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#3051 RedBaron

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:00

Great move by Sutil, Schumacher asleep. Schumacher down part of his wing.

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#3052 arknor

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:03

Briliant strategy for Michael again :lol:

I mean WTF???

obviously more guinea pig for rosberg its not like the softs were falling off yet the laptimes were still falling....

Edited by arknor, 11 July 2010 - 13:03.


#3053 Sof1

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:03

That is just stupid, seems like Schu has lost hope.

#3054 Sof1

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:04

Also Sutil seems to have a much faster car???

#3055 ivand911

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:10

Michael lose 3 sec. in S3 in lap after pit. His S2 was good ,but S3 not. If he didn't lose this 3 sec. he could be in front of Bari.

Edited by ivand911, 11 July 2010 - 13:15.


#3056 Diablobb81

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:12

What a disappointing weekend.

Way too many mistakes by him and the team.

#3057 arknor

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:15

What a disappointing weekend.

Way too many mistakes by him and the team.

the team are still trying to find this dream stratergy and always using schumacher to try it.

why cant they just use common sense if the cars are still going faster each lap dont try some BS pitstop and hope the new tyres are massively faster especially when teh softs are barely worn in yet..

its like canada all over again

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#3058 RedBaron

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:16

Schumacher had the pace earlier in the race but now it seems he doesn't, that front wing can't be helping but Rosberg's doing ok without that pillar on the side pod.

Anyone know Schumacher's top speed? It was dismal vs Sutil and dismal vs Vettel.

Vettel didn't have the same pull behind Sutil as he did on Schumacher... so didn't slice up the inside of Sutil in the same place.

Closing 2 laps, Schumacher must have a problem, he is so slow out the corners! Horribly slow, he couldn't even keep up with Sutil in the same corner Sutil got a big shove from Vettel!

Edited by RedBaron, 11 July 2010 - 13:27.


#3059 marchi-91

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:31

Its amazing to see what Track condition can do for drivers.

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#3060 ivand911

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:33

He was very slow in the end, don't know what happen. Hulk was cutting corners well, Michael did use them at all? Or just his tires was older than the rest. Still some points.

Edited by ivand911, 11 July 2010 - 13:34.


#3061 dav115

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:33

This is getting ridiculous now, I want someone to put the question straight to Brawn - why, race after race, is Michael being put on a completely different (and unsuccessful) strategy to Nico!?!?!? It's almost like the team are hedging their bets with regards strategy, and EVERY time Michael draws the short straw. Someone's head needs to roll for this, its simply not acceptable for a team to have one driver on a strategy that gets him on the podium, and the other squabbling for 9th...

#3062 RedBaron

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:35

This is getting ridiculous now, I want someone to put the question straight to Brawn - why, race after race, is Michael being put on a completely different (and unsuccessful) strategy to Nico!?!?!? It's almost like the team are hedging their bets with regards strategy, and EVERY time Michael draws the short straw. Someone's head needs to roll for this, its simply not acceptable for a team to have one driver on a strategy that gets him on the podium, and the other squabbling for 9th...


Forget the pit stop people have said it was a poor final sector on his out lap that we didn't see on TV.

Schumacher had pace problems towards the end, his fault or a problem we don't know. I'd hope the latter and I'd imagine it was the latter because Schumacher had good long run pace all weekend.

Still poor result, in the opening laps it was looking good, should have been 4th or 5th.

#3063 MCh000

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:38

Schumacher had the pace earlier in the race but now it seems he doesn't, that front wing can't be helping but Rosberg's doing ok without that pillar on the side pod...


That is why I think that either Michael's engineers are not so good or he's driving a different car by someone's will. I admit that he might be slower but it is ridiculous how he is slower and where he's slower especially knowing that at the first two GPs and straight after receiving other chassi he was on par with Rosberg. Then in both cases his speed just degraded. I don't know what is going within this team but I don't like it.

#3064 Diablobb81

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:39

He lost part of his front wing after Sutil.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:39

Summary of Silverstone.

Qualifying: Rubbish.
Race pace: Average.
Race craft: Poor.

Time to face the facts, it's not going to happen for him.

#3066 dav115

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:40

Forget the pit stop people have said it was a poor final sector on his out lap that we didn't see on TV.

Schumacher had pace problems towards the end, his fault or a problem we don't know. I'd hope the latter and I'd imagine it was the latter because Schumacher had good long run pace all weekend.

Still poor result, in the opening laps it was looking good, should have been 4th or 5th.

I've seen at least one person on the forums say that (I assume they were watching that BBC driver tracker thing) he got caught badly in traffic on his outlap, but I'd take that with a pinch of salt until it's confirmed. I think his late race pace was due to a) old tyres (remember how early he pitted, after all) and b) losing part of his front wing thanks to Sutil throwing one down the inside.

#3067 marchi-91

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:40

Summary of Silverstone.

Qualifying: Rubbish.
Race pace: Average.
Race craft: Poor.

Time to face the facts, it's not going to happen for him.


In a rubbish car??? No. But its only happened to Rosberg through errors from the better drivers on most accounts.

#3068 Diablobb81

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:42

I've seen at least one person on the forums say that (I assume they were watching that BBC driver tracker thing) he got caught badly in traffic on his outlap,


RTL said he was caught behind Sutil (?). So maybe it was a bad call from the team too.

#3069 dav115

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:43

Summary of Silverstone.

Qualifying: Rubbish.
Race pace: Average.
Race craft: Poor.

Time to face the facts, it's not going to happen for him.

His race pace was fine until he got stuck behind Kobayashi for a quarter of the race...

#3070 kaivo

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:44

stuck yeah.
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#3071 RedBaron

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:44

RTL said he was caught behind Sutil (?). So maybe it was a bad call from the team too.



If that was the case yes, the pit walls fault. Being behind the Sauber ruined Schumacher's race.

Whether it turns out it was Schumacher's fault or the pit wall...

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:46

I've seen at least one person on the forums say that (I assume they were watching that BBC driver tracker thing) he got caught badly in traffic on his outlap, but I'd take that with a pinch of salt until it's confirmed.


RTL said he was caught behind Sutil (?). So maybe it was a bad call from the team too.


He came out in clear air with no car immediately in front of him.

Edited by Spa95, 11 July 2010 - 13:46.


#3073 Dragonfly

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:47

Still, today Michael performed worse than expected. No need to look for excuses. Of course. there are reasons, but the fact is today Nico did better.

#3074 RedBaron

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:47

Still, today Michael performed worse than expected. No need to look for excuses. Of course. there are reasons, but the fact is today Nico did better.


That's a good summary.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:48

I think his performances are now getting to the stage where it is even embarrassing for his detractors. I mean his performances have been so crap and he has been so thoroughly spanked by N Rosberg that One feels nothing but pity for his deluded fans who clutching at straws attempt to find more and more desperate justifications for his performances. I was looking at the live timing throughout the race and he was absolutely poor for the duration of the race. His third sector was piss poor all race and that's why he deservedly loss his position to the Sauber. That red helmet in the silver car is becoming a very sad sight indeed.

#3076 dav115

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:49

He came out in clear air with no car immediately in front of him.

He came out in clean air, but this debate centres on whether or not he came into traffic (somebody suggested Sutil) during S3, which is where he lost a hell of a lot of time.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:52

Pretty obvious that he was in trafic, he would have been infront of Rubens otherwise.

#3078 RedBaron

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:54

The better option would for sure have been to stay out like Rosberg did on the option tyres. So if Schumacher had got out ahead of the Sauber, it was a bad choice.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:55

I think his performances are now getting to the stage where it is even embarrassing for his detractors. I mean his performances have been so crap and he has been so thoroughly spanked by N Rosberg that One feels nothing but pity for his deluded fans who clutching at straws attempt to find more and more desperate justifications for his performances. I was looking at the live timing throughout the race and he was absolutely poor for the duration of the race. His third sector was piss poor all race and that's why he deservedly loss his position to the Sauber. That red helmet in the silver car is becoming a very sad sight indeed.


Nice try. Of course you negate the fact that in the last 2 races Rosberg has only beaten him through shit pit calls and idiotic driving from a certain polish driver, but be my guest. Michael got points today in a car that was far from perfect. He didnt have clear air like his team mate for the majority of the race.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:56

He wasn't in traffic, he just make mistake. Second sector was fast, just mistake in S3. He wanted to do fast lap. But as somebody say S3 was disaster for him all weekend. Sutil pit after him.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 13:57

It seems tyres are still a huge huge factor for his performances.
He´s struggling to get them in the right (termperature) window, which leads to poor qualifiyings and poor performance after SC and his tyre wear is too high.

Edited by Urawa, 11 July 2010 - 13:57.


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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:01

Good thing next year we'll have new tires.


#3083 merschu

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:04

Schumi was just not good enough today! But atleast got some points.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:11

His tires was finished in the end. Michael made to many mistakes today, he was good for 5th. He could overtake Bari even coming when he came or even if he stayed out for 2-3 laps. But he did make mistake, which cost him two places(Bari ,Koba). Coming late would give him better tires for the end. His pit stop was 1 sec. faster than other two(Bari and Koba).

Edited by ivand911, 11 July 2010 - 14:12.


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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:13

Still, today Michael performed worse than expected. No need to look for excuses. Of course. there are reasons, but the fact is today Nico did better.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:14

The better option would for sure have been to stay out like Rosberg did on the option tyres. So if Schumacher had got out ahead of the Sauber, it was a bad choice.



His own fault, he lost 3 seconds in S3 (41,x seconds) in his outlap and therefore he lost a place to Kobayashi. Otherwise the strategy would be not that bad because he drove already a PB in S2 and was stuck behind Barrichello before his pit stop.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:17

typical race from schumacher.

Vettels pass on him showed how young drivers have no fear of him and his blocking moves

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:20

typical race from schumacher.

Vettels pass on him showed how young drivers have no fear of him and his blocking moves

Right, because it's not like Vettel was in the dominant car of the weekend, whilst Schumacher was in a Mercedes with a broken front wing and hopelessly used tyres?

#3089 Diablobb81

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:22

typical race from schumacher.

Vettels pass on him showed how young drivers have no fear of him and his blocking moves


Schumi had no chance against Vettel.

On Sutil he admitted that he didn't expect the FI to have so much speed on that part. But the FI has the biggest top speed and Sutil was on softs.

Edited by Diablobb81, 11 July 2010 - 14:22.


#3090 RedBaron

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:22

Schumacher's words, his fault after the pit stop... that's settled then! Still a bad choice by him and his team to bring him in that early.

Edited by RedBaron, 11 July 2010 - 14:22.


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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:25

Top interview by MS and very honest to. Lets just wait if next year he is still slow then yea maybe he is too old for the sport.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:27

Nico said they expect good updates for Germany. Waiting for next race. Points today for a change. What say Michael?

Edited by ivand911, 11 July 2010 - 14:28.


#3093 RedBaron

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:28

Top interview by MS and very honest to. Lets just wait if next year he is still slow then yea maybe he is too old for the sport.



Completely agree, obviously that's not good enough for the anti-Schumacher's but what will be?;)

For me if after he/Rosberg have helped develop a car (rather than one made for Button), had a full season back with new regulations and got his eye back on the ball and he is still consistently slower (without incidents) in 2011 I will think he shouldn't be there in 2012. He has nothing left to prove, no point finishing down the order.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:28

Nico said they expect good updates for Germany. Waiting for next race. Points today for a change. What say Michael?


New chassis for him for Spa. He wanted it earlier.

Edited by Diablobb81, 11 July 2010 - 14:29.


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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:29

Nico said they expect good updates for Germany. Waiting for next race. Points today for a change. What say Michael?


Admits he has made errors this weekend and that he knows he needs to up is game.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:34

New tires for next year, will change the game. Still happy, without Michael this season could be like last 3 years. I wouldn't have 600 posts here. :rotfl: Sometimes one sector decide the race. This things happens.

Edited by ivand911, 11 July 2010 - 14:36.


#3097 Tarzaan

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:36

:(

It would be muck better if his out lap is OK.

#3098 man

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:38

The interesting thing is this isn't a case of Nelson Piquet from 1988 onwards I.e no motivation happy with the money sort of driver, M Schumacher desperately wants to win and more importantly beat his teammate Rosberg. But he doesn't have the ability to do so. A good driver can adapt and M Schumacher seems to be making little or no impression on Rosberg since the start of 2010. As Lauda says he justifies it to himself that he needs more rime to adapt but how much time ? I think he has had plenty and if anything Rosberg is going to improve further. His historical status is going down like a led balloon. It would be different if lived the playboy lifestyle of Piquet who you always felt ha the talent but just couldn't be bothered. M Schumacher wants it badly and when he realises he hasn't got what it takes it will hurt.

#3099 dav115

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:41

As Lauda says he justifies it to himself that he needs more rime to adapt but how much time ?

According to Pedro de La Rosa, 1 year. Although of course the new tyres next year should level the playing field.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 14:43

OK we get it ,he is led balloon. When you will get it, some of us don't care.