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#901 Giraffe

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 22:00

Thanks Tim! :wave:

Super Cooper T59 (F1128-59)

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#902 Alan Cox

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 22:16

Super Cooper T59 (F1128-59)

Are you sure it's a T59, Tony? The T59 was the 1962 FJ car with a lower/flatter profile as currently raced by Simon Armer/John Milicevic etc.
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#903 Giraffe

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 22:24

No Alan, just going by the chassis plate!

Willment Climax.......

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#904 Tim Murray

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 22:29

Are you sure it's a T59, Tony? The T59 was the 1962 FJ car with a lower/flatter profile as currently raced by Simon Armer/John Milicevic etc.

According to DCN's Cooper bible it's a '1959 Model 1500 cc Mark IV Formula II' (aka T51). This car (FII/28/59) was originally sold to South Africa.

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#905 Giraffe

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 22:29

Hi All

Dad and I will be there again with the Chinook, its complete with more fuel system mods to try and beat the gremlins which keep stealing all our fuel pressure !

Cheers
Richard


Getting there.... Richard jury-rigs a fuel pressure gauge for emergency monitoring. The Chinook has an alloy foam tank rather than a bag, and this appears to be the root of the problem as it ran perfectly with a full tank today.

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#906 Alan Cox

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 22:35

According to DCN's Cooper bible it's a '1959 Model 1500 cc Mark IV Formula II' (aka T51). This car (FII/28/59) was originally sold to South Africa.

I think the '59' refers to year of construction.

#907 Tim Murray

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 22:41

Yes indeed - '28' is the actual chassis number.

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#908 Giraffe

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 22:42

The Minshaw owned Lola T70 Spyder was being tested by Martin Stretton who is racing it at Goodwood. I was requested to ask Sid how to dial out the bump-steer!

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Oh, and that Carrera is Martin's current roadcar.

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Kent was in Leicestershire once again this morning.......

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#909 Giraffe

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 22:58

Can anyone identify this beast for me? It had gone by the time I got back to the paddock!

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Three wheels on my wagon......Lovely Morgan

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.....courtesy of....

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It just went on...........

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& on............

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....& on..........

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.....& on.....

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...& on..............

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#910 bradbury west

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 23:16

It looks like 3011
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#911 cyrilmac

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 23:19

Great work Tony !! :up: :wave:
Will be there next week.

#912 Giraffe

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 23:38

Simon Hadfield returns to the paddock in Michael Schryver's Lotus 27 after the car had spliffed it's clunge almost pitching him off the track! A kind of suspension related issue I believe, rendering it doubtful for the HSCC meeting at Brands this weekend.

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#913 David McKinney

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 05:51

Can anyone identify this beast for me? It had gone by the time I got back to the paddock!

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As identified by Roger, it has the unique characteristics of the ex-Straight/Bira 1934 Maserati 8CM c/no 3011


#914 Tim Murray

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 06:29

So is this the Peter Giddings car - or does he no longer own it?

#915 Giraffe

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 06:59

Don't know the history of the Brabham but the decal may give someone a clue.........


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#916 Simon Hadfield

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 07:13

I seem to remember that the Escuderia Montjuich' s GT40 was red in the 1969 guards trophy at Snetterton, i remember the car as it did nearly the entire 51 laps with a misfire. And yes it should have been a 50 lap race but the chequered was put out a lap late . the result was declared at 50 laps anyway .lol.

I have to say it does look good in that shade of Blue though.



The car you saw at Snetterton, Pete, would have been AM GT-2, the ex Paul Hawkins car and the second Montjuich GT40, by that time 1019 was with Andrew Fletcher in Scotland.

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 07:24

The BT8 is the Team Rosebud car powered by a 2 Litre BRM engine. It was the first sportscar to do a 100mph lap of Goodwood. Why it is allowed to run with 15" rear wheels is a mystery although we all know why !!!!!!

#918 Giraffe

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 08:26

Shaw's Hairpin......

In.........

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....round...........

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........& out...........

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Andrew Frankel of MotorSport at the wheel.

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#919 Ralf Pickel

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 08:36

So is this the Peter Giddings car - or does he no longer own it?


Hasn´t the car been sold to Chris Jaques a while ago - or do I mix up things (slightly..) ?
But - if its the Straight/Bira car - what flag is on the car ? It does look Mexican ?

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#920 fuzzi

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 08:37

As identified by Roger, it has the unique characteristics of the ex-Straight/Bira 1934 Maserati 8CM c/no 3011


No. Now Chris Jaques of Sussex.

Entered for the Goodwood Revival.

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#921 bradbury west

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 09:04

No. Now Chris Jaques of Sussex.
Entered for the Goodwood Revival.


As it was last year
RL


#922 Alan Cox

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 09:26

The Minshaw owned Lola T70 Spyder was being tested by Martin Stretton who is racing it at Goodwood. I was requested to ask Sid how to dial out the bump-steer!

I notice that the signwriting on the door spells the driver's name 'Dennis'. Can you ask Sid, Tony, if it was misspelt in period on his T70?

#923 Tim Murray

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 10:13

Hasn´t the car been sold to Chris Jaques a while ago - or do I mix up things (slightly..) ?
But - if its the Straight/Bira car - what flag is on the car ? It does look Mexican ?

No. Now Chris Jaques of Sussex.

Entered for the Goodwood Revival.

Thanks chaps. As the car is now back in Bira colours (when did that happen?) the flag must be that of Siam, as featured on the car in period.

#924 Tim Murray

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 10:17

I notice that the signwriting on the door spells the driver's name 'Dennis'. Can you ask Sid, Tony, if it was misspelt in period on his T70?

It certainly was. On page 527 of Motor Sport for June 1966 there's a photo of Hulme in the T70 winning that year's TT, and it definitely says 'DENNIS HULME' on the side - an error repeated in the caption to the photo.

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#925 Ralf Pickel

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 10:32

Thanks chaps. As the car is now back in Bira colours (when did that happen?) the flag must be that of Siam, as featured on the car in period.


Car was rebuilt/restored/repainted, after CJ aquired it, IIRC.
No - the Siamese flag definitely is different (as can be seen on Bira ERAs).


#926 Tim Murray

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 11:03

No - the Siamese flag definitely is different (as can be seen on Bira ERAs).

You're quite right - I should have checked more carefully. :blush:

However, it does appear to be the same as whatever flag or emblem was used on the car in period:

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Could this be Bira's (or Chula's) own personal royal standard?

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 12:16

Car was rebuilt/restored/repainted, after CJ aquired it, IIRC.
No - the Siamese flag definitely is different (as can be seen on Bira ERAs).


The full history and major restoration is in Jenks' book Maserati 3011, which I recommend to all.
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Posted 09 September 2010 - 13:44

Thanks for that info Simon, i can also recall that Fletcher 's GT40 was in the programme but was not seen.

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 15:07

Quote "Michael Schryver's Lotus 27 after the car had spliffed it's clunge" by Giraffe.

This is a new saying we out on the frontier are not familiar with.

Can someone help me out for those who do not speak Giraffe.

Kidding asside Giraffe. Wednesdays mornings are the highlight of my week as I look forward to tuning-in and seeing what wonders you have come across at Mallory. Thank you.

Best Regards,
Barrie Hobkirk, Vancouver CANADA

#930 David McKinney

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 16:34

Well, a spliff is a funny cigarette, and although I suspect Giraffe didn't know, clunge is not a word for a family publication :)

My guess is it was a quote from someone brought up in the Goon Show age (though surely Simon Hadfield's too young for that?)

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 07:39

You're quite right - I should have checked more carefully. :blush:

However, it does appear to be the same as whatever flag or emblem was used on the car in period:

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Could this be Bira's (or Chula's) own personal royal standard?


Still, looks like a Mexican flag to me..

But why is it on that car´s bonnet ?

Also, on that photo the car is in Bira/Siamese colours, Bira blue and yellow chassis/wheels, I think.

Edited by Ralf Pickel, 10 September 2010 - 07:41.


#932 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 09:09

Also, on that photo the car is in Bira/Siamese colours, Bira blue and yellow chassis/wheels, I think.

Very true, but (checking through the 3011 book) there seems to have been some sort of emblem there from the time the Bira team acquired the car. Interestingly, though, it's not always the same one. Here are two photos from 1938 events, when the car was still all-blue:

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The first one looks like the Siamese flag, and the second is the mystery flag. If it turns up at Mallory again, perhaps one of the TNF team could get a good photo of it.

#933 fuzzi

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 09:20

Car was rebuilt/restored/repainted, after CJ aquired it, IIRC.
No - the Siamese flag definitely is different (as can be seen on Bira ERAs).


I can't help with the flag (although I believe the national flag of Siam/Thailand changed around the time of WWII), the car has been repainted White Mouse Stable blue as the owner has family links to the Stable.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 09:26

I can't help with the flag (although I believe the national flag of Siam/Thailand changed around the time of WWII), the car has been repainted White Mouse Stable blue as the owner has family links to the Stable.


I have checked this - according to Wikipedia, which not always is spot on, of course, the flag is still the same.


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Posted 10 September 2010 - 20:01

Is that every Wednesday then? I'll have a ride there soon if that's the case! :-)


#936 Giraffe

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:27

Well, a spliff is a funny cigarette, and although I suspect Giraffe didn't know, clunge is not a word for a family publication :)

My guess is it was a quote from someone brought up in the Goon Show age (though surely Simon Hadfield's too young for that?)


Close but no cigar, David. It was actually 'borrowed' from the Scottish chef in an episode of " The Rise and Fall of Reginald Perrin". As I was unsure what had actually befallen the Lotus 27, it seemed appropriate! Apologies David! :blush:

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:53

Is that every Wednesday then? I'll have a ride there soon if that's the case! :-)


You better believe it is every Wednesday .... make the trip :up:


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#938 mfd

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 22:34

It was actually 'borrowed' from the Scottish chef in an episode of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_and_Rise_of_Reginald_Perrin

Edited by mfd, 10 September 2010 - 23:39.


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Posted 14 September 2010 - 18:51

Hi,

thinking of going along tomorrow - does anyone please have any advice on whether it'll be worth it; or will everyone be down at Goodwood?

Thanks, Tony

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 20:24

It will be well worth it, normally one of the busiest and best mornings of the season.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 20:35

It will be well worth it, normally one of the busiest and best mornings of the season.


I'll be paying my first visit to Mallory since about 79. :)

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 20:43

I haven`t tried it yet, but having had a good chat with Girraffe at the Masters at Donington Park, may be tempted one of these days. Hope the weather stays good, Wednesdays at Mallory have been like :cool: Summer :cool: all year (hope I haven`t cursed it now! :rolleyes: ) ...enjoy guys...Keith M

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 21:10

Here's a handy guide for any newcomers to the weekly extravaganza should you need assistance.;)

TNF Staff list:

Race Control - Gatmo
Chief Photographers [track] - Cyrilmac, Phil Rainford
Chief Paddock Photographer - Giraffe
Paddock Gossip authorities - Giraffe [with assistant Cyril] :eek:
Chief Test Driver - Simon Hadfield
Editor at Large - Simon Arron
Northern Correspondents at Large - Alan Cox, Alansart

Further posts will be filled in due course......

Edited by Gatmo, 14 September 2010 - 21:32.


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Posted 14 September 2010 - 21:26

Do you still drive in thro' this farm-type place?

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If the can-lad's job is still vacant, I'd like to apply for that position.  ;)

#945 Gatmo

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 21:31

The old stables are now the main circuit office, converted in the mid 80's.

#946 Giraffe

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 21:42

& the pub's gone............ :cry:

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 21:49

Look forward to it tomorrow :)

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 21:55

Do you still drive in thro' this farm-type place?

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If the can-lad's job is still vacant, I'd like to apply for that position. ;)


The grandstand in the background is now a bench. But it's a very nice bench :)

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 09:46

The TNF team should be seeing Frank Sytner's Lotus 24 today, having a last-minute pre-Festival test to check a repaired diff and engine.

Paul M

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#950 Giraffe

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 12:12

The TNF team should be seeing Frank Sytner's Lotus 24 today, having a last-minute pre-Festival test to check a repaired diff and engine.

Paul M


And it's good morning from Mallory Park................


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....and a warm welcome to Indy 500 winner & US racing legend, Bobby Rahal. :wave:

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Bobby told me he reckoned they'd cured the fuel surge problems that hampered his CER racing at Silverstone last weekend.

Julian Bronson was shaking down his McLaren..........

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Julian told me that he thinks "the Mallory thread is the best thread on the best forum on the web!" ....& who is to argue?

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A remarkable turnout of TNFers at Mallory this morning, hopefully all of whom will contribute to this thread during the coming hours. I ventured into the Control Tower at 10.20am approx and within a minute of being up there witnessed this lovely Corvette cartwheeling end-over-end through the John Cooper Esses into the barriers. The driver emerged seemingly unscathed..............

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The same could not be said for the car..........

Mike Peters seemed very unfamiliar with this BRM P261, stalling it several times before eventually leaving the paddock

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