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#4801 Yorkie

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:05

I dont in regards to the media. For years theyve made a lot of money writing about him, speculating on his retirement as far back as 2004. When he did finally retire they had noone to write about. When he did announce his return nobody could mention enough how great it was to have a 7 times world champion back on the grid. Its disgusting to see some of the things some 'journos' write about him. A total lack of respect and manners imo.

He's underperforming, what do you expect?

Id say Shumis 2006 summer was as good as anyone's. He had 11 podiums, 7 wins. Ended the year with 124 points in 2nd place, 13 behind Alonso and had some sterling drives, like finishing 5th after starting 22nd at Monaco. If we look at Piquets last season....he had one lucky win because 5 cars ahead of him dropped out for various reasons. Also i dispute him being kicked out. His contract wasnt renewed, thats all. He wasnt shoved aside like Roberto Moreno when Schumacher took his place.

And Im not a die hard fan, or maybe I am. But compared to Rosberg Schumacher isnt doing badly, had some weekends when he made Rosberg look slow and while some races he underperformed, others he was unlucky to not score points. When he was racing Alonso once green flags were being shown at Monaco for instance.

Still, Piquet had 24 wins and 17 poles? Schumacher has 91 wins, 68 poles. Seven world titles, 5 of them won in a row. That oughta buy him some slack. And with Brawn as team boss, and the noises Haug makes apparently it does.

Piquet did better relative to MS than what MS is doing relative to Rosberg

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#4802 Lifew12

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:06

What is strange is tha assumption that people declare Senna 'a fair driver' and have 'forgotten' his unsportsmanlike behaviour. I haven't, and i doubt any who were watching f1 back then have either.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:26

Since Senna's bad behaviour has been mentioned by two posts on one page, it seems that not everyone has forgotten. Why should that be different for Schumacher?


And Fangio getting his teammate's car has also been mentioned over 50 years afterwards. :p

So no - Schumacher is not getting away with it after 50 years. IMO it could well be the other way around. In the late 90s and early 00s most parties involved were simply waxing lyrical about him being "head and shoulders above the rest" - or at least that was the party making undisputedly the most noise. From that point on, as his reputation goes, the direction has in fact been downhill and looking at his comeback the trend is bound to continue.

I think more neutral (and truthful) approach will prevail as time passes by - and in addition to statistics that includes taking more often into account not only his questionable driving antics but also the (in hindsight obvious) quality of his team and his personal status inside it, which during his active career were mostly perceived wrongly and/or just brushed off.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:35

Since Senna's bad behaviour has been mentioned by two posts on one page, it seems that not everyone has forgotten. Why should that be different for Schumacher?

This isn't a Senna thread so I'll keep this brief but this is exactly the point isn't it? Senna is NEVER mentioned without Fuji being thrown in there somewhere. If anyone wants to take a look at the brilliant Top Gear 15 minute segment on Senna, they will see that his spectacular car control is right there central to the piece, with a bit of Donnington footage but then there's Fuji and his willingness to crash just to make a point to the another driver (and the governing body) that HE was right.

Even Fangio is rarely mentioned without also a comment on the fact that he could take his teammates car when he wanted to because he had #1 status in the team.

Schumacher will be remembered for all of things we talk about here, warts and all, assuming history is written by those with a reasonably open mind. Why would anyone want to whitewash him into some sort of flawless being anyway? Isn't it his flaws which define him as well as his strengths?

edit: :lol: nice one with the Fangio thing Big Block 8!

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:38

Not strange, given that Michael had Senna as his hero. Remember Michael breaking down in the PC after he equalled Senna┬┤s record of 41 GP wins?


Yeah, but if the drivers are asked, about two thirds or more state Senna as their all-time favourite, not just Schumacher. Yet beside Schumacher I can only think of one other driver whose threads become so "sennaesque" frequently.

There must be a bit more to it... :cat:  ;)

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:42

... Senna is NEVER mentioned without Fuji ...


!Suzuka!

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:43

The difference with Senna was that he seemed to evolve as a driver. After Suzuka 1990 he didn't do anything dangerous and stupid like M Schumacher has done continuously throughout his career. If anybody can think of an incident after Suzuka 1990, please remind me.

Edited by man, 20 August 2010 - 08:45.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:49

!Suzuka!

;)

Yeah, sorry. I could go back and change it but that would be cowardly and shameful.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:52

The difference with Senna was that he seemed to evolve as a driver. After Suzuka 1990 he didn't do anything dangerous and stupid like M Schumacher has done continuously throughout his career. If anybody can think of an incident after Suzuka 1990, please remind me.


Shht!

In fact if you remove the Prost feud and some 50/50 tangles with Mansell in the earlier years there isn't much left of Senna's alleged dirtiness on track. But let's not elaborate, the MS fans have it hard enough these days...  ;)

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:53

The difference with Senna was that he seemed to evolve as a driver. After Suzuka 1990 he didn't do anything dangerous and stupid like M Schumacher has done continuously throughout his career. If anybody can think of an incident after Suzuka 1990, please remind me.


I think you mis the point. Senna was dangerous, and to defend that by saying 'yeah, but after such a date he didn't do anything...' is hopeful, at best. I watched his entire career, and have no doubt he would have done the same again had he felt the need to - that was simply him.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:57

I think you mis the point.

It's also pretty irrelevant to the discussion. Will Michael Schumacher's demerits be remembered as well as his successes? Yes, and we can see from the remembered (or half-remembered in my case!) history of Senna and Fangio that this is undoubtedly the case.

How these things get explained away or what filter is applied when viewing them will depend completely upon the writer, but I do not believe for one moment that Schumacher will only ever be a list of the largest numbers.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 09:00

Shht!
But let's not elaborate, the MS fans have it hard enough these days... ;)

Actually this days MS fans a just happy that he is here. Which you think is better: he driving or he not driving. For me is the first one. Maybe results are not great, but this depend from the angle you are watching. I can't wait for Spa even with 10 place penalty and hopeless car.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 09:02

I think you mis the point. Senna was dangerous, and to defend that by saying 'yeah, but after such a date he didn't do anything...' is hopeful, at best. I watched his entire career, and have no doubt he would have done the same again had he felt the need to - that was simply him.

Speculation Lifew12, but I tend to agree. He was ruthless but it was generally felt by fellow drivers that his disregard for others' safety was consistent with his disregard for his own. In my opinion he (Senna) needs to be singled out as the driver who lowered the code of honour in F1. Perhaps not remarkably, those drivers who idolise him tend to have similar lack of respect for driving etiquette.

Those who question Fangio's reputation only reveal their own lack of insight into how it was, as well as the huge regard his fellow drivers had for him. You only have to talk to Moss about JMF.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 09:02

Actually this days MS fans a just happy that he is here. Which you think is better: he driving or he not driving. For me is the first one. Maybe results are not great, but this depend from the angle you are watching. I can't wait for Spa even with 10 place penalty and hopeless car.


I find this attitude admirable - as a Newcastle United fan I admire anyone who keeps watching when the chips are down! However, in F1 I would rather see a great champion go out as a great champion.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 09:06

I find this attitude admirable - as a Newcastle United fan I admire anyone who keeps watching when the chips are down! However, in F1 I would rather see a great champion go out as a great champion.

Great champions need great car and great team around them. And yes, what Nico achieve is not exceptional for me. Because with great car even not great champions ,do remarkably well. See RBR guys.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 09:11

Great champions need great car and great team around them.


Well, yes, you're right, but what is being questioned more than anything - with regard to Michael this year - is his ability to adapt to a less than perfect car. So often in the past we've been told he was the ultimate car developer, the one man able to get the most out of an underperforming car, the man who brings a team together in perfect harmony and so on, and yet this year we are seeing none of that. His reputation on those counts is unravelling fast, and with good reason. Years of having dedicated test drivers pounding around Fiorano day, after day, after day to create the perfect Schumi-car are long gone, and what are we left with? A man who will always be one of the greatest drivers of all time - in my eyes at least - but one who is now lookign to be not quite all he was cracked up to be.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 09:11

Those who question Fangio's reputation

I'm one of 'those' who mentioned him and that's not what I did (or at least not what I intended). The point is not to discuss the incidents so much as show what history is remembered fifty years on. It was far from a balanced comment, I realise that, but then it wasn't a potted history.

#4818 ivand911

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 09:54

Well, yes, you're right, but what is being questioned more than anything - with regard to Michael this year - is his ability to adapt to a less than perfect car. So often in the past we've been told he was the ultimate car developer, the one man able to get the most out of an underperforming car, the man who brings a team together in perfect harmony and so on, and yet this year we are seeing none of that. His reputation on those counts is unravelling fast, and with good reason. Years of having dedicated test drivers pounding around Fiorano day, after day, after day to create the perfect Schumi-car are long gone, and what are we left with? A man who will always be one of the greatest drivers of all time - in my eyes at least - but one who is now lookign to be not quite all he was cracked up to be.

This could be said for Alonso too in 2008 and 2009? Do we know if Lewis is adaptable? Lucky for him and against every F1 logic, he didn't start with Minardi. As I said I would like to see them both in this year MGP car. And yes,they didn't miss 3 years.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:20

This could be said for Alonso too in 2008 and 2009?


Could it? Are you really sure? We may be in disagreement here as I would say that Alonso galvanised Renault in no small way in '08 and '09 and was not only adaptable but drove development of the car pretty aggressively.

Do we know if Lewis is adaptable?


Yes. I think, without any doubt, Hamilton is able to adapt very well. That's my opinion, from watching him in the last ten years.

Lucky for him and against every F1 logic, he didn't start with Minardi.


It's an interesting point you raise - neither did Michael! I think we'd both agree, however, that had either begun their career in a Minardi, they would still have risen through the ranks.

As I said I would like to see them both in this year MGP car. And yes,they didn't miss 3 years.


I'm not sure what that would prove, Ivan. You have a benchmark in this years MGP car - Rosberg.


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#4820 ivand911

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:30

Could it? Are you really sure? We may be in disagreement here as I would say that Alonso galvanised Renault in no small way in '08 and '09 and was not only adaptable but drove development of the car pretty aggressively.

And where this led him: 5th in 2008 and 9th in 2009. 9th remind me something.
I wanted to check them both against Nico ,not against Michael. This will be fear thing to do , all of them driving when tyres changed. They all know them well. Just MGP car will provide fun part.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:41

And where this led him: 5th in 2008 and 9th in 2009. 9th remind me something.


yes, but you are of the opinion that even great drivers need great cars; we both know that the Renault was no great car, yet Alonso did extract the maximum possible from it.

I wanted to check them both against Nico ,not against Michael. This will be fear thing to do , all of them driving when tyres changed. They all know them well. Just MGP car will provide fun part.


Interesting; what do you think the outcome would be? I think both Alonso and Hamilton would easily beat Rosberg.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:45

yes, but you are of the opinion that even great drivers need great cars; we both know that the Renault was no great car, yet Alonso did extract the maximum possible from it.



Interesting; what do you think the outcome would be? I think both Alonso and Hamilton would easily beat Rosberg.

I think will be not so easy for them. Maybe he could surprise them. Why you think they will beat him? Because they have chance and they drive fast car and he didn't? With car that you can't compare with Ferrari he is not long way from Alonso. And with car like Ferrari he could do very well, he is consistent, not making mistakes.

Edited by ivand911, 20 August 2010 - 10:46.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:46

I think will be not so easy for them. Maybe he could surprise them. Why you think they will beat him? Because they have chance and they drive fast car and he didn't?


Why do I think both Alonso and Hamilton would beat Rosberg in the same car? Because they are better drivers.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:48

Why do I think both Alonso and Hamilton would beat Rosberg in the same car? Because they are better drivers.

But now Vettel and Webber are better than them? And you can wait 10 minutes before answering me, because I make a lot of editing and cleaning mistakes. :) Define better drivers?

Edited by ivand911, 20 August 2010 - 10:51.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:50

But now Vettel and Webber are better than them?


I'm not sure why you come to that conclusion? We were talking about Rosberg, Michael, Alonso and Hamilton - Vettel and Webber didn't come into it.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:55

I think the conclusion may be based on current WDC positions rather than a considered view of driving styles.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:57

I'm not sure why you come to that conclusion? We were talking about Rosberg, Michael, Alonso and Hamilton - Vettel and Webber didn't come into it.

Check my last two posts again. You think they are better than Nico because they have better car, then RBR guys have to be better then Alonso and Lewis because they have car better then theirs.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:00

I think the conclusion may be based on current WDC positions rather than a considered view of driving styles.

You are maybe right, Nico was better driver than Alonso according 2009 WDC. Lewis was 5th best driver then too.

Edited by ivand911, 20 August 2010 - 11:01.


#4829 Lifew12

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:01

You think they are better than Nico because they have better car...


No, I think they are better drivers - I never mentioned anything about a better car.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:03

Interesting; what do you think the outcome would be? I think both Alonso and Hamilton would easily beat Rosberg.


The times when one driver has beaten his teammate easily are long gone. The difference between the drivers now days is smaller and there is no testing any more so even the top drivers can make mistakes in the set up of there cars as we have seen this year in F1 racing. I also think that both drivers would be better if Rosberg would drive in Ferrari or Mclaren but this does not necessarily mean that they could easily beat Rosberg in MPG does it?

Edited by slaveceru, 20 August 2010 - 11:05.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:07

The times when one driver has beaten his teammate easily are long gone. The difference between the drivers now days is smaller and there is no testing any more so even the top drivers can make mistakes in the set up of there cars as we have seen this year in F1 racing. I also think that both drivers would be better if Rosberg would drive in Ferrari or Mclaren but this does not necessarily mean that they would easily beat Rosberg in MPG does it?

As Berger said Nico is the same level where Vettel is. I think in good cars like McLaren or Ferrari Nico will perform better and will change victories with Alonso and Lewis. Look where is Button and Massa, I think Nico is clearly better than them.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:07

The times when one driver has beaten his teammate easily are long gone.


Nonsense. Some drivers are better than others - it's quite simple.

The difference between the drivers now days is smaller and there is no testing any more so even the top drivers can make mistakes in the set up of there cars as we have seen this year in F1 racing. I also think that both drivers would be better if Rosberg would drive in Ferrari or Mclaren but this does not necessarily mean that they could easily beat Rosberg in MPG does it?


I didn;t say it did 'mean' they could 'easily' beat Rosberg in the MPG; I said I thought they would, and when asked why, answered that I think they are better drivers.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:09

As Berger said Nico is the same level where Vettel is.


I don't happen to agree with that opinion of Berger's!

I think in good cars like McLaren or Ferrari Nico will perform better and will change victories with Alonso and Lewis. Look where is Button and Massa, I think Nico is clearly better than them.


fair enough; I don't think Nico Rosberg is anywhere close to being on a par with Alonso or Hamilton. We have a difference of opinion.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:18

I don't happen to agree with that opinion of Berger's!



fair enough; I don't think Nico Rosberg is anywhere close to being on a par with Alonso or Hamilton. We have a difference of opinion.

:) Of course. Looking how many mistakes did Alonso and Lewis this year, for me Nico with his consistence , qualy speed he could lead WDC now. What he did with this dog of car. He miss only one thing - good wining car. And I feel sorry for him because I think that in Spa even Petrov will beat him. Williams too. Other teams(S,FI) can too. Just because their cars will be better, not because all drivers there are better than Nico. Michael will have nice fight with Jaime again. :wave: Hope I am wrong.

Edited by ivand911, 20 August 2010 - 11:22.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:37

From Autosport plus:

Average driver ratings 2010
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5 Nico Rosberg 7.75
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23 Michael Schuamcher 5.66
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Ouch! This must hurt even more:

there are some individuals in senior positions within the team who are frustrated at not knowing whether the Merc is a mediocre midfielder that Rosberg is extracting the best out of, or whether there is more to come.



#4836 slaveceru

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:39

Nonsense. Some drivers are better than others - it's quite simple.


No it is not as simple as you say here. These two drivers are better because they have the results which are largely dependent on the cars that they drove. Till now they are better what the future will bring us we do not know. There is a slight possibility that Rosbeg will also win his two WDC and suddenly he will become one of the best drivers on the grid.



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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:00

.....but I do not believe for one moment that Schumacher will only ever be a list of the largest numbers.


He will be remembered as a list of the largest numbers indeed, the largest numbers of professional fouls included.  ;)


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:02

:) Of course. Looking how many mistakes did Alonso and Lewis this year,


I never thought it would come to this, but huh? What "many" mistakes did Hamilton make this year? At a stretch, one could count his poor Adelaide qualy, but that's about it, I think (and easily balanced against Rosbergs off in Malaysia, handing Button the lead).

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:04

Great champions need great car and great team around them. And yes, what Nico achieve is not exceptional for me. Because with great car even not great champions ,do remarkably well. See RBR guys.


Which is exactly the point of a discussion earlier in this thread: when having this great car and great team around him, Schumacher was great himself.
But, as you say, "because with great car even not great champions do remarkably well", there is a possibility that Schumacher was never that great himself to begin with...


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:05

No it is not as simple as you say here. These two drivers are better because they have the results which are largely dependent on the cars that they drove. Till now they are better what the future will bring us we do not know. There is a slight possibility that Rosbeg will also win his two WDC and suddenly he will become one of the best drivers on the grid.


I'm not denying that there is a possibility of Rosberg getting a championship winning car and taking a title, but your assertion that 'suddenly he will become one of teh best drivers on teh gird' because of it is rather odd. We all know that a great deal of a drivers success comes from the machinery he is given, but is anyone seriously suggesting that jenson Button 'suddenly' became one of the best last year, or Webber - likewise - this?

It follows that drivers get top drives because they are considered worthy by the teams concerned; despite the belief of many that Hamilton, for instance, was always destined for an F1 drive with McLaren he wouldn't have got one if he'd been crap in the lower formulae. Alonso was a hot property on the lowere rungs of the ladder, too, and then there's michael hiself who was seen to be good enough to be fought over for a contract after one race in which he completed a few yards!

There are, no matter how you dress it up, drivers who are better than others; always have been, and always will be.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:15

:) Of course. Looking how many mistakes did Alonso and Lewis this year, for me Nico with his consistence , qualy speed he could lead WDC now.


How has this all of a sudden become a Rosberg - Alonso - Hamilton thread, with Nico coming out on top of the two best drivers in F1 today?
Another veiled attempt to paint Michael in a better light?  ;)


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:22

But, as you say, "because with great car even not great champions do remarkably well", there is a possibility that Schumacher was never that great himself to begin with...

More like Hill, Button. We speak about Nico ,because the poor guy don't have his own thread. But you can start one for him.

Edited by ivand911, 20 August 2010 - 12:25.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:42

Which is exactly the point of a discussion earlier in this thread: when having this great car and great team around him, Schumacher was great himself.
But, as you say, "because with great car even not great champions do remarkably well", there is a possibility that Schumacher was never that great himself to begin with...



There lies the problem ...

His fans do not want that to figure in the debate at all .. on any level !

But there you go.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:44

More like Hill, Button. We speak about Nico ,because the poor guy don't have his own thread. But you can start one for him.


So having your own thread counts as a measure of greatness!

For me it counts as a measure of being involved in the biggest and most number of controversies.. And of the dubious distinction of having the most rabid fans.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:46

That's because it's rubbish. There's no doubt that he's great, the question is what made him that way. If his one and only great skill was to galvanise a team around him and make him their focus to the exclusion of all others, that is still noteworthy and maybe a technique the younger generation should learn. Even taking away half of his championships makes him one of the best ever.

The difficulty is that those who knew and know him best will all tell you he is amazing on the circuit too. You can't be a bit shit and make a four-pitstop strategy work.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:50

And of the dubious distinction of having the most rabid fans.

and the blindest haters ;)

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:54

I am just enjoying 1998 Hungary: Race - Ch9 ITV. What were you saying? If someone doubt Michael I can recommend him 91 race he wouldn't want to miss. In this race I see things everyone here are accusing him. :rotfl:

Edited by ivand911, 20 August 2010 - 12:56.


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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:56

I'm not denying that there is a possibility of Rosberg getting a championship winning car and taking a title, but your assertion that 'suddenly he will become one of teh best drivers on teh gird' because of it is rather odd. We all know that a great deal of a drivers success comes from the machinery he is given, but is anyone seriously suggesting that jenson Button 'suddenly' became one of the best last year, or Webber - likewise - this?


First of all Button does not have 2 WDC and Webber is not in the group of WDC winners at all. Were did I said that there are no difference between the drivers in F1 but you have said that Rosberg would be easily beaten by Alonso and Hamilton and I argue against it.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 13:18

First of all Button does not have 2 WDC and Webber is not in the group of WDC winners at all.


I'm well aware of that.

Were did I said that there are no difference between the drivers in F1


You didn't, and I never said you did. What you did say was that the days when drivers beat their team mates easily are gone, and I disagree. Some drivers are better than others.

but you have said that Rosberg would be easily beaten by Alonso and Hamilton and I argue against it.


You're entitled to argue about it; I said I think Rosberg would be beaten by Alonso or Hamilton - I didn't say 'easily' at all as it may well be a great battle - because I think those two are better drivers.



#4850 JackTorrance

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 13:53

Aaaah, of course - you mean BRITISH journo's! I forgot it was only BRITISH journo's who dare to write anything denigrating about your hero! Of course, the German journo's are all banging on about how good he is, aren't they, despite him being comprehensively trounced by a countryman with less than half his experience?

A blog - by its very nature - is the opinion of the writer; blogs don't tend to rely on the facts, they offer a personal insight and attitude. If, of course, you think that nobody can possibly say anything nasty about Michael Schumacher because he has won seven world titles and 91 GP's then that's fair enough - I am sure there will be blogs out there that suit your needs. If not, start one yourself - it's free! Me, as an interested reader, I can clearly see that Michael coming back and looking, frequently, awful is something that has to be reported. I would rather read 'Michael was beaten by Rosberg again' etc than 'Michael Schumacher, seven times world champion and 91 race winner, put in a tremendous performance from 14th on the grid and was absolutely the class of the field to finish 9th' wouldn't you?

Has it crossed your mind that not everyone worships him the way you do?


I never said I want everyone to worship Shumi. Im just saying the lack of respect and denigrating comments made by those blogs are not doing him any justice. Its also not fair, as there are lots of other drivers scoring just as badly vs teammates who are not slammed with ridiculous comments like: please, retire! Heikki vs lewis for instance. Kubica vs Petrov. Liuzzi vs Alguersuari. These bloghjournos are only 'offering their insights' on Shumi because it sells.

1. Michael isnt doing that badly

2. Michael should be entitled to some respect.

If you look to the race results, i only see 2 races where Michael really underperformed; Silverstone and China. The other races he got wrong strategies, got bad luck or finished real close to Rosberg.