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#13751 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 03:39

LOL.
He did spend a lot of time stuck behind Maldanado but that was after we went off track.


I'm just telling you what Fernando himself said, no need to worry about semantics. The point is he couldn't get by on the straight so he felt he had to try somewhere else.

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#13752 kosmos

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 03:39

People keep talking about top speed and yes Ferrari suffers from a lack of it, however that wasn't what cost him positions today. It was mostly the strategy.

1 15 S. PEREZ 326.1
2 14 K. KOBAYASHI 322.8
3 16 D. RICCIARDO 320.2
4 17 J. VERGNE 319.6
5 20 H. KOVALAINEN 315.4
6 5 F. ALONSO 315.0
7 10 R. GROSJEAN 314.9

http://www.fia.com/E...n-race-trap.pdf



The top speed was marginally better compared to the people he was fighting most of the time, 1 or 2 kpm at most, so it was a problem.

About him going off track, it was clearly a mistake and we have to recognize it, but as he said, he couldn't overtake Maldonado in the straight, so he tried it in other place, it was that or being stuck behind him for the rest of the race, he took the risk and it didn't pay off, the same way he took other risks during the race and he pulled great overtakings and was in a great position most of the race, even behind Hamilton. When you don't have the car you have to take risks, more risks more chances of failling, it's the reality of the car.

Edited by kosmos, 16 April 2012 - 03:43.


#13753 Bartel

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 03:49

People keep talking about top speed and yes Ferrari suffers from a lack of it, however that wasn't what cost him positions today. It was mostly the strategy.

1 15 S. PEREZ 326.1
2 14 K. KOBAYASHI 322.8
3 16 D. RICCIARDO 320.2
4 17 J. VERGNE 319.6
5 20 H. KOVALAINEN 315.4
6 5 F. ALONSO 315.0
7 10 R. GROSJEAN 314.9

http://www.fia.com/E...n-race-trap.pdf

This list puzzles me...I thought the Mercs had cranked ALOT of wing on to give them better S1 and S2 times and used the Super DRS to negate any extra wing in quali, so I expected them to be near dead last on the speed traps, but Rosberg was STILL faster than both McLarens in the speed trap...which says to me the Merc was just genuinely faster than everyone here this weekend, can't explain why Schumacher is so far down though, where is this speed measured? If it was early on maybe that may explain the weirdness but if its later down the straight then how is Rosberg so far up when most of the field had the option of DRS when he did not? Actually, now that I think about it, maybe he had DRS from being within a second of a back marker, and Schumacher NEVER got to open his DRS all race, which is why he is dead last and so slow, that actually confirms what I already thought about Mercedes cranking on the wing for Quali, and yes, I realised I just changed my mind three times in this one post lol but it says alot about the question I had in my head now.

#13754 prty

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:18

LOL.
He did spend a lot of time stuck behind Maldanado but that was after we went off track.


He was behind Maldonadp before going off too, I dont see your point.

#13755 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 13:57

Niki Lauda: Alonso is the best"

Stop attention in Alonso. It's the best driver that today there are in F-1, is the one with more experience and look where is. The Ferrari doesn't work and he can do nothing. But although it does not have a car to prove it, it is still the best.

http://deportes.elpa...312_141203.html

#13756 Creepy

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:39

Bad strategy calls or pit errors like Kimi's and Schumacher's don't count, didn't you get the Alonso fanboy memo.


I didn't call you nor said anything about you, so I kindly request the same treatment. I think it's a fair deal. :cool:

I don't think one should take meriths out from Alonso (or Ferrari) because of that things you listed. I don't think Alonso's current position in the standings is underserved taking into account it was Alonso who made the best out of the circumstances in Malaysia and the Ferrari guys in the pit did an amazing job there. Also in Australia they did pretty decent given the circumstances (both Alonso and Ferrari) which made Alonso to be 3rd in the standings.

So why other teams/drivers messing up shouldn't count? Sorry, but this isn't about being a fanboy but about stating who made a better job (both driver+team).

Edited by Creepy, 17 April 2012 - 01:40.


#13757 kosmos

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 16:07

New blog.

http://www.ferrari.c...re-bahrain.aspx

#13758 puxanando

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 16:34

Alonso: "I want to congratulate the pit crew: again in China they were the quickest and to do a time of 2”6 up to the green light, not once, but twice, as they recorded that time with both me and Felipe, is really a great time!"

:up:

#13759 mknight

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 16:46

New user here, have been following the forum for a while, finally joined...great to see so many Alonso/Ferrari fans!

I'm really quite disappointed with how the car's turned out but because it's Alonso driving it I'm not panicking yet, we all know his epic capabilities in making comebacks from behind, just like 2010. So right now I'm just thinking he can afford to have a slow car, for now. If the car is developed to have solid pace then it's game on.

I think the most frustrating thing in dealing with all this is that Ferrari have such a top class driver. He hasn't been getting the success that he deserves the past few years, it's so frustrating knowing that if he just had a good car he would win more titles.

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#13760 puxanando

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 17:17

Welcome @mknight :)

Alonso on his blog:

"Both the Scuderia and I have a good record in Bahrain: the team has four victories here and I've got three, the last of which was also my debut race for the Prancing Horse. But the past counts for nothing in this sport and this weekend will be all about damage limitation for us."


Edited by puxanando, 17 April 2012 - 17:17.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 17:18

:up:


Did they really do the tyre-switch in 2,6 seconds??!! Is that what it means? (Confusing when it reads 2"6)

EDIT- found a clarification in the F2012-thread.

Edited by race addicted, 17 April 2012 - 17:20.


#13762 Cavani

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 17:26

i cant fathom till now how the hell alonso could stick to hamilton and webber and actually fight them for position with this apparently miserable car ?

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 17:29

i cant fathom till now how the hell alonso could stick to hamilton and webber and actually fight them for position with this apparently miserable car ?

Alonso is good.....

Oh and maybe the car is not as bad as thought.

#13764 kosmos

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 18:04

Welcome mknight, have fun and beware, the dark side is strong in this forum.

#13765 puxanando

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 18:18

Welcome mknight, have fun and beware, the dark side is strong in this forum.

+1 :rotfl:


#13766 rabbitleader

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 21:46

The car performs badly on light fuel loads as evidenced by quali times so it's not surprising that Alonso's challenge is more likely to fall away as the race progresses....except say in heavy wet weather where the performance differential is removed.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 21:54

Did they really do the tyre-switch in 2,6 seconds??!! Is that what it means? (Confusing when it reads 2"6)

EDIT- found a clarification in the F2012-thread.


They did. For Alonso it was on lap 38 when he came into the pits right behind Hamilton. The McLaren boys managed a 2.7 second stop to keep Hamilton ahead.


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:15

Just stumbled upon this on utube, parts of the post race press conference of Germany 2010, the parts they don't show on Tv. Amazing footage, of the vicious attack on Alonso by the journalists.



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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:20

Just stumbled upon this on utube, parts of the post race press conference of Germany 2010, the parts they don't show on Tv. Amazing footage, of the vicious attack on Alonso by the journalists.


And what will you say us with THIS? :|


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:46

Just stumbled upon this on utube, parts of the post race press conference of Germany 2010, the parts they don't show on Tv. Amazing footage, of the vicious attack on Alonso by the journalists.


Where do you see him being vicious?

Definition of VICIOUS
1: having the nature or quality of vice or immorality : depraved — (see vice)
2: defective, faulty; also : invalid
3: impure, noxious
4a: dangerously aggressive : savage <a vicious dog>
4b: marked by violence or ferocity : fierce <a vicious fight>
5: malicious, spiteful <vicious gossip>
6: worsened by internal causes that reciprocally augment each other <a vicious wage-price spiral>


Edited by KnucklesAgain, 19 April 2012 - 10:46.


#13771 SirRacer

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:05

Where do you see him being vicious?

He said the journalists were, not him

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:11

Just stumbled upon this on utube, parts of the post race press conference of Germany 2010, the parts they don't show on Tv. Amazing footage, of the vicious attack on Alonso by the journalists.


alonso must be trained so ****in well to not break down in these situations , if i were him i would tell them all to **** off and say that yes massa gave me the win , it is none of ur business :D

#13773 RacingReporter

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:27

Did they really do the tyre-switch in 2,6 seconds??!! Is that what it means? (Confusing when it reads 2"6)

EDIT- found a clarification in the F2012-thread.

I'm going to look that up. I could swear I saw 3.1 standing on my screen with the second stop when he pitted simultaneously with Hamilton.

#13774 Outsider

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:32

I'm going to look that up. I could swear I saw 3.1 standing on my screen with the second stop when he pitted simultaneously with Hamilton.

i saw the same

#13775 Obi Offiah

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:37

They did. For Alonso it was on lap 38 when he came into the pits right behind Hamilton. The McLaren boys managed a 2.7 second stop to keep Hamilton ahead.

I'm going to have to watch the race again and pay attention to the pit-stops. I've heard on a few occasions of these sub 3 second pit-stops, but I've never ever actually seen such timing displayed on-screen.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:42

alonso must be trained so ****in well to not break down in these situations , if i were him i would tell them all to **** off and say that yes massa gave me the win , it is none of ur business :D

He did handle it very well. Maximum points for the race victory (I can't remember if they were dishing out 25pts back in 2010) may have gone some way to mitigate any frustration or unease he may have been feeling.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:49

i saw the same

Ok, so these sub 3 second stops continue to be mythical :lol: . It could be that the teams have a more accurate representation of the stop time than we get with FOM or whoever provides the timing.

#13778 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 15:24

Today in Bahrain

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#13779 RedOne

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 15:28

Nice to see him smiling

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 17:01

Just stumbled upon this on utube, parts of the post race press conference of Germany 2010, the parts they don't show on Tv. Amazing footage, of the vicious attack on Alonso by the journalists.


He should have walked away and give them the middle finger.

#13781 kosmos

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 03:28

Great interview with Fernando last night in COPE, the audio file, spanish of course:

http://vod.cope.es/a...06878705739.mp3

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 04:08

Just stumbled upon this on utube, parts of the post race press conference of Germany 2010, the parts they don't show on Tv. Amazing footage, of the vicious attack on Alonso by the journalists.


That sucks, as the others have said I would have just given them, specially Eddie Jordan the middle finger. They act like no other driver or team has ever done this or worse, it's F1. After watching this I have more respect for Fernando than before, well done.

Edited by CF22, 20 April 2012 - 04:09.


#13783 NoDivergence

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:01

i cant fathom till now how the hell alonso could stick to hamilton and webber and actually fight them for position with this apparently miserable car ?


Unfortunately, or fortunately, being held up in traffic is an equalizer. Also seems that all the cars are relatively on the pace on hard fuel but totally different on light fuel at the end

#13784 kosmos

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 02:35

A new interview with Fernando is going to broadcasted in Spain this sunday, we saw a small preview last night, one of the question was how is the team he respect more, and he said McLaren.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:23

A new interview with Fernando is going to broadcasted in Spain this sunday, we saw a small preview last night, one of the question was how is the team he respect more, and he said McLaren.


What does "respect" mean in this context? He respects their ability to constantly run at or near the front? That would make sense. Or he respects the way they run their race team? Given his experiences there in 2007 that would seem far-fetched (whichever side you blame).

#13786 kosmos

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:04

What does "respect" mean in this context? He respects their ability to constantly run at or near the front? That would make sense. Or he respects the way they run their race team? Given his experiences there in 2007 that would seem far-fetched (whichever side you blame).



I will report back when the full interview is broadcasted, maybe his answer is longer and they cut it for the preview.

#13787 kosmos

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:16

Interesting interview with Stefano.

http://i.imgur.com/mBMlB.png

-"We must improve because we must win with Alonso. We know that he don't need a super car, only a competitive machine, that's our big advantage."

-They ask him if he fear that Alonso will lost his patience. "I don't think so, he is committed to Ferrari, professionally and personally to try to be a champion with Ferrari and he will be payed dearly for, we have a moral obligation with him.

-We have a moral obligation to make him a champion, we feel that we failed him in 2010.

-He has a central role in the team, his opinion will count if the time of hiring a teammate comes.

-Massa is fighting for his future in F1, not only his future in Ferrari.

-Felipe must accept that he is fighting a very very strong teammate, if he can't, he is punished (reference to self believe I guess, he is not very clear). He must learn from Fernando, not challenge him. This is the way to be destroyed by teammates like Alonso and Schumi, genuine cannibals.



Feel free to correct me, I did the translation in a hurry and I think some stuff got lost in translation from Italian to Spanish.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 14:43

Interesting interview with Stefano.

http://i.imgur.com/mBMlB.png




Feel free to correct me, I did the translation in a hurry and I think some stuff got lost in translation from Italian to Spanish.



Thanks for that. Again, plenty of fine words from Stefano, but lets see some results please...

And even as an Alonso fan, I don't think those words about Massa are very nice. That's stuff for behind closed doors, not the media.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 15:17

Interesting interview with Stefano.

Looks like Alonso has a lot of power inside the team and he is very respected there :up:

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:31

Alonso´s looking good for tomorrow: Start on softs, pit earlier than the rest, make it up some places, and then mediums to the end.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:34

Thanks for that. Again, plenty of fine words from Stefano, but lets see some results please...

And even as an Alonso fan, I don't think those words about Massa are very nice. That's stuff for behind closed doors, not the media.


thats really shitty, if he wasn't lacking confidence before he will be now, how can you expect him to race for these ferrari shits that keep hanging him in the media

#13792 RedOne

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:39

Ferrari know they have the best driver in Alonso so they wouldn't do anything to hurt their relationship. Once they give him a good car not the best they know he can get the job done.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:42

thats really shitty, if he wasn't lacking confidence before he will be now, how can you expect him to race for these ferrari shits that keep hanging him in the media


Oh please they have been bending over backwards to support him even flying new chassis out to help him. They have never been critical of his performances and he feels there support and has said so.

#13794 Creepy

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 18:03

Alonso´s looking good for tomorrow: Start on softs, pit earlier than the rest, make it up some places, and then mediums to the end.


And the harsh tire degradation? :( If he does that he'll end up like Kimi at China.. Only that possibly worse.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 18:12

And the harsh tire degradation? :( If he does that he'll end up like Kimi at China.. Only that possibly worse.


I don't it was meant that he should one-stop, more like mediums at every stop necessary (up to 3, a 4th stop would be nasty, as he would have no fresh tyres left).

TBH I don't see any big chances for tomorrow. Unless it rains... :D What Alonso says himself, 6th or 7th would be a pretty good result, all things considered.

#13796 puxanando

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 18:13

Ferrari know they have the best driver in Alonso so they wouldn't do anything to hurt their relationship. Once they give him a good car not the best they know he can get the job done.


:up:


#13797 LH08WDC

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 18:16

Once again Alonso shows us his class. Flawless job once again.

#13798 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 18:19

He said the journalists were, not him



Oops, sorry, I misread.

#13799 Smile17

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 20:21

Btw, it looks like those earlier rumours in 2011 were true. Ferrari has indeed introduced a 599 Alonso edition (earlier this month though).

Edited by Smile17, 21 April 2012 - 20:23.


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#13800 SirRacer

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 20:54

Btw, it looks like those earlier rumours in 2011 were true. Ferrari has indeed introduced a 599 Alonso edition (earlier this month though).

Alonso seems to be one of those that you either love him or hate him.

Ferrari loves him, so did Renault, but then there's McLaren..