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#9651 Hole

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 00:52

I'm starting to feel worried as Alonso doesn't stop saying that he's willing to take risks and that if he sees a chance to win he'll take it without hesitasion. I really hope that tomorrow after the race I'm able to come back here and say how nice was his race.
http://www.lasextade...a_pensar/382053


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#9652 AlanWake

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 08:16

Well, what kind of driving is this???

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
I don't know whether to laugh or cry


I don't see nothing wrong in these videos.

In the first video, Alonso believed Schumi was going to let him to pass but suddenly Schumi closed the door and Alonso had to brake to avoid a crash. We should not be surprised to see this move from someone like Schumi.

In the second video, it was clean racing, agressive, but clean at the end. It was great to watch :up: Yes, this is a simple FP, but a bit a fun in Fps isn't bad, right? :)

#9653 YellowHelmet

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 08:22

There is nothing wrong in those videos, just a great alonso-show, without hurting others :up:

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 08:27

I'm starting to feel worried as Alonso doesn't stop saying that he's willing to take risks and that if he sees a chance to win he'll take it without hesitasion. I really hope that tomorrow after the race I'm able to come back here and say how nice was his race.
http://www.lasextade...a_pensar/382053


He has nothing to lose, right? Actually, I would be worried and incredibly dissapointed if he said otherwise.

#9655 YellowHelmet

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 08:30

He has nothing to lose, right? Actually, I would be worried and incredibly dissapointed if he said otherwise.

:up:

No concetration on championship anymore,
just for race wins, if not, who cares.
And if in the end we can get the championship, okay, if not, next year.

But yes: Alonso has to take risks and he will do fine.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 08:39

He has nothing to lose, right? Actually, I would be worried and incredibly dissapointed if he said otherwise.


I disagree. I would rather Alonso finish 3rd with less risks than take a silly risk and crash out. 0 points is no good for anyone.

It looks like being a very cold and wettish race. I think we'll be doing well to get on the podium. In both Canada and Silverstone Alonso/Ferrari struggled in the wet, let's hope it goes a bit better here.

#9657 Bernoulli

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 08:50

I disagree. Alonso has to take risks and usurp RB in whatever ways possible. It's the Ferrari way

#9658 topical

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:02

I disagree. Alonso has to take risks and usurp RB in whatever ways possible. It's the Ferrari way


Really? Alonso has always been the one who says that consistency is the key to winning championships and he's right. Sadly his chances and next to nil this year but I still don't see that as a reason to start doing do or die moves. Look how they've worked out for Hamilton this year - not very well.

#9659 MortenF1

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:04

There is nothing wrong in those videos, just a great alonso-show, without hurting others :up:

:rotfl:

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#9660 YellowHelmet

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:27

:rotfl:

what is so funny, he was racing clean, without crashing into others :up:

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:36

Really? Alonso has always been the one who says that consistency is the key to winning championships and he's right. Sadly his chances and next to nil this year but I still don't see that as a reason to start doing do or die moves. Look how they've worked out for Hamilton this year - not very well.


As you say , the WDC is gone. Don't care what drivers and teams say to keep interests up, bar anything realy bad happening to SV, it's over. And he will have deserved it, just like any other WDC before.

So the attention switches from the title to individual race wins, and there it's no use playing any sort of percentage game, it's just going for it at the slightest chance.

Plus, I'm pretty sure the underlying reason for Alonso talk about risks is to try and unsettle the RB guys, so that, maybe, they'll be a bit overcautious if he comes along. May work or not, but it certainly can't hurt. I think one has to separate the talk form the action here.

#9662 YellowHelmet

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:39

Plus, I'm pretty sure the underlying reason for Alonso talk about risks is to try and unsettle the RB guys, so that, maybe, they'll be a bit overcautious if he comes along. May work or not, but it certainly can't hurt. I think one has to separate the talk form the action here.

sure, the mind games are pretty obvious in that part of the season.

#9663 prty

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:42

:rotfl:


Great argument.

Schumacher was going slowly and was shown blue flags, it wasn't exactly crazy to think he would let him pass, as it's a FP. Instead Schumacher pulled a Coulthard.

Then he was faster than Petrov, and when he passed him at the end of the straight, Petrov went racy. Nothing wrong with that, but when Alonso went racy too, there's nothing wrong with that either.

#9664 EdwardCullen

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:06

Great argument.

Schumacher was going slowly and was shown blue flags, it wasn't exactly crazy to think he would let him pass, as it's a FP. Instead Schumacher pulled a Coulthard.

Then he was faster than Petrov, and when he passed him at the end of the straight, Petrov went racy. Nothing wrong with that, but when Alonso went racy too, there's nothing wrong with that either.

There are no blue flags in Free practice
You are not obliged to move over for any one!

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:12

There are no blue flags in Free practice
You are not obliged to move over for any one!


Well, from that it doesn't follow that you have to play stupid games if a faster car is coming up behind you. But hey, it's the only way MS can fight with the big guns these days, so let him be... :)

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:17

Oh FFS, are we really hailing Alonso because he's actually not hurting anyone while running half-asleep apparently, in free practice?! That incident with Schumacher, what the hell is he doing?

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:23

It's today a case of make it or break it?, glorious podium or DNF?. Fernando is gonna take the gamble at the start according to Marc Gene, let's hope it pay off.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:25

It's today a case of make it or break it?, glorious podium or DNF?. Fernando is gonna take the gamble at the start according to Marc Gene, let's hope it pay off.


What does that mean?

#9669 kosmos

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:29

Maybe gamble is not the word, he is gonna take some risks I mean.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:31

Oh FFS, are we really hailing Alonso because he's actually not hurting anyone while running half-asleep apparently, in free practice?! That incident with Schumacher, what the hell is he doing?


Trying to get by a slower lapping car, until the driver of that car decides to make it difficult by braking extra-late instead of just letting him so that both can get on with their jobs.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:34

There are no blue flags in Free practice
You are not obliged to move over for any one!


In the video you can clearly see that there were. That they are not required to be respected is another thing, but Schumacher did know there was a faster car coming, and decided to make it difficult.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:38

Maybe gamble is not the word, he is gonna take some risks I mean.


Ah sorry, i thought he was talking about tyres or some wet setup.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:39

In the video you can clearly see that there were. That they are not required to be respected is another thing, but Schumacher did know there was a faster car coming, and decided to make it difficult.

so if there is no rule, why would he need to bent over??
i dont see any problem with what he did! If he has every right to hold his position then he should!
Its upto the person who is overtaking to find his way past, not the one in front.

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#9674 YellowHelmet

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:40

so if there is no rule, why would he need to bent over??
i dont see any problem with what he did! If he has every right to hold his position then he should!

nobody is complaining!

#9675 EdwardCullen

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:43

nobody is complaining!

just look few posts above and also the page before

#9676 YellowHelmet

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:44

just look few posts above and also the page before

there are no complaints, just explanations why alonso had to do what he did.

#9677 as65p

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:45

nobody is complaining!


Especially not Alonso himself, I reckon he's quite aware what he's dealing with here. :)

#9678 EdwardCullen

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:53

there are no complaints, just explanations why alonso had to do what he did.

likewise
there are no complaints, just explanations why Schumy had to do what he did.

#9679 as65p

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:01

So we're all buddies again? Nice. :p

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#9680 fnz

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:26

FA showing one of his card tricks on BBC1. He looks relaxed

#9681 Kvothe

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:27

FA showing one of his card tricks on BBC1. He looks relaxed


:up: Yep pretty cool.

#9682 MichaelPM

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:45

I think when Alonso says he will take risks it means something like trying slicks earlier than other people in a damp race, not that he will adopt Hamilton's kamikaze overtaking style. He doesn't have the luck of other drivers to get away with it.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:54

It will be impossible for Ferrari: they won't be able to get heat into the inters or slicks... :(

#9684 YellowHelmet

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:57

Alooonso, Alooonso, Alooonso!

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:47

Very good result under those temperatures.
Maybe he should have been more aggresive with lewis, as lewis was with webber, but nevertheless it was good.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:51

Very good race, I wonder if the fuel consumption was a problem at any point. Anyway, totaly deserved victory for Lewis. Let's hope the next week the temperature is higher.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:58

Monaco - 2nd
Canada - Button took him out
Valencia - 2nd
GB - 1st
Germany - 2nd



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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:59

I hope that he is only fined for jumping into Webber's car; seriously, drivers should know what is allowed and what's forbidden, and you should not risk a penalty for such silly things (as doing doughnuts); if it is forbidden, it is forbidden. And if it is not considered serious enough as to deserve a penalty, then scrape the rule from the rule book.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:08

I hope that he is only fined for jumping into Webber's car; seriously, drivers should know what is allowed and what's forbidden, and you should not risk a penalty for such silly things (as doing doughnuts); if it is forbidden, it is forbidden. And if it is not considered serious enough as to deserve a penalty, then scrape the rule from the rule book.

if he gets somekind of penalty, he'll probably have to pay some money.
i wonder which is better - to be massivly late to podium ceremony or to have a little ride with Webber?

#9690 MichaelPM

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:10

if he gets somekind of penalty, he'll probably have to pay some money.
i wonder which is better - to be massivly late to podium ceremony or to have a little ride with Webber?

I think Bernie will be happy to pay the fine rather then having a driver miss the podium.


Last race he drives the 375F1, this race he's riding the RB7... Lucky S.O.B. :lol:

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:27

I think Bernie will be happy to pay the fine rather then having a driver miss the podium.


Last race he drives the 375F1, this race he's riding the RB7... Lucky S.O.B. :lol:


Just watch for Bernie requesting to make a rule about it. "Every driver that is out of fuel, must ride back to the pits in the sidepod of a competitor car"

I bet his eyes turned into $ $ when he saw Alonso do that today.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:44

Monaco - 2nd
Canada - Button took him out
Valencia - 2nd
GB - 1st
Germany - 2nd


It's such a shame that the car was so poor the first 4-5 races because Alonso is on the sort of form that wins championships. Unfortunately Vettel has such a big lead that, like Jenson in 2009, he can afford to have off days and still maintain a massive cushion. But if Ferrari and Alonso keep this up they must have a good chance to fight for 2nd in the WDC.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:55

Excellent result for Alonso - I was disappointed to see Hamilton get him after the pits, but I don't think that Alonso had the speed (especially obvious from the overhead shot) with cold tyres and less speed from the pitlane.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 15:07

Great drive again from Alonso today. It has been clear in the last two races why Alonso and Hamilton are regarded as the best in the field, fantastic driving from the both of them.

#9695 ZooL

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 15:15

Too many mistakes creeping in again. He would have won today without his costly errors.

#9696 YellowHelmet

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 15:16

Too many mistakes creeping in again. He would have won today without his costly errors.

errors?

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 15:31

Great job Nando!

Riding a Bull to the podium ''priceless''

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 15:32

I only saw three non-critical errors. He went wide and Vettel slipped past. The next lap he went wide again on the same spot. He took that position back from Vettel a few laps later. He went a little wide again after the third stop, but that's all. So yeah, he wasn't flawless, but nothing that cost him a position or points.




#9699 Hole

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 15:34

Too many mistakes creeping in again. He would have won today without his costly errors.


I really hope you are joking. He made two noticeable errors, one where he left the track and allowed Vettel to pass him. But he re-fixed it by overtaking Vettel again.

And then we got the part where he left pits, in a car that do not heat the tires really nice and with new brand tires. Even if he had left pits perfectly positioned, Hamilton would have overtaken him anyway due the tires.

So I don't know how Alonso lost the race with costly mistakes.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 15:34

Monaco - 2nd
Canada - Button took him out
Valencia - 2nd
GB - 1st
Germany - 2nd

He took himself out, if Button took him out he would have got a penalty for it. You Ferrari fans should know that anything against Ferrari gets penalised. But you guys always are blind to the reality!