

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:17

Michael drive great,


Yup wipped by your teammate and finishing out of the points, good job :rolleyes:

#2316 dav115

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:18

And Eddie - it was Schumacher's fault - twice.

Right, cause it's not like he's held a systematic bias against Schumacher from when he jumped ship from Jordan in 91... Thanks, but I'd rather take the word of the guy that went head to head with Schumacher on track on numerous occasions...

#2317 Snuggie

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:19

I understand that people are bothered by the duels he was into today but in the one with Kubica, Kubica didn't even make the corner. So please, any driver who tries to pass at least excpects to drive it on tarmac.

#2318 eoin

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:20

And Eddie - it was Schumacher's fault - twice.


For what? Both drivers out braked themselves and cut the chicane.

#2319 Vic Vega

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:20

Strategic call of the year: drive 37 laps on softer compound.

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#2320 aditya-now

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:20

Has Michael given any interviews after race? I suspect that his car must have suffered damage.


MS looked in the RTL interview a little like an infamous Austrian/German from 70 years ago with his cap...
Hardened face, his utterings were bordering on the imbecile - that he did everything right, just had bad luck with the tyres etc.

Very well rehearsed PR...

The stone-faced look he has also trained in other situations over the years.


#2321 FigJam

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:21

His car/tyres were clearly hampering him in a big way, however he made some moves that were highly questionable.

He's just not there...yet. I'm still giving him time, its obvious people clearly underestimate how hard it is to make a comeback in this sport. Especially with a difficult car.

#2322 Number62

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:21

Right, cause it's not like he's held a systematic bias against Schumacher from when he jumped ship from Jordan in 91... Thanks, but I'd rather take the word of the guy that went head to head with Schumacher on track on numerous occasions...


And drives for Mercedes.

#2323 Fortymark

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:22

I understand that people are bothered by the duels he was into today but in the one with Kubica, Kubica didn't even make the corner. So please, any driver who tries to pass at least excpects to drive it on tarmac.


:stoned:
MS pushed Kubica off road, then MS cut the chicane and didn´t give up the place to RK which he
should have.

#2324 ivand911

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:23

Kubica was driving straight in the corner, if Michael didn't run trough the grass, they both would be out of the race.

#2325 Simon Says

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:23

I understand that people are bothered by the duels he was into today but in the one with Kubica, Kubica didn't even make the corner. So please, any driver who tries to pass at least excpects to drive it on tarmac.


He clearly pushed Kubica on the grass before the chicane. And he pushed Massa on the grass later.

MS needs to be punished really. If he did it once, ok big deal it could have been just an accident. But doing it so many times during a race.

MS is back to his old self.

#2326 stormshadow

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:23

Well the difference between Scumacher and Graham Hill is that Graham Hill didn't go about putting people onto the grass. He done it to Kubica coming out of the pits and again to Massa near the end. I hope a penalty is coming his way.

No the difference is 5 WDC.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:23

STOP THE PRESS, OPEN THE COURTS, SEND A MAN TO PRISON, RACING DRIVER RACES HARD AND DRIVERS TOUCH/GO OFF.

It's as if people want to watch Disney's 'Cars' rather than real racing. I think a few people here would be better off playing scalextric rather than watching F1...

#2328 Dragonfly

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:29

In fact I didn't see any of you assuming that the incident with Kubica not only sent him back but he might actually had no more prime tyre sets.

Edited by Dragonfly, 13 June 2010 - 18:30.


#2329 Galko877

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:31

STOP THE PRESS, OPEN THE COURTS, SEND A MAN TO PRISON, RACING DRIVER RACES HARD AND DRIVERS TOUCH/GO OFF.

It's as if people want to watch Disney's 'Cars' rather than real racing. I think a few people here would be better off playing scalextric rather than watching F1...


:up:

Not only that though. Thing is Schumi has pissed off a lot of people over the years by beating their heroes or the stats of their heroes, so any time he has a controversial race like today's they are out to bash him in herds much more than they would do with any other driver. Comes with the territory, I would say.  ;)

Go Michael!


#2330 Sakae

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:31

Kubica was driving straight in the corner, if Michael didn't run trough the grass, they both would be out of the race.


This is incomprehensible to some of the "inteligencia" visiting this forum these days.

#2331 skonks

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:31

the pace is there, evident in the 1st stint, cause after he got rid of (I think) Sutil, he was a bit faster than Kubica and not significantly slower than Red Bull :)

It all went downhill with the incident with Kubica, which let's be honest was a normal racing incident. Kubica had the inside but MS was slightly in front. :up: I fail to understand how anyone expected MS to back-off. It was exactly as Montoya-Rosberg in 2006.

As for the strategy I have no idea what Mercedes was smoking. 37 laps with softs ... :drunk:
It was evident with 20 laps to go that finishing the race with softs would be a disaster :down: :down: . However many people failed to comprehend that (Jordan & Brundle being among them)

PS. Brundle is so biased it's not even funny :wave:
The only time MS was unfair today was with Massa for changing the line twice. But hey, another driver did the same in Malaysia and he just got reprimand ;) I bet Brundle wasn't so vocal about that incident in Malaysia :wave:

So overall I would say a positive weekend (though the result was dissapointing):
fantastic start :up:
good pace in times he could (forget about half of the race with softs) :up:
great fighting spirit :smoking:

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:34

Thank God there are F1 drivers to focus the hate on... it's not as if there are more serious things to obsess about in this wonderful world of ours :rolleyes: Pointless to name the haters or to recommend they get a life. It's a sport and this was an epic race, one of the best dry ones of the whole decade. Schumi did his best with a flawed car, flawed tyre strategy and flawed luck. Just like in Hungary 06. For the record, I enjoyed it all: hard racing like in the good old days, not purses at 12 paces like we got used to during the last few years.

#2333 I_hate_chicanes

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:35

Michael thinks he is still the king and can do whatever he likes on the race track. Only difference now is that while his aggression remains intact, his speed, ability to think during a race and tactical sharpness have faded with age.



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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:35

:stoned:
MS pushed Kubica off road, then MS cut the chicane and didn´t give up the place to RK which he
should have.


Exactly as MS, Kubica didn't even make the corner.:lol: I fail to understand why MS should have given the position

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:36

The start was brilliant and everithing was very nice till the Kubica accident. After that the strategy was a zero. 35 laps on soft? If he has an extra stop, he cold back to 9th place and he could fight with Buemi.

Edited by Tarzaan, 13 June 2010 - 18:37.


#2336 CaptainJackSparrow

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:38

Thanks Michael, (after also rear-ending RK at the start and damaging his diffuser):

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#2337 ivand911

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:41

When showing pictures , give a little bit more , 10meters from last one, where Kubica is going straight. Not taking the corner. Why Michael need to give him space? Kubica can brake any time he like, he was behind. Michael was on the racing line, doing nothing wrong? What was Kubica thinking, "I am so smart, will ruin Michael race here"?

Edited by ivand911, 13 June 2010 - 18:48.


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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:44

Thank God there are F1 drivers to focus the hate on... it's not as if there are more serious things to obsess about in this wonderful world of ours :rolleyes: Pointless to name the haters or to recommend they get a life. It's a sport and this was an epic race, one of the best dry ones of the whole decade. Schumi did his best with a flawed car, flawed tyre strategy and flawed luck. Just like in Hungary 06. For the record, I enjoyed it all: hard racing like in the good old days, not purses at 12 paces like we got used to during the last few years.

+1 :up:

#2339 marchi-91

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:46

Thanks Michael, (after also rear-ending RK at the start and damaging his diffuser):

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Did you honestly think you could get away with that :lol: :lol:

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#2340 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:46

Thanks Michael, (after also rear-ending RK at the start and damaging his diffuser):


Except that in the second picture Kubica had no chance to take the chicane.


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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:50

Thanks Michael, (after also rear-ending RK at the start and damaging his diffuser):

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If you need anymore evidence how poor is Kubica judging these situations, than I am not sure what else is needed. He should get 10 places grid penalty for his stupidity.

#2342 Paco

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:50

Thanks Michael, (after also rear-ending RK at the start and damaging his diffuser):

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WOW.. didn't realize RK was into Baja now as well... those pictures don't do justice to his move but either way.. a bit over optimistic i'd say..

#2343 ivand911

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:52

The problem is that usually other drivers ruin Michael race, like this time. Usually he is loosing, like this time. It was better for me they both to go out in this situation, not "poor" Robert to take 7-th. Because from the start of the season only Michael is on the loosing side. He need to get tough. No keeping other to be OK.

Edited by ivand911, 13 June 2010 - 18:55.


#2344 Scotracer

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:54

So why put massa on the grass? Force of habit?


Massa wasn't alongside Schumacher at any point....Massa drove in to the back of him! All drivers wander back over on to the racing line after they've made their single move and Massa just wasn't awake enough to compensate for Schumacher's lack of grip (therefore early braking).



#2345 Number62

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:54

The problem is that usually other drivers ruin Michael race, like this time. Usually he is loosing, like this time. It was better for me they both to go out in this situation, not "poor" Robert to take 7-th. Because from the start of the season only Michael is on the loosing side.


Maybe he should retire.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:56

Except that in the second picture Kubica had no chance to take the chicane.

i think thats primarily after MS squeezed him on the inside and left him no room.

im not asking for a penalty here but isnt that schumacher 101?...whenever someone decides not to buckle down to all he squeezing,closing the door stuff,theres going to be a problem

Edited by grunge, 13 June 2010 - 18:58.


#2347 ivand911

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:57

Why to leave him any room?

#2348 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:57

Maybe he should retire.


Or he should keep fighting and the results will come.

The starts are there. The pace is not consistently there (he still has problems with adapting to the tires).The Merc strategy and pace is nowhere.

i think thats primarily after MS squeezed him on the inside and left him no room.



The first move is debatable. For me it's hard racing.

But the first move had nothing to do to what happened at the chicane. Kubica was too optimistic.

Edited by Diablobb81, 13 June 2010 - 18:59.


#2349 ivand911

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 18:59

Haug say before the race that the problem is they still can't deliver good car for the drivers.

#2350 eoin

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 19:00

Kubica seemed to have loads of room, especially from the overhead shot.
So it has gone from Michael putting Massa in the wall to Michael braking testing Massa- make your mind up BBC!!

edit: Wow Kubica nearly killed Sutil today in one of the most stupid moves I have ever seen and nobody is talking about it- if Schumacher did it BBC would want him imprisoned!

Edited by eoin, 13 June 2010 - 19:02.