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#1751 Giraffe

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 16:45

RS250 told me it was the car out of the Donington Collection! I paid no particular attention to the car (obviously). :blush:

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#1752 Alan Cox

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 17:40

RS250 told me it was the car out of the Donington Collection! I paid no particular attention to the car (obviously). :blush:

Sadly not - It's John Delane's FJ 18 which Rob Hall is often seen testing at Wednesday Mallory tests. The Moss Monaco-winner may be out some time soon, as it is due to perform at Cholmondeley in July.

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 18:02

Sadly not - It's John Delane's FJ 18 which Rob Hall is often seen testing at Wednesday Mallory tests. The Moss Monaco-winner may be out some time soon, as it is due to perform at Cholmondeley in July.


Will they leave the side panels off?

#1754 RS250

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 21:41

Doh!

#1755 thebullet

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 22:36

Looks like another Mallory filled wednesday for me this week :)

#1756 cyrilmac

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 15:25

Afternoon All ! A beautiful morning at Mallory today with some great cars - I'll leave the action shots to others. :wave:

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Last one for the moment.

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#1757 thebullet

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 16:17

Nice shots, that Matra one is awesome.

Mine will be sorted tomorrow I think!

#1758 cyrilmac

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 16:28

Nice shots, that Matra one is awesome.

Mine will be sorted tomorrow I think!


Thank you - sorry I missed you.


#1759 Giraffe

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 16:35

Nice shots, that Matra one is awesome.


Didn't think you were that close to the ground Cyril! ;)

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#1760 cyrilmac

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 16:39

Didn't think you were that close to the ground Cyril! ;)


Made the mistake of reading a creative photo magazine ! Back now killing me. Interesting morning tho' Tony - so many E-Type's so often .


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Posted 25 May 2011 - 16:42

Didn't think you were that close to the ground Cyril! ;)


He tripped and fell - The shutter went off accidentally....

#1762 thebullet

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 16:43

Thank you - sorry I missed you.


No problem, I saw RS250 when I was sat at the hairpin, I was walking all over the place today.

:)

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 17:08

Last one today - fell over again - with my 110 instamatic, couldn't afford colour film back then ... sniff! :up:

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#1764 thebullet

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 21:19

I was getting interest from other drivers,

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and getting distracted by this amazingly fast Supersport bike of Ben Wilson. His team booked the track for around 45 mins in the dinner break for a clear track. I have never seen a bike go round Mallory so fast.

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Nostalgia stuff going on tomorrow :)


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Posted 26 May 2011 - 19:24

Whilst I go through and sort photos from yesterday now I have time, here is one for all you Matra and huge mud bank fans? :drunk:

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More to follow soon.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 20:14

I was reading a post by Giraffe on another thread in which he said that it's not unusual for there to be over 70 cars at a Wednesday Mallory session. Is there any way of knowing on which weeks we are likely to see this sort of turnout, as it would certainly make a trip down from my part of the north worth considering?

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 20:26

Whilst I go through and sort photos from yesterday now I have time, here is one for all you Matra and huge mud bank fans? :drunk:

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More to follow soon.

Matthew


Looks like Paul Ricard... except the grass is too green. And there are no cicadas. :)

#1768 Phil Rainford

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 20:28

I was reading a post by Giraffe on another thread in which he said that it's not unusual for there to be over 70 cars at a Wednesday Mallory session. Is there any way of knowing on which weeks we are likely to see this sort of turnout, as it would certainly make a trip down from my part of the north worth considering?



I know it doesn't answer your question Stuart but half the fun of turning up at Mallory on a Wednesday is that you have no idea of what you are going to see..........it is like opening your presents at Christmas. Could be a pair of socks or a bottle of the best Malt Whisky

One tip if there is a major historic meeting in Europe at the weekend then the Wednesday preceeding will be devoid of some of the more interesting cars

Get yourself to Mallory !!!!!!!!!!

PAR

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#1769 Davidson10

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 20:41

Thank you for your reply, Phil. It did just strike me that 70+ cars sounded a lot to give everyone a fair crack of the whip in a series of morning sessions.

#1770 Giraffe

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 21:04

Thank you for your reply, Phil. It did just strike me that 70+ cars sounded a lot to give everyone a fair crack of the whip in a series of morning sessions.

9am to 12.30pm rotating half-hour open & closed wheel sessions. Consider the 2 weeks prior to both Goodwoods & the Silverstone Classic.


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Posted 26 May 2011 - 22:40

Right, here we go then, I will do a few now and then the rest tomorrow. Seems forever to get through what to me seems a disappointing set of shots.

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Blimey, that is most of them, tomorrow I will add some from a different angle at the hairpin and one of a yellow benetton that turned up and did 3 laps.

Enjoy,

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#1772 mfd

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 00:18

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Not much clearance inside there :D

#1773 Alan Cox

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 08:52

Not much clearance inside there :D

In period, of course, a driver the height of Simon Hadfield would have had a bulge fitted into the top of the door - à la Colin Crabbe, who had the most enormous 'hump' fitted, and, even then, he had to remove the seat to allow him to sit on the floor pan (Source: 'The Ford that beat Ferrari' Allen/Jones).

#1774 Giraffe

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 09:18

In period, of course, a driver the height of Simon Hadfield would have had a bulge fitted into the top of the door -


IIRC that's the way you identify an ex-Knight Bros. Chevron B8!

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 10:04

The final lot from me,

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This was brilliant to watch, instead of turning it round in the paddock by driving it normally, he just lit the rears up and spun it round F1 style!
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Simon drove the wheels off this!
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#1776 bradbury west

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 14:14

Who was in the blue E Type Coupe? Did we ever see the car being prepared, and discussed here on TNF - rear rim widths and wheel arch issues,- last year by the Ham family?
Roger Lund

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 14:54

Any idea who was driving R1B? Although he usually uses a plain white helemet, could it be Andy Wolfe, who prepares the car?

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 15:05

Any idea who was driving R1B? Although he usually uses a plain white helemet, could it be Andy Wolfe, who prepares the car?


At the second attempt to drive away they forgot to move a battery pack and drove straight into it bringing the car to a halt. 2 specys shouted for them to stop and moved it before carrying on!

#1779 Phil Rainford

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 15:58

Another rubbish Wednesday then :eek:

Is that nose right on the Surtees?


PAR

Edited by Phil Rainford, 27 May 2011 - 15:59.


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Posted 27 May 2011 - 16:10

Another rubbish Wednesday then :eek:

Is that nose right on the Surtees?


PAR


It was at the front ... if that helps Phil :smoking:


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Posted 27 May 2011 - 16:35

In period, of course, a driver the height of Simon Hadfield would have had a bulge fitted into the top of the door - à la Colin Crabbe, who had the most enormous 'hump' fitted, and, even then, he had to remove the seat to allow him to sit on the floor pan (Source: 'The Ford that beat Ferrari' Allen/Jones).


Known as the Gurney Bulge (not to be confused with the Gurney Flap, which is another thing entirely. I can't exactly remember when the bules started to appear, certainly by 66 at Sebring, perhaps earlier?

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 16:44

I never saw Gurney flap, he always seemed fairly laid back to me...

#1783 Alan Cox

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 17:15

I can't exactly remember when the bules started to appear, certainly by 66 at Sebring, perhaps earlier?

From photos that I have looked up, I think that the Gurney/Grant 2nd-place finisher at Daytona 1966 was the first appearance of the bulge, re-appearing at Sebring, and by Le Mans that year, most of the Mark II Fords had them.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 09:46

Who was in the blue E Type Coupe? Did we ever see the car being prepared, and discussed here on TNF - rear rim widths and wheel arch issues,- last year by the Ham family?
Roger Lund

It's not our car Roger - wrong colour, and wire wheels rather than Dunlops! I am wondering if it may be the car campaigned some years ago by Allen Lloyd and Gerry Wainwright? I will PM you some photos of our car for your information. I am happy to report that we (eventually) resolved the wheel/ wheel arch issues and have been having fun in the car since (our primary intention!).

Apologies to others for the slight thread drift.

#1785 thebullet

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 10:07

There was another E-type, being driven sideways through the esses by Mr Stretton.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 10:19

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:40

Another rubbish Wednesday then :eek:

Is that nose right on the Surtees?


PAR

I looked at that and wondered. During the TS14s first runs (Monza 72?) it ran with a smooth nose, but I think during 73 it had two holes in it.

The profile of this one looks more like a TS16 one, but I'm no Surtees expert!

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:51

I looked at that and wondered. During the TS14s first runs (Monza 72?) it ran with a smooth nose, but I think during 73 it had two holes in it.

The profile of this one looks more like a TS16 one, but I'm no Surtees expert!


IIRC the last time this car appeared at Mallory, it had two different nosecones with it. I may even have a photo to support this somewhere. Will try to find it.

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By giraffe138 at 2011-05-28

Here it is in April of last year at Mallory. As you can see, it has a replacement nose. My records tell me it's Chris Perkins' TS16, but I don't know if he's still the owner.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 19:51

IIRC the last time this car appeared at Mallory, it had two different nosecones with it. I may even have a photo to support this somewhere. Will try to find it.

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By giraffe138 at 2011-05-28

Here it is in April of last year at Mallory. As you can see, it has a replacement nose. My records tell me it's Chris Perkins' TS16, but I don't know if he's still the owner.

The yellow one behind is the TS16, the blue ex Pace car is a TS14 and still has Chris Perkins name on the side of the cockpit.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 01:06

...and some bloke called Watson :)

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Hi guys,any more photos of the John Lewis Jaguar E-Type?

#1791 Giraffe

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 09:40

Hi guys,any more photos of the John Lewis Jaguar E-Type?


Can't find any reference to this on the thread?!?! Must have missed something, but for the record, this is John Lewis' "recreation" of CUT 7 pictured at the recent Silverstone Classic media day

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#1792 David Birchall

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 15:21

Giraffe, I don't think it is a replica of CUT7-this car has an interesting history of it's own doesn't it?

Edit: I just looked it up in Philip Porter's wonderful book: This car was originally Protheroe's and he sold it to Roger Mac and bought the Low Drag coupe that became CUT7.

Edited by David Birchall, 29 May 2011 - 15:29.


#1793 Giraffe

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 15:26

Giraffe, I don't think it is a replica of CUT7-this car has an interesting history of it's own doesn't it?

David, I didn't say "replica", I said "recreation". By the paper in the window, it claims to be the real thing, but Ted Walker put me right.


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Posted 29 May 2011 - 15:39

So the original car was written off? Can the story be told here?

Edit: I do seem to recall Bobby Unser stuffing this car into a rock wall some years ago...

Edited by David Birchall, 29 May 2011 - 16:00.


#1795 Giraffe

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 16:11

Ted Walker's reaction to my original post....

Tony That is NOT the original CUT7 . It is John Lewis' re-incarnation of the 2nd version, The original(although unfortunatly "modsports" ) was there now owned by Lord Drayson and run by Martin Stretton.



Ted added....

John Lewis should know better.....

I'll leave Ted to tell the story....

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 17:03

So the original car was written off? Can the story be told here?
Edit: I do seem to recall Bobby Unser stuffing this car into a rock wall some years ago...


If it was the one on the 1989ish? Pirelli Marathon I believe the cause of the crash was a stray local car on a closed mountain epreuve, leaving Unser nowhere to go but a rockface, on Gordon Cruickshank's side of the car IIRC.
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Posted 29 May 2011 - 18:16

Ted Walker's reaction to my original post....

Tony That is NOT the original CUT7 . It is John Lewis' re-incarnation of the 2nd version, The original(although unfortunatly "modsports" ) was there now owned by Lord Drayson and run by Martin Stretton.



Ted added....

John Lewis should know better.....

I'll leave Ted to tell the story....


CUT7 was indeed at Mallory last wednesday being run by Martin Stretton.
Isn't this the car sold by H&H (Simon Hope not Hall & Hall) at their Stoneleigh auction for a vast amount a few years ago?

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 18:28

The yellow one behind is the TS16, the blue ex Pace car is a TS14 and still has Chris Perkins name on the side of the cockpit.

Further to my earlier, rather abrupt posting (sorry Giraffe!), I should add that the TS14 ran with both a 'solid' nose as in Giraffes pic. and a nose with two rectangular slots; presumably to aid airflow to the side mounted radiators.
The TS16 originally ran with a front mounted radiator in the Bang & Olufsen livery and was later updated to side mounted radiators and a 'solid' nose with no inlet. The cockpit surround was also modified and followed the outline of the sidepods rather than the straight edge of the original, front radiatored version.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 18:55

CUT7 was indeed at Mallory last wednesday being run by Martin Stretton.

Which one?

•Protheroe's original CUT7 (later 636CJU) was raced in the earlier 2000s by Nick Whale and Ian Guest and was auctioned by H&H in 2005
•The second CUT7 was later raced by Roger Mac (256CJU) and later still John Lewis (256DJU)
•The third was the low-drag coupé later 738EUT for some years the property of Viscount Cowdray (as CUT 7 again)
•CUT7 was also on a low-drag replica that became the Lynx-built Linder/Nocker replica 5916WK

Protheroe also raced E-types CUT6 and CT8

(Sits back and waits for the flak)

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#1800 Alan Cox

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 19:09

If it was the one on the 1989ish? Pirelli Marathon I believe the cause of the crash was a stray local car on a closed mountain epreuve, leaving Unser nowhere to go but a rockface.

Quote from the teamdan website http://www.teamdan.c...990/june90.html

American superstar Bobby Unser lost all chance of climbing back onto the leaderboard after hitting a bus in his E-type Jaguar in Cortina, Italy. The former Indianapolis winner's car was too badly damaged for him to carry on immediately. He said: "It was a very big bus. It was a shame for us as we were going faster on the first test. The bus made sure we didn't reach the second test".