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#2301 thebullet

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 22:27

Final lot from me, just to show off my new lens :cool: Sorry they are mainly bikes, folks.

It makes cars look like small models
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I am pleased with how sharp it is as it is a 300mm
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A suprise visitor spent atleast an hour circling in the distance.
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A nice depth of field.
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It's all in the eyes!
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Atleast some people notice me!
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And finally, getting the knee down.
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#2302 rwills

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 22:54

The Williams was throwing out smoke, especially as it went into Devil's Elbow, but it was so much faster (when it was running well) than the six-wheeler. Interesting.


The Tyrrell has just been through a total restoration and it was the first run. Joe was tasked with breaking it in, not breaking lap records!

I will race it for the first time next weekend at Portimao so we just needed to make sure it was all ok after the rebuild, bed brakes etc.



#2303 thebullet

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 23:02

The Tyrrell has just been through a total restoration and it was the first run. Joe was tasked with breaking it in, not breaking lap records!

I will race it for the first time next weekend at Portimao so we just needed to make sure it was all ok after the rebuild, bed brakes etc.



Seemed to be going well though, I thought he seemed to be working the breaks well. That explains it.

A video for you!


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#2304 MCS

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 07:41

The Tyrrell has just been through a total restoration and it was the first run. Joe was tasked with breaking it in, not breaking lap records!

I will race it for the first time next weekend at Portimao so we just needed to make sure it was all ok after the rebuild, bed brakes etc.


It looked absolutely terrific :up: Best of luck in Portimao!


#2305 Giraffe

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 08:09

A health warning, Gatmo-guy has his second Christmas this year on Friday.
The man responsable for this thread reaches the Big Four 0, and he told me today that he's taken the day off..... :clap:


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Happy birthday Wayne! Have a great day!


Of course

It claims to be the ex-Russell F2 Cooper-Climax

(But you knew that, didn't you...)


Good to know we've got the Prof uptairs now. :up:

#2306 Giraffe

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 08:14

The Tyrrell has just been through a total restoration and it was the first run. Joe was tasked with breaking it in, not breaking lap records!

I will race it for the first time next weekend at Portimao so we just needed to make sure it was all ok after the rebuild, bed brakes etc.


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Good luck Roger! Take a few pics (& get one of your stickers on it! :up: ) Pink Snail! :wave:

#2307 Simon Hadfield

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 08:51

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Happy birthday Wayne! Have a great day!




Wow , we now even get photos of superstars here on TNF! (but who exactly is the the goofy guy with Wayne - has he ever driven a Mondiale - I think we should be told).


#2308 Ralf Pickel

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 13:44

From his suit I´d say he must be a Vettel fan !

#2309 JSF

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 19:49

Seemed to be going well though, I thought he seemed to be working the breaks well. That explains it.

A video for you!


Nice video.

Rob was flying in the Williams, he lapped in 41.9s

Joe was lapping in 45s taking it easy bedding it in very nicely and doing systems checks during the runs. The brakes havn't turned the greens yet, so no real load gone into them, just nicely conditioned the disks and helped the seals and pads heat cycle ready for some proper work in Portugal.

Lots to learn with the car as there are some quite unique features as you would expect, for example there are 2 sets of brake balance bars to get right, the first is a conventional bar that sets your overall front/rear brake balance. You also have a secondary brake balance bar that sets the bias change between the front front axle and the front rear axle. So you have three brake master cylinders (FF, FR & R), two balance bars (F-R & FF-FR), four brake pushrods (F & R master set, FF & FR secondary set), two four pot calipers, four two pot calipers (which also happen to be the front uprights), twelve brake pads, six brake disks (the fronts dont have disk bells, they float in the front hubs) which have significantly different leverage rates compared to a conventional F1 car, both at the disk and also at the tyre. You also have to use a diferent spec brake fluid due to the front brakes being part of the magnesium uprights, conventional fluids react with magnesium so cant be used. And thats just the brakes sorted. :lol:

The car has now had it's post shakedown checks and will be on it's way to Portugal tomorrow, it should be a very interesting weekend for us all as we learn more about the unique nature of this fantastic piece of F1 history.

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 20:02

Nice video.

Rob was flying in the Williams, he lapped in 41.9s

Joe was lapping in 45s taking it easy bedding it in very nicely and doing systems checks during the runs. The brakes havn't turned the greens yet, so no real load gone into them, just nicely conditioned the disks and helped the seals and pads heat cycle ready for some proper work in Portugal.

Lots to learn with the car as there are some quite unique features as you would expect, for example there are 2 sets of brake balance bars to get right, the first is a conventional bar that sets your overall front/rear brake balance. You also have a secondary brake balance bar that sets the bias change between the front front axle and the front rear axle. So you have three brake master cylinders (FF, FR & R), two balance bars (F-R & FF-FR), four brake pushrods (F & R master set, FF & FR secondary set), two four pot calipers, four two pot calipers (which also happen to be the front uprights), twelve brake pads, six brake disks (the fronts dont have disk bells, they float in the front hubs) which have significantly different leverage rates compared to a conventional F1 car, both at the disk and also at the tyre. You also have to use a diferent spec brake fluid due to the front brakes being part of the magnesium uprights, conventional fluids react with magnesium so cant be used. And thats just the brakes sorted. :lol:

The car has now had it's post shakedown checks and will be on it's way to Portugal tomorrow, it should be a very interesting weekend for us all as we learn more about the unique nature of this fantastic piece of F1 history.



JSF, was it you who tagged my photos on Facebook last night?

I could see you were messing around with the front end quite a lot. What a brilliant car to work on and it's great to see it back on track looking superb :)

#2311 JSF

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 20:04

Yes Alan, great pictures!

#2312 alansart

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 21:20

Yes Alan, great pictures!


I've got a few more of you all playing around with the brakes. I'll post them tomorrow.


#2313 Phil Rainford

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 22:13

Good to see Mallory back on form :)


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#2314 Gatmo

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 22:44


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Happy birthday Wayne! Have a great day!

Wow , we now even get photos of superstars here on TNF! (but who exactly is the the goofy guy with Wayne - has he ever driven a Mondiale - I think we should be told).


:lol: Signed copies are available......... To be honest i was surprised when he stopped me and asked for a photo but you have to keep the fans happy don't you?

Thanks for the kind messages, I have had a great day and feeling rather well refreshed to boot......

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#2315 Duc-Man

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 14:03

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I always thought that only the first version of the P34 had this little windows to watch the front tires. :confused:

#2316 JSF

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 14:38

I always thought that only the first version of the P34 had this little windows to watch the front tires. :confused:


No, there were many versions of the 1977 bodywork, it changed every race.

Peterson's car was the first to have windows in 77, as he was strugling to place the car so asked for them to be installed. By the end of the year the whole top section of the bodywork was perspex.

Brazil January 77 shows Depailler leading with no windows, Peterson behind with small windows.

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Next race in South Africa Depailler now has big windows.

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Late season the top section is perspex

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#2317 alansart

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 15:39

I've got a few more of you all playing around with the brakes. I'll post them tomorrow.


JSF at work.

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#2318 Duc-Man

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 16:16

@ Alan: thanks for educating me. I just knew of the first version from '77.

#2319 Pink Snail

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 17:16

Attn Mr Gaallagher (aka Giraffe): I will be taking pictures at Portimao, Giraffe, and have arranged to pop in and see Mr Wills and the beautiful P34 Tyrrell :love: . As ever, I will be asking all the nice people if they`ll allow me to put Pink Snail on the cars :kiss: ! Although I haven`t seen an entry list as yet, I expect the normal mainland European entires will be there, Joaquin, Abba (his bus is for sale :love: !!!), Nico B, Peter W, and as ever John D, Terry S, Ron M, Roger W of course. Should be a good weekend, shame I couldn`t take 2 weeks off and join them all at Jarama the week after :rolleyes: ...ho hum!
Back on thread, this Mallory testing do is looking quite yummy for 2012 :smoking: , the Historic scene is really getting more attractive with Donington, Goodwood, Silverstone, Cholmondlycestershire and the Historic Superprix at The Hatch all being busy :up: , as well as the Masters Racing Series with the GpC :love: :love: .
I am going to pull out many stops (or win the Euromillions :lol: ) to be at Mallory next year on more than one occasion. It might be an idea to take a few days off leading up to the Donington Festival and camp at Donington as we did this year Giraffe - and make it a holiday :smoking: :drunk: ! (shh...don`t tell the Mrs - she doesn`t know yet!! :p )

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#2320 cyrilmac

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 17:57

These last photos from Alan and JSF are excellent ,what this place is all about.
I regret missing this Wednesday at Mallory,due to a late finish at work.
Sadly after my thirty twenty first birthday I need my sleep ! Strangely last year I seemed to be OK after a 15 hr shift. A warning for you youngsters !!!!!!!

#2321 Redneb

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 22:29

Great shots of a fascinating car, thanks.



#2322 MCS

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 12:10

...However, a special Wednesday after this date is pending.......... :cat:


Meaning?


#2323 Giraffe

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 16:40

Meaning?


Somebody is hoping to get a F5000 special test together before things are wrapped up this year, but this depends on a number of factors that parties are currently working on..... :cat:

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 17:03

Somebody is hoping to get a F5000 special test together before things are wrapped up this year, but this depends on a number of factors that parties are currently working on..... :cat:


Keep us informed please !!


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#2325 alansart

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 17:39

Keep us informed please !!

PAR


Sounds very interesting.


#2326 thebullet

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 08:47

So, a very cold Wednesday! Not much again. A total of 15/16 cars turned up, with a couple turning up later.

Now done all my photos yet but this was a late turn up and stood out from the rest. A lotus 18 I believe (Thanks Giraffe)

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Expect more later...

#2327 PhilG

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 22:58

They said it was Billy Mcconnell! :)


Yes, looks like Billy, team are based there, he lives round the corner from me. His Leathers are from Raceways/Came Yamaha who he rode for previously.


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Posted 22 October 2011 - 12:50

So here is a couple more...

It was a modern car take over this week.

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The racing school turned up at lunch time. 2 big transporters with all sorts of expensive machinery, from Lambos to Ferraris to Single seaters and Lotus Elise'

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:wave:

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:33

So officially this Wednesday is the last test of 2011.

Shall we have a head count as to who will be there?

Well I shall start off with myself :) :wave:

Anyone?

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#2330 Giraffe

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:47

A definate maybe here. :wave:

#2331 thebullet

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 13:15

A definate maybe here. :wave:



Looks like it is us two reliable sources Giraffe :lol:

#2332 Giraffe

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 12:32

Good to see Matthew (thebullet) out bright and early (8.15am!) on yet another sunny, if chilly Mallory morning.....

A reasonably quiet final Wednesday session of the season but with some auspicious visitors.....

Hall & Hall were shaking down this glorious Brabham BT37 for it's new American owner.....

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Simon Hadfield's recently acquired Equity card was put to good use ase he debuted on children's television...

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Simon and his boys brought another couple of familiar cars with them this morning....

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I'm really not certain what this vehicle is, but it was disguised as an E-Type.....

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A neat little Dolly left-hooker.....

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Simon in the Folch GT40 on a track that was very slow to dry out after overnight rain....

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A historic racing dynasty was completed as Sam Mitchell followed in the tracks of father Westie and brother Ben this morning......

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#2333 Alan Cox

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 13:57

A neat little Dolly left-hooker.....

Is that Anthony Robinson's car? If so, I believe it's a genuine ex-Julian Vernaeve Dolomite. He used to drive LHD Dollies in ETC in the late '70s

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 13:58

Is that Anthony Robinson's car? If so, I believe it's a genuine ex-Julian Vernaeve Dolomite. He used to drive LHD Dollies in ETC in the late '70s


His name was on the door and the stickers & patina indicated that it was genuine, Alan.

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 14:29

Somebody is hoping to get a F5000 special test together before things are wrapped up this year, but this depends on a number of factors that parties are currently working on..... :cat:


Any more news about this ?

#2336 Giraffe

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 14:35

Any more news about this ?


No Simon, but i will keep pushing....... :cat:



#2337 thebullet

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 22:15

Really enjoyed today! it was fantastic. Well what a year...

Very happy with this one, cheers Simon!

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 11:05

His name was on the door and the stickers & patina indicated that it was genuine, Alan.

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It was at Spa (see my Facebook pics) and being run by Ken Clarke (ex-TWR).

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 14:29

This is my lot. Linked from my facebook so not the best quality.

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Seemed a fair amount of sidecars due to the sidecar festival at the weekend. Mental these guys! especially the F1 ones.

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#2340 MCS

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 16:33

Some lovely pictures there! Thank you.

I managed to get along three times this year - albeit briefly and/or late on each occasion, regrettably. It was great though. How nice to be able to get so close to such lovely cars and hear the drivers and mechanics talking about their experiences, whilst being effectively a fly on the wall. Fantasy, almost...

Look forward to next year - it's was worth the effort this year.

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#2341 alansart

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 16:54

Some lovely pictures there! Thank you.

I managed to get along three times this year - albeit briefly and/or late on each occasion, regrettably. It was great though. How nice to be able to get so close to such lovely cars and hear the drivers and mechanics talking about their experiences, whilst being almost a fly on the wall. Fantasy, almost...

Look forward to next year - it's was worth the effort this year.



3 for me this year as well, all of them very enjoyable. When I tell others of what's on track they don't quite believe me until they see the photos :)

Thanks to Gatmo for alerting us to it in the first place. Thanks to all the teams and drivers who turn out and put up with us weirdos with cameras, and thanks to all the TNF'ers who add to the day's enjoyment.

I'm looking forward to next year already as well :)

PS. I wouldn't fancy Simon Hadfield's job. Spending hours driving round in GT40's, F5000 Lolas, Lotus 21, 48, F3 March, FF Royale etc, etc. A hard job, but somebody's got to do it! (Where can I find a jealous smilie :) )

#2342 barrykm

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 19:13

Great to see a GT40 with tyres of the original proportions. What a lovely car.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:05

[quote name='thebullet' date='Oct 13 2011, 23:27' post='5337974']
Final lot from me, just to show off my new lens :cool: Sorry they are mainly bikes, folks.

It makes cars look like small models
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Modern days helmets makes tem look like smaoll models.

Compare that photo to Peterson's P34 and you'll notice even more. It also eems that today's guys don't sit the same way.
Thicker seats?
Whatever the answer is, they look taller - and Peterson WAS TALL. So?



#2344 seccotine

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:07

Misspelling :

"Modern days helmets makes them look like small models."

#2345 JSF

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 13:20


Final lot from me, just to show off my new lens :cool: Sorry they are mainly bikes, folks.

It makes cars look like small models
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Modern days helmets makes tem look like smaoll models.

Compare that photo to Peterson's P34 and you'll notice even more. It also eems that today's guys don't sit the same way.
Thicker seats?
Whatever the answer is, they look taller - and Peterson WAS TALL. So?


Joe is actually sat on the floor of the tub and with his back against the rear bulkhead, there is no seat in the car bar a bit of temporary padding. I think you would be astonished if you saw the original seat that we have for the car, you would have to be quite a small chap to stand any chance of using it. If you look at the Peterson pictures you can see he sits further back in the car than Depailler, it looks like he is similar to Joe in having very little in the way of a seat back.

The car went well in Portimao, Roger qualified 5th, finished 4th in race one and then finished on the Podium in 3rd for race two, behind a ground effect Brabham and McLaren.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 14:59

I'm really not certain what this vehicle is, but it was disguised as an E-Type.....

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Must be the evil twin...it certainly looks like it. :p

@JSF: any plans to bring the P34 to Germany for any events next year?

#2347 JSF

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 16:20

Must be the evil twin...it certainly looks like it. :p

@JSF: any plans to bring the P34 to Germany for any events next year?


I dont know how next year will plan out for Roger at the moment, keep an eye on Roger's website for updates. http://www.rogerwillsracing.com/

#2348 thebullet

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 08:45

Mallory's website still shows 2 more weeks of testing :confused:

#2349 Giraffe

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 08:47

Mallory's website still shows 2 more weeks of testing :confused:


Their seasonal calendar of events also, but the Mallory office says not. :well:

#2350 thebullet

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 09:15

Hmm. I never find the Mallory office too helpful myself, maybe Gatmo will know?