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#11151 Kvothe

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 19:35

From HERE


Good points, although i wonder how many people thought MSCH was still in his prime in 05 or 06 or had the car to fight him in 05.

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#11152 YellowHelmet

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 19:36

Good points, although i wonder how many people thought MSCH was still in his prime in 05 or 06 or had the car to fight him in 05.

almost everybody. :eek:
in 05 he hadnt the car, but in 06 an even better car than Alonso.

#11153 Kvothe

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 19:41

almost everybody. :eek:
in 05 he hadnt the car, but in 06 an even better car than Alonso.


Really? I would have thought most people would have picked 97-2003.
In 06 Michael only had the better car after the FIA intervention, and tbf didn't he lose the championship with the engine blowout in Japan was it?

Edited by Kvothe, 22 October 2011 - 19:42.


#11154 YellowHelmet

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 19:50

Really? I would have thought most people would have picked 97-2003.

most experts call the year 2006 as the one of him being at the peak.

In 06 Michael only had the better car after the FIA intervention, and tbf didn't he lose the championship with the engine blowout in Japan was it?

alonso had one too, two races before that in monza


#11155 Kvothe

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 19:58

most experts call the year 2006 as the one of him being at the peak.


alonso had one too, two races before that in monza


Fair enough,

Also my knowledge pre 2007 is limited by the races i've been able to watch. So i'll take your 2006 at face value unless a better argument is presented.

Edited by Kvothe, 22 October 2011 - 19:58.


#11156 YellowHelmet

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 20:07

Fair enough,

Also my knowledge pre 2007 is limited by the races i've been able to watch. So i'll take your 2006 at face value unless a better argument is presented.

in 2006 the fia tried to stop alonso several times, with no success.
first they have forbidden the mass damper, than they have penalised alonso for allegedly disturbing massa in quali of monza with a grid penalty.
+ in the race his engine blew up (he was third at that moment).

Edited by YellowHelmet, 22 October 2011 - 21:59.


#11157 AirWebber

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 21:05

Maybe Alonso is disapointed with the results of RB wing in his car, but they had to try it for lighten up their conciousness.

They tried everything, for sure... for sure.

I support it as a valid effort, they had to do it :up:

#11158 jj2728

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 23:49

"I quit, I quit".......that's enough for me.......dump Alonso......and do it quick.

#11159 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 00:04

"I quit, I quit".......that's enough for me.......dump Alonso......and do it quick.


What are you talking about? Who said that, and when?

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#11160 fabr68

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 00:14

"I quit, I quit".......


Please do. At least from this thread.

#11161 Nitropower

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 00:33

Really? I would have thought most people would have picked 97-2003.
In 06 Michael only had the better car after the FIA intervention, and tbf didn't he lose the championship with the engine blowout in Japan was it?


No, MSC had 2nd best car and some times better in the first half of the season, and then in the 2nd half he always had the best car/tires by a huge margin.

And yes, MSC lost the championship because his engine blow up, and because Renault's mistakes in Hungary and China, and because he also had a puncture in Brazil... and because... of the whole championship.

#11162 George Costanza

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 04:58

Good points, although i wonder how many people thought MSCH was still in his prime in 05 or 06 or had the car to fight him in 05.




The 2005-2006 Michael Schumacher was simply a shadow of his 1998-2000 self....

#11163 George Costanza

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 05:00

No, MSC had 2nd best car and some times better in the first half of the season, and then in the 2nd half he always had the best car/tires by a huge margin.

And yes, MSC lost the championship because his engine blow up, and because Renault's mistakes in Hungary and China, and because he also had a puncture in Brazil... and because... of the whole championship.


Of course, if Schu's engine did not blow, and he comes in 4th in Brazi, he is the WDC regardless.... But that is "what if."


#11164 George Costanza

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 05:01

most experts call the year 2006 as the one of him being at the peak.

alonso had one too, two races before that in monza


What experts?

because it's crazy to expect that the 2006 Schumacher is better than the 2000 Schumacher. That is crazy. 2000 Schumacher was the best I have ever seen him race for Ferrari of his championship years.

I saw DC comments; I guess DC forget the vintage 1998-2000 Schumacher when he was quite at his best.

DC should know better than that as he raced vintage Schu. Ask Mika how good Schu was in those seasons, who was better than DC... Only Ayrton Senna of 1988-1991 could match that Schumacher.

Edited by George Costanza, 23 October 2011 - 05:11.


#11165 SCUDmissile

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:57

Of course, if Schu's engine did not blow, and he comes in 4th in Brazi, he is the WDC regardless.... But that is "what if."

i think he would have finished 1 point behind.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:44

Of course, if Schu's engine did not blow, and he comes in 4th in Brazi, he is the WDC regardless.... But that is "what if."



If, if, if , if........

Alonso also got a DNF because engine failure and a dancing wheelnut that ruined an epic victory (almost granted).

#11167 YellowHelmet

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:56

What experts?

the one that are often heard in the mainstream medias.

because it's crazy to expect that the 2006 Schumacher is better than the 2000 Schumacher. That is crazy. 2000 Schumacher was the best I have ever seen him race for Ferrari of his championship years.

No it is not, it is just a logical consequence.


DC should know better than that as he raced vintage Schu. Ask Mika how good Schu was in those seasons, who was better than DC... Only Ayrton Senna of 1988-1991 could match that Schumacher.


nothing different to 2006, with the only exception, he hadnt to prove anything more, and was so free of some destructive pressure.

Edited by YellowHelmet, 23 October 2011 - 09:56.


#11168 YellowHelmet

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:57

Of course, if Schu's engine did not blow, and he comes in 4th in Brazi, he is the WDC regardless.... But that is "what if."

bullshit

you cant construe an association chain excluding alonsos engine blew up (two races before that).
that is infantile.

Edited by YellowHelmet, 23 October 2011 - 09:57.


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Posted 23 October 2011 - 10:02

"I quit, I quit".......that's enough for me.......dump Alonso......and do it quick.

no that was mature to save the points for the team, he relinquished his own ambitions.

+

it was a tactical call to make mclaren insecure.


BUT
it was not like Hamiltons giving up during some races where whitmarsh had to motivate him to race.

Alonso gave everything what he had, and was the fastets man in the thirs stint (even faster than vettel), but had no realistic chance to overtake button. so he was intelligent enough to know what to do.

The only thing that bothers me is, why hadnt the fia shown us the whole conservation and not just that small part?

#11170 topical

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 11:19

The only thing that bothers me is, why hadnt the fia shown us the whole conservation and not just that small part?


Because radio extracts have become part of "the show". I'm sure the race director is told "if you hear anything that could be controversial, even if it's out of context, just broadcast it". All they want is to get people talking.

#11171 YellowHelmet

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 12:56

Because radio extracts have become part of "the show". I'm sure the race director is told "if you hear anything that could be controversial, even if it's out of context, just broadcast it". All they want is to get people talking.

sad but true.

the question is just, who decides what to show?
and from where are those people who show that?
are those people maybe fair/unfair towards some drivers or not?

etc. etc. etc.

it is very important to know that, who decides what we are going to hear or not!

#11172 cardin

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 14:15

Fernando Alonso: "I do not need the best car to win the World championship, just a competitive one".




:up:

Please Ferrari give him one!


It's really tacky when you say stuff like that about yourself. But we all know that class is not his strong suit.

#11173 cardin

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 14:22

no that was mature to save the points for the team, he relinquished his own ambitions.

+

it was a tactical call to make mclaren insecure.



BUT
it was not like Hamiltons giving up during some races where whitmarsh had to motivate him to race.

Alonso gave everything what he had, and was the fastets man in the thirs stint (even faster than vettel), but had no realistic chance to overtake button. so he was intelligent enough to know what to do.

The only thing that bothers me is, why hadnt the fia shown us the whole conservation and not just that small part?


I never do that but here you go; :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#11174 cardin

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 14:32

sad but true.

the question is just, who decides what to show?
and from where are those people who show that?
are those people maybe fair/unfair towards some drivers or not?

etc. etc. etc.

it is very important to know that, who decides what we are going to hear or not!

You didn't know that ? It's Ron Dennis and the british press deciding it.

#11175 ASFA2011

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 14:49

It's really tacky when you say stuff like that about yourself. But we all know that class is not his strong suit.



What is not so classy of what FA said ? 100% of the drivers in F1 would say the same , if there is one that don't then I will should you a loser

#11176 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 14:52

It's really tacky when you say stuff like that about yourself. But we all know that class is not his strong suit.


I'm so fed up and bored with you trolling this thread.


#11177 puxanando

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 15:11

I'm so fed up and bored with you trolling this thread.


:up: +1


#11178 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 15:21

Seriously guys, two great talents in the world of motor sport have died in the last week and you still continue to bicker about the most trivial things. If that isn't enough to put things into perspective I don't know what is.

#11179 F1Newbie

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 16:54

Yet again, just like last year, Alonso moaning on the radio he's much quicker than Massa. That's the only thing i don't like about Alonso. If you are that quick, pass him!!! He's the only driver i've seen suggesting team order on the radio. Glad Ferrari for once didn't ask Massa to move over.

Korea race edit is on!

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#11180 K-One

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 16:56

Yet again, just like last year, Alonso moaning on the radio he's much quicker than Massa. That's the only thing i don't like about Alonso. If you are that quick, pass him!!! He's the only driver i've seen suggesting team order on the radio. Glad Ferrari for once didn't ask Massa to move over.

Korea race edit is on!


Same happened with Trulli, nothing new there


#11181 topical

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 18:17

What is not so classy of what FA said ? 100% of the drivers in F1 would say the same , if there is one that don't then I will should you a loser


Cardin is a tedious troll and I don't understand why he hasn't been banned from at least this thread. Just ignore him, he obviously has a very sad life.

#11182 cardin

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 19:21

Yet again, just like last year, Alonso moaning on the radio he's much quicker than Massa. That's the only thing i don't like about Alonso. If you are that quick, pass him!!! He's the only driver i've seen suggesting team order on the radio. Glad Ferrari for once didn't ask Massa to move over.

Korea race edit is on!



I am much quicker than Felipe.

http://www.formula1....uid=2011101616R

What a disgusting little man.

#11183 hero

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 19:24

Same happened with Trulli, nothing new there



Same thing happens with every driver who is stuck behind a slower team mate. I heard Button do it with Barrichello at turkey 2008.

#11184 currupipi

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 19:31

http://www.formula1....uid=2011101616R

What a disgusting little man.


you have a problem with short people?


#11185 cardin

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 19:32

What is not so classy of what FA said ? 100% of the drivers in F1 would say the same , if there is one that don't then I will should you a loser

And yet we don't hear them saying it.

#11186 fabr68

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 19:32

What a disgusting little man.


Massa posts should go to the respective thread.

#11187 Aieljose

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 19:51

http://www.formula1....uid=2011101616R

What a disgusting little man.

I know someone whos worse.

#11188 ASFA2011

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 20:22

And yet we don't hear them saying it.



Now you are just trolling in this thread , hope the mods take action

#11189 AlanWake

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 20:34

And yet we don't hear them saying it.


I have a lot examples of drivers saying worse things, but I didn't see you whining on their threads when it happened.

#11190 cardin

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 21:24

Now you are just trolling in this thread , hope the mods take action


That's how you do it, right ? If you don't have an answer, just call it trolling.

#11191 Ferrari2183

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 22:12

Yet again, just like last year, Alonso moaning on the radio he's much quicker than Massa. That's the only thing i don't like about Alonso. If you are that quick, pass him!!! He's the only driver i've seen suggesting team order on the radio. Glad Ferrari for once didn't ask Massa to move over.

Korea race edit is on!

Can someone tell me how he is supposed to overtake when a) Massa had the higher top speed (qualifying speed trap) and b) Massa was for the majority involved in his own battle and using DRS as well, first with Webber and then with Rosberg?

In the first stint I will say that Alonso wasn't good enough to get by but during the second stint, after the safety car, for the bulk of the time the gap between Rosberg, Massa and Alonso was rarely over 1.5 seconds (if ever) and I got distinct impression that Alonso was the faster driver.

So to me it depends when that transmission went through.

#11192 cardin

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 23:26

Can someone tell me how he is supposed to overtake when a) Massa had the higher top speed (qualifying speed trap) and b) Massa was for the majority involved in his own battle and using DRS as well, first with Webber and then with Rosberg?

In the first stint I will say that Alonso wasn't good enough to get by but during the second stint, after the safety car, for the bulk of the time the gap between Rosberg, Massa and Alonso was rarely over 1.5 seconds (if ever) and I got distinct impression that Alonso was the faster driver.
So to me it depends when that transmission went through.


Wrong. On the second stint, after the safety car was in, Massa was faster 9 of the 13 laps. The gap to Alonso was more than 1.5 seconds for the last 5 laps of the stint and as high as 2 seconds.

#11193 fabr68

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 23:29

Wrong. On the second stint, after the safety car was in, Massa was faster 9 of the 13 laps. The gap to Alonso was more than 1.5 seconds for the last 5 laps of the stint and as high as 2 seconds.


Amazing, isn't it?. How Massa being "faster" still finished the race 10 seconds behind Alonso.

Edited by fabr68, 23 October 2011 - 23:32.


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Posted 23 October 2011 - 23:32

Wrong. On the second stint, after the safety car was in, Massa was faster 9 of the 13 laps. The gap to Alonso was more than 1.5 seconds for the last 5 laps of the stint and as high as 2 seconds.


Wow, that high? :lol:

How about looking at the last stint, hu? Once the "disgusting little man" (as you like to call him) was out of the way, Alonso showed what the car could do.

#11195 Ferrari2183

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 23:44

Wrong. On the second stint, after the safety car was in, Massa was faster 9 of the 13 laps. The gap to Alonso was more than 1.5 seconds for the last 5 laps of the stint and as high as 2 seconds.

Well it is pretty hard to go faster when you are directly behind a slower car... And if you had read my post I refer to the gap never exceeding 1.5 seconds while the trio were racing. Massa opened the gap to Alonso after Rosberg pitted but just prior to Massa's stop Alonso was once again making in roads into that gap (fuel saving or tyre saving possibly led to the gap) and once in clear air was significantly faster (6 tenths faster than Massa previously managed).

#11196 cardin

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 00:00

Amazing, isn't it?. How Massa being "faster" still finished the race 10 seconds behind Alonso.

What's amazing is that you disregarded the fact that Ferrari screwd the timming of Massa's second stop. Actually scratch that, it's not amazing at all, it's completely predictable.

#11197 cardin

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 00:02

Wow, that high? :lol:

How about looking at the last stint, hu? Once the "disgusting little man" (as you like to call him) was out of the way, Alonso showed what the car could do.

It's that what they call quoting out of context ? A hint for you; high is not allways absolute.

Edited by cardin, 24 October 2011 - 00:06.


#11198 F1Newbie

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 00:03

I don't think the debate should be if he was faster or not than Massa. Alonso needs to stop acting like a prima donna. His teammate isn't HIS employee. He doesn't have to move over for him. He isn't even fighting for the championship anymore! If he's stuck behind his teammate he should either "use the best of his talent, we all know how big it is" or deal with it!!

#11199 as65p

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 00:15

I don't think the debate should be if he was faster or not than Massa. Alonso needs to stop acting like a prima donna. His teammate isn't HIS employee. He doesn't have to move over for him. He isn't even fighting for the championship anymore! If he's stuck behind his teammate he should either "use the best of his talent, we all know how big it is" or deal with it!!


How do you make out he didn't "deal with it"? All he did was stating the obvious over the radio.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 00:16

It's that what they call quoting out of context ? A hint for you; high is not allways absolute.


Funny you'd say that... :p