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#4651 engel

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 16:52

I think someone smells of crap here but it isn't Gene. Alonso WAS on a wet setup, as he himself admitted:



either translate the part in that interview were he says I have a wet setup (not I carry more wing than the other guys, that's not a wet setup)

or go read Alonso's blog in english

He wasn't on a wet setup

Edited by engel, 09 September 2010 - 16:53.


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#4652 prty

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 17:03

either translate the part in that interview were he says I have a wet setup (not I carry more wing than the other guys, that's not a wet setup)

or go read Alonso's blog in english

He wasn't on a wet setup


- Don't you regret about the decision you took yesterday regarding the wet setup, seeing that Massa finished 4th with a dry set up and rain in the race?
- Well, had I completed the first lap normally, maybe I would be in the podium now, so.... About regretting or not regretting the setup... when there is a race where somone hits your car, damages it, I end up last 20 seconds away from the second-to-last, I recover, was going more or less 10 seconds away from the podium when I retired... I think the setup was perfect.

I'd take that over some blog drivers probably don't even know that exist anytime (or over what you say, too) :)


#4653 AlanWake

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 17:15

- Don't you regret about the decision you took yesterday regarding the wet setup, seeing that Massa finished 4th with a dry set up and rain in the race?
- Well, had I completed the first lap normally, maybe I would be in the podium now, so.... About regretting or not regretting the setup... when there is a race where somone hits your car, damages it, I end up last 20 seconds away from the second-to-last, I recover, was going more or less 10 seconds away from the podium when I retired... I think the setup was perfect.

I'd take that over some blog drivers probably don't even know that exist anytime (or over what you say, too) :)


He also said he was on a wet setup before the race: http://www.lasexta.c..._belgica/307481 (look at the minute 24:40)



#4654 prty

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 17:25

He also said he was on a wet setup before the race: http://www.lasexta.c..._belgica/307481 (look at the minute 24:40)


"We have a wet setup", can't get any more clear than that, right?

But can't be, it said so on the blog!


#4655 AlanWake

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 21:23

From FIA press conference:

Q: (Ian Gordon – News of the World) Fernando, you said here, a few years ago, F1 is not a sport and your then team boss said the championship had been fixed around a table when it appeared Ferrari had been a beneficiary. Many people in the sport think you had been a beneficiary yesterday. If you win the title by less than seven points this year, do you think that the title will be as good as 2005/2006 when you were maybe fighting against the odds?
FA: Yes.

Q: (Ian Gordon – News of the World) Why?
FA: Because when you win the title, you win the title.

Q: (Ian Gordon – News of the World) Do you think if you win the title this year you will have won it fairly, on the track, not in the Paris courtroom?
FA: Yes.

Q: (Byron Young – The Daily Mirror) Fernando, could you give me your description please of a worthy Formula One World Champion: the ingredients that make up a worthy champion?
FA: I think that whoever is first at the end is because they have more points than the others and one’s a champion and this is the way it was throughout the history of Formula One and other sports as well: in football, in the Premier League, in tennis etc. This is not too difficult.

Q: (Byron Young – The Daily Mirror) Is points the only ingredient?
FA: Yeah, I think if you are talking… because I’m sure you are talking about the decision of yesterday, you have to respect it and be calm. Respect everything as we do and don’t worry.

Q: (Byron Young – The Daily Mirror) Isn’t talent an ingredient of being a great champion?
FA: Of course.


British press is obsessed with Alonso, as usual. Luckily, not all British journalists are that bad.

Edited by AlanWake, 09 September 2010 - 21:24.


#4656 Lights

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 21:42

Well those are some crappy questions. When will they learn...

#4657 KavB

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 22:14

Q. (Andrea Cremonesi – La Gazzetta dello Sport) Fernando this is your first Italian Grand Prix as a Ferrari driver. How did you feel this morning arriving at the circuit?

FA: We came in a Fiat 500, very Ferrari red, so I felt a little bit of stress because people were running behind us, because the car is quite attractive


Okay, Fernando is clearly crazy :wave:

About the tabloid stuff... I cringe whenever I read questions from these tabloid journalists... They don't even get what they are looking for, a reaction, because Alonso doesn't stoop to their level and gives fairly mature responses. I don't know why they keep bothering because clearly they aren't going to get much words to twist, in attempt to make the drivers look bad. I feel really embarrassed that I live in the same country as them, and I hope the drivers, as well as fans from other countries, realise they are just from tabloid papers and don't represent the opinion of the rest of the Brits.

Edit: Also LOL at the Daily Mirror guy implying that Alonso lacks talent.

Edited by KavB, 09 September 2010 - 22:18.


#4658 Rob

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 22:15

British press is obsessed with Alonso, as usual. Luckily, not all British journalists are that bad.


The Daily Mirror and the News of the World are about as close to journalism as Bernie Ecclestone is to the poverty line.

#4659 kosmos

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:10

For once Lauda said something nice about Alonso.

P. ¿Tiene algún problema con Alonso?

R. No, para nada. Para empezar, le diré que, desde mi punto de vista, Alonso es el mejor piloto que hay actualmente en la fórmula 1. No hay otro como él. Es mejor que Vettel, que Hamilton y que cualquiera de los demás. Es rápido, tiene cerebro y experiencia y es agresivo al mismo tiempo. Es el más completo. Es listo, entiende al equipo y sabe lo que hay que hacer para llegar a tener el mejor coche.


"Best driver, better than Vettel, Hamilton and the others. Fast, with brain and experience, and agressive at the same time, the most complete driver. He is smart, understand the team and he know what to do to have the best car."

I agree but I don't care, Lauda lost his credibility long time ago :wave:



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#4660 rko281

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:11

I bet on Alonso for pole position :) . Gotta go to collect my money :lol: .



#4661 zeph

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 19:23

Nice to have a clean "no holds-barred" PP for Alonso. Hopew he finishes the race tomorrow (and the rest of the season) in similar style.


#4662 rye&ginger

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 20:44

So who says he never admits his mistakes?



It does not matter. In any high level activity you must look to the future, not dwell on past failure or success. People who clamour for the drivers to admit faults etc. do not understand this. Success does not come from looking at failure, but learning from it and moving on quickly. IMO Alonso and Raikonen were the best at this for recent drivers. Massa, Button, and Hamilton are always going on and on about past races too often.

Amazing lap by Alonso. He dominated and got the right setup clearly also.

Edited by rye&ginger, 11 September 2010 - 20:45.


#4663 jmkaos

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 20:53

British press is obsessed with Alonso, as usual. Luckily, not all British journalists are that bad.


You'll live longer if you stop considering 'News of the World' as press...of any type...well, except comedy-relief press


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Posted 11 September 2010 - 22:08

You'll live longer if you stop considering 'News of the World' as press...of any type...well, except comedy-relief press

It can provide another form of relief as well - when one is camping and caught far from modern interior sanitary facilities...

#4665 F1Nuts

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 22:12

From FIA press conference:
British press is obsessed with Alonso, as usual. Luckily, not all British journalists are that bad.


What do you expect...he nearly destroyed a British racing team. And has been involved quite a few controversies in the last few years. Why should that be a surprise? And no doubt Hamilton gets a bad wrap from the Spanish media.

#4666 jetalt

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 22:23


An innocent angel :love:

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#4667 jmkaos

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 22:30

He looked like a shaved long-haired Nigel Mansell...I was shocked by that image, :drunk:

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 23:13

What do you expect...he nearly destroyed a British racing team. And has been involved quite a few controversies in the last few years. Why should that be a surprise? And no doubt Hamilton gets a bad wrap from the Spanish media.


I can understand why Alonso is not the favourite driver for english media. Hamilton and Alonso had been involved in a few controversies (Spygate, crashgate, Liegate ...), i assume each fan has his own point of view about each one.
But i cant understand why some english media still asking Alonso if he would be a worthy champion if he finally win the WDC, even after everybody have read the pdf from FIA where is clear Ferrari hasnt been hard punished because Mclaren and Hamilton had done exactly the same in 2008 and noone said nothing.

Is Lewis Hamilton a Worthy Champion for british media?

#4669 Nitropower

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 23:44

No, what is difficult to understand is why such "media" is allowed to participate in press conferences.

Is anyone claiming to be a reporter allowed in there, it does not matter who you are? Why not get gossip magazines as well in? Porn journalists?

I haven't seen these kind of questions from whatever nationality ever before or with the goal of permanently disturbing someone. Really, it is amazing.

It's a big big question why they allow these trash in press conferences. We'll have to ask Bernie. Or Max!

Have you ever seen any driver "stalked" by certain "media" so often? It's a joke.

Edited by Nitropower, 11 September 2010 - 23:45.


#4670 mkay

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 23:49

From FIA press conference:



British press is obsessed with Alonso, as usual. Luckily, not all British journalists are that bad.


-comment about the fact that Hamilton has it worse than Alonso-

British press is asking relevant question in Alonso's case, not attacking the driver's (or person's) credibility and race. Yes, they are on his case, but who wouldn't be? They just got acquitted for something that was once considered a major offence.

Edited by mkay, 11 September 2010 - 23:54.


#4671 Buttoneer

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 23:51

This thread is about Fernando Alonso. Discussion of other drivers and press treatment of drivers more generally should be discussed elsewhere please.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 00:01

-comment about the fact that Hamilton has it worse than Alonso-

British press is asking relevant question in Alonso's case, not attacking the driver's (or person's) credibility and race. Yes, they are on his case, but who wouldn't be? They just got acquitted for something that was once considered a major offence.


That's not the point. Drivers are booed when in the opponent's field, and that's natural.

No one has been asking other drivers in press conferences on and on why they lied one day, if they think their superlicense should be removed after making donuts outside a circuit with a street car, if FIA is has been helping them, if saving fuel is equal to team orders, etc. etc. and that is what is being discussed here, because most of those questions are not part of the sport and the competition.

I stick to the treatment of Fernando Alonso by certain press: I really think it's ok to ask some questions once, but some people is clearly and permanently on war with Fernando Alonso.

Edited by Nitropower, 12 September 2010 - 00:02.


#4673 mkay

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 00:52

That's not the point. Drivers are booed when in the opponent's field, and that's natural.

No one has been asking other drivers in press conferences on and on why they lied one day, if they think their superlicense should be removed after making donuts outside a circuit with a street car, if FIA is has been helping them, if saving fuel is equal to team orders, etc. etc. and that is what is being discussed here, because most of those questions are not part of the sport and the competition.

I stick to the treatment of Fernando Alonso by certain press: I really think it's ok to ask some questions once, but some people is clearly and permanently on war with Fernando Alonso.


I was referring to something far more insulting than booing but I understand your point.

Media are doing their jobs. They need juice, they need stories. It's fair play, IMO.

#4674 Watkins74

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 01:51

-comment about the fact that Hamilton has it worse than Alonso-

British press is asking relevant question in Alonso's case, not attacking the driver's (or person's) credibility and race. Yes, they are on his case, but who wouldn't be? They just got acquitted for something that was once considered a major offence.


No they didn't. The WMSC confirmed they were guilty and agreed with the $100,000 fine. Read the FIA report.

Edited by Watkins74, 12 September 2010 - 02:25.


#4675 Mr2s

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 09:32

Don't see what the fuss is about over Alonso's mistakes, when the so-called greatest driver of all time made so many more in a better car. Alonso's luck is worse than his ability to drive a perfect race. Him still being at the top in one of the most competitive eras of modern F1 speaks volumes.
If Hill, Irvine, Coulthard where still the top drivers, I imagine Schumacher would still be having a ball.



#4676 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:53

From FIA press conference:



British press is obsessed with Alonso, as usual. Luckily, not all British journalists are that bad.


What obsession? They were asking questions that needed to be asked and IMO, they were far too kind with alonso.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 11:57

They just showed Alonsos pole lap on BBC, quite beautiful. Neat and tidy, with a quickly corrected oversteer moment into the first lesmo. And as most of the time, Alonso really nails Parabolica. :up:

#4678 JackTorrance

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 13:22

:up: :up: :up: :up:

FERNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Look at those hands :) WHats not to like about this guy.

YES!!!!!
IN THERE!!!!!


#4679 RSNS

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 14:30

Does anyone have a clip (or link) to Alonso's slide in the Parabolica? That was amazing.

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#4680 Hole

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 14:32

Alonso is back and is shutting up a lot of mouths. :up:


Some people was wishing he jumped the starting or his engine blew away, but Alonso won. Bazinga!

Edited by AdamKOR, 12 September 2010 - 14:32.


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Posted 12 September 2010 - 14:33

Now he just needs a run of podium finishes to finish the season!

#4682 AlanWake

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 14:33

They just showed Alonsos pole lap on BBC, quite beautiful. Neat and tidy, with a quickly corrected oversteer moment into the first lesmo. And as most of the time, Alonso really nails Parabolica. :up:


I believe Monza suits his driving style. He was brilliant there too in 2007 :)

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 15:33

Good result for Ferrari generally this, but it must cheer Alonso no end to get the job done in front of Luca and all the Italian fans. Great drive from him today.

#4684 kosmos

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 16:07

Fernando said in the Spanish TV that his start was good, he checked with the pitwall after the race and they told him that the date was correct, zero problems with the car and I guess from his words that he didn't do any mistake. He said that the problem was that Button did a great start, better than his.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 16:13

Super weekend by FA... impressive on Friday, pole on Saturday and on Sunday he had the fastest lap and the win.... and all at Monza

It doesnt get better than that.

#4686 JackTorrance

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 16:13

I thought his first lap after the pitstop was ace as well. Button so close on warmed up tyres. Then keeping his head cool aproaching the back marker before variante secunda. A highlight of Alonso's career for sure.

But I dont agree that his start was good. Button had a good start. Massa too and he even had to lift under the team o..er team strategic decisons. Fernando must do something about that.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 18:27

I'm a McLaren and Hamilton fan but I feel the need to come on here and congratulate Alonso for a superb drive today.

Just hope he doesn't make a habit of it. :rotfl:

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 20:07

I'm a McLaren and Hamilton fan but I feel the need to come on here and congratulate Alonso for a superb drive today.

Just hope he doesn't make a habit of it. :rotfl:


I on the other hand, as an Alonso fan, hope he makes a habit of it. He gave us quite an erratic season so far.

Edited by kissTheApex, 12 September 2010 - 20:07.


#4689 One

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 20:13

Fantastic drinve from Alonso for this week ends. Cool as he was at Renault. Now I see sparks that He wil head for WDC. It will be Red Bull to loose.

Alonso had his excellent move on coming two days. For sure it is partly his idea. Now Ferarri will be back on track with completely refreshed racing spirits.



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Posted 12 September 2010 - 20:13

But I dont agree that his start was good. Button had a good start. Massa too and he even had to lift under the team o..er team strategic decisons. Fernando must do something about that.


Before the race every man and his dog expected Button to be better off the line with his high downforce setup and so it turned out. Massa, as I see it, had a very similar start to Alonso but then gained a) because Alonso attempted to squeeze Button and b) because he was right in Buttons slipstream.

So for me Alonsos description that his start was good but Buttons just better fits right in with that.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 20:17

I on the other hand, as an Alonso fan, hope he makes a habit of it. He gave us quite an erratic season so far.


Erratic but still 3rd in the standing and a title contender. :wave:

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 20:21

I on the other hand, as an Alonso fan, hope he makes a habit of it. He gave us quite an erratic season so far.


I wish this great win gives him confidence in the remaining races :up:

BTW, Alonso didn't look that happy after winning the race, at least that was my impression at that moment. I wonder why.


#4693 wj_gibson

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 20:45

I on the other hand, as an Alonso fan, hope he makes a habit of it. He gave us quite an erratic season so far.


Fair point. He probably should have a 20 point lead over everyone else. Still, Spa aside, he's got some decent momentum going.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 20:50

As the race was finished, and Alonso came to the parc ferme. i was expecting some of his funny gesture like flying aeroplane or spanish donkey or something we saw in bahrain. there was nothing, and he hardlly celebrated it....what could be the reason?

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 20:55

As the race was finished, and Alonso came to the parc ferme. i was expecting some of his funny gesture like flying aeroplane or spanish donkey or something we saw in bahrain. there was nothing, and he hardlly celebrated it....what could be the reason?

Grown up?

#4696 Birelman

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 20:59

Before the race every man and his dog expected Button to be better off the line with his high downforce setup and so it turned out. Massa, as I see it, had a very similar start to Alonso but then gained a) because Alonso attempted to squeeze Button and b) because he was right in Buttons slipstream.

So for me Alonsos description that his start was good but Buttons just better fits right in with that.

How would downforce affect a stationary vehicle?

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 21:09

I wish this great win gives him confidence in the remaining races :up:

BTW, Alonso didn't look that happy after winning the race, at least that was my impression at that moment. I wonder why.


Someone mentioned that on James Allen's blog, and he just said that Alonso was very happy.

Maybe he was a bit overwhelmed by the moment. Not many Ferrari drivers have won at Monza. Hell, its Massa's first time on the podium at Monza. That was probably why he was going crazy. Even Kimi struggled with it when he got his podiums in a Ferrari at Monza. Its his first year in a Ferrari, the pressure is very high. On top of that he has gone from a 41 point deficit to the leader to a 21 point deficit to the leader in the WDC.

Apart from the start, he didn't really put a foot wrong for the rest of the race.

I'm a Ferrari fan, not an Alonso fan, so it is still slightly wierd for me to be cheering him on. But today I was cheering him on like nobody's business. It was up there with Vettel winning at Monza in 2008 and Kimi getting the WDC in Brazil 2007.

Mandzipop is a very happy bunny. :D

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 21:12

How would downforce affect a stationary vehicle?


It doesn't, but a fraction of a second after the lights go out the cars are moving and the downforce becomes an advantage in the low gears when the tyres are still struggling for traction.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 21:16

It doesn't, but a fraction of a second after the lights go out the cars are moving and the downforce becomes an advantage in the low gears when the tyres are still struggling for traction.


:up: Yep. I believe when they reach about 50 km/h, the downforce generated traction starts to play a part.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 21:17

It doesn't, but a fraction of a second after the lights go out the cars are moving and the downforce becomes an advantage in the low gears when the tyres are still struggling for traction.

It also induces drag, I doubt this would be advantageous at that stage, I could be wrong, but doesn't add up to me. If the downforce is enough at that stage to apply pounds of downforce so that there's minimal traction loss while in movement switching from 1st to second, to third it surely is enough to slow the car down with induced drag, after all, "for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction". It's possible to run the numbers, but at a glance it sounds more like the disadvantage would offset the advantage, at least in this case.

Edited by Birelman, 12 September 2010 - 21:18.