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#4501 ivand911

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 11:13

:confused:
You put Ferrari ahead of them all, it´s ok
But you put Renault, Williams and Sauber ahead of Mercedes??!! :drunk:
Based on what?

Based on the results from last 2-3 races and results from now on. :) Nico is good driver, maybe underrated. FI want podium in Spa like last year. And they do good on low DF tracks. Williams have EBD and Fduct, working. Reno will have Fduct at Spa, also have EBD, working. Sauber are on MGP level without EBD(as I remember), have good Fduct(courtesy DLR/McLaren). Mercedes will never have good good Fduct(their mistake because low air inlet). All other teams don't have big design problem like MGP. Which I can't understand. How you can get tyres wrong? All teams receive the same data from Bridgestone and only MGP get it wrong(and from here everything is messed).

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#4502 Lifew12

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:01

All other teams don't have big design problem like MGP.



I don't think MGP's 'design problem' is as big as you make out; at least Nico Rosberg isn't too bothered by it.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:04

I don't think MGP's 'design problem' is as big as you make out; at least Nico Rosberg isn't too bothered by it.


It's such a shame with that pesky Rosberg guy. If he wasn't there we wouldn't hear the end of the MGP being the worst car in the field, and by some margin! :drunk:

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:09

It's such a shame with that pesky Rosberg guy. If he wasn't there we wouldn't hear the end of the MGP being the worst car in the field, and by some margin! :drunk:

You think his goal in F1 is to fight for p.7 and p.4 for the team? Great achievement. :rotfl: Maybe if there wasn't such problem he and Michael can fight with first 3 teams and win some race.

Edited by ivand911, 12 August 2010 - 12:12.


#4505 Lifew12

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:13

You think his goal in F1 is to fight for p.7 and p.4 for the team? Great achievement. :rotfl:


It may not be be his goal and I doubt it is, but you're claiming the car has this 'big design problem' and yet he's had it on the podium. His team mate hasn't. Given that both like the same sort of car - apparently - ho can it be that Rosberg is OK and his team mate isn't?

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:23

It may not be be his goal and I doubt it is, but you're claiming the car has this 'big design problem' and yet he's had it on the podium. His team mate hasn't. Given that both like the same sort of car - apparently - ho can it be that Rosberg is OK and his team mate isn't?

Did he get this podiums on merit? Don't see any more podiums for him with this RBR,Ferrari and McLaren form. But he could be lucky again and they all to have problems. Kubica also get podium in Australia, and if Button wasn't hitting peoples there, this podium was for Michael. Kubica was behind Button(who was behind Alonso and Michael) before first corner. I don't understand how you hit two people(Alonso and Michael) you destroy their races and you get win in the end? I think one drive thru was appropriate then.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:27

It may not be be his goal and I doubt it is, but you're claiming the car has this 'big design problem' and yet he's had it on the podium. His team mate hasn't. Given that both like the same sort of car - apparently - ho can it be that Rosberg is OK and his team mate isn't?


No no no. What it is is that Rosberg that useless driver is stupidly trying to make the most of what he has while the design team switches focus onto 2011. M Schumqcher in the other hand would never be so foolish, no. M Schumacher instead of wasting time driving quickly takes a peice of paper and a pencil into the cockpit at each race weekend and while he circulates on the course, he is simultainiously designing a world beater for 2011- while in the cockpit.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:33

No no no. What it is is that Rosberg that useless driver is stupidly trying to make the most of what he has while the design team switches focus onto 2011. M Schumqcher in the other hand would never be so foolish, no. M Schumacher instead of wasting time driving quickly takes a peice of paper and a pencil into the cockpit at each race weekend and while he circulates on the course, he is simultainiously designing a world beater for 2011- while in the cockpit.

No no no. He use small computer for this with designing software, he send images on the move. This is why he miss corners some time.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:40

No, I'm someone who loves F1 racing and finds the trials and tribulations of all drivers and teams interesting. I've explained it before - it doesn't matter to me who wins or who loses, who does well and who does not, what is the best or what is the worst, as what I am interested in is motor racing.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:47

No no no. He use small computer for this with designing software, he send images on the move. This is why he miss corners some time.

did he ever miss a corner in a race? he went slightly wide a couple of times but so has everyone else.

in practice sessions he was always known for missing corners where he tried to find out where the limit was which everyone always saw as beeing smart but i guess your not to formula one or just trolling

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:51

Did he get this podiums on merit?


I would say very much so, especially malaysia where he qualified on the front row and was beaten only by the Red Bull pair; I can't think what else you would expect him to do in that situation. I agree, however, that he's not going to be picking up many more, but he'll certainly score a bag load more points.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:51

No no no. What it is is that Rosberg that useless driver is stupidly trying to make the most of what he has while the design team switches focus onto 2011. M Schumqcher in the other hand would never be so foolish, no. M Schumacher instead of wasting time driving quickly takes a peice of paper and a pencil into the cockpit at each race weekend and while he circulates on the course, he is simultainiously designing a world beater for 2011- while in the cockpit.


While you're trying to be a clown I believe this is the first post you have posted in this thread that actually resembles the truth.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:53

While you're trying to be a clown I believe this is the first post you have posted in this thread that actually resembles the truth.


I doubt it resembles the truth in any way at all; unless, that is, Michael has been planning for 2011 since the first race of the season.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 13:03

You say it yourself, it's an opinion.

And there it is, I state facts often with figures, examples and results against your self confessed opinion so you simply turn to the "your a fanboy" defense.

Feel free to start a Clark Fanboy thread hypocrite, I'll be there.


Facts hmm .. You sure , you want to have discussion based on facts?
We didnt have to dig too far - just look up 2010 stats , lap times and points etc.

But no - you choose to live in the past ... For you facts are 10% of all races won!!
Well I am surprised that its not 15% given he was in a car capable of lapping the entire field (-bar his teammate ) & had lapdog as a teammate 5 years in a row.


And you calling someone hypocrite because he stated, that it is his opinion, is the laughable part.
What do you think you are writing - God's Own Truth? You have been spouting your opinion all over for the last 10 pages ..

Now that's what I call Hypocrisy!

Edited by flyer121, 12 August 2010 - 13:50.


#4515 ivand911

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 13:09

I would say very much so, especially malaysia where he qualified on the front row and was beaten only by the Red Bull pair; I can't think what else you would expect him to do in that situation. I agree, however, that he's not going to be picking up many more, but he'll certainly score a bag load more points.

Malaysia he qualified there because of the rain, and McLaren's and Ferrari's started at the back. This help of course.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 13:09

While you're trying to be a clown I believe this is the first post you have posted in this thread that actually resembles the truth.


So it takes a clown to understand exactly what M Schumacher is doing this year being out-classed, out-paced race after after race. I would check what they are mixing your bai jiu Mr lao wai. Your fantasy is becoming a bit alarming even for a clown ;-)

But come on opinions are for losers, we live in the present 2010 with factual information.

Rosberg = outscored M Schumacher by DOUBLE
Rosberg = outqualified M Schumacher by TRIPLE




#4517 Lifew12

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 13:19

Malaysia he qualified there because of the rain, and McLaren's and Ferrari's started at the back. This help of course.


of course it helped. He still had to do it, however.

#4518 merschu

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 13:27

This is a Michael Schumacher thread! Not a M.S vs Nico thread!

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 13:29

While you're trying to be a clown I believe this is the first post you have posted in this thread that actually resembles the truth.


Oh come on, do you really think that MSC is 'designing' his 2011 car ? :lol: If so, then I assume you have no connection with any type of engineering.  ;)

He is just slow. Much slower than his teammate in the same car. Tell me, how is it possible that Rosberg outscored and outpaced MSC so massively in such a crap ?? I know this is not a winning car, but it's not so bad and Rosberg shows that.

Maybe I should return to my old sig :p

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 16:27

Facts hmm .. You sure , you want to have discussion based on facts?
We didnt have to dig too far - just look up 2010 stats , lap times and points etc.

But no - you choose to live in the past ... For you facts are 10% of all races won!!
Well I am surprised that its not 15% given he was in a car capable of lapping the entire field (-bar his teammate ) & had lapdog as a teammate 5 years in a row.


And you calling someone hypocrite because he stated, that it is his opinion, is the laughable part.
What do you think you are writing - God's Own Truth? You have been spouting your opinion all over for the last 10 pages ..

Now that's what I call Hypocrisy!


This thread is about MS as a whole not just 2010 where he is indeed being beaten by Rosberg, I've said that a large number of times, whats your point?

Your a very confused person, quote my non facts .... 10% won of all races ever is a fact including 2010, whats your problem with that?

No I'm stating he is a hypocrite because he calls me a fanboy then goes on to glorify Clark - that was clear in my post if you can't keep up because of your poor English thats your lookout, this is an English only forum and I'm not here to walk you through it.

So it takes a clown to understand exactly what M Schumacher is doing this year being out-classed, out-paced race after after race. I would check what they are mixing your bai jiu Mr lao wai. Your fantasy is becoming a bit alarming even for a clown ;-)

But come on opinions are for losers, we live in the present 2010 with factual information.

Rosberg = outscored M Schumacher by DOUBLE
Rosberg = outqualified M Schumacher by TRIPLE


You live in the present? That a joke Mate? - why have you posted so much about his past? You are one of the main protagonists here about his past, get a grip.

And err yeah, where have I disputed that exactly - please actually quote me .... I can quote a number of posts where people have totally forgotten Monaco, Spain and Turkey.

Anyone thinks I have fantasied about Michael Schumacher please feel free to quote it. And while your at it PLEASE someone provide evidence of some of the continually claimed "arrogant" title - I've been asking for 15 years.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 16:30

Hi Lifew12

I agree with what you say in general, and think it´s sensible.
But I would like you to explain this comment to me:

>>> I don't buy the 'three years out' excuse for one simple reason - he's no longer been away for three years. <<<

Do you think, that in any sport somebody can stop for 3 years, come back and be still at the top of their game? (without the possibility for training/testing)
That would rather surprise me.
Would it be resonable to think, that (as an example) Roger Federer stop playing tennis for 3 years, then come back only plays
10 matches (no training/testing) and goes on and wins a grand slam?

I don´t want to been seen as making excuses for M.S., it was more a question out of general interest.
I agree with you, that a lot of the "disapointment" among some people/fans has something to do with expecatations.
I did not expect him to come back and be immidately at the top again.
I understand that (some) people question his adaptability (or speed of) now, that´s a legitimate point IMO.
But to say three years away from the sport should not matter?
I don´t know, that would cast some serious doubts on the level of competition in F1. IMHO

Thanks



He hasn't been away for 3 years though has he? In 2010 he has competed in 12 GP, 12 qualifying sessions, practice sessions and pre season testing. This 3 year business is old hat.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 16:33

Oh come on, do you really think that MSC is 'designing' his 2011 car ?

:lol: If so, then I assume you have no connection with any type of engineering. ;)


So you are saying he has no substantial input into next years car?

:lol: If so, then I assume you have no connection with any type of engineering. ;)





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Posted 12 August 2010 - 16:39

He hasn't been away for 3 years though has he? In 2010 he has competed in 12 GP, 12 qualifying sessions, practice sessions and pre season testing. This 3 year business is old hat.


Well theres the logic that suits your agenda Mate.

What a waste of time this thread has become, I have never seen in any forum the continued energy to hate someone, what a complete life you guys must have :lol:


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 16:46

You live in the present? That a joke Mate? - why have you posted so much about his past? You are one of the main protagonists here about his past, get a grip.

And err yeah, where have I disputed that exactly - please actually quote me .... I can quote a number of posts where people have totally forgotten Monaco, Spain and Turkey.

Anyone thinks I have fantasied about Michael Schumacher please feel free to quote it. And while your at it PLEASE someone provide evidence of some of the continually claimed "arrogant" title - I've been asking for 15 years.


Excuse me as I filter through the drivel ;-)

The section highlighted in bold is the only aspect that I can be expected to reply to.

Evidence for the "arrogant" title?

Defintion:

1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others:

I would look no futher than the last Hungarian GP. His response when questioned about his decision to risk the life of a former teammate. No doubt, I wouldn't expect a fanatic of M Schumacher or somebody of your ilk to agree with me...but hey, thats what forums are for. ;-)



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Posted 12 August 2010 - 16:52

Record Number
Championship titles 7 (1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)
Consecutive titles 5 (2000–2004)
Race victories 91
Consecutive wins 7 (2004, Europe–Hungary)
Wins with one team 72 (Ferrari)
Wins at same GP 8 (France)
Wins at different GPs 22
Longest Time between first and last wins 14 years, 1 month and 2 days
Second places 43
Podiums (Top 3) 154
Consecutive podium finishes 19 (US 2001–Japan 2002)
Points finishes 197
Consecutive points finishes 24 (Hungary 2001–Malaysia 2003)
Laps leading 4741 (22,155 km)[157]
Pole positions 68
Front row starts 115
Fastest laps 76
Doubles (Pole and win) 40
Perfect Score (Pole, fastest lap and win) 22
Championship points 1,407
Most points in a season for a runner-up 121 (2006)
Most wins in a season for a runner-up 7 (2006)
Wins at Indianapolis (any racing class) 5
Wins at Monza (Formula One) 5
Wins in a season 13 (72%) (2004)
Fastest laps in a season 10 (2004)
Points scored in a season 148 (82% of Max available) (2004)
Podium finishes in a season 17 (100%) (2002)
Championship won with most races left 6 (2002)
Largest championship-winning margin 67 (2002)
Consecutive years with a win 15 (1992–2006)
Most races with 1 team 181 (Ferrari)
Consecutive days as champion 1813 (from 8 October 2000 until 25 September 2005)

Edited by cheapracer, 12 August 2010 - 16:56.


#4526 man

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 16:56

Record Number
Championship titles 7 (1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)
Consecutive titles 5 (2000–2004)
Race victories 91
Consecutive wins 7 (2004, Europe–Hungary)
Wins with one team 72 (Ferrari)
Wins at same GP 8 (France)
Wins at different GPs 22
Longest Time between first and last wins 14 years, 1 month and 2 days
Second places 43
Podiums (Top 3) 154
Consecutive podium finishes 19 (US 2001–Japan 2002)
Points finishes 197
Consecutive points finishes 24 (Hungary 2001–Malaysia 2003)
Laps leading 4741 (22,155 km)[157]
Pole positions 68
Front row starts 115
Fastest laps 76
Doubles (Pole and win) 40
Perfect Score (Pole, fastest lap and win) 22
Championship points 1,407
Most points in a season for a runner-up 121 (2006)
Most wins in a season for a runner-up[4] 7 (2006)
Wins at Indianapolis (any racing class) 5
Wins at Monza (Formula One) 5
Wins in a season 13 (72%) (2004)
Fastest laps in a season[5] 10 (2004)
Points scored in a season 148 (82% of Max available) (2004)
Podium finishes in a season 17 (100%) (2002)
Championship won with most races left 6 (2002)
Largest championship-winning margin 67 (2002)
Consecutive years with a win 15 (1992–2006)
Most races with 1 team 181 (Ferrari)
Consecutive days as champion 1813 (from 8 October 2000 until 25 September 2005)


And Rosberg has beaten the man with those statistics in the same car by out qualifying him 10-3 and outscored him 94-38. Your point is?

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 17:01

So what´s your point?
Who has driven more km in a F1 car in the last 3 years? N.R. or. M.S.
apart from the fact, that this post was adressed at LifeW12
start to see things in the correct context please. o.k.


Excuse me for contributing on an open forum. :confused:

The point is as of today, the present, August 2010 (the 8th month of the year) M Schumacher has not been away for 3 years. If we keep harping on about this 3 year business, why stop at 3? Lets do the full monty and ask who has most experience over the last 10 years. Bit ridiculous isn't it?


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 18:03

o.k. see your point - but we are not talking expirience here.
I still would be suprised to see any top athlete stop for 3 years come back and after 10 events (GP´s, matches, whatever) without any additonal training being at the top again.
Unless the competition in his sport is very very low.
That was my whole point, not more not less.
And M.S. has been away for 3 years no?

And you can contribute as much as you like to this open forum - no problem, but please keep things in the correct context,
and not just ripping out pieces of statements and forge them into your agenda.


I don't think I have? :confused:

My answer remains the same. Your question would have been vaild in context the moment he first sat in the Mercedes GP car during pre-season testing. Since then, he has done 687 racing laps - not including pre-season testing, practice and qualifying. Motor racing as physical as it is, is not boxing, football or atheltics. A common viewpoint was that initially he would some testing and perhaps a race or two to get up to speed. The duration of time asked in order for him to adapt to the current nature of GP racing has constantly been extended from the aforementioned timespan to the situation we have now which is either 2011 or 2012 depending on who you ask. We haven't seen any real trend of significant improvement in relation to Rosberg despite the 687 +++ laps. I'm of the opinion he has had more than sufficient time to find himself.

I should add that I think the sport has changed while he has been away, not just in terms of regulations, but I believe the quality of opposition is significantly better than what he was used to and that is another reason for why his performances have been deemed as disappointing by many folk.

Not many depart their respected sports for three years and come back, they usually find other challenges in life. Lauda is the one that pops up...he retired in 1979 and came back in 1982 and won his third race back in very impressive fashion. He went on to win at Brands Hatch in 1982 too. But Lauda was Lauda I guess.

Edited by man, 12 August 2010 - 18:16.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 18:33

Iirc, Lauda was 32 or33 at the time of his comeback.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 18:49

My ancestors did not travel all this way to compare Grand Prix champions, this is comparetheschumachers.com. You may try to mock the greatest racing driver ever to tread on the planet, we have discovered why he is not wining every race, sabotage you englisher dogs have been beaming negative waves at our glorious hero, but our scientist have counter measures ready. When the season restarts his helmet will have a lining of 0.1mm rolled aluminium alloy to foil your beams. After consultation with the former head of the FIA we have also fitted a TASER device to the drivers seat in Rosberg's car unlike the more powerful TASER used by Ferrari this device is not cruel and it will be used only in training to make Rosberg good compliant Stepford team mate.

I TELL YOU STOP MAKING WITH THEM NEGATIVE WAVES !!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by britishtrident, 12 August 2010 - 18:52.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 20:00

Based on the results from last 2-3 races and results from now on. :) Nico is good driver, maybe underrated. FI want podium in Spa like last year. And they do good on low DF tracks. Williams have EBD and Fduct, working. Reno will have Fduct at Spa, also have EBD, working. Sauber are on MGP level without EBD(as I remember), have good Fduct(courtesy DLR/McLaren). Mercedes will never have good good Fduct(their mistake because low air inlet). All other teams don't have big design problem like MGP. Which I can't understand. How you can get tyres wrong? All teams receive the same data from Bridgestone and only MGP get it wrong(and from here everything is messed).

So, what you're saying is that, The True pace of the MGP is seen on Schumacher and Nico is driving above that? Sounds familiar, but, somehow different lol

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 20:09

So you are saying he has no substantial input into next years car?

:lol: If so, then I assume you have no connection with any type of engineering.;)


No, i'm not saying this.

The problem is that many people exaggerate importance of driver's input into development of a car. Especially You, Michael Schumacher's fans. No matter how great technical knowledge driver has, he is no engineer (i don't think you are going to tell me that he has any skills in higher maths, physics etc). Of course it is very useful, because he can understand behaviour of the car better and give his engineers more detailed and precise feedback. However It doesn't mean he can design anything. There are few hundred people(engineers) in the factory and this is their job to design a car. The driver can only say what characteristics of the car he prefers and then when the car is finished and on track he can give his team feedback on it.

But if you think that Schumacher is seating in the R&D department, discussing the design of next year's car or sketching front wing's endplates, then you are wrong. :D

Edited by TURU, 12 August 2010 - 20:13.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 20:23

No, i'm not saying this.

The problem is that many people exaggerate importance of driver's input into development of a car. Especially You, Michael Schumacher's fans. No matter how great technical knowledge driver has, he is no engineer (i don't think you are going to tell me that he has any skills in higher maths, physics etc). Of course it is very useful, because he can understand behaviour of the car better and give his engineers more detailed and precise feedback. However It doesn't mean he can design anything. There are few hundred people(engineers) in the factory and this is their job to design a car. The driver can only say what characteristics of the car he prefers and then when the car is finished and on track he can give his team feedback on it.

But if you think that Schumacher is seating in the R&D department, discussing the design of next year's car or sketching front wing's endplates, then you are wrong. :D

Oh, you mean Schumacher doesn't go into the MGP factory at night in his jockey shorts and builds a Formula 1 with his bare hands? OMG!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!! This can't be!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 20:37

Iirc, Lauda was 32 or33 at the time of his comeback.

He was also publicly testing for McLaren at least a year before he came back.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 20:41

Well theres the logic that suits your agenda Mate.

What a waste of time this thread has become, I have never seen in any forum the continued energy to hate someone, what a complete life you guys must have :lol:

Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a hater or a hypocrite or a clown - to name 3 recent outbursts. This isn't an invasion of a fanclub forum as far as I am aware.

You talk about others living in the past but that's certainly the best place to live if you're a one-eyed fan of MS. That or live in hope of future glories - we will see.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 20:48

Liked the article in the in Autosport today. Although being beaten in quali and races, his ultimate pace through ou the weekend is under 3 tenths. Only Mark Webber, as Nico's teamate have done better.

Edited by chrisblades85, 12 August 2010 - 22:11.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 20:50

Oh, you mean Schumacher doesn't go into the MGP factory at night in his jockey shorts and builds a Formula 1 with his bare hands? OMG!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!! This can't be!!!!!!!!!!!



Maybe it sounds ridiculous to you, but some blind fans seem to think that he really can more or less ( :drunk: ) do something like that. Some people will get disappointed in Bahrain 2011.

#4538 Disgrace

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 20:51

Only Mark Webber, as Nico's teamate has done better.


Because Wurz and Nakajima, his other team-mates, were also rubbish. Hence the fact Wurz retired one race early and Nakajima is no longer in F1.

This was supposed to be Rosbergs true test of whether he is a top championship-potential driver.

Ironically, we still don't know due to Schumachers/Mercedes underachievement.

Edited by Disgrace, 12 August 2010 - 20:53.


#4539 Jan.W

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 23:32

Record Number
Championship titles 7 (1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)
Consecutive titles 5 (2000–2004)
Race victories 91
Consecutive wins 7 (2004, Europe–Hungary)
Wins with one team 72 (Ferrari)
Wins at same GP 8 (France)
Wins at different GPs 22
Longest Time between first and last wins 14 years, 1 month and 2 days
Second places 43
Podiums (Top 3) 154
Consecutive podium finishes 19 (US 2001–Japan 2002)
Points finishes 197
Consecutive points finishes 24 (Hungary 2001–Malaysia 2003)
Laps leading 4741 (22,155 km)[157]
Pole positions 68
Front row starts 115
Fastest laps 76
Doubles (Pole and win) 40
Perfect Score (Pole, fastest lap and win) 22
Championship points 1,407
Most points in a season for a runner-up 121 (2006)
Most wins in a season for a runner-up 7 (2006)
Wins at Indianapolis (any racing class) 5
Wins at Monza (Formula One) 5
Wins in a season 13 (72%) (2004)
Fastest laps in a season 10 (2004)
Points scored in a season 148 (82% of Max available) (2004)
Podium finishes in a season 17 (100%) (2002)
Championship won with most races left 6 (2002)
Largest championship-winning margin 67 (2002)
Consecutive years with a win 15 (1992–2006)
Most races with 1 team 181 (Ferrari)
Consecutive days as champion 1813 (from 8 October 2000 until 25 September 2005)

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#4540 flyer121

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 00:27

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Championship titles 7 (1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)
Consecutive titles 5 (2000–2004)
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#4541 flyer121

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 00:38

This thread is about MS as a whole not just 2010 where he is indeed being beaten by Rosberg, I've said that a large number of times, whats your point?

Your a very confused person, quote my non facts .... 10% won of all races ever is a fact including 2010, whats your problem with that?

No I'm stating he is a hypocrite because he calls me a fanboy then goes on to glorify Clark - that was clear in my post if you can't keep up because of your poor English thats your lookout, this is an English only forum and I'm not here to walk you through it.


Oh please, no need to be deliberately thick.
You called him the H word because "he was stating his opinion instead of facts" in your very own words.
My English is fine, thank you! The word you were looking for was "comprehension" perhaps.

BTW - you are callled a fanboy not because you glorify Schumi but because you jump on people who don't share your strong urge to fall flat on the earth and lick Schumi's feet at the very sight of him.


#4542 Muz Bee

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 03:30

This thread is about MS as a whole not just 2010 where he is indeed being beaten by Rosberg, I've said that a large number of times, whats your point?

Your a very confused person, quote my non facts .... 10% won of all races ever is a fact including 2010, whats your problem with that?

No I'm stating he is a hypocrite because he calls me a fanboy then goes on to glorify Clark - that was clear in my post if you can't keep up because of your poor English thats your lookout, this is an English only forum and I'm not here to walk you through it.

You live in the present? That a joke Mate? - why have you posted so much about his past? You are one of the main protagonists here about his past, get a grip.

And err yeah, where have I disputed that exactly - please actually quote me .... I can quote a number of posts where people have totally forgotten Monaco, Spain and Turkey.

Anyone thinks I have fantasied about Michael Schumacher please feel free to quote it. And while your at it PLEASE someone provide evidence of some of the continually claimed "arrogant" title - I've been asking for 15 years.

To label one "hypocrite" is all very well Cheapracer but you seem to miss the point about arguing another's opinion off the court. I am fine about you liking MS - I admire aspects of him myself - just when you rubbish others for their own favourite I take exception. It's totally moot and impossible to argue that Clark (or Fangio or Nuvolari etc) was best. OK Clark is my personal favourite and others might favour Gilles or Ayrton or Alain or Michael or Tazio or whoever. To say MS isn't my favourite doesn't qualify as "hater". I would have thought outside of his achievements Michael has done enough to be "controversial" at the least. I personally wouldn't go as far as some with the Number Uno driver line as he adequately demonstrated his superiority over his teammates just as Clark and others have. Just stop reading some kind of malevolence (where did I specifically call you "fanboy"?) into everything you read which doesn't totally align with your own for Pete's sake! This is a forum which is meant to present different points of view.

As for the "arrogant" evidence request - have you been living in a fishbowl? While I haven't personally met Michael, "ordinary" people I know who have spoken to him received a very poor reception despite his excellent grasp of English. I don't care about that anyway but I don't like the on track hardball approach shown again at Hockeheim which is a very bad thing for the sport IMO. His response initially to that was very poor in the eyes of the stewards and I would have to agree with them FWIW.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 03:57

Would it be resonable to think, that (as an example) Roger Federer stop playing tennis for 3 years, then come back only plays
10 matches (no training/testing) and goes on and wins a grand slam?

Actually, this has happened twice in recent years: Kim Clijsters won US Open as a wild card player in her 3rd tournament back after retiring from the sport for 2 years. This year also Justine Henin made a comeback after 2 years away from the sport and proceeded as a wild card entry to the Australian Open final in just her 2nd tournament after announcing her return. Of course outside of those matches the players did train, but you aren't suggesting Schumacher made his return without any training? F1 drivers train hard and MS's legacy is he trained the hardest of them all.

When Schumacher announced his return to the sport I immediately thought that lack of testing would hurt him badly. When he was driving for Ferrari and the setup wasn't to his liking, he would drive from morning until night, day after day in Fiorano to get things just so. The resulting confidence in the car is what allowed him to be so consistently quick, but obviously achieving success this way was very expensive. Today you simply can't do that anymore and I fail to see how in the absence of this Schumacher can anymore achieve anything like the dominance he once enjoyed. There won't be any more testing next year than there was this year and the tyres will be new. The drivers with a good feeling for the limit grip will continue to have the advantage.

#4544 slaveceru

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 05:19

But factually speaking Rosberg can only be judged on what tasks he has been given. He wasn't around when M Schumacher had the best machinery during the 90s and 00s. He can only be judged on what is available for him to do. Standards of cars fall into the category of variables so the thing that every driver must aim to do is to beat your teammate first. Rosberg has DOUBLE the points of M Schumacher and has out qualified m Schumacher by TRIPLE. Therefore, factually speaking as your ilk insist upon, Rosberg is a better driver than M Schumacher period. Standards have changed, what was good enough yesterday is evidently not good enough today - that's not even taking into consideration the preferential treatment M Schumacher received first time around.

You did not answered the question is Rosberg in your own opinion the winner material and if so is prove? I have stated several times that Rosberg is better driver this year then Schumacher but that does not mean that he would beat Schumacher when he was in top form does it?

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 05:30

No, I'm someone who loves F1 racing and finds the trials and tribulations of all drivers and teams interesting. I've explained it before - it doesn't matter to me who wins or who loses, who does well and who does not, what is the best or what is the worst, as what I am interested in is motor racing.

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I also do not care if Rosberg will beat Schumacher next year but I am extremely happy to see him racing. Rosberg is young he has to prove himself against Hamilton, Alonso and Vettle which are the top guns now in F1, Schumacher on the other hand does not need to prove anything to the media or fans, but I think he return to F1 to prove himself that he can do it once again and let him bee that is all and yes he still deserve the place in F1 grid.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 05:36

You did not answered the question is Rosberg in your own opinion the winner material and if so is prove? I have stated several times that Rosberg is better driver this year then Schumacher but that does not mean that he would beat Schumacher when he was in top form does it?


Who knows. It's speculation the only thing we can see for certain is that Rosberg is comfortably the better driver in 2010. It also depends in which kind of environment they would have been set in. Without testing M Schumacher appears to fin it difficult to adapt. With testing we know he is willing to do nothing else in life and test 24/7, I think fee drivers take their profession so seriously. For raw pace, I think it would be a close call...in terms of mistakes I think Rosberg wins easily as he makes few if any.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 05:43

I don't think MGP's 'design problem' is as big as you make out; at least Nico Rosberg isn't too bothered by it.

Everyone in MGP form the director to the sporting director is saying that there is a major flaw in the design of Mercedes car this year. At the beginning of the season also Schumacher has criticized this year car and Rosberg did not. Also for a long period of time Rosberg was thinking that he could win a WDC with this car and that nothing major is wrong with it. So if this was the case why is he not in front? Who gave better judgment on the car pace?

#4548 slaveceru

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 05:46

Who knows. It's speculation the only thing we can see for certain is that Rosberg is comfortably the better driver in 2010. It also depends in which kind of environment they would have been set in. Without testing M Schumacher appears to fin it difficult to adapt. With testing we know he is willing to do nothing else in life and test 24/7, I think fee drivers take their profession so seriously. For raw pace, I think it would be a close call...in terms of mistakes I think Rosberg wins easily as he makes few if any.

:rotfl:

The time will tell. In each sport legend do eventually fall and they are beaten by younger guys who will have to prove that they are somethin special and I think Rosberg is not.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 07:53

He was also publicly testing for McLaren at least a year before he came back.


No he wasn't. I believe Lauda's first test in the Mclaren was in October of 81; testing in those days wasn;t anywhere near as intense as it is even now, with the in season ban.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 07:56

Hi Lifew12

I agree with what you say in general, and think it´s sensible.
But I would like you to explain this comment to me:

>>> I don't buy the 'three years out' excuse for one simple reason - he's no longer been away for three years. <<<

Do you think, that in any sport somebody can stop for 3 years, come back and be still at the top of their game? (without the possibility for training/testing)
That would rather surprise me.
Would it be resonable to think, that (as an example) Roger Federer stop playing tennis for 3 years, then come back only plays
10 matches (no training/testing) and goes on and wins a grand slam?



Not really a valid comparison, is it? I mean, Federer WOULD have 'training' and in terms of fitness we were assured last year that Michael was as fit as ever.

I don't think the comment needs 'explaining'; at the star of the season it was a passable excuse - Michael had been away for three years - but now it's not, as he hasn't. We can't go on excusing him for having been away for ever.