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#11651 joshb

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 18:44

No eyes for Vettel as Ferrari happy with Alonso


Well to be fair, he's not going to say "You know what, i signed the wrong driver" or anything like that. Right now they have Alonso and provided they can get the car on the front row, they will start winning more races and maybe some titles.

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#11652 puxanando

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 19:00

:drunk: For what devil they should change Alonso? They have THEIR MAN for Ferrari and they know it!

#11653 Ferrari2183

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 20:00

Well to be fair, he's not going to say "You know what, i signed the wrong driver" or anything like that. Right now they have Alonso and provided they can get the car on the front row, they will start winning more races and maybe some titles.

Alonso is regarded by many in the paddock, team bosses and drivers alike, as the best driver out there...

The statement regarding the front row I find a little strange because he came oh so close last year while not being on the front row at many races. What he needs is competitive car...

#11654 currupipi

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 21:02

No matter how many times I watch it, it always gives me the shivers, the way he moved the car till he got P1, one of the best starts in the last decade in my opinion.


that start was really great, shame the pace on the hards.


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Posted 23 November 2011 - 22:22

that start was really great, shame the pace on the hards.

The pace on the softs was not great either and all Alonso did was hold up Vettel. This played into Hamilton's hands later in the race.

#11656 Tifosi4ever

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 23:00

Judging by their stadings in the WDC I must say that Button hasn't overperformed , he has the 2nd fastest car and he is second in the championship , so he is just doing what he was expected to do, a good job , in the other hand we have Hamilton who is clearly underperforming his car , and if we go to Alonso then he is clearly overperforming because his natural position given the performance of his machine should be around fifth or sith in the WDC , and you know that numbers don't lie , simple facts ...



I have to say that this is wrong. Button is 2nd in the championship ahead of Webber who is also driving the rocket. Alonso is third in the championship, ahead of the rocket red bull of Webber, and the clearly faster McLaren of Hamilton. Vettel, Button and Alonso have performed outstanding this year. I couldn't say who is best, other than it would be one of these 3.

#11657 grunge

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 23:07

No eyes for Vettel as Ferrari happy with Alonso



If anything ,its Ferrari that should be trying to make it up to Alonso next year..the guy deserves a car that can compete with the RB's at the front...he's right at the peak of his career and its kind of a pity he's not being provided with the right equipment to challenge for the WDC title.


#11658 Aieljose

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 23:11

No eyes for Vettel as Ferrari happy with Alonso

Not suprising. Whats not to like about the way alonso has driven this year? Popular opinion has him ranked as the best driven in f1 and all that is missing is a capable car. In the best car it's pretty much game over imo. Would love to see alonso and vettel in similarly paced cars next season. What a great fight that would be!

#11659 Johnrambo

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Posted 24 November 2011 - 05:01

Popular opinion has him ranked as the best driven in f1 and all that is missing is a capable car.


Source for this popular opinion please?

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#11660 Aieljose

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Posted 24 November 2011 - 05:40

Source for this popular opinion please?

Just from what i have seen and from whom i have spoken too. I remember speed t.v. had a poll asking who is the best driver in f1. The options were vettel, hamilton, alonso and another driver i cant remember probably button. 40% choose alonso. team bosses and drivers also voted alonso the best driver in 2010. I actually feel a bit silly having to explain all this.

#11661 currupipi

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Posted 24 November 2011 - 07:57

The pace on the softs was not great either and all Alonso did was hold up Vettel. This played into Hamilton's hands later in the race.


true , we sucked pretty bad that race, at least with the start we were able to enjoy ourselves for awhile


#11662 YellowHelmet

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 12:40

Brasil 2011: will it be finally fernandos weekend?

the weather forecast predicts rain for sat and sun, who knows for what this can be good?

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 14:48

Source for this popular opinion please?


You can look it up in Autosport, it was a featured article.

http://patronisef1.c...est-driver-vote

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 17:02

Source for this popular opinion please?


http://www.planetf1....so-Was-The-Best
I guess for 2011 the vote will be cast when the season is over, but I expect that if anything appreciation for FA will rise (while probably SV will be ranked top, deservedly IMHO)

Edit: CF22 beat me to it.

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 25 November 2011 - 17:03.


#11665 YellowHelmet

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 08:53

we are writing the 11/26/2011, the final qualifying of the season.

will it be a day for us to celebrate, or is today going to be a stratagical qualifying where some drivers will have a wet set up in dry conditions?

however: hopefully for alonso, this is going to be a very good qualy for a good start to a great weekend.

#11666 kosmos

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:11

Alonso is not very happy with the car, unless they can change for better the balance of the car, it looks like P5 and P6 for Ferrari in normal conditions. We will see in some hours how the car perform in FP3. I don't expect more miracles to end the season, if Alonso finish 3rd in the WDC, we can be happy with season knowing how Ferrari started coming from winter testing.

#11667 currupipi

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 11:04

Alonso is not very happy with the car, unless they can change for better the balance of the car, it looks like P5 and P6 for Ferrari in normal conditions. We will see in some hours how the car perform in FP3. I don't expect more miracles to end the season, if Alonso finish 3rd in the WDC, we can be happy with season knowing how Ferrari started coming from winter testing.



its been that way for a while, hoping for some sort of miracle but dont see it happening, lets hope that at least in the race we are up there

Edited by currupipi, 26 November 2011 - 11:05.


#11668 YellowHelmet

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 14:04

after fp3 it seems that alonso is again delivering a magic performance, very close to the front runners, although the ferrari seems to be not that competitive this weekend (at least if we look at massa).

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 14:12

Indeed he is on P5, the norm for the F150 but very close in lap time to the other guys.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 14:13

Indeed he is on P5, the norm for the F150 but very close in lap time to the other guys.

VET 1:12:460
ALO 1:12:765

Not to far away! :D

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 14:19

Indeed he is on P5, the norm for the F150 but very close in lap time to the other guys.

It's a short lap.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 14:23

It's a short lap.

say that to massa.

#11673 Watkins74

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 14:26

say that to massa.

Listen if I had my wish Alonso would be on pole. I see people getting all excited in this thread and others about the gaps. This circuit is one of the shortest tracks and times are going to be compressed.


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Posted 26 November 2011 - 14:32

Listen if I had my wish Alonso would be on pole. I see people getting all excited in this thread and others about the gaps. This circuit is one of the shortest tracks and times are going to be compressed.

okay, in that sense you are right.

about weather: it seems that it rains right now, at least it is shown right now here

#11675 kosmos

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:07

As expected, 5th, close to HAM and not that far from BUT, but 5th after all. What can we expect for tomorrow with a high chance of rain?, 2nd in the WDC is pretty damn hard and probably a podium too, but everything is possible. :)

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:08

no rain, no surprises in brasil 2011.
alonso 5th with another extraordinary performance.

i think tomorrow under given circumstances he can win it.

#11677 topical

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:56

Same old same old. Another great lap, another anonymous 5th place. Oh well, hopefully he can gain a place or two at the start tomorrow or at the very least stay ahead of Rosberg.
If it's dry Vettel will walk away with it as usual. Hopefully it'll rain.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 18:23

Listen if I had my wish Alonso would be on pole. I see people getting all excited in this thread and others about the gaps. This circuit is one of the shortest tracks and times are going to be compressed.


Oh damn, you broke the spell. I was having so much fun with people raving about the small gaps. :mad:

#11679 puxanando

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 19:39

Hopefully it'll rain.


:smoking: it will!


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#11680 Ferrari2183

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 19:49

:smoking: it will!

Rain might compound the balance issues they are having. This season must just finish... I'm tired of this car.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 20:08

:smoking: it will!


Looking at recent rainy races, it wont be a good thing for Fernando. When was the last time Alonso actually had a good or even decent race in wet? I cant recall any.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 20:10

I'm tired of this car.


:up:

More than that!


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Posted 26 November 2011 - 20:13

Looking at recent rainy races, it wont be a good thing for Fernando. When was the last time Alonso actually had a good or even decent race in wet? I cant recall any.

Korea 2010, where in the last 5 laps he was 5 seconds faster than anybody else including his teammate.

He was very fast in Hungary this year also, although he was erratic also.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 20:14

Looking at recent rainy races, it wont be a good thing for Fernando. When was the last time Alonso actually had a good or even decent race in wet? I cant recall any.


He won in Korea last year. This season in the last rainy race he was 3rd, not bad at all.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 20:23

He won in Korea last year. This season in the last rainy race he was 3rd, not bad at all.


Not bad, but if anyone is hoping for rain because it might give a chance for other drivers than Vettel, then Alonso fans shouldnt bother. "Not bad" isnt nowhere near "great wet race driving skills". so why hope for wet race then? If it was a wet race, I would put my money on Button, he has certainly shone on difficult conditions unlike Alonso.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 20:30

Not bad, but if anyone is hoping for rain because it might give a chance for other drivers than Vettel, then Alonso fans shouldnt bother. "Not bad" isnt nowhere near "great wet race driving skills". so why hope for wet race then? If it was a wet race, I would put my money on Button, he has certainly shone on difficult conditions unlike Alonso.

This.

Alonso blows hot and cold in the wet. He was good in Australia and Korea 2010 but was poor in Spa and ok in China. Anyway, I wouldn't want a wet race if they are having balance issues with the car.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 20:46

Not bad, but if anyone is hoping for rain because it might give a chance for other drivers than Vettel, then Alonso fans shouldnt bother. "Not bad" isnt nowhere near "great wet race driving skills". so why hope for wet race then? If it was a wet race, I would put my money on Button, he has certainly shone on difficult conditions unlike Alonso.


It's not about skills. If you have the 5th faster car in the grid and you want to win the craziest the race is the better.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 20:53

This.

Alonso blows hot and cold in the wet. He was good in Australia and Korea 2010 but was poor in Spa and ok in China. Anyway, I wouldn't want a wet race if they are having balance issues with the car.


That's because driving a RB or a McLaren you can cruise from pole or do a good tyre management to have winning options. Alonso has to take risks and most of the times risk on the wet lead to disaster. When he had a dominant car and confidence on it he was fairy reliable on the wet (Renault days).

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 20:58

That's because driving a RB or a McLaren you can cruise from pole or do a good tyre management to have winning options. Alonso has to take risks and most of the times risk on the wet lead to disaster. When he had a dominant car and confidence on it he was fairy reliable on the wet (Renault days).

Don't give me that! Vettel won in Monza with a Torro Rosso in 2008. Tell me how many wet wins does Alonso have?

I'll tell you... 1.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 21:00

Don't give me that! Vettel won in Monza with a Torro Rosso in 2008. Tell me how many wet wins does Alonso have?

I'll tell you... 1.


Germany 2007 is the one that springs to mind. Were there no others?

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 21:10

Germany 2007 is the one that springs to mind. Were there no others?

You can't exactly call that a wet race win. That race was stopped and restarted on a drying track.

Korea 2010 is his only wet race win.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 21:10

Germany 2007 is the one that springs to mind. Were there no others?

You can't exactly call that a wet race win. That race was stopped and restarted on a drying track.

Korea 2010 is his only wet race win.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 21:14

You can't exactly call that a wet race win. That race was stopped and restarted on a drying track.

Korea 2010 is his only wet race win.


We will have to agree to disagree on what constitutes a wet race then. He didn't win (due to loose wheel nut) but the wet race that impressed me most was Hungary 2006.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 21:17

Don't give me that! Vettel won in Monza with a Torro Rosso in 2008. Tell me how many wet wins does Alonso have?

I'll tell you... 1.


I would say it is 2 wins: Nurburgring 2007 and Korea 2010. It would have been surely 3 if he hadn't retired in Hungary 2006 because a wheel nut wasn't put on properly...

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 21:21

Not bad, but if anyone is hoping for rain because it might give a chance for other drivers than Vettel, then Alonso fans shouldnt bother. "Not bad" isnt nowhere near "great wet race driving skills". so why hope for wet race then? If it was a wet race, I would put my money on Button, he has certainly shone on difficult conditions unlike Alonso.

i would put my money on button simply because the mclaren seems to be suited to wet conditions also because button is quite good in the wet. i don't think the f150 is very good at all in the wet. im guessing that the lack of downforce can't be good in wet conditions. it seemed like it was understeering all over the place in canada and pretty bad in hungary too so its not really a fair comparison. although i dont think alonso is anything special in the wet he definaltly isn't bad. If it rain, it rains. if it doesn't, it doesn't it doesn't really matter to me all that much.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 21:27

Don't give me that! Vettel won in Monza with a Torro Rosso in 2008. Tell me how many wet wins does Alonso have?

I'll tell you... 1.


Yes Vettel won in Monza from the pole with a car that qualified 1st and 4th. How many wet races did Alonso have while driving a dominant car and not having to take risk for the WDC?

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 21:36

Alonso tends to be somewhat inconsistent under wet conditions. One day he is in the league of his own (First laps of Hungary 2006 and China 2006 and latter stages of Nurburgring 2007 and Korea 2010), another day he isn't fast enough (albeit very few times) or is fast but erratic (Fuji 2007 or Spa 2010) or is just good but not exceptional (Australia 2010, China 2010, etc).

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 21:53

Alonso tends to be somewhat inconsistent under wet conditions. One day he is in the league of his own (First laps of Hungary 2006 and China 2006 and latter stages of Nurburgring 2007 and Korea 2010), another day he isn't fast enough (albeit very few times) or is fast but erratic (Fuji 2007 or Spa 2010) or is just good but not exceptional (Australia 2010, China 2010, etc).


You know we can take any driver and classify all his races in three groups like you did. The conclusion would be every driver is somewhat inconsistent. Talking about some races results without putting them into perspective is absurd IMO. For example there was a lot of talk about his driving in 08 and 09 because he seemed to be more inconsistent and suddenly his skills came back in Ferrari. Magic? Of course not, being out of the WDC battle his only goal was winning a race or getting to the podium and that was only possible by taking a lot of risk in qualy and in the race with car that was a total mess. That's just my opinion of course and I'm not trying to say he's a mighty rain master or anything else but definitely not a weak point. Let's hope for a dominant Ferrari as soon as possible and lots of exciting rainy races so we could settle this debate in style ;)

EDIT: In fact I give you that first half of 2010 was full of mixed performances but looking at the following season and a half the obvious explanation would be adaptation (new team, tyres, mechanical problems...).

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 21:55

The most exciting thing about this weekend so far is Alonso again patting himself on the back for flattering the car (sorry I couldn't resist and no need to respond to this trolling).

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 21:58

Fernando Alonso says gap to McLaren in qualifying is flattering Ferrari's car

Am I the only getting sick of Fernando saying things like this? It's SOOO self-serving. He might as well just say "Look how much better I am than Lewis & Jenson, since I'm almost matching them in this truck" (don't use "truck" though - it even got Prost fired from Ferrari).

Tons of respect for Alonso as a driver, but I'm surprised the team isn't annoyed by these type of statements.