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#1251 Giraffe

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 18:52

Simon Hadfield told me today that he was there yesterday; what did he bring with him? :wave:

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#1252 thebullet

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 18:54

I didn't see his transporter actually. I heard he was in one of the garages though! possibly that red car?

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#1253 Simon Hadfield

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 19:06

Simon Hadfield told me today that he was there yesterday; what did he bring with him? :wave:



Nothing, we were there for the first test, yesterday was too wet to be worth running anything. We do need to do wet running with a lot of our cars but it makes more sense to get them running properly in the dry first! That and its really cold at the moment - Val and Terry's breakfasts are best savoured when the days are slightly warmer and dryer.

#1254 Tim Murray

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 19:08

I really ought to know what that red car #50 is, but I can't think. Help!

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All becomes clear now - it's a Daren Mk 2. Thank you!

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#1255 Phil Rainford

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 19:13

Val and Terry's breakfasts are best savoured when the days are slightly warmer and dryer.


One of the best breakfasts I have sampled anywhere :clap:

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#1256 alansart

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 20:05

One of the best breakfasts I have sampled anywhere :clap:

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They are pretty good. Afterwards, you don't need lunch. In fact you probably don't need to eat for about 3 days :)


#1257 thebullet

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 20:28



This is just one, I will upload some more soon :)

1080p is the best if your internet can take it!

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#1258 Giraffe

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 22:30

Nothing, we were there for the first test, yesterday was too wet to be worth running anything. We do need to do wet running with a lot of our cars but it makes more sense to get them running properly in the dry first! That and its really cold at the moment - Val and Terry's breakfasts are best savoured when the days are slightly warmer and dryer.


Misread that one, Simon. :blush: Great Autosport profile today! :clap:

#1259 thebullet

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 23:12

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#1260 alansart

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 23:27

Like the panning and slow shutter speed :up:

#1261 thebullet

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 23:28

Like the panning and slow shutter speed :up:



Thanks mate! just trying out what the 7D can do with my 50mm 1.8 :)

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 23:52

Thanks mate! just trying out what the 7D can do with my 50mm 1.8 :)


Tried the same thing with my Olympus and failed miserably :(

#1263 MODE

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 00:01

Nothing, we were there for the first test, yesterday was too wet to be worth running anything. We do need to do wet running with a lot of our cars but it makes more sense to get them running properly in the dry first! That and its really cold at the moment - Val and Terry's breakfasts are best savoured when the days are slightly warmer and dryer.


Hi Mister Hadfield, do we have a chance to see this wonderful Matra on a track in Europe this year ?



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Posted 25 February 2011 - 00:08

Hi Mister Hadfield, do we have a chance to see this wonderful Matra on a track in Europe this year ?


I think the Matra's are run by Hall & Hall.

But what a lovely noise :love:


#1265 elansprint72

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 00:08

.............Jan Lammers old F1 included! but after a couple of laps ended up in the barriers :/

Photos up soon.


No serious damage, I hope.

#1266 thebullet

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 00:09

Yesterday?

I wasn't having much luck yesterday, my telephoto lens was being awful.

#1267 thebullet

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 00:21

Tried the same thing with my Olympus and failed miserably :(



No serious damage, I hope.


Not really, just lot the front end and got muddy. I ran down but they had already put it away so my shots aren't great.

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Even the driver got stuck in!

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#1268 thebullet

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 09:50

Some more videos for you all...

Matra B


Mini and Aston


Aston running through the gears


Matthew

#1269 elansprint72

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 16:30

The Matras were ten a penny again today. Which is nice.
Mr Rainford and I braved the arctic wind on the frozen steppes of Mallory, which has so much earth-moving going on it looks a bit like Donington!

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4x4 driver gets frostbite... did he forget his gloves?
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That roll-over bar is at nose height, or just below.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 16:41

Even though it is March I'll call this one "Winter Project", damn, it was chilly! :)

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Got to love the B16 shape and it sounded nearly as good as the Matras too.
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#1271 elansprint72

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 16:51

From the same drawing board as the B16.

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Coventry engineering.
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#1272 Giraffe

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 16:57

That looks like Mike Wrigley's B16?
Messrs Taylor & Rainford, you are braver men than I! My first Wednesday visit (of 16) last year to Mallory was on April 14th, and it was firkin' freezin' then! :cry:

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#1273 Giraffe

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 17:00

From the same drawing board as the B16.


Is that a Chevron T70 Spider then Pete?!?! :cat:


#1274 Alan Cox

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 17:05

That roll-over bar is at nose height, or just below.

As it was when SCM won the '61 Gold Cup. Was it Stuart Rolt at the wheel?

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 17:06

Is that a Chevron T70 Spider then Pete?!?! :cat:


Who drew the bodywork? :rolleyes:


#1276 thebullet

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 17:08

Is that Mr Hadfield out and about?

Couldn't make it today, weather seems a little better than last time.

#1277 Giraffe

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 17:08

Who drew the bodywork? :rolleyes:


The T70 Mk3B maybe (Peter Jackson), a quite different animal both outside & under the skin. :)

(The earlier T70s were by John Frayling, all produced by Specialised Mouldings, admittedly).

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#1278 Phil Rainford

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 19:51

I took about an hour for the blood to return to my fingers once I left Mallory this morning ........and I was wearing gloves unlike Peter :eek:

Anyway it was worth it :)

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Mr Hadfield became rather emotional when he was informed that Giraffe was once again a DNS :)


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Posted 02 March 2011 - 20:01

The T70 Mk3B maybe (Peter Jackson), a quite different animal both outside & under the skin. :)

(The earlier T70s were by John Frayling, all produced by Specialised Mouldings, admittedly).



Jim Clark, actually.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 20:05

I took about an hour for the blood to return to my fingers once I left Mallory this morning ........and I was wearing gloves unlike Peter :eek:

Anyway it was worth it :)

PAR


Indeed it was but one thing is lacking from both our sets of photos- the old currant bun. When I got home it were cracking t'flags, at least six degrees and lovely sunshine. :)

#1281 Giraffe

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 20:09

Jim Clark, actually.


He did the Mk111 Coupe which came later.

#1282 Phil Rainford

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 20:09

I was well aware of this 4WD project

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But I had no idea that there was ever a 4WD Tyrell that saw the light of day :eek:

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 20:17

Gosh ! Your braver than me standing around the steppes of Mallory, I take my hat off to you gentleman and thanks for sharing the pics, the sound of the Matra must have been worth braving the cold on it's own :up:

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 20:17

Nice photos, wish I could have been there to take some myself!

#1285 elansprint72

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 20:29

He did the Mk111 Coupe which came later.


From the "Jim Clark of Specialised Mouldings thread:


Aug 12 2009, 11:21
According to the book "Chevron, the Derek Bennett Story" by David Gordon, Derek Bennett completed the basic design of the B16, but called in Jim Clark to make sure "everything was done properly". Jim created a plaster plug, from which SM made the prototype's fibreglass body, but Derek was unimpressed with the initial performance of the car, and said that it would be the last time he took outside advice.
Post SM, Jim returned in 1975 to help design the bodywork for the Formula 3 B34, and somewhat later, he designed the bodywork for the stillborn Chevron roadcar.
New Zealander Clark was credited with the design of the Lola T70 bodywork while he was at SM, the first racing car to use carbon fibre re-inforcement.
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 ;)



#1286 Simon Arron

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 20:40

I had no idea that a 4WD Tyrrell saw the light of day :eek:

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No, but Tyrrell occasionally ran a Matra MS84, which was conceptually close...

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 20:44

No, but Tyrrell occasionally ran a Matra MS84, which was conceptually close...


Beat me to it- I could not remember the numbers! Are any of those still in running order?

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 20:47

As it was when SCM won the '61 Gold Cup. Was it Stuart Rolt at the wheel?


Alan,
I'm sorry I don't know, Phil has posted a shot which shows the driver's face.

#1289 Phil Rainford

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 21:01

No, but Tyrrell occasionally ran a Matra MS84, which was conceptually close...


True :up:

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#1290 Phil Rainford

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 21:07

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Not driven in anger while I was there :cry:


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#1291 Giraffe

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 21:21



New Zealander Clark was credited with the design of the Lola T70 bodywork while he was at SM, the first racing car to use carbon fibre re-inforcement.
Giraffe


;)



Indeed, the Coupe.

#1292 elansprint72

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 22:05

Indeed, the Coupe.


Holy Christ on a bike, who do you think I am, Claire Voyant? If you are going to play the Pedant, at least get the cap from C&SC (like wot Sarge and I did) and then put full details in your posts before tossing the argue.

"New Zealander Clark was credited with the design of the Lola T70 bodywork while he was at SM, the first racing car to use carbon fibre re-inforcement."

I was once credited with being the second coming; but it did not work out. :rolleyes: Hesitates to ask but: are you sure about the carbon-fibre bit? Coupe, spyder, office tea-trolley....?

Before anyone from either of the new worlds thinks that giraffe and elansprint are falling out here; this is what passes for badinage hereabouts in Olde Englande; no need to take sides- we are just two old racing-farts passing the time of day. :smoking:

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 22:10

A few more....

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Phil,
I need to show you my Photoshop... Levels; Shadows and Highlights presentation; the students fall for it all the time.  ;) Wish that it was so easy back in '77. :rolleyes:

#1294 Tim Murray

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 22:16

This is how Ian Bamsey described the design of the Lola T70 coupe body in Lola T70 V8 Coupes - A Technical Appraisal:

The T70 coupe body had started as a sketch by Broadley – straight from his head – and it was refined with the assistance of Specialised Mouldings’ boss Peter Jackson and his aerodynamicist Jim Clark, aside from the inputs of Scibor-Rylski, Southgate and fellow Lola draughtsman Mike Smith. Ultimately the coupe’s form was the shape that looked right to Broadley, and that was a shape which cut right across conventional wisdom.


(Professor Scibor-Rylski was an aerodynamics expert at City University, where Tony Southgate went to test quarter-scale models in their wind tunnel.)


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Posted 02 March 2011 - 22:18

Phil,
I need to show you my Photoshop... Levels; Shadows and Highlights presentation; the students fall for it all the time.  ;) Wish that it was so easy back in '77. :rolleyes:


No editing involved over here! :cool:

#1296 Giraffe

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 22:23

John Frayling did the Lola T70s MkI & II & New Zealander Jim Clark the MkIII Coupe, which was the first racing car to use carbon fibre re-inforced bodywork. Both these gentlemen worked for Specialised Mouldings (Peter Jackson), so it is conceivable that both the T70 Mk111 & the Chevron B16 came from the same drawing board in the literal sense. The Lola sportscar pictured was originally built in GRP (Glass Reinforced Plastic).
(I was sounding like another eminent TNFer tonight; apologies for that Pete.) :blush:

Edited by Giraffe, 02 March 2011 - 22:33.


#1297 elansprint72

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 22:53

John Frayling did the Lola T70s MkI & II & New Zealander Jim Clark the MkIII Coupe, which was the first racing car to use carbon fibre re-inforced bodywork. Both these gentlemen worked for Specialised Mouldings (Peter Jackson), so it is conceivable that both the T70 Mk111 & the Chevron B16 came from the same drawing board in the literal sense. The Lola sportscar pictured was originally built in GRP (Glass Reinforced Plastic).
(I was sounding like another eminent TNFer tonight; apologies for that Pete.) :blush:


No worries, Bruce; as they say in Bullamakanka. :smoking:

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 23:34

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Please remind me which Aston this is. The reg no. is not from a Project car, so I presume it is the well-known re-creation car, not built from the Hetreed wreck.
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#1299 Tim Murray

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 23:56

This isn't the so-called Hetreed car, but a more recently-built replica. From the section called 'Replicas' in the Wiki article on the 214:

The second car is much more recently built, being built for by Martin Brewer of Runnymede Motor Company, but the build was apparently started (according to the Aston Martin Owners Club) alongside the aforementioned replica. It was built up using DB4/559/L as the basis. Completed in 2005, it was given the registration number ‘DSL 449’, but has since been re-registered as ‘5 BVY’ in order that it might closely resemble the surviving, original car: ‘5 NBP’. This car has appeared at the Le Mans Legends race on 16 June 2007.


This info would appear to have been taken from the following post in 'the other place':

http://www.ten-tenth...amp;postcount=7

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 00:05

Thanks, Tim. I assumed as much, but am not too au fait with all the replicas. The small side intakes alongside the rad intake are lower set on 5NBP than on XMO88, and I know the other Friedrichs not-ex-Hetreed replica - so well executed btw -, well documented in the magazines many years ago and disowned by the AMOC, IIRC. Still, both are nice tributes
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