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#2851 mfd

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 15:56

I wonder what will now become of the circuit???

So has something changed other than the reported dispute? I tried to decipher Simon's words earlier, but alas I'm not good with riddles.

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#2852 Giraffe

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 16:22

So has something changed other than the reported dispute? I tried to decipher Simon's words earlier, but alas I'm not good with riddles.


Well if it's the Scrambling circuit, it wasn't operating today & that's the only recent addition that I can think of. Gatmo told me that they were all just plodding along as usual at the circuit, and were as much in the dark as us.

#2853 MCS

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 19:21

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I really hope the circuit is able to continue - as I know we all do on here - but suspect something is looming...

Anyway, why does that Argo have such a massive rollover bar? It looks like a coat-hanger!

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 14:17

Modified for a very tall driver and I am quite short!

I will be fitting the original soon now I have seen how silly it looks.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 18:37

So has something changed other than the reported dispute? I tried to decipher Simon's words earlier, but alas I'm not good with riddles.



Headlines on page 5 of "the Hinckley Times " 25/4/13

"MALLORY PARK NOISE CLAIMS ARE DENIED IN COURT"

eventually they will update their website with the story, but a quick precis !

Mallory have denied 5 charges of breaching noise restrictions... allegations of hosting 5 unauthorised Staurday events last summer.......Case adjourned until May 14th when the date for a full trial is likely to be set.

Case brought by Hincley council Chief exec.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 21:13

That Reynard 883 (no22) is my old car...... about to be run again in Monoposto by Alistair Bell

#2857 Giraffe

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:20

Modified for a very tall driver and I am quite short!

I will be fitting the original soon now I have seen how silly it looks.


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I think this was Nigel Farage in the Jag....... :smoking:

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#2858 LittleBertha

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 18:27

Headlines on page 5 of "the Hinckley Times " 25/4/13

"MALLORY PARK NOISE CLAIMS ARE DENIED IN COURT"

eventually they will update their website with the story, but a quick precis !

Mallory have denied 5 charges of breaching noise restrictions... allegations of hosting 5 unauthorised Staurday events last summer.......Case adjourned until May 14th when the date for a full trial is likely to be set.

Case brought by Hincley council Chief exec.


Pistonheads has a thread stating all Mallory staff have now been given 90 day redundancy notices

#2859 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 02:33

Are the complaints only on the grounds of noise?

As a past competitor and someone who has spent a lot of time in the pitlane since the late 60s - as a direct result I have lost a lot of hearing, something you don't pay any attention to in your 20s & 30s - when you get to your 60s you regret the exposure greatly.
It is unpleasant at the time in the car and as a bystander - it just is not practical to wear ear plugs or defenders all the time you are at a circuit.

Over 2 miles from me here in a farmers field hillside 2 or 3 times a year they hold motor cycle scrambling, if the air is still that is incredibly loud outside my house - only because the bikes are unsilenced. if they were just fitted with silencers they would be inaudible only 500yds away. It is not a performance issue in such a now overcrowded island such as this - the voluntary quietening of motor sport vehicles in order to keep going is a tiny price to pay.

I honestly do not think that an increased level of sound suppression to both intake and exhaust systems would detract from the experience either for competitors or spectators - in fact it would make the day rather more pleasant attract other family members not such dyed in the wool enthusiasts who currently stay away because of painful noise.
So if this is all the locals are complaining about, mandatory lower noise emissions from race cars is a great deal preferable to no circuit at all.

An agreement to lower noise threshold should be balanced with doubling the number of racing and testing days each year to balance circuit income and reward to competitors - the greater utilisation of the facility the cheaper per day per competitor everyone gets a benefit.
More and cheaper race days for drivers and spectators, trust me not that funny when you can't hear what people are saying - or the TV.

Noise is a very subjective thing. As a racer I have borne the brunt of this. It depends on weather conditions, backgrounds, and sometimes total noise, eg the crowd, PA system and a few more factors. The 95db limit is for total noise. Which in some cases means the racecars cannot be started, in fact nor can most road cars.
In my case: Sandown, with the sound echoing from the empty grandstand I was too noisy. Next session with a lot more people in the stand I was ok.
Philip Island, morning practice with thick cloud cover, too noisy, as were many cars. Afternoon session same cars no problem, cloud has lifted and turned into a lovely blue sky day.
Same track, Sunday, first race again too loud, but only in the first two laps. The other 8 was fine. Because I was almost by myself and the PA had quietened down.
At both tracks the noise varied between 91 and 99 decibels, same car, same place on the track being monitered = full throttle in top gear.
This from a carby 550hp Chev engine tintop. with the exhausts out the sides. Yet a 5000 with less muffler and the pipes out the back make less noise!!. The engines last incarnation with alloy heads was quieter, yet had a good 30hp more, and turned more RPM.
That car like many is limited with muffler size and position, and the exhaust has to come outside the body. IF it went under the car it would be far quieter. Though like most I have no wish to gas myself anyway.
Ring a ding two strokes actually don't bother a db meter as much as you would think, neither do rotary engines. Yet beside F1 engines they are the most painfull on the ears. Racing against rotarys as I often did I often could not hear my own car. Yet they are supposedly quieter.
Induction noise can be a problem too, Webered engines in particular make more dbs than you can hear. Sometimes more than the exhaust! True.

Though back in the 70s with generally open exhausts an inner city speedway the noisiest things then were Vincent powered sidecars and a 427 Chev powered Supermodified. Our sponsor [a midget racer] reckoned those used to shake the stock off the shelves at his electrical store a mile away. And I did hear the Supermod 3 miles away. But the noise most complained about was the 2 stroke sidecars, Yamahas, Suzukis etc and one rotary powered sedan. That officially were not too loud. The noise regs were the final death knell on the Vincents.
Oh, and that speedway is now high density housing at ground level. The speedway was 30 feet down in what was a clay pug hole. And the traffic noise is probably louder than the speedway ever was.

Edited by Lee Nicolle, 28 April 2013 - 02:35.


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#2860 blacklab

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 14:23

Pistonheads has a thread stating all Mallory staff have now been given 90 day redundancy notices



Its on the Mallory Park Facebook page

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" Any update on the situation regarding the circuit as I heard a rumour that some of the staff have been given notice. Hope it isn't true !!!

April 24 at 1:33pm via mobile · Like.."


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Mallory Park Hi Stephen, we are still working on the circuit issues on a daily basis to try and resolve. Correct, staff have been issued notice of redundancy.

April 24 at 2:32pm · Like.."

#2861 Giraffe

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 21:52

Sad to see on social media that thread founder Gatmo has left Mallory Park after 24 years of employment. Things are not looking good.

#2862 Peter Morley

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:04

Perhaps Mallory should offer to turn the circuit into a site for travellers/gypsies.
That might change the attitude of their neighbours...


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 21:52

Just visited the VSCC website; they seem to be unaware of anything which has happened since 1931.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 14:11

Perhaps Mallory should offer to turn the circuit into a site for travellers/gypsies.
That might change the attitude of their neighbours...



Unfortunately Hinckley council have just granted planning permission for a gypsy site just down the road very close to Earl Shilton.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 15:10

Martin Brundle has tweeted that he was at mallory today for the unveling of a bronze statue of Adrian Newey.

I was under the impression it was usual for someone to pass away before statue's were made :confused:

#2866 Alan Cox

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 17:13

Martin Brundle has tweeted that he was at mallory today for the unveling of a bronze statue of Adrian Newey.
I was under the impression it was usual for someone to pass away before statues were made :confused:

I wasn't aware that there was a convention that one had to be departed before one's effigy could be created. There have been statues of Sir Stirling and John Surtees at Mallory for quite some time now.
I must say that Adrian Newey seems a slightly unusual choice for a Mallory statue, bearing in mind that the other subjects celebrate drivers or riders who had competed at the circuit. Perhaps Chris Meek is a big fan.

#2867 MCS

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 18:41

Weird.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 19:05

Probably in recognition of his services to historic racing!!

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 21:45

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The last one of these I saw in the flesh was in the window of the Pyramid Garage in North Finchley in the late 70s - Price tag £1,200.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 22:01

Where about in North finchley was the Pyramid garage? As I was brought up there and can't place it.

#2871 Alan Cox

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:27

I have received a message from Andrew Kitson, who was at Mallory yesterday, on the reasons for Adrian Newey being honoured as the subject of the latest statue. I hope Andrew won't mind me quoting from his message:

Another of Chris Meek's Mallory events yesterday afternoon to honour Adrian Newey with the unveiling of his life-sized bronze. Adrian revealed that he is very fond of the place and is in the sport because the racing bug really bit at Mallory, in the early 70s when he would come to spectate at the F2 & F5000 races. Super event with Adrian's family all present and many of Chris' BRDC buddies too.
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 09:20

If thats Mr Newey's reason, can I statue as well please Mr Meek? I always loved your Princess Ita Escort too...

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 11:42

I have received a message from Andrew Kitson, who was at Mallory yesterday, on the reasons for Adrian Newey being honoured as the subject of the latest statue. I hope Andrew won't mind me quoting from his message:

Glad to see that Chris isn't so flamboyant!!!

Actually nice to see his continuing enthusiasm, still much as when I was running that Princess Ita Escort Dan.

If I ever do make it back over, a trip to Mallory will be included.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 16:36

Where about in North finchley was the Pyramid garage? As I was brought up there and can't place it.


Next to the Swan & Pyramids pub on the high road, on the left, halfway between Tally Ho and Whetstone. It's now Europacar.

#2875 mfd

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:50

If I ever do make it back over, a trip to Mallory will be included.

Public Council meeting Wednesday - if the council don't retract on their wish to restrict days to 92, the circuit will close
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Posted 10 July 2013 - 20:24

On a Wednesday that could be critical for the future of the circuit.....

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Simon Hadfield turned out with 4 cars including his Lotus 47 that hasn't run for 25 years.

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Simon arrived in wife Mandy's 1963 Series 1 Elan, complete with 10k on the clock & Kers.....

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 22:43

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Simon arrived in wife Mandy's 1963 Series 1 Elan, complete with 10k on the clock & Kers.....


:lol: I like that!. What does the switch actually operate? The wipers?

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 22:58

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Simon arrived in wife Mandy's 1963 Series 1 Elan, complete with 10k on the clock & Kers.....


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#2879 delta44

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:37

Good too see you yesterday Tony, did you stay on for the meeting. Anyone know the outcome.??

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#2880 Giraffe

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:02

Good too see you yesterday Tony, did you stay on for the meeting. Anyone know the outcome.??

Good to see you too Iain. No, didn't attend the meeting & heard no news to date.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:22

Can't find anything on line yet about the outcome of yesterday's meeting, but there is this, issued by the council a few days ago:

http://www.hinckley-...ory_park_update

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:46

The story I've heard from locals is that the Council decided to proceed with seeking the court's enforcement of the previous noise notice.
Whether that means it will certainly be enforced remains unclear (to me).

Edit:
have just been pointed to this from the Leicester Mercury:
http://www.thisislei...l#axzz2YjRhv31r
The wording of that report is a little different to the account I received secondhand - so I guess we need to await something more concrete than the press interpretation.

Edited by 2F-001, 11 July 2013 - 10:54.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:39

I went to the meeting last night. The gallery was full when I got there but they had set up CCTV and seating so that more of us could watch the proceedings. I guess there were about 100 or so there.

I thought the Council members put forward well-balanced views and a resident of Kirkby Mallory that I spoke to was a really nice guy, had lived in the village for 40 years and had only become concerned about the circuit in the last few years. I came away with the following impressions:

• The residents have no wish to see the circuit close.
• The residents and the circuit co-existed happily until 2005 (was that when BARC acquired the lease?)
• The residents feel Mallory Park management is intransigent and unwilling to constructively negotiate.
• The main issues appear to be:
o Moto Cross track (now closed) – I personally found this really annoying when I attended race meetings at the circuit.
o Awesomefest
o Frequent track days, especially motorcycles where there are no breaks in running. I know how noisy even some road bikes can be so do have some sympathy. On race days there is at least a break between races and a lunch break.
o The hairpin creates the most nuisance. (I recall in the 70s and 80s we used to occasionally race without it, maybe that would be appropriate now for some track and test days? Also why cannot a new hairpin be constructed on the site of the disused Moto Cross track – it would add some elevation too).
• The Council also wishes the circuit to continue and recognises the economic benefits to the area.
• Councillors put across a very well balanced set of arguments for and against but given the existence of the 1985 noise agreement, the associated legislation and the current level of complaints, they feel their hands are tied, they would not be doing their job if they didn't act. I do think it might be time for a new and more 2013 relevant agreement to replace the 1985 agreement.
• The Council is certainly not closing the door on further negotiations. In particular, independent arbitration was suggested as an option but I fear this will not succeed if it is just a case of someone coming in and deciding who is right and who is wrong with no real changes being on the table.

I acknowledge that in this day and age there are aspects of the current Mallory business model that may be unsustainable. That would suggest there is a real need for some fresh and real creative thinking about how the Mallory Park estate can be used profitably in the future and provide a venue for motor and motor cycle racing while at the same time running quieter profitable activities that are in harmony with Kirkby Mallory village. I personally don't think the Mallory managment are entirely blameless in all of this and if the circuit is to survive there needs to be a step change in their attitude.

I don't know to what extent BARC CEO Mark Jones has been involved in this but I have written to him to express my views and I have offered any help I can give to stimulate thinking about how we can save Mallory. If anyone feels similarly, please reply with contact details.



#2884 delta44

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 12:20

Thanks for that, sounds very encouraging.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 13:25

I went to the meeting last night. The gallery was full when I got there but they had set up CCTV and seating so that more of us could watch the proceedings. I guess there were about 100 or so there.

I thought the Council members put forward well-balanced views and a resident of Kirkby Mallory that I spoke to was a really nice guy, had lived in the village for 40 years and had only become concerned about the circuit in the last few years. I came away with the following impressions:

• The residents have no wish to see the circuit close.
• The residents and the circuit co-existed happily until 2005 (was that when BARC acquired the lease?)
• The residents feel Mallory Park management is intransigent and unwilling to constructively negotiate.
• The main issues appear to be:
o Moto Cross track (now closed) – I personally found this really annoying when I attended race meetings at the circuit.
o Awesomefest
o Frequent track days, especially motorcycles where there are no breaks in running. I know how noisy even some road bikes can be so do have some sympathy. On race days there is at least a break between races and a lunch break.
o The hairpin creates the most nuisance. (I recall in the 70s and 80s we used to occasionally race without it, maybe that would be appropriate now for some track and test days? Also why cannot a new hairpin be constructed on the site of the disused Moto Cross track – it would add some elevation too).
• The Council also wishes the circuit to continue and recognises the economic benefits to the area.
• Councillors put across a very well balanced set of arguments for and against but given the existence of the 1985 noise agreement, the associated legislation and the current level of complaints, they feel their hands are tied, they would not be doing their job if they didn't act. I do think it might be time for a new and more 2013 relevant agreement to replace the 1985 agreement.
• The Council is certainly not closing the door on further negotiations. In particular, independent arbitration was suggested as an option but I fear this will not succeed if it is just a case of someone coming in and deciding who is right and who is wrong with no real changes being on the table.

I acknowledge that in this day and age there are aspects of the current Mallory business model that may be unsustainable. That would suggest there is a real need for some fresh and real creative thinking about how the Mallory Park estate can be used profitably in the future and provide a venue for motor and motor cycle racing while at the same time running quieter profitable activities that are in harmony with Kirkby Mallory village. I personally don't think the Mallory managment are entirely blameless in all of this and if the circuit is to survive there needs to be a step change in their attitude.

I don't know to what extent BARC CEO Mark Jones has been involved in this but I have written to him to express my views and I have offered any help I can give to stimulate thinking about how we can save Mallory. If anyone feels similarly, please reply with contact details.



I also attended last nights meeting and your estimate of 100 people seemed to be on the low side since there must have been approaching that number in the "overflow room" where we were Guarded by a small number of police officers. Not being a regular council goer I was a little surprised at the format of the meeting since no one other that the Executive officers & 5 or six council members spoke. Right from the out set of the meeting it was obvious that the council had already made up their minds on the issue. The chief exec being particularly keen to progress the matter - perhaps before an ombudsman's report is available which according to the Chief Exec himself is critical of the way that this issue has been mis- managed over the years.

I believe that Mallory residents have some legitimate gripes & the Motocross track & running of Drifting events must have been a nightmare . I want to see Mallory kept open as a viable realistic business. Gung Ho management does not work & I would imagine that Edwina is turning in her grave with what has been happening.

The council provided copies of the report to all who attended the meeting. This contained the info that in 2012 the council received 153 complaints of which 72 were from 1 household and 35 from another. Whilst those Households are probably unreachable I'm sure others would have been more liable to compromise with the right approach & proposals.
Whether Mallory survives under the 92 day limit, which was agreed back in 1985 although seemingly never enforced, or not there are some important points.



1. The council only seemed to talk to Mallory Park & the Mallory action group. The survey to all the villagers on the latest Mallory proposal was responded to by 52% of the villagers of which 2/3rds rejected the proposal. It seems if you want to resist you need to be organised & any pro Mallory villagers needed to group together. This is a common failing amongst us British we all need to stand up & be counted.

2. Although I am not a resident of Mallory, I leave 3 miles away, I feel that I & other Mallory Park users also deserve an input. After all the villagers of Mallory use amenities in other parts of the borough & county that effect the quality of life of those residents where they are situated.

3. Not all of the traffic through Mallory is due to the race track , over the years it has developed into a major rat run during busy periods as people try to escape the traffic chaos around Hinckley , Earl Shilton & Barwell - situation likely to get worse since the same council has recently approved a massive housing project of 1000 homes between Mallory & Hinckley.

4. Lets get realistic why the majority Mallory Action group would like to see the track kept open - they fear the alternative, large scale housing or industrial use.

I hope Mallory survives but I seriously doubt it !


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 18:36

Embarrased to admit it was my first visit of the season to Mallory today :blush:

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#2887 MCS

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 18:48

Nice selection Phil :up:

I hope to go next week, all things being equal.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 19:11

I hope to go next week, all things being equal.

There's a VSCC meeting on Sunday, Mark, if you're around...

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 20:14

There's a VSCC meeting on Sunday, Mark, if you're around...


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 22:37

Embarrased to admit it was my first visit of the season to Mallory today :blush:


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Sssh; I have still to visit but am due to cover the VSCC meet on Sunday; if I'm spared.

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#2891 Peter Horsman

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:48

Lotus no 278 is my ex-works 15 (603) out for a shake down by Andrew Tart prior to the Classic. It was one of the original two works 15s campaigned by Cliff A and Graham H (under trade plate 007 MH at Oulton 1958), then sold to David Piper, then to Dizzy Addicott who stuck the V8 in it. Now back with 2 litre FPF. I did take it to the VSCC Spring Start where it performed well but a few things needed doing afterwards. Thought I'd put it on wires rather than the usual boring wobblies notwithstanding the additional weight......

#2892 MCS

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 14:03

There's a VSCC meeting on Sunday, Mark, if you're around...


Just typed a response, but sent as a PM instead. Sunday looks like being 28 degrees...

#2893 Giraffe

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 08:15

It's fate might currently be in the balance, but it was business as usual at Mallory Park on Wednesday morning......

Mike Whatley was testing his Lola T300 HU5 prior to shipping it back to New Zealand, and Ian Ashley was also in the cockpit prior to purchasing it..... take your pick?!?!

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#2894 Duc-Man

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 08:43

What the hack is this Alfa Romeo thingy?

#2895 Belmondo

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 09:08

I will miss this thread if Mallory succumbs.

#2896 funformula

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 09:25

What the hack is this Alfa Romeo thingy?


I like the look of the reshaped front of this GTV. Not original at all but it gives the car a more modern and aerodynamic front without spoiling the classic lines.
I wish the Alfa Romeo designers had showed that good taste on some of their facelifts back then.

#2897 Giraffe

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 10:36

What the hack is this Alfa Romeo thingy?


Didn't get any info on the car, does anyone know of Mr.Stapleton?

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 10:49

I like the look of the reshaped front of this GTV. Not original at all but it gives the car a more modern and aerodynamic front without spoiling the classic lines.
I wish the Alfa Romeo designers had showed that good taste on some of their facelifts back then.

It's one of those 'it's-ugly-but-sexy-at-the-same-time-and-you-can't-stop-looking-at-it' kind of things.... :drunk:
If Mad Max was an italian movie something like this would be the car he would drive.

Edited by Duc-Man, 10 August 2013 - 10:52.


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Posted 10 August 2013 - 11:40

It's fate might currently be in the balance, but it was business as usual at Mallory Park on Wednesday morning......

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At the risk of upsetting Kayemod! Never mind the Alfa, what about the Embassy Hill transporter?

Really should make the effort to get back to Mallory Wednesdays. My visits to the East Midlands rarely seem to coincide. Must try harder.

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#2900 Alan Cox

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 12:43

Didn't get any info on the car, does anyone know of Mr.Stapleton?

Ian Stapleton has been racing a GTV in the BRSCC 'Alfashop' Alfa Romeo series for some years