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#1 Ted Walker

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 06:18

This Friday HGCPA Test Day and Saturday VSCC. Should be a good couple of days, Anyone else going ????????

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#2 David McKinney

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:22

See you there (both days)

Reading between the lines, I think the HGPCA have got the track on Friday morning and VSCC Friday afternoon, but as there's an HGPCA race on Saturday it may not make much difference

#3 Odseybod

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:12

I'll be there on Saturday. Hope it's less muddy than the Pom was!

#4 Ted Walker

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 12:31

David I think that the HGCPA have it all day with no VSCC afternoon testing !!!!!!!!!!!

#5 Stephen W

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 13:46

I'll be there on Saturday. Hope it's less muddy than the Pom was!


I was there on Sunday and the earth banks are baked hard. This is creating a problem though with sand being blown across the track. I would take a stout pair of boots as a lot of the ground is quiet rough still.

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#6 condor

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 13:51

Is it free entry for the Friday testing as I can't find any ticket price for it?

#7 Giraffe

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 14:04

I'm not sure that Joe public is welcome tomorrow as the last test day was closed, (press accreditation only!) and there's nobody at the circuit right now who can tell me!

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#8 condor

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 14:19

Thanks Giraffe, seems a shame if it's closed for Joe Public, as weather is looking good and I'd have liked to have gone.


#9 Giraffe

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 14:31

Having just spoken to Stella at the HGPCA, she said the club don't object to spectators at the test day. She wasn't aware of any charge.

#10 condor

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 14:37

Well done Giraffe :up: I'll have to go out and buy stuff for a picnic there tomorrow then :)

#11 David McKinney

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 15:16

David I think that the HGCPA have it all day with no VSCC afternoon testing !!!!!!!!!!!

I think you might be right - I must have misread something from the VSCC

#12 Odseybod

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 15:55

I was there on Sunday and the earth banks are baked hard. This is creating a problem though with sand being blown across the track. I would take a stout pair of boots as a lot of the ground is quiet rough still.

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Many thanks. Duly noted, as they say.

#13 Mark Ballard

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 18:55


It is a HGPCA test day, with the VSCC having 2 sessions for pre war cars (3-3.30 & 4.30-5)

#14 condor

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 17:32

Had a very enjoyable day there to-day :) Sunny and blue skies all day, though there was quite a chill wind at Copse (inside field).


#15 Giraffe

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 18:19

Had a very enjoyable day there to-day :) Sunny and blue skies all day, though there was quite a chill wind at Copse (inside field).


Do you think the meeting tomorrow is worth a visit Condor on today's evidence? :wave:

#16 Alan Cox

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 18:20

Any interesting cars that we might not have seen, condor?

#17 condor

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 18:46

Any interesting cars that we might not have seen, condor?


I tend to think I've seen most of them before, but I'm sure Ted or David will be able to tell you if there was anything new there. What I thought was good, was their test day seemed to be like a race day...most were out on track in their time slots, they were all trying hard and there was plenty of overtaking. The circuit was shortened ( but I guess that's because they're still working on parts of it).
I did take a few static pics at their lunchtime - and if I've got some that people haven't posted tomorrow then I'll try and stick them up.
There were very few 'dedicated' spectators, and in the morning I was 1 of about 5. The afternoon saw more, but even then I'd put it as less than 30.
I really enjoyed it, and would certainly go to another of their test days again :)

#18 condor

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 18:51

Do you think the meeting tomorrow is worth a visit Condor on today's evidence? :wave:


Since it was free today and I got 6 hours worth of action....I think I did well :D
I go to a lot of historic events anyway, so it was more in the 'Silverstone classic' type of event style. I think the tickets are only £10 for tomorrow's races.... so yes :)


#19 Ted Walker

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 04:50

iIt should be a good meeting to day with the VSCC. Yesterday was excellent with all sorts of interesting cars and people I am taking a lot of books to flog off so hope the weather stays good. My stand as always available for a meeting point.

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#20 Giraffe

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 18:31

iIt should be a good meeting to day with the VSCC. Yesterday was excellent with all sorts of interesting cars and people I am taking a lot of books to flog off so hope the weather stays good. My stand as always available for a meeting point.


Ted's stand today...............

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Why does 'Gone Fishing' spring to mind? His neighbours told me he'd sold his stock off as a job lot and gone to watch the racing with a mate! Don't blame him as there was plenty to see..............

....like these two cars for starters................
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I only spotted one TNFer all day long.....
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Former F5000 racer Patrick Sumner (right of pic) with former Sports 2000 pilot Adrian Hall who currently races (IIRC a Lotus 10).

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#21 Giraffe

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 19:30

More pics of the Nick Fennell Lotus 25.....

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....and of the Ferrari replica that is to me the Barry Boor car....
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The Ferrari was a subject of much discussion with this group that includes on the left Alain De Cadenet and on the right Ed Mc Donough of Vintage Racecar Magazine.
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#22 Giraffe

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 20:07

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Lotus 18 /F1 /914
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...with a bit of previous.........

#23 Giraffe

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 21:00

Before I continue & I know it's been said before, the commentary at these VSCC events is quite frankly hilarious, and worth going along for alone! It's a cross between Monty Python & Ripping Yarns! :rotfl: Simply wonderful! :up:

Some of today's stranger sightings.....
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#24 Giraffe

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 21:33

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Some lovely sights in the carpark...
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Lister Jaguar Monza of Rod Jolley
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Lotus 17 of Jim Woodley
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Alex Bell's AC Ace Bristol
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David Clewley's MG Parson
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William L'Anson's ex-Jo Schlesser Brabham BT10
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Blue Floyd - Nick Mason's Bugatti T35B
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Neil Perkins in Bugatti T37A


#25 Giraffe

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 21:51

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This Ferrari smelt like a fake. It did however have alot of Win Percy's BRDC passes hanging from the dash..... Can anyone ID the car?

#26 Odseybod

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 22:10

Just a few happy snaps to add to Giraffe's.

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Bentley-Napier hot seat. Only for the brave.

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Mark Walker aboard the 200 HP Darracq - who needs bodywork?

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HGPCA line-up. The ex-McLaren Cooper #20 won.

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It may be a replica but the engine's pukka - and it sounds wonderful!

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Now there's patina!

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All you need to go racing (including the 'Nash).


I must say that I would hate to be a commentator - but with that proviso, I really miss the VSCC 'commentary gang' of old, who managed to blend "Well I mind the time" insights with accurate race info as it happened. It also sounded as though the relocation of the commentary box from above the main start-finish grandstands to one above the pits gives a very limited field of view, making the task even more difficult. And boy it shows!

But it was a wonderful VSCC day all the same.

#27 Giraffe

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 22:28

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Hubert Fabri in his Aston Martin DBR4
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Bentleys from Stanley Mann
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Bugatti T59
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BRM P261/5
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Malcolm Ricketts ' Lotus 11
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Bob Dance in attendance
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Bob poses with Italian hotshoe Enrico Spaggiari......
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.....behind this fabulous Alfa
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Malcolm Ricketts also drove the Lotus Alfa 18.
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Brabham BT11A
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Ian Ashley searches for the unfair advantage for his LDS Alfa......with a ruler!

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#28 Giraffe

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 22:58

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An inverted Lotus 18/21 of Andrew Wanty at Copse after clipping a spinning Brian Jolliffe in his Cooper T45. Andrew emerged unscathed, but the astroturf certainly seemed to assist the flip, and a large flap of it remained upturned for the resuming race.

Edited by Giraffe, 24 April 2010 - 23:00.


#29 Allan Lupton

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 07:22

Nostalgia isn't what it was!
Well over 30 photos of modern racing cars and only about ten of VSCC eligible cars at a VSCC Silverstone race meeting can't be representative, surely.

#30 Ted Walker

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 07:31

Yes I did sell all of my books in the morning so had bu...er all to sell by lunchtime.(apart from hot rod mags) so went walkabout.Lots of people to talk to and very good racing. I think without the HGPCA content the meeting would be very dull.

#31 Giraffe

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 07:35

Nostalgia isn't what it was!
modern racing cars


I started to marshal at events 42 years ago Allan, and there was nothing at Silverstone yesterday that I saw run in period........... :blush:

However, Allan has a good point here, and one I was discussing with Simon Hadfield last Wednesday. Nostalgia has a sell-by date; I only photographed the cars that were of interest to me and subjected you all to my tastes by posting them here! The rest of the meeting is of little specific interest to me, and thus I like very many of the spectators there yesterday was just enjoying a good day out. I am fascinated by the exotic and quirky stuff, but have no desire to spend my time photographing row upon row of Rileys (not that I have anything against Rileys!).
I am nearly 56 years of age, and I was certainly below the average age in the paddock. Most visitors had a browse through, and then went to find a grassy knoll or grandstand seat from which to sit with an icecream, relax, take the sun and watch a bit of racing. The only vehicle that drew anything vaguely resembling a crowd in the paddock all day was the 200hp Darracq, which will give you an idea of the requirements of the average paying spectator!
As Ted says, the meeting was enhanced by the HCGPA content, and the VSCC recognise this and have responded, as they have with the 'See Red' meetings. These 'add-ons' allow them to continue running their core events whilst keeping support up. I attended my first VSCC event in 1970 (as a marshal) and it they remain a great experience as a result of the efforts of the club and a highlight of the year for me. We all have our pet period or era which is of most importance to us as individuals, but in reality they are all the same and pass through in popularity as the generations who are nostalgic about them move on, leaving a core of enthusiasts to keep the memory alive.

Edited by Giraffe, 25 April 2010 - 11:23.


#32 Allan Lupton

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 08:27

I started to marshal at events 42 years ago Allan, and there was nothing at Silverstone yesterday that I saw run in period........... :blush:

I assumed you must be quite young - using a pseudonym, etc. - and as I remember proper (front-engined) GP cars racing, your comment confirms that! (edited to say that I just looked you up and so you are!)
I used "modern" in the VSCC sense.
Apart from invitation events post-war grand prix and sports cars are not eligible - though the front-engined GP cars have been "honorary VSCC cars" since the early 1960s.

Edited by Allan Lupton, 25 April 2010 - 08:29.


#33 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 08:39

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Nostalgia isn't what it was!
Well over 30 photos of modern racing cars and only about ten of VSCC eligible cars at a VSCC Silverstone race meeting can't be representative, surely.


I attended my first race meeting in May 1952 and I sometimes feel that I am now too old for todays 'Historic' racing, though yesterday's 'Lindsay-Rothschild' race was a 12 lap blinder which really lifted the spirits. Many thanks to all concerned!.

#34 Roger Clark

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 09:04

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The angle of the upper rear radius rod is interesting - and similar to the Ferrari 1512 that appeared in Bahrain. It looks like a 1965 upright and a 1964 chassis mounting point.

If this is 2615 - and I've no reason to doubt giraffe's assertion - it had an interesting history. In 1965 it was, unique among P261s, fitted with alternative mounting points for those radius rods. There is no sign of that on this car that I can see. Two years later it was fitted with a 3-litre V12 engine. This involved replacement of the rear part of the monocoque to accommodate the longer engine. Presumably it was rebuilt at some stage for the V8 but why the (apparent) 1964 mounting points?


#35 Giraffe

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 09:23

The angle of the upper rear radius rod is interesting - and similar to the Ferrari 1512 that appeared in Bahrain. It looks like a 1965 upright and a 1964 chassis mounting point.

If this is 2615 - and I've no reason to doubt giraffe's assertion -


My assertion is based entirely on the evidence provided by the chassis plate as seen yesterday Roger. :wave:

PS The car belongs to Andrew Waring.

Edited by Giraffe, 25 April 2010 - 09:26.


#36 Giraffe

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 09:45

A last couple of shots from yesterday at Silverstone.......

A mud splattered Bently, fresh from a London to Edinburgh reliability trial........
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A breathtaking Maserati AG6CM......
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And for Rob and all the other Alfistas out there, a really interesting little pagoda roofed Zagato bodied Alfa Romeo
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It was accompanied by a sign warning people not to touch the bodywork as it was prone to denting!

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#37 condor

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 12:42

Handy use for an umbrella  ;)


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#38 Alan Cox

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 13:24

Now there's patina!

Lovely action shot, Tony.

The car for me (albeit not racing) was the Don Lee Special Tipo B Alfa, belonging to Hugh Taylor, which was in the Brooklands "Double 12" display. AlthoughI saw it at the Festival of Speed some years ago, it doesn't get aired in public very often.
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Lotus 21, formerly in the Donington Collection. #943, the rebuilt ex-Jim Clark Monza car.

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Ian Ashley relays details of a practice incident....................... The ever-cheerful winner of the Amschel Rothschild Trophy, Rod Jolley.

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Time to go home...

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#39 condor

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 14:32

Haven't seen this car posted already


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Posted 25 April 2010 - 14:39

Much concentration whilst performing a 3 point turn :D

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...this guy recall playing Hoopla when he was younger :D

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#41 Pullman99

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 14:56

and there was nothing at Silverstone yesterday that I saw run in period........... :blush:


What, not even the Darracq? :rotfl:

Immediate apologies proffered. Looked like a grand day out and I am sorry that I missed it. Work commitments prevented escape.




#42 condor

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 15:17

...and some more pics :)



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#43 Giraffe

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 20:34

Time to go home...



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On the way into the circuit, the queue was quite lengthy, and the one thing old cars don't like doing is sitting around on a warm day. It was a bit of a battlefield..... :well:

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 08:59

Some of mine from Friday...

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#45 Alan Cox

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 09:03

Some of mine from Friday...

Worth waiting for, David. I see an artist at work :)

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 09:42

...and some more pics :)



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Nice photos, condor!

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 09:44

Some of mine from Friday...


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#48 Allan Lupton

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 10:05

On the way into the circuit, the queue was quite lengthy, and the one thing old cars don't like doing is sitting around on a warm day. It was a bit of a battlefield..... :well:

I gather that
(a) they had decided to charge £11 at the gate, so most tickets would have had to have £4 change with them, which needs a lot of planning for and
(b) normally there are 4 ticket lanes with four ticket sellers in each lane to keep things moving but on Saturday there were only two ticket lanes with one ticket seller on each lane.

I presume that this is still in the hands of the circuit operator (whichever it is now) and not the VSCC. When I was last involved with a race meeting there, the Club was charged a lot for circuit hire but could not have (or control) the gate money which also went to the circuit operator.


#49 Odseybod

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 13:46

I gather that
(a) they had decided to charge £11 at the gate, so most tickets would have had to have £4 change with them, which needs a lot of planning for and
(b) normally there are 4 ticket lanes with four ticket sellers in each lane to keep things moving but on Saturday there were only two ticket lanes with one ticket seller on each lane.

I presume that this is still in the hands of the circuit operator (whichever it is now) and not the VSCC. When I was last involved with a race meeting there, the Club was charged a lot for circuit hire but could not have (or control) the gate money which also went to the circuit operator.


I think I followed you up the A5, Allan, before turning off on my 'Whittlebury Wiggle', followed by that pleasant F & N Talbot tourer - or was it mistaken (car) identity? Anyway, when I arrived at about 10:20, there were indeed just two lanes at the gate, but two or three persons per lane. There was a long, long queue for the left-hand lane - might have been less overheating if people had been encouraged to form two lanes further back? Some of us assumed it was indeed possible and found ourselves with a much shorter wait, but it probably looked a bit rude (I told myself I was just making best use of the available road-space).

#50 Allan Lupton

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 14:31

I think I followed you up the A5, Allan, before turning off on my 'Whittlebury Wiggle', followed by that pleasant F & N Talbot tourer - or was it mistaken (car) identity? Anyway, when I arrived at about 10:20, there were indeed just two lanes at the gate, but two or three persons per lane. There was a long, long queue for the left-hand lane - might have been less overheating if people had been encouraged to form two lanes further back? Some of us assumed it was indeed possible and found ourselves with a much shorter wait, but it probably looked a bit rude (I told myself I was just making best use of the available road-space).

T'wasn't I!
Had it been, I too would have gone through Whittlebury as I have been doing for over 50 years!
I didn't go as (a) I haven't been there except to work for decades and I've stopped being a judge at VSCC events or a handicrapper at others and
(b) I had agreed to help guide a visiting party from the 20th Century Society round Letchworth that day before the VSCC date had been announced.