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#451 Cirrus

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 10:57

Sunday's Mallory meeting was one of the most enjoyable meetings I've been to for a long time - it had a real traditional clubbie feel to it.

Transits and trailers, rather than artics and Winnebagos...

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#452 Simon Arron

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 11:34

Sunday's Mallory meeting was one of the most enjoyable meetings I've been to for a long time - it had a real traditional clubbie feel to it. Transits and trailers, rather than artics and Winnebagos...

Oddly enough, I had exactly the same Transit/trailer conversation in the paddock.

I will post some pictures before the day is out, but I have rather a lot to edit - and the day job tends to interfere with such things.

#453 Giraffe

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 11:40

.....and a proper mug of coffee in the paddock cafe for £1.20! :love:

#454 Cirrus

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:38

... jumpers for goalposts...

#455 Giraffe

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 18:55

... jumpers for goalposts...


I obviously missed the 5-a-side outside the Scrutineering bay during the lunchbreak...........

Back o/t, Simon Hadfield's boys are bringing cars to Mallory this coming Wednesday morning. :cat:

#456 cyrilmac

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 19:25

I obviously missed the 5-a-side outside the Scrutineering bay during the lunchbreak...........

Back o/t, Simon Hadfield's boys are bringing cars to Mallory this coming Wednesday morning. :cat:

Best I charge the batteries then ! ;)

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#457 Simon Arron

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 21:25

Here are a few from Sunday. I have posted a broader selection within the 'personal photos from historic festivals' thread...

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#458 cyrilmac

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 10:53

Morning all
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Senna's Monaco Ford engined MP4

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#459 cyrilmac

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 11:07

Maestro at work !
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#460 mfd

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 11:28

Senna's Monaco Ford engined MP4

Lanzante MS there then?

#461 f1steveuk

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 11:55

Lanzante MS there then?

How did Paul get his hands on that!!??

#462 cyrilmac

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 12:11

Yes and I don't know are the answers to the above.
Sadly I had to leave at 10.45 before it ran but while in the pits there appeared to be difficulties in firing up the engine. Interesting to see the old laptops being used.
I'll post some more photos as the afternoon goes on - nothing spoiling today !
Met Giraffe who will no doubt have excellent pics to share.
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#463 cyrilmac

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 13:05

Matra in full flight
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Penske also
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#464 mfd

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 14:43

How did Paul get his hands on that!!??

In "livery" for a client, Steve. I'll hazard a guess it will be at the FoS

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 14:58

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Things you never thought you would ever see at Mallory!

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#466 f1steveuk

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 15:21

What? Paul with a laptop??!!

#467 cyrilmac

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 15:27

What? Paul with a laptop??!!

:rotfl: Big hammer just out of sight though.
A pity I had to leave so early.

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#468 Giraffe

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 15:34

Yes and I don't are the answers to the above.
Sadly I had to leave at 10.45 before it ran but while in the pits there appeared to be difficulties in firing up the engine. Interesting to see the old laptops being used.
I'll post some more photos as the afternoon goes on - nothing spoiling today !
Met Giraffe who will no doubt have excellent pics to share.


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The car was MP4 - 8, the Senna Monaco winner owned by Aaron Hsu. A replacement starter for it was collected from McLaren on the way from Guildford to Mallory. Unfortunately it was the wrong one. :blush:

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#469 f1steveuk

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 15:58

On Goodyears? Or has some had some A#*3's altered to look the part. If they have, I admire the attention to detail, if not, I bet they didn't have a lot of grip!

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 16:08

Did the Camel Huron run?

And if so, any pictures? :)


#471 Giraffe

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 16:18

Stuart Graham in the DB4GT he is to share with Richard Attwood at Goodwood

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Rob Hall in Bobby Rahal's Lola T212

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That Huron Daf again

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Paul Knapfield's Brabham BT42 - 6

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& his Penske

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Wolf WR1 - 2

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Ron Maydon's Matra MS80 that will be driven at Goodwood by Emanuele Pirro

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Lola T70

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driven today by Nick Adams

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Interesting visitors that didn't leave the H&H transporter

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Lovely Cooper FJ

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& E-Type

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Lola FJ SL2 / 64

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#472 Giraffe

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 16:21

Did the Camel Huron run?

And if so, any pictures? :)



It managed 2 laps. Carb problems due to the inability to blip the throttle in motion, if you get my drift? It should get up the hill at Goodwood tho'. :wave:

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 17:20

Wolf WR1-2, isn't that just WR2 then? As for the McLaren the model is MP4/8, but I have never seen a chassis number for the winning car, not from McLaren or the FIA, which I always thought was odd!

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 17:24

Did the Camel Huron run?

And if so, any pictures? :)

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Appear to have suffered some "quality control problems" this week (ie Inability to focus ) so apologies for quality this week.

#475 Giraffe

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 17:25

Wolf WR1-2, isn't that just WR2 then? As for the McLaren the model is MP4/8, but I have never seen a chassis number for the winning car, not from McLaren or the FIA, which I always thought was odd!


I'm just reading verbatum off the chassis plate of the Wolf, Steve. It's the Peter Wunch car.

I was assured by a guy tending the MP4/8 that it was the Monaco winning car, and Wayne told me the guy was ex-McLaren. Simon Hadfield repeated this. :wave:

#476 f1steveuk

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 17:37

I'm just reading verbatum off the chassis plate of the Wolf, Steve. It's the Peter Wunch car.

I was assured by a guy tending the MP4/8 that it was the Monaco winning car, and Wayne told me the guy was ex-McLaren. Simon Hadfield repeated this. :wave:


Oh I don't doubt it, I never understood why Wolf (and Tyrrell on their early cars) gave them unique numbers as opposed to chassis numbers, but it was their decision.

Again with the McLaren, it just seemed a bit secretive, the more I asked, the fewer answers I got. Don't the rears on it look narrow!

#477 cyrilmac

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 17:38

Riveting. They just don't make 'em like that any more.A detail from larger pic.Posted Image

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#478 Giraffe

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 18:00

Don't the rears on it look narrow!


Could they be on just to fit the car into the transporter? It sat without wheels most of this morning.


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#479 Pullman99

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 19:38

Looks like I've missed a vintage day at Mallory. Hopefully, catch them at Goodwood. Great pics everyone! :up:


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Posted 23 June 2010 - 20:05

Here's the chassis plate of this MP4-8, N° 5 ?

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#481 Gatmo

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 20:07

The Goodyear's on the McLaren sported Avon stickers on them if that helps........ It was one of those mornings where we didn't expect much to turn up and we got a few things we never expected to come!

As they say in the 0121 area, it was a bostin morning.

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 20:37

Lovely Cooper FJ

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They're letting FJ cars run with two Webers nowadays?

#483 mfd

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 20:44

Could they be on just to fit the car into the transporter? It sat without wheels most of this morning.
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I wouldn't be surprised, original unused Goodyears - The car isn't going to be raced.
Rear wheel widths & tyres were narrower for the 1993 season


#484 Giraffe

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 22:06

They're letting FJ cars run with two Webers nowadays?


I think that's Simon Armer's Cooper T59 from 1962, so yes.

#485 Roger Clark

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 07:22

They're letting FJ cars run with two Webers nowadays?

Didn't they always?

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 07:47

Didn't they always?


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#487 David McKinney

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 08:05

I was thinking FF1600, wasn't I :blush:

The older you get, the more they all start merging together...

Hope I don't get to the stage when I'm arguing about 1950s Auto Union exploits :)

#488 Ted Walker

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 09:12

Post 486 shows a Coventry Climax FPF which always had 2 Webers

#489 llmaurice

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 11:11

Post 486 shows a Coventry Climax FPF which always had 2 Webers


Although some early motors had the twin"Double" SU carbs as per a few Lotus 12s

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 11:56

I wouldn't be surprised, original unused Goodyears - The car isn't going to be raced.
Rear wheel widths & tyres were narrower for the 1993 season


After seeing the rears on the BT42, they just look plain ineffective!!

I'd heard there were quite a few unused sets of Goodyears about, of varying vintages, but I don't think I'd like to push too much on them Mike!!



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Posted 24 June 2010 - 13:06

At one time Mr Hsu also owned an MP4/1, an MP4/3 and an MP4/4 (and probably more..). Does anyone know if he still owns them all? He also owned two McLaren F1s and a Mercedes C11, in which he won at the recent RMU Spa meeting.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 13:10

After seeing the rears on the BT42, they just look plain ineffective!!
I'd heard there were quite a few unused sets of Goodyears about, of varying vintages, but I don't think I'd like to push too much on them Mike!!


Funnily enough Steve, I had someone by yesterday who had comparison tested (another type of car) an experiment for Dunlop, with current tyres against new but ten year old ones of a similar compound. The old tyres were a couple of laps slower to come in, but after that were able to lap with 2/10ths of the new ones. The sticker tyres on the MP4-8 could be a maximum of 17 years old.

Interesting to run a car laden with electronic devices & at the time, although state of the art, it has to be run retrospectively as the software & indeed the laptops are period 1993. I'll ask the man & see what he says, but as the car would have been dormant after it's racing year I doubt the "systems" were anything like upto date.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 13:53

Funnily enough Steve, I had someone by yesterday who had comparison tested (another type of car) an experiment for Dunlop, with current tyres against new but ten year old ones of a similar compound. The old tyres were a couple of laps slower to come in, but after that were able to lap with 2/10ths of the new ones. The sticker tyres on the MP4-8 could be a maximum of 17 years old.

Interesting to run a car laden with electronic devices & at the time, although state of the art, it has to be run retrospectively as the software & indeed the laptops are period 1993. I'll ask the man & see what he says, but as the car would have been dormant after it's racing year I doubt the "systems" were anything like upto date.



Actually Mike, you raise a very interesting point. When these cars become legible for historic F1 races, as eventually they'll have to be, will they be forced to run with "period software" I wonder. I've just spent an interesting couple of days trying to get an old manuscript, of an even older PC (Win98 and even some Amstrad stuff!!) and it wasn't easy, not impossible, just not very easy, so running a software reliant F1 car in years to come could be a bit of a proposition! And yes I know, Reliant never built a Grand Prix car!

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 14:25

I've just spent an interesting couple of days trying to get an old manuscript, of an even older PC (Win98 and even some Amstrad stuff!!) and it wasn't easy, not impossible, just not very easy, so running a software reliant F1 car in years to come could be a bit of a proposition!


I seem to remember this problem being raised about 7 or 8 years ago in relation to several Group C cars (Sauber?). All the Computer Hardware to run them was no longer available so it was going to be difficult to get the cars running again. As they all seem to be out again, obviously a solution was found.


#495 Phil Rainford

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 14:58

Come on, Phil, stop fannying around and get them posted...... :lol:



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While the marshalls at Gerrards exhibit the normal reaction when a group of TNF anoraks are spotted on the horizon :)

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 10:01

After practice last Wednesday morning, I was kindly invited by restorer / racer Simon Hadfield to have a look around his place in Shepshed, not far from Mallory Park. Here are a few images from my visit......

The ex-Jackie Oliver Lotus 26R that he comprehensively damaged at Goodwood.....

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Lotus 51 FF fresh from it's two narrow victories in Dijon. Simon is currently rebuilding a 59 to replace this car....

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The ex-Rupert Keegan March 743 sits next to a Lola project currently being evaluated for Dick Lovett......

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Joaquim Folch's Maserati 250F (2524) next to Irvine Laidlaw's Porsche

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.....in which I do not fit too well..........

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The fabulous ex- Peterson / Schenken Ferrari 312PB. The driver pairing was down to them being the same height!

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Thanks a million for your hospitality, Simon! :wave:

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#497 Tony Matthews

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 11:58

.....in which I do not fit too well..........

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There's a cutaway on the wall that I recognise... Wonder where that came from.

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 16:22

Not really sure where to post this but ....
In the light of todays epic flight ( to add to his Le Mans experience ) by Mr Webber and the assertions of he and Heikki of the difference in the braking power from the front to the back of the grid here was state of the art not so long ago.
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 17:55

I post this in honour of the England football team today...............

It's Hadfield's scrapheap...........


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#500 cyrilmac

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 18:00

I post this in honour of the England football team today...............

It's Hadfield's scrapheap...........


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No Tony . There's real value there...