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#2551 thebullet

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 12:18

Right, here it goes...

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I have to say, this one made me smile...
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Hi Simon!
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I was shooting many for Aj Owen, he spotted me here.
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A return for Mr Stretton.
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#2552 thebullet

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 12:18

Sorry... had to split the posts, too many images!

Drag racing!
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Some sort of PTCC car. Very nice.
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#2553 garyfrogeye

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 12:25

Lovely shot of the WSM :D

#2554 Phil Rainford

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 12:43

Worth the wait :clap:

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#2555 thebullet

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 13:18

And that wasn't them all... we had Clios, Ginettas, BMW's, 750mc stuff. Awesome day.

#2556 alansart

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 13:47

Looks good and still nice and warm. It was bloody freezing at Oulton today!

#2557 thebullet

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 15:26

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#2558 alansart

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 15:42

Nice. Martin Stretton?



#2559 David McKinney

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 16:02

That's what the caption says :)

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#2560 Duc-Man

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 09:26

I got a question Matthew. In you fb album are a white w/ green car #32 and a black w/ yellow singleseater sportscar. What are those and what category is that sportscar racing in?

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:40

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This is a Ginetta, it would race in a series that is on the British Touring Car Championship support package. Fast cars!

Are you talking about this one? this is a Caterham or Westfield, I struggle to tell the difference sometimes. There are different championships for this, Caterham graduates for younger drivers. There is Caterham academy or just Caterham racing in general split into groupes. Some of these have motorbike engines and can race in the 750mc. There are so many different types about, also very fast cars as they are so light. Club level stuff!

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That is just a brief ramble of information, hopefully you can make some sense of it.

#2562 Duc-Man

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:01

I hope you dont mind if I post your picture.
I meant this one:
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And to my shame, I had no idea that Ginetta is still around (Whoooooops). I thought they closed down around the same time as TVR. That car is sexy.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:20

And to my shame, I had no idea that Ginetta is still around (Whoooooops). I thought they closed down around the same time as TVR. That car is sexy.


I should think so too! If you watch BTCC on ITV4 on Sunday you will see two very successful Ginetta series, particularly the Junior Championship which is breeding some very respectable young (14yr old) talent.


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Posted 31 March 2012 - 12:19

I should think so too! If you watch BTCC on ITV4 on Sunday you will see two very successful Ginetta series, particularly the Junior Championship which is breeding some very respectable young (14yr old) talent.


Ginetta seems to have been a bit of a success story over the last few years. Several Championships in various sizes of cars.

These two were at Oulton yesterday.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:48

The 'other-half' has (finally!) uploaded some pics from last week's session. Enjoy.

http://www.lsphotos....k-testing-2012/

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:24

The 'other-half' has (finally!) uploaded some pics from last week's session. Enjoy.

http://www.lsphotos....k-testing-2012/


I like those. Some unusual angles :)


#2567 Ted Walker

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:32

As the title of this thread is HISTORIC fans .......... why are we being shown all this modern cr.p ???????

#2568 Giraffe

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:49

As the title of this thread is HISTORIC fans .......... why are we being shown all this modern cr.p ???????


I'm glad you said it before me Ted. I think some photographers here have got a bit carried away..... :rolleyes:

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:13

It would be pretty thin gruel if it restricted itself to historic F1 cars, about one a month if we were very lucky - I am quite happy to have a gander at anything that turns up on a Wednesday, including 2CVs cornering on 2 wheels and a doorhandle...

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:23

It would be pretty thin gruel if it restricted itself to historic F1 cars, about one a month if we were very lucky - I am quite happy to have a gander at anything that turns up on a Wednesday, including 2CVs cornering on 2 wheels and a doorhandle...


I think you've missed the point Bloggsworth.......... :well:

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:59

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I'm a bit of a dunce on Lotus type numbers so I'm looking for help here - This excellent shot of Matt's looks to feature the same model of Lotus as a period photo I have in the archives (below) which has so far failed to find a confirmed identity.

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I know this one was taken at Warwick Farm, Aus' - but who's the driver? And What model of Lotus is it (even assuming it IS a Lotus.....)?

Can anyone help?

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:11

I only normally post the Nostalgia stuff that turns up, the only reason I posted photos this time was to explain to Duc-Man what they are after he questioned what championships they ran in.

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#2573 David McKinney

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:17

The top one looks like an FJ 20 or 22

The Australian car is a newer model, possibly an ex-F2 32

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:35

The top one looks like an FJ 20 or 22

The Australian car is a newer model, possibly an ex-F2 32


Can't be a 32 with outboard front suspension - might be a much-modded 22.

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#2575 Tim Murray

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:39

I suggest posting the photo on one of the Aussie threads - I don't know whether any of them visit this thread.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:02

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I'm a bit of a dunce on Lotus type numbers so I'm looking for help here - This excellent shot of Matt's looks to feature the same model of Lotus as a period photo I have in the archives (below) which has so far failed to find a confirmed identity.

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I know this one was taken at Warwick Farm, Aus' - but who's the driver? And What model of Lotus is it (even assuming it IS a Lotus.....)?

Can anyone help?


Top one looks like Type 20 rear end with a Type 22 nose.

The Australian looks like it has a 22 type nose too !

#2577 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 13:19

I suggest posting the photo on one of the Aussie threads - I don't know whether any of them visit this thread.


... they get everywhere ! :wave:

#2578 Giraffe

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 06:20

Snowing here in Birmingham so I think I'll give another Mallory Wednesday morning a miss! :well:

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 06:47

If you can date the photo I could probably pin it down more accurately , however it could well be a car I restored .
Could be Lotus 20 , 20-J-965 after it went to new owner Reg Papps and Sons Team who updated it quite well with
top camber links at rear , inboard rear discs etc.
The car in the photo looks like it is still on 13.0'' front and 15.0'' diameter wheels as per standard Lotus 20 , if it is
the Reg Papps car later on it had 13.0'' all round of 8.0'' and 10.0'' widths or thereabout.
Due to the updates the team entered it as a Lotus 31 even though we never had any such model run in Australia.

Happy to pin it down with some more information if such exists.

Bryan Miller.

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#2580 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:35

If you can date the photo I could probably pin it down more accurately , however it could well be a car I restored .
Could be Lotus 20 , 20-J-965 after it went to new owner Reg Papps and Sons Team who updated it quite well with
top camber links at rear , inboard rear discs etc.
The car in the photo looks like it is still on 13.0'' front and 15.0'' diameter wheels as per standard Lotus 20 , if it is
the Reg Papps car later on it had 13.0'' all round of 8.0'' and 10.0'' widths or thereabout.
Due to the updates the team entered it as a Lotus 31 even though we never had any such model run in Australia.

Happy to pin it down with some more information if such exists.

Bryan Miller.


Many thanks Bryan. Afraid no other info is known, there's nothing written on the back of the photo, but it certainly sounds like it's the car you mention. Did Reg drive it himself?

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:46

His son drove it , Reg Papps Junior.

There are other cars it could be , I have all Warwick Farm programmes so will go through
them and see if I can pick the race number against the car in a programme sometime
between 1965-68 I would think.

Bryan.

#2582 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:04

His son drove it , Reg Papps Junior.

There are other cars it could be , I have all Warwick Farm programmes so will go through
them and see if I can pick the race number against the car in a programme sometime
between 1965-68 I would think.

Bryan.


:up: Many thanks.

#2583 BT 35-8

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:09

Simon,

Really interesting exercise going through all the old Warwick Farm Programmes .
I am only able to come up with two suspects if I am correct in reading the car as # 23 .

Ist is R.Young [ Bob ] in the ex Leo Geoghegan Lotus 22 [ 22-J-49] but for all the world the
car in your mystery photo looks like it is on 13.0'' diameter fronts and 15.0'' rears as per std.
Lotus 20 spec. whereas Lotus 22s were on 13.0'' diameter all round from new.
That race is a support to the Australian G.P. Feb. 19th 1967 , car colour listed as Green.
Therefor I don't believe it is Bob Young.

2nd choice is my belief in the same car as I mentioned earlier Lotus 20 [ 20-J-965 ] but prior
to Reg Papps and Sons .
July 16th 1967 Warwick Farm has A.M.R.D. entrant , driver , I [ Ian ] Jenkins Lotus 20 , 1098cc
blue/white.
AMRD was Australian Motor Racing Developments , a short lived driving school who had purchased the car
from second owner Doug Ferris and ran a couple of cars .
I was always under the impression that Papps had done the rear end conversion but could well be
mistaken and all Papps and Sons did was alter to inboard discs and 1300cc engine and big 13.0'' wheels
all round.

As a footnote after I purchased the car some 25 years ago I contacted Papps and Sons out Mascot
way near Kingsford Smith airport and asked about the car and did they happen to have any old bits
lying around , to which they replied yes, even though I lived 45 minutes away it only took me 10 minutes
to get there and we had a look around the automotive workshop and after a few minutes they remembered
they had put all the old bits in a Vanguard out in the back yard , so I came away with the original alloy
finned inboard drum assemblies and the pair of Cosworth inlet manifolds and as a bonus a brand new very
dusty Lotus 20 windscreen that was still hanging from the workshop roof.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:20

2nd choice is my belief in the same car as I mentioned earlier Lotus 20 [ 20-J-965 ] but prior
to Reg Papps and Sons .
July 16th 1967 Warwick Farm has A.M.R.D. entrant , driver , I [ Ian ] Jenkins Lotus 20 , 1098cc
blue/white.


Thats excellent - certainly sounds like the right car doesn't it? Many thanks for your efforts on this one.
What race/series was it running in on the day? Being from the other side of the world I must confess general ignorance about how Aussie racing was run at the time - beyond the Tasman series and the touring car championship.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:56

Simon,

Warwick Farm had generally six meetings a year , each one had a different major race
e.g. Tasman , AJC Touring Car Trophy meeting , RAC Sports Car meeting etc.
This meeting was the AJC [ Australian Jockey Club , Warwick Farm was part of the horse
racing circuit ] race meeting for the AJC Trophy , so the major event was touring cars .

Entry was 5 off Mustangs , 1 Chev Camaro , GTA alfa , Lotus Cortinas and numerous 1098 and 1310 cc Morris Cooper S types.

The openwhheler race was '' MGM-Mirror Racing Car Trophy Race '' over 15 laps , 33.75 miles.
Main entrants were 7 off 2.5 litre cars with 19 1100cc and 1500cc smaller bore cars .

The 2.5s were ,
Leo Geogehgan , Lotus 39 Repco.
Spencer Martin , Repco Brabham Climax BT11A
John Harvey , Repco Brabham BT14 converted to 2.5 Repco.
Fred Gibson , Repco Brabham Climax BT16 converted for Mildren Team to 2.5 litre ex Graham Hill F2 car
Kevin Bartlett , Repco Brabham Climax , BT11A .
Paul Bolton , Repco Brabham Climax ,
Greg Cusack , Repco Brabham BT23A .

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 18:17

Set off from Altrincham at 6.30am in sleet/snow but as always the sun was out at Mallory :)

And 70s Formula 3 cars were all the rage today.....

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Hopefully this one might test you :confused:


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#2587 Phil Rainford

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 18:39

Right country of origin Alan....Mr Kitson and Gatmo are banned from answering


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#2588 Giraffe

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 18:51

Alpine?

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 19:00

It's Colin Painter's Oliroy that Iain Rowley has got an entry for at Monaco :love: the March above is Iain's own 793 that has also got an entry. Looks like they were getting a bit of a shake down

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 19:23

It's Colin Painter's Oliroy that Iain Rowley has got an entry for at Monaco :love: the March above is Iain's own 793 that has also got an entry. Looks like they were getting a bit of a shake down



A Blue Peter Badge to that man ...........spot on :up:


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#2591 Giraffe

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 19:30

Is it chassis:001 of one? :cat:

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 19:38

Some more....

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New sign....same breakfast ( I hope !! )

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 20:55

Lovely pictures, Phil - very well done and thanks for taking the time to post them. I was frustratingly close this morning, but didn't have sufficient time - which makes me more determined than ever to get along soon!!

Has it EVER rained at Mallory on a Wednesday since this thread was started?

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 21:02

Good day!

Photos I would say will be tomorrow,

I quite like this bike one... it is nostalgia and a different angle.

What corner is this?


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 21:21

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And Mr Mitchell :)

Edited by thebullet, 11 April 2012 - 21:22.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 21:32

So the Oliroy was identified in under an hour, that's impressive :lol:

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:24

Note we had some good on board camera shots of the "sky". Oliroy ran well on two year old tyres we had a top end missfire which turned out to be the battery. For some reason the casing had melted. There is allways something new that turn's up and kick's you in the b---ocks.Thats why we go testing. Thanks for the photo.Cheers Iain. Next stop Monaco and yes with some new tyres.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:37

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I was interested to see this P1800 at Mallory - one of my first cars was one of these :)

Did any successfully circuit race in period? I don't imagine their weight/engine combination gave them much track success if they did? Wasn't the engine (B18A) loosely based on the MGB block?


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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:03

The Lola, the driver has an older style Simpson helmet, didn;t think these were still current, surely???

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 11:17

The Lola, the driver has an older style Simpson helmet, didn;t think these were still current, surely???

Correct, but no-one bothers too much at private tests