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#3751 ivand911

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 13:57

With car like this there isn't such possibility. So you can calm down now. Jokers.

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#3752 bobban86

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 14:05

let's just hope for a clean first corner tomorrow and then we will see how it works out! :cool:

#3753 F1Champion

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 14:56

Is it really about age?
Look at Barrichello, he´s not that much younger than MS and has been almost as long as MS
in F1. In fact he´s got more races and he´s still quicker than his new talented teammate.


Not comparable and you know it. Rubens hasn't taken a 3 year break from F1 and Hulkenburg is in his first season of F1.

Michael has a third year break and is up against Rosberg who is far more experienced and arguably quicker.

#3754 ivand911

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 15:01

This is Forty, you are talking with. :rotfl:

#3755 salamin

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 15:05

Not comparable and you know it. Rubens hasn't taken a 3 year break from F1 and Hulkenburg is in his first season of F1.

Michael has a third year break and is up against Rosberg who is far more experienced and arguably quicker.


and for the record: michael has more points than rubens

#3756 Birelman

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 15:18

and for the record: michael has more points than rubens

He also has a far better car that's been to the podium and actually lead the championship at one point, although, not in his hands... :wave:

Well, that's not entirely true, Michael did co-lead the championship during the first race of the season, that is of course, until everyone crossed the finish line :p

Edited by Birelman, 24 July 2010 - 15:19.


#3757 salamin

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 16:44

He also has a far better car that's been to the podium and actually lead the championship at one point, although, not in his hands... :wave:


far better car ? not really
and rubens was almost on podium at the eu-gp

#3758 Birelman

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 16:47

far better car ? not really
and rubens was almost on podium at the eu-gp

Yes, far better car throughout the season, yes. And yes, of course, Rubens was close to a podium, "Rubens" that's the point, where as Michael while having his car proven to be capable hasn't even come close.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 16:52

Don't think the car has ever been capable of a podium from pace alone this season, circumstance sure, when enough cars screw up in front, any car can get a podium.

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#3760 salamin

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 16:53

Yes, far better car throughout the season, yes. And yes, of course, Rubens was close to a podium, "Rubens" that's the point, where as Michael while having his car proven to be capable hasn't even come close.


maybe no podium, but he had a 4th place as well
fact is, ms has more points

#3761 Birelman

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 16:56

maybe no podium, but he had a 4th place as well
fact is, ms has more points

fact is, Schumacher hasn't been setting the world on fire, where as Williams is really pleased with Rubens. More so, Schumacher has even his most die hard fans scratching their heads while Ruben's fans are impressed of the work he's doing at the moment. Big difference.

#3762 salamin

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 17:11

fact is, Schumacher hasn't been setting the world on fire, where as Williams is really pleased with Rubens. More so, Schumacher has even his most die hard fans scratching their heads while Ruben's fans are impressed of the work he's doing at the moment. Big difference.


'cos the expectations are way higher for michael (7 wdc...)... let's be honest rubens is a mediocre pilot at his best ;)

Edited by salamin, 24 July 2010 - 17:12.


#3763 arknor

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 18:40

fact is, Schumacher hasn't been setting the world on fire, where as Williams is really pleased with Rubens. More so, Schumacher has even his most die hard fans scratching their heads while Ruben's fans are impressed of the work he's doing at the moment. Big difference.

most diehard fans dont just look at season statistics and wonder whats going on they engage brain and look into every detail and realise whats going on

#3764 Johnrambo

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 21:32

let's be honest rubens is a mediocre pilot at his best ;)


And let's be honest right now (which is what really matters) MS is at best a pisspoor pilot.;)


#3765 ivand911

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 21:39

Continue repeating this, somebody can believe you. You guys are getting desperate.

#3766 Muz Bee

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 21:39

Brundle got it right again, that's the best Michael has driven this year. Sadly it counts for little as his teammate pipped him into the top 10 and both are struggling to get their tyres working again. There will be huge head scratching going on at Mercedes F1.

#3767 ivand911

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 21:50

Brundle to say something good about Michael. This is new. But I agree with him(Michael drive good today, not best for the year but very close). Michael likes P11 better than P10, so no big problem there and maybe P11 can give advantage in strategy choice. I am not worried about Michael getting in front of Nico, he prove he can do it even if difference is more than 2 places. I am worried how the team can mess his race again.

Edited by ivand911, 25 July 2010 - 06:24.


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Posted 24 July 2010 - 21:51

Brundle got it right again, that's the best Michael has driven this year. Sadly it counts for little as his teammate pipped him into the top 10 and both are struggling to get their tyres working again. There will be huge head scratching going on at Mercedes F1.



I thought he looked very good at Monaco too, he looked 'on it' there. However I agree, there was virtually nothing to separate him and Rosberg today indicating that both are getting the maximum out of the cars and speed wise Schumacher is as fast as he can be at the moment.

#3769 aditya-now

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 21:59

Is it really about age?
Look at Barrichello, he´s not that much younger than MS and has been almost as long as MS
in F1. In fact he´s got more races and he´s still quicker than his new talented teammate.


I really admire Rubens - he seems to be the one who brings Williams back to the top. Dedication, sincerity, an altogether nice bloke.
Mercedes no doubt intended the same with Michael - that he guides them to WDCs and WCCs.

Well, into a team that had just won both titles last year - there comes Michael, with mighty Mercedes behind.

And look what he did again in Hockenheim - I really have to say his fans and apologists have admirable endurance, like their idol.

So on to 2011, but 2010 will still be a long year for Michael, his fans, and Mercedes GP.


#3770 aditya-now

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 22:02

Continue repeating this, somebody can believe you. You guys are getting desperate.


This is unbelievable, how desperate an 11th qualifying position by Michael can make us!
And I see decent people here claiming that this has been the best showing of Michael of the season safe and except Monaco.

Well, if 11th is his best, wow. That team was WDC and WCC last year...
Now they just have Mercedes money and technology to support their back as well.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 22:42

This is unbelievable, how desperate an 11th qualifying position by Michael can make us!
And I see decent people here claiming that this has been the best showing of Michael of the season safe and except Monaco.

Well, if 11th is his best, wow. That team was WDC and WCC last year...
Now they just have Mercedes money and technology to support their back as well.


The thing is in my opinion last year was nothing short of a flook for Brawn. Look at most of the races past Turkey last year and Button could do no better than 4th or 5th in each race. He saw this coming and is why he left IMO.

Sadly Schumacher fell for it. Its still the Honda people there and i dont think ther 2011 car will be much better. 09 was just something random. Its a shame Schumacher wasent Vettels team mate i think that would of been better.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 01:06

The thing is in my opinion last year was nothing short of a flook for Brawn. Look at most of the races past Turkey last year and Button could do no better than 4th or 5th in each race. He saw this coming and is why he left IMO.

Sadly Schumacher fell for it. Its still the Honda people there and i dont think ther 2011 car will be much better. 09 was just something random. Its a shame Schumacher wasent Vettels team mate i think that would of been better.


Of course it would have been better. The Redbull is the best car at the moment. What is interesting for the neutrals at present is to see for the first time since 1991 how M Schumacher performs in a environment based on equality and where the car is not designed only around him at the expense of his teammate. I think we are now finding out more about M Schumacher than at any other stage of his career.The results give food for thought to say the least...


#3773 baddog

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 01:48

Of course it would have been better. The Redbull is the best car at the moment. What is interesting for the neutrals at present is to see for the first time since 1991 how M Schumacher performs in a environment based on equality and where the car is not designed only around him at the expense of his teammate. I think we are now finding out more about M Schumacher than at any other stage of his career.The results give food for thought to say the least...

We are seeing him struggle to do well enough in a team that has no real idea where it is going. This is true. All the rest is of course just you suffering from an epic case of confirmation bias.

You have been talking to some of these 'neutrals' presumably? Because man... you are a long long way from being one yourself. At least most of us dont pretend.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 02:23

Schumi either has a ton of rust to work off or he's lost it.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 03:40

It was a well used argument that Schumacher never had to deal with struggling midfield cars and equality with a younger and quick teammate

The the 2010 season comes, and everything that people have been saying for 10 or 15 years seems to be true..

It is not like.. people are using this season to criticize Michael... everyone said, even during the Ferrari glori days, that they wanted to see Michael driving for a team that is not top 3 and having a quick teammate.. like a Montoya or a Alonso or a Raikkonen..

2005 season was very telling.. Michael couldnt score a win even had the 3rd best car in the field.. and the only reason he outscored Montoya and Fisichella that year is because he raced 3 more GPs than Montoya and 1 more than Fisi (that 'free win" in Monaco)

In fact, with you dont count that Monaco GP, Michael only scored 5 more points than Ralf Schumacher..

That was a man at his prime, coming from 5 straight championships, with no rust, no adaptability issues and could only outscore his average brother in a worse car by 5 points

#3776 Birelman

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 03:53

'cos the expectations are way higher for michael (7 wdc...)... let's be honest rubens is a mediocre pilot at his best ;)

No, no, not relatively, it's factual

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 05:10

It was a well used argument that Schumacher never had to deal with struggling midfield cars and equality with a younger and quick teammate

The the 2010 season comes, and everything that people have been saying for 10 or 15 years seems to be true..

It is not like.. people are using this season to criticize Michael... everyone said, even during the Ferrari glori days, that they wanted to see Michael driving for a team that is not top 3 and having a quick teammate.. like a Montoya or a Alonso or a Raikkonen..

2005 season was very telling.. Michael couldnt score a win even had the 3rd best car in the field.. and the only reason he outscored Montoya and Fisichella that year is because he raced 3 more GPs than Montoya and 1 more than Fisi (that 'free win" in Monaco)

In fact, with you dont count that Monaco GP, Michael only scored 5 more points than Ralf Schumacher..

That was a man at his prime, coming from 5 straight championships, with no rust, no adaptability issues and could only outscore his average brother in a worse car by 5 points


I'm sorry but 2005 was all about Ferrari's struggle with the tyre, performance vs reliability, any pilot in that car would have struggled. 2010 is a completely different set of circumstances and has little bearing on what occured in the past.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 05:38

Montezemolo must be laughin out loud by now.
Luca got rid of Schumy and his high wages and now is watching him digging his own hole.

Simply the ellements that made him win so much at Ferrari are absent at Mercedes:
> The reliability. MS lost a wheel in Malaysia, when he was in a good position on race day.
> The race strategy. Despite Ross Brawn being there on the pit wall, his strategy in Valencia was pathetic.
> His superdomestics. Rubens, Burti and Badoer are not making countless laps in Fiorano and Mugello to develop the car for him.
> Etc.

I think Schumy made an emotional decision.
Is he becoming human ?
OMG... Schumacher is actually Pinoquio !!!

Edited by Kovalonso, 25 July 2010 - 05:40.


#3779 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 05:49

Since he is no longer a Ferrari man, you guys have my permission to make fun of him at will. :lol: but seriously I am happy he is back and am happy he is eating the humble pie in that car, but if he could win a race would be great to see him on the podium and see if he would leap as before. All in all it's great viewing.

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#3780 ivand911

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 06:21

Sorry, MGP car is still more reliable than Ferrari this days. Not faster ,but reliable. How much new engines have Alonso left? And we will see who is Pinoquio. They guy who was pathetic last two years? The guy who was beaten by rookie team mate? Lets he first achieve something at Ferrari , and then we can speak. He still have to fill big shoes there.

Edited by ivand911, 25 July 2010 - 06:31.


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Posted 25 July 2010 - 06:42

Montezemolo must be laughin out loud by now.
Luca got rid of Schumy and his high wages and now is watching him digging his own hole.

Simply the ellements that made him win so much at Ferrari are absent at Mercedes:
> The reliability. MS lost a wheel in Malaysia, when he was in a good position on race day.
> The race strategy. Despite Ross Brawn being there on the pit wall, his strategy in Valencia was pathetic.
> His superdomestics. Rubens, Burti and Badoer are not making countless laps in Fiorano and Mugello to develop the car for him.
> Etc.

I think Schumy made an emotional decision.
Is he becoming human ?
OMG... Schumacher is actually Pinoquio !!!



How's that been going for Ferrari by the way?? Back to becoming the biggest joke in Formula one aren't they. Something that never occurred when Michael was at the helm. I'm sure Michael must be laughing out loud right now. Montezemelo has brought in the two best drivers in F1 at the corresponding times and both have failed to deliver. Atleast Michael warranted his wage unlike Raikkonen and now Alonso...

Oh and simply, the elements that made Ferrari successful are now either at Mercedes or retired

> The drive and passion that Michael instilled within the team
> The Anglo Saxon work ethic employed by Ross Brawn and Jean Todt
> The brains behind the organization. Its become more then apparent that the Ferrari pitwall are a bunch of clueless monkeys. Brawn haven't had a great year by their standards, but Ferrari haven't had a good 3 years by their standards left by Michael, Jean and Ross. Oh and that guy called Stepney that had their pitcrew running like a well oiled machine.

But yep, Luca must be laughing.

People in Glass houses.

Edited by marchi-91, 25 July 2010 - 06:43.


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Posted 25 July 2010 - 06:57

How's that been going for Ferrari by the way?? Back to becoming the biggest joke in Formula one aren't they. Something that never occurred when Michael was at the helm. I'm sure Michael must be laughing out loud right now. Montezemelo has brought in the two best drivers in F1 at the corresponding times and both have failed to deliver. Atleast Michael warranted his wage unlike Raikkonen and now Alonso...

Oh and simply, the elements that made Ferrari successful are now either at Mercedes or retired

> The drive and passion that Michael instilled within the team
> The Anglo Saxon work ethic employed by Ross Brawn and Jean Todt
> The brains behind the organization. Its become more then apparent that the Ferrari pitwall are a bunch of clueless monkeys. Brawn haven't had a great year by their standards, but Ferrari haven't had a good 3 years by their standards left by Michael, Jean and Ross. Oh and that guy called Stepney that had their pitcrew running like a well oiled machine.

But yep, Luca must be laughing.

People in Glass houses.

Indeed, great remarks.

Its seems that there was genuine synergy there, bcs the division of the Dream Team ellements in two doesn't make half of it, but much less in reality.

Time will tell if its easyer for Schumy to transform the whole Mercedes GP into a The Silver Dream or Alonso to replace some of the lost pieces of the shattered Red Jewel.
Who will shine brighter in 2011 ?

Will they sleep sweet dreams AGAIN or confirm their forum nicks of Cheatmaker and Fraudonso ?


#3783 Muz Bee

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:52

Schumi either has a ton of rust to work off or he's lost it.

No, apparently he just isn't going to show his real speed without a front running car and everyone working for his side of the garage. :)


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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:59

No, apparently he just isn't going to show his real speed without a front running car and everyone working for his side of the garage. :)


Sarcasm rules! :clap: oh....well after me it does lol

#3785 arknor

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 11:43

if schumacher doesnt start on hards i swear ill go mad.

im expecting him to start on softs and pit after 3 laps :rolleyes:

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 11:57

Good weather, track temperature good. Lets start. :)
All start with softs. Will see.

Edited by ivand911, 25 July 2010 - 12:00.


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Posted 25 July 2010 - 13:00

He's right about testing! 90,000 miles to 0 makes no sense. :down:

Edited by David M. Kane, 25 July 2010 - 15:38.


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Posted 25 July 2010 - 13:52

if schumacher doesnt start on hards i swear ill go mad.

im expecting him to start on softs and pit after 3 laps :rolleyes:

A slight mistake in the number of laps only :)

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 13:54

Mercedes is certainly giving preferential treatment to one of its driver! And guess what it's not Michael Schumacher but Nico Rossberg! I don't know why Schumi in every race tries to make an effort to overtake Nico on the 1st lap, when the team will eventually switch him behind Nico after the pit stop!

Merc knows they won't get Vettel till atleast 2012, so they are trying to ruin Schumi's reputation to make Rosberg look good! Wish Schumi good luck for the rest of his journey in the Merc team.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 13:54

good drive

can anyone explain the strategy again?

why start on softs then pit early?

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 13:55

if schumacher doesnt start on hards i swear ill go mad.

im expecting him to start on softs and pit after 3 laps :rolleyes:


:rotfl:

Good one :up:
Almost got it right. This team is a joke, really.

#3792 cheapracer

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 13:57

Awesome, how large a chunk of the bullshit Austria 2002 did Alonso just take off Schumacher's shoulders!!

:lol: :lol:


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Posted 25 July 2010 - 13:57

Mercedes is certainly giving preferential treatment to one of its driver! And guess what it's not Michael Schumacher but Nico Rossberg! I don't know why Schumi in every race tries to make an effort to overtake Nico on the 1st lap, when the team will eventually switch him behind Nico after the pit stop!

Merc knows they won't get Vettel till atleast 2012, so they are trying to ruin Schumi's reputation to make Rosberg look good! Wish Schumi good luck for the rest of his journey in the Merc team.


Haha...we've heard it all now. :drunk:

Your hero was beaten again fair and square.


#3794 sephiroth

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 13:59

Mercs are bad. But I am hopeful that they'll have a better car in 2011.

Schumi brought in 90 million to the team and they treat him like the number 2.

#3795 merschu

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 14:00

Haha...we've heard it all now. :drunk:

Your hero was beaten again fair and square.


I am not really interested to talk to a troll..!

#3796 arknor

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 14:03

:rotfl:

Good one :up:
Almost got it right. This team is a joke, really.

the teams a joke most retarded stratergies for schumacher every race...

button has shown time and time again unless your at the very front then theres far to much traffic around your pit window....

why start on softs when you have the option to start on hards?
we know schumacher is fast off the line anyway he was more than likely to make 1-2 places on the first lap.
he could easily have holded people behind him while he had hard tyres and kept up with those infront.

dont most of the race on hards, the team would already know how many laps softs work for from rosbergs data.
schumacher could have done the last 17 laps on soft tyres and been attacking people on slower hard tyres.

infact he could have done more than 17 laps on soft because he would have had far less fuel than when rosberg used them so they would have lasted a fair chunk longer.

but no start on softs schummy theres a good lad...........

#3797 MCh000

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 14:04

Awesome, how large a chunk of the bullshit Austria 2002 did Alonso just take off Schumacher's shoulders!!

:lol: :lol:


So true :rotfl:

I mean, it is even more pathetic... I'm much quicker, I'm much quicker, let me pass :drunk:

#3798 Tarzaan

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 14:13

Nice start, he was ahead of Nico, but the early stop was maybe a mistake. He almost overtook both Kubis but just almost. The top speed was very week as usual.

#3799 aditya-now

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 00:46

Awesome, how large a chunk of the bullshit Austria 2002 did Alonso just take off Schumacher's shoulders!!

:lol: :lol:


Aha, cheapracer confessing there is bullshit on Schumacher´s shoulders?!
A large chunk was taken off, but indeed some remains?

Bookmarked.


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#3800 aditya-now

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 00:48

Mercedes is certainly giving preferential treatment to one of its driver! And guess what it's not Michael Schumacher but Nico Rossberg! I don't know why Schumi in every race tries to make an effort to overtake Nico on the 1st lap, when the team will eventually switch him behind Nico after the pit stop!


I think that´s the whole reason why Mercedes lured Michael out of retirement - to put him in his rightful place and to reward Rosberg.
Karma is a bitch :D