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#5251 Massacrator

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 18:21

And I thought the idea of racing was to overtake! That's is ridiculous!

If racing was to overtake the WDC would be awarded by overtakes, not by finish points.

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#5252 DarthRonzo

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 18:21

I think the problem with Vettel is that he always, no matter if he win or loose, shows some traits of arrogance, cockiness and most of the times he is a bad looser. But despite that, at least to me, he looks like a nice kid in interviews and off camera stuff. He will be a likeable guy in the coming years when he grow up a little.

Maybe the difference among self-confidence and arrogance/cockiness is the goodwill of the listener towards the speacher.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 18:24

Maybe the difference among self-confidence and arrogance/cockiness is the goodwill of the listener towards the speacher.

It is in a lot of cases, but I don't think that goes for Vettel...

#5254 naiboz

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 18:24

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classic :D

#5255 gaston_foix

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 18:25

Im far from being an Alonso fan -

This guy can possibly win the championship due to his incredible LUCK .... I predict the RED BULLS will have both mechanical gremlins
in these remaining races , and thus to incredible circumstances Alonso will unfortunately win the title by a hair ....

I hope I'm very wrong -


Can you be more specific?

#5256 showtime

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 18:25

And I thought the idea of racing was to overtake! That's is ridiculous!


The idea is completing all the laps before the rest. In any case the idea would be to overtake, make stupid attempts that finish with you out of the race is far from the idea of racing.

#5257 7timesbetterthantherest

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 18:28

Can you be more specific?


suzuka and brazil 2006 :)

#5258 showtime

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 18:30

suzuka and brazil 2006 :)


Monza and Hungary 2006? :rolleyes:

#5259 gaston_foix

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 18:38

Monza and Hungary 2006? :rolleyes:


And what matters if he had bad luck too. @7timesbetterthantherest was referring only to the "LUCK" side of the problem. :D

Edited by gaston_foix, 23 October 2010 - 18:38.


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#5260 7timesbetterthantherest

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 18:39

Monza and Hungary 2006? :rolleyes:



that does'nt count -

#5261 Smile17

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 18:42

Alonso hasn't been very lucky this year, hope the luck will be finally on his side the last 3 races.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 08:57

There was a bit of luck in it, as shown in Fernando's propensity to have his closest competitors' engines explode whenever he goes near them. Nevertheless he continues his ominous streak of podiums. Podium watch says 1-2-Ret-1-1-3-1. Championship favorite, definitely.

#5263 DILLIGAF

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 08:59

Well done Alonso!! If Webber can't win the title i sure hope Fred does. :up:

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:03

Alonso magnificent. I will never again doubt his wet weather ability and here he was just perfect.
This race was like a dream for him, better it couldn't have gone.
Now the task is simple: go to Brazil and win and the WDC is pretty much his.

#5265 JackTorrance

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:24

Annihilated everybody....well done fernando!!

#5266 velgajski1

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:26

Great drive by Alonso today! His engine problems could be costly in the end, its gonna be very interesting.

#5267 portago

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:31

Alonso was magnificent today. It is clear how and why he won his two WDCs against MS. The only other driver that can equal his talent is arguably Hamilton, and he beat him after the Ferrari mechanic could not find one of his nuts :lol:



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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:35

Luck = taking care of every detail.

Alonso is very lucky indeed. 3 different teams, a championship contender until the last race in every single one.



#5269 ViMaMo

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:37

Damn power cut !!!
Anyway Alonso :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

#5270 JKTRacing

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:38

Luck = taking care of every detail.

Alonso is very lucky indeed. 3 different teams, a championship contender until the last race in every single one.



Forgot to add, none of the 3 teams had the strongest car :up:

#5271 AlanWake

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:39

Great flawless drive from Alonso! :up:

After Spa, Fernando was 41 points behind the WDC leader, and now after 4 races he leads the WDC! I can't believe it!

He never gives up, and for that reason I love him!

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:42

Forgot to add, none of the 3 teams had the strongest car :up:


Renault 2005. was indeed strongest car by far.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:43

Superb performance today from Alonso. From my experience, F1 is never more entertaining when there is serious inter-team rivalry. I wish bernie could work some of his magic and try to get Alonso and Hamilton in the same team again. These two are head and shoulders above the rest of the competitors.

#5274 UPz

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:43

Fantastic race. Smart drive, brilliant sunday for Fernando.
never gives up, +Grande

#5275 AlanWake

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:45

Renault 2005. was indeed strongest car by far.


Indeed, but the R25 wasn't a dominant car at all because the MP4-20 was by far the fastest car on the grid.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:48

What a great race by Alonso!
Sometimes i have the feelling that we have the luck to watch the greatest driver of all time!

+Grande

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:49

German GP 1st
Hungarian GP 2nd
Belgian GP DNF
Italian GP 1st
Singapore GP 1st
Japan GP 3rd
Korean GP 1st


5 wins, 2 poles, 5 fastest laps, 9 podiums, 1 grand chelem.

Everything with really bud luck at the first part of the championship, own mistakes, engine problems, Ferrari mistakes and some questionable decisions by the stewards.


Ferrari and Alonso are owning the second half of the championship with a car far from the best.

Edited by kosmos, 24 October 2010 - 09:50.


#5278 velgajski1

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:49

Indeed, but the R25 wasn't a dominant car at all because the MP4-20 was by far the fastest car on the grid.


I've had this discussions too many time. It's the most dominant car of post-MS era in my opinion. Another thing to mention is that MP4-20 had huge problems with tyres in first 5 races of the season, so it wasn't even second fastest at start of season. Plus, MP4-20 had some of most legendary unreliability issues I've ever seen in F1 and could by no means be called anywhere near best.

What Vettel is going through this season is childs play to what Kimi was going in 2005. with MP4-20.

Edited by velgajski1, 24 October 2010 - 09:50.


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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:50

Fernando 'Lucky F**ker' Alonso.



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#5280 JKTRacing

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:52

Indeed, but the R25 wasn't a dominant car at all because the MP4-20 was by far the fastest car on the grid.


:up:

Alonso is lucky every year! I mean its always him that spins/crashes/gets car failures while everyone else loses points because of off track decisions by the FIA..

/sarcasm off

#5281 motorhead

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:53

Forgot to add, none of the 3 teams had the strongest car :up:


You really think so? He´s second in statistics for driver errors, but still in a fight for WDC.

Edited by motorhead, 24 October 2010 - 09:55.


#5282 AlanWake

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:56

I've had this discussions too many time. It's the most dominant car of post-MS era in my opinion. Another thing to mention is that MP4-20 had huge problems with tyres in first 5 races of the season, so it wasn't even second fastest at start of season. Plus, MP4-20 had some of most legendary unreliability issues I've ever seen in F1 and could by no means be called anywhere near best.

What Vettel is going through this season is childs play to what Kimi was going in 2005. with MP4-20.


The most dominant car of post-MS era? You must be joking :well:
The F2008 and specially the Brawn and the RB6 are easily the most dominant cars after the F2004.

Edited by AlanWake, 24 October 2010 - 09:56.


#5283 gramsy1977

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:57

Grande Alonso. The guy is relentless.

#5284 gaston_foix

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:58

You really think so? He´s second in statistics for driver errors, but still in a fight for WDC.

The mistakes were not so costly. He has recovered a lot of points in those races...

Edited by gaston_foix, 24 October 2010 - 09:59.


#5285 showtime

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:59

two f***ing weeks... time machine anyone?

#5286 ensign14

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:00

Luck = taking care of every detail.

Yes, like team-mates.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:00

You really think so? He´s second in statistics for driver errors, but still in a fight for WDC.


Yes I think so, and so does everyone else that knows about F1 (ask any other F1 driver)

Yes, like team-mates.


Yes! and other things like reliability, risk management, strategy you know, other "small things" that are somehow important

Edited by JKTRacing, 24 October 2010 - 10:03.


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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:01

You really think so? He´s second in statistics for driver errors, but still in a fight for WDC.

who made that statistics, and what is counted as alonsos mistakes this year in that statistics, can you show them?

Edited by simba, 24 October 2010 - 10:01.


#5289 motorhead

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:01

German GP 1st
Hungarian GP 2nd
Belgian GP DNF
Italian GP 1st
Singapore GP 1st
Japan GP 3rd
Korean GP 1st


5 wins, 2 poles, 5 fastest laps, 9 podiums, 1 grand chelem.

Everything with really bud luck at the first part of the championship, own mistakes, engine problems, Ferrari mistakes and some questionable decisions by the stewards.


Ferrari and Alonso are owning the second half of the championship with a car far from the best.


Germany :wave: ...oh sorry wasn´t it Massa who was leading Alonso before something happened.
the Scuderia Ferrari is the best car becouse of it´s reliability and speed compined

#5290 AlanWake

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:04

Fernando 'Lucky F**ker' Alonso.


He and Ferarri deserved the win IMO.

After a bad pit stop, Alonso lost a place to Hamilton (not his fault), but Hamilton made a mistake under pressure and lost a certain win. I would be kicking myself if I was Hamilton.

You say such stupid things because you hate Alonso and you love Hamilton, as simple as that.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:05

The most dominant car of post-MS era? You must be joking :well:
The F2008 and specially the Brawn and the RB6 are easily the most dominant cars after the F2004.


My opinion is different.

I think that F2008 wasn't more dominant in any chance (heck, it didn't even win the WDC title). RB6 also not by chance because its too unreliable (it lost over 60 points just for Vettel due to reliability) and it has consistently bad starts which I doubt it can be blamed all on drivers + race pace wise Ferrari and McLaren are faster or on pace in most of races.

BGP - maybe, but thats just maybe.

How I see it is this:
1. F2008 didn't even win WDC title with 2 very good drivers, so how can it be dominant?
2. BGP - do you really think that superb driver like Alonso in RBR for example wouldn't at least make it look tight last season?

On the other hand - do you think it was even theoretically possible to win title with MP4-20? Even if Kimi didn't make any mistakes in season (and his only mistake were flatspot in Nurburing IIRC + another mistake in Monaco which didn't cost him any points in the end).

Edited by velgajski1, 24 October 2010 - 10:06.


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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:06

Renault 2005. was indeed strongest car by far.


I've had this discussions too many time. It's the most dominant car of post-MS era in my opinion. Another thing to mention is that MP4-20 had huge problems with tyres in first 5 races of the season, so it wasn't even second fastest at start of season. Plus, MP4-20 had some of most legendary unreliability issues I've ever seen in F1 and could by no means be called anywhere near best.


Oh yeah that would explain why Kimi scored 7 wins and 4 podiums in the rest of the 14 races. (After Spanish GP )
And Alonso drove slower in his dominant R25, to win the championship. 4 wins and 7 podiums. (After Spanish GP)

Brilliant deduction !!!!
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Here is my take, Kimi lost the championship in the first 4 races. Alonso did the best job of hanging on to the lead for the rest of the 14 races while Kimi's challenge fell apart (European GP, Italian GP). The R25 didnt have the pace to match the Mp4-20. If Mclaren had got things right from the start, Alonso might have not won the championship.

Edited by vivian, 24 October 2010 - 10:18.


#5293 simba

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:06

the Scuderia Ferrari is the best car becouse of it´s reliability and speed compined

on every track or just on one or two this season?
start to differentiate

#5294 AlanWake

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:09

On the other hand - do you think it was even theoretically possible to win title with MP4-20? Even if Kimi didn't make any mistakes in season (and his only mistake were flatspot in Nurburing IIRC + another mistake in Monaco which didn't cost him any points in the end).


Montoya didn't suffer the reliability problems of Kimi.

#5295 JKTRacing

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:13

Anyway, moving on from 2005..


Can the title be decided in Brazil?

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:16

He and Ferarri deserved the win IMO.

After a bad pit stop, Alonso lost a place to Hamilton (not his fault), but Hamilton made a mistake under pressure and lost a certain win. I would be kicking myself if I was Hamilton.

You say such stupid things because you hate Alonso and you love Hamilton, as simple as that.

No, McLaren didn't have grip on restarts, and Fernando would have had him in the closing laps anyway. You have proved how biased you are.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:18

Montoya didn't suffer the reliability problems of Kimi.


But Montoya also wasn't nearly as fast as Kimi in most races - often he was 0.5-1.0s slower than Kimi. Kimi is a great driver, but I don't he has 0.5s on Montoya. My point is - McLaren gambled with Kimi in 2005. similar like RBR is doing with Vettel and I'd bet that it has something to do with Newey designing both cars. Had McLaren played conservatively, they'd be solidly second car but with not even taking so many victories.

#5298 gaston_foix

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:26

He and Ferarri deserved the win IMO.

After a bad pit stop, Alonso lost a place to Hamilton (not his fault), but Hamilton made a mistake under pressure and lost a certain win. I would be kicking myself if I was Hamilton.

You say such stupid things because you hate Alonso and you love Hamilton, as simple as that.


Everyone's tyres were shot in pieces just before the end, except for ALonso. Alonso would have overtook Hammy anyway. The big question is, how the RedBulls tyres would have hold...

Edited by gaston_foix, 24 October 2010 - 10:26.


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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:29

No, McLaren didn't have grip on restarts, and Fernando would have had him in the closing laps anyway. You have proved how biased you are.


I am not biased, I respect Hamilton as a racing driver and I love how he drives.. :love:

IMO Hamilton could have defended his position better than he did even if his car was slower than the Ferrari. Look at Singapore this year, for instance, where Alonso beat Vettel with a slower car.

Edited by AlanWake, 24 October 2010 - 10:30.


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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:32

But Montoya also wasn't nearly as fast as Kimi in most races - often he was 0.5-1.0s slower than Kimi. Kimi is a great driver, but I don't he has 0.5s on Montoya. My point is - McLaren gambled with Kimi in 2005. similar like RBR is doing with Vettel and I'd bet that it has something to do with Newey designing both cars. Had McLaren played conservatively, they'd be solidly second car but with not even taking so many victories.


Fair enough :up: