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[mba21]

Having a few spare minutes on my hands I just looked up the total number of Spanish riders in MotoGp

125cc there are 11
Gp2 there are 11
MotoGp 5


Ermmm this seems a bit top heavy Koff Koff

[SADBATCCM]

Having a few spare minutes on my hands I just looked up the total number of Spanish riders in MotoGp

125cc there are 11
Gp2 there are 11
MotoGp 5


Ermmm this seems a bit top heavy Koff Koff

Probably because they start younger over there and reap the rewords for doing so ... but everyone is now doing the same and within a few years normality will resume

[mba21]

Probably because they start younger over there and reap the rewords for doing so ... but everyone is now doing the same and within a few years normality will resume

Ermmm what is normality

[Continental Circus]

Having a few spare minutes on my hands I just looked up the total number of Spanish riders in MotoGp

125cc there are 11
Gp2 there are 11
MotoGp 5


Ermmm this seems a bit top heavy Koff Koff

Don't knock the Spanish for having so many riders in the W/C. Without Spanish money the GP's would have died long ago.
We have 2 UK riders in the 125 class, again thanks to Spanish money for Brad Smith and Dorna bailed out Danny Webb when his team this year folded.
In Moto2 out of 42 riders we have one rider, Scott Redding with a Belgian team. The pathic attitude of Britsh racing over the years has led to young riders having to go the Spanish route to eventally get into GP's.
There is one British company FTR who have had the balls to take on manufacturers from abroad, producing a Moto2 bike. Well done Steve Bones, you have shamed the British racing industry.
To show how switched on we are in this country, there are no plans to introduce a Moto2. The organisers killed off 250 racing here and tried to do the same with 125. Now look what the support race is at the British GP at Silverstone, a 250 club race. This country deserves being humiliated in GP racing.
I have every respect for our lads Brad, Danny and Scott for going the GP route, not bumbling around at BSB level.
Roy

[SADBATCCM]

Don't knock the Spanish for having so many riders in the W/C. Without Spanish money the GP's would have died long ago.
We have 2 UK riders in the 125 class, again thanks to Spanish money for Brad Smith and Dorna bailed out Danny Webb when his team this year folded.
In Moto2 out of 42 riders we have one rider, Scott Redding with a Belgian team. The pathic attitude of Britsh racing over the years has led to young riders having to go the Spanish route to eventally get into GP's.
There is one British company FTR who have had the balls to take on manufacturers from abroad, producing a Moto2 bike. Well done Steve Bones, you have shamed the British racing industry.
To show how switched on we are in this country, there are no plans to introduce a Moto2. The organisers killed off 250 racing here and tried to do the same with 125. Now look what the support race is at the British GP at Silverstone, a 250 club race. This country deserves being humiliated in GP racing.
I have every respect for our lads Brad, Danny and Scott for going the GP route, not bumbling around at BSB level.
Roy

GOOD ONE !!!!!

[Herr Wankel]

Don't knock the Spanish for having so many riders in the W/C. Without Spanish money the GP's would have died long ago.
We have 2 UK riders in the 125 class, again thanks to Spanish money for Brad Smith and Dorna bailed out Danny Webb when his team this year folded.
In Moto2 out of 42 riders we have one rider, Scott Redding with a Belgian team. The pathic attitude of Britsh racing over the years has led to young riders having to go the Spanish route to eventally get into GP's.
There is one British company FTR who have had the balls to take on manufacturers from abroad, producing a Moto2 bike. Well done Steve Bones, you have shamed the British racing industry.
To show how switched on we are in this country, there are no plans to introduce a Moto2. The organisers killed off 250 racing here and tried to do the same with 125. Now look what the support race is at the British GP at Silverstone, a 250 club race. This country deserves being humiliated in GP racing.
I have every respect for our lads Brad, Danny and Scott for going the GP route, not bumbling around at BSB level.
Roy

Blimey Roy,have you had your claws sharpened mate.Good point,well put.
ATB HW

[philippe7]

Thanks for that Roy - I am really a little puzzled by many Briton members's frequent stabs at the " dorna spanish clowns" or other such kindnesses...this is what I replied to the same sort of comments almost four years ago, I wouldn't change anything today....

This is maybe a litle unfair.....the Spanish Motorcycling Federation has always been very, very active in promoting the sport, going as far as actually financing some factory rides for Angel Nieto in the late 70's * ( once for Kreidler Van Veen ) or even buying the Piovaticci team to re-brand it Bultaco to ensure a spanish presence at the highest level. They raised the profile of the sport in the country and eventually ( it took some years.....) attracted national ( state-owned ) sponsors , widened the riders base and brought out some brilliant ones......so the situation today is really the consequence of this policy , and if Spain seems to be "running the show" , it didn't just fall from heaven like this......and the crowds at the 3 spanish rounds are always amongst the biggest of the year.


*At the same time, the ACU was spending its energy trying to save at any cost the TT's World Championship status by installing a phony TT formula "world championship" whose significance hardly ever crossed the borders of the british isles.....

.....and before everybody starts burning me down, let me make it clear that I have absolutely nothing against the TT as such , and that I have only admiration and respect for the bravery and courage of the TT riders or "real road racers" generally speaking ......it's only the keeping of the TT as a round of the "short circuits" world championship which stopped making sense many years before it actually was taken out and replaced by th Silverstone GP.....

I can understand a bit of historical frustration , comparing today's situation with the 50's where Britannia was also ruling Motorcycle Racing ....if you look at the link below , you will find that in 1954, a stunning 18 out of 27 riders classified in the World 500cc Championship were subjects of the British Empire .... and it was fairly much the same in the other years around these times . But times change, that's the way of the world....

http://racingmemo.fr...ents_54-500.htm

Edited by philippe7, 01 May 2010 - 19:54.

[Coupe Kawasaki]

Hear hear! Roy Maybe there is too much emphasis on F1 and it's hard to raise the money if bikes are competing for sponsors?


got the right ones now!


David

Edited by Coupe Kawasaki, 01 May 2010 - 20:16.

[fil2.8]

Thanks for that Roy - I am really a little puzzled by many Briton members's frequent stabs at the " dorna spanish clowns" or other such kindnesses...this is what I replied to the same sort of comments almost four years ago, I wouldn't change anything today....



I can understand a bit of historical frustration , comparing today's situation with the 50's where Britannia was also ruling Motorcycle Racing ....if you look at the link below , you will find that in 1954, a stunning 18 out of 27 riders classified in the World 500cc Championship were subjects of the British Empire .... and it was fairly much the same in the other years around these times . But times change, that's the way of the world....

http://racingmemo.fr...ents_54-500.htm

Would'nt disagree with most of that , Philippe

[Coupe Kawasaki]

nous nous avions notre pommes frites maintenent Philippe ? (or something like that terrible conjugation )


Can I cheer Ben Spies instead then? Since I live here and he's quite good



David

[exclubracer]

Don't knock the Spanish for having so many riders in the W/C. Without Spanish money the GP's would have died long ago.
We have 2 UK riders in the 125 class, again thanks to Spanish money for Brad Smith and Dorna bailed out Danny Webb when his team this year folded.
In Moto2 out of 42 riders we have one rider, Scott Redding with a Belgian team. The pathic attitude of Britsh racing over the years has led to young riders having to go the Spanish route to eventally get into GP's.
There is one British company FTR who have had the balls to take on manufacturers from abroad, producing a Moto2 bike. Well done Steve Bones, you have shamed the British racing industry.
To show how switched on we are in this country, there are no plans to introduce a Moto2. The organisers killed off 250 racing here and tried to do the same with 125. Now look what the support race is at the British GP at Silverstone, a 250 club race. This country deserves being humiliated in GP racing.
I have every respect for our lads Brad, Danny and Scott for going the GP route, not bumbling around at BSB level.
Roy

Good Rant, Roy!! and I agree with every word.

[exclubracer]

Thanks for that Roy - I am really a little puzzled by many Briton members's frequent stabs at the " dorna spanish clowns" or other such kindnesses...this is what I replied to the same sort of comments almost four years ago, I wouldn't change anything today....



I can understand a bit of historical frustration , comparing today's situation with the 50's where Britannia was also ruling Motorcycle Racing ....if you look at the link below , you will find that in 1954, a stunning 18 out of 27 riders classified in the World 500cc Championship were subjects of the British Empire .... and it was fairly much the same in the other years around these times . But times change, that's the way of the world....

http://racingmemo.fr...ents_54-500.htm

Agree with Philippe on this also

[philippe7]

I'm not pretending that it's only Britain which has suffered this sort of "decadence" ( does that word exist in english ? ) In the early to mid-80's , about half the field ( well , half the top runners ) in 250 and 350 were French , which made a young Philippe 7 very happy . Look where we have fallen today, with only one or two riders in each class...

By and large, it seems that only Italy has managed to perpetuate a top-level presence since the 1950's, not only in the sport, but, what is maybe more significant, also in the industry - while the english, french, spanish manufacturers collapsed one after the other in front of the japanes "invasion", Italy was the only country to keep a 2-wheel production going ( setting aside Germany, but that was really only BMW in a very specific share of the market ) - and mostly because they had kept a very live production of accessories ( suspensions, ignitions, tyres, etc....) to supply the "manufacturers" who only really bothered with the frames and engines...

Edited by philippe7, 02 May 2010 - 04:52.

[mba21]

Ermmmm well that cleared the air a bit

[Continental Circus]

Ermmmm well that cleared the air a bit

Thanks guys for your comments and support, this is a subject I feel strongly about. This country was sold out by the ACU many years ago when they went the Superbike route and blanked the GP's.
I thought I was an old pensioner on my own but it appears you think the same. I saw my first W/C meeting in 1953 and was blown away by it.
Regards,
Roy

[fil2.8]

Thanks guys for your comments and support, this is a subject I feel strongly about. This country was sold out by the ACU many years ago when they went the Superbike route and blanked the GP's.
I thought I was an old pensioner on my own but it appears you think the same. I saw my first W/C meeting in 1953 and was blown away by it.
Regards,
Roy

Well said , Roy

[fil2.8]

Just watching the Spanish GP 125 race , and i'm sure Toby Moody just said there were 4 Spanish GP's this year , is this right ??

[Herr Wankel]

Just watching the Spanish GP 125 race , and i'm sure Toby Moody just said there were 4 Spanish GP's this year , is this right ??

Tis true,theres one just over the fence from us now.Circuit Aragon,to replace the Hungarian round.
HW

[SADBATCCM]

Just watching the Spanish GP 125 race , and i'm sure Toby Moody just said there were 4 Spanish GP's this year , is this right ??

JEREZ... CATALUNYA...ARAGON.. VALENCIA....What country runs MotoGP

[fil2.8]

Tis true,theres one just over the fence from us now.Circuit Aragon,to replace the Hungarian round.
HW

Perhaps now GB has so many riders in the series , we ought to have 4 rounds , with Darley Moor , Lydden Hill , and a rebuilt Carnaby being used

[Herr Wankel]

Perhaps now GB has so many riders in the series , we ought to have 4 rounds , with Darley Moor , Lydden Hill , and a rebuilt Carnaby being used

Don't forget the Anglesey GP circuit!
HW

[fil2.8]

Don't forget the Anglesey GP circuit!
HW

Keeping that as first reserve , HW , in case the new licence holders of Carnaby cannot raise the funds ............................

[SADBATCCM]

Keeping that as first reserve , HW , in case the new licence holders of Carnaby cannot raise the funds ............................

Somehow I just can’t see 100.000 fans at Anglesey or Darley moor on a wet cold weekend in October

[fil2.8]

Somehow I just can’t see 100.000 fans at Anglesey or Darley moor on a wet cold weekend in October

Have faith , Timbo , Darley , no problem , Anglesey would probably sink !!

[Herr Wankel]

Keeping that as first reserve , HW , in case the new licence holders of Carnaby cannot raise the funds ............................

Nice one fil.Keep me posted on todays results as I HAVE to go down to the village hall for a 15euro Repas de la Chasse (Hunt Lunch).Only 6 courses and wine included.I'm sure I'll feel like **** later,but what the hell
HW

[fil2.8]

Nice one fil.Keep me posted on todays results as I HAVE to go down to the village hall for a 15euro Repas de la Chasse (Hunt Lunch).Only 6 courses and wine included.I'm sure I'll feel like **** later,but what the hell
HW

Bet you're not looking forward to that HW , don't think i'll bother with the one-make-engine series

[Herr Wankel]

Bet you're not looking forward to that HW , don't think i'll bother with the one-make-engine series

Save that one for later.I'm off now hic!!
HW

[picblanc]

Bet you're not looking forward to that HW , don't think i'll bother with the one-make-engine series

The one make engine series has turned out to be life giving blood to a MotoGP series that is on its arse!, (the last two laps of the Jerez race excepted), the rest was basically a procession of 17 bikes.
Moto2 on the other hand had thrilling racing from start to finish (so was qatar) with a grid of 40 bikes brilliant stuff!! Sad to say miles better than last few years of 250 two strokes, however much I liked them.

[fil2.8]

The one make engine series has turned out to be life giving blood to a MotoGP series that is on its arse!, (the last two laps of the Jerez race excepted), the rest was basically a procession of 17 bikes.
Moto2 on the other hand had thrilling racing from start to finish (so was qatar) with a grid of 40 bikes brilliant stuff!! Sad to say miles better than last few years of 250 two strokes, however much I liked them.

Shame about the multi - crash and all the oil dumped on the track , causing a clean up of Torrey Canyon proportions

[Russell Burrows]

The one make engine series has turned out to be life giving blood to a MotoGP series that is on its arse!, (the last two laps of the Jerez race excepted), the rest was basically a procession of 17 bikes.
Moto2 on the other hand had thrilling racing from start to finish (so was qatar) with a grid of 40 bikes brilliant stuff!! Sad to say miles better than last few years of 250 two strokes, however much I liked them.

Yes, I agree with Graham. And isn't this generally true of the Superbikes too? Surely full grids and close racing should always be the aim, regardless of almost anything else?

[SADBATCCM]

Shame about the multi - crash and all the oil dumped on the track , causing a clean up of Torrey Canyon proportions

1. The start of the Moto2 race reminded me of the gp at donnington when Kevin Schwantz came off at redgate and played oil marshal sat on his helmet waving every one off the offending oil
Moto2 best race so far this year

[picblanc]

Yes, I agree with Graham. And isn't this generally true of the Superbikes too? Surely full grids and close racing should always be the aim, regardless of almost anything else?

I think so Russ, WSB has been brilliant this year also with great close racing.
MotoGP is like F1, technically the pinnacle of Motorcycle racing/Car racing, but often dull, without Rossi it would hold little interest for many (unless you were Spanish!) MotoGP could be better if it goes down the Moto2 route, any frame you like, no factory supported teams, and only the engines provided by the factories, & no special engines for the chosen few, & one make of tyre.
Then there might be bigger grids & closer racing? Just my opinion.

[Rennmax]

Hi gents, sorry for my ignorance....what't the use of taking the foot from the peg like Rossi; Stoner etc do at the entrance of a corner? I assume everyone knows the reason why, I'm the only dumbhead

[picblanc]

Hi gents, sorry for my ignorance....what't the use of taking the foot from the peg like Rossi; Stoner etc do at the entrance of a corner? I assume everyone knows the reason why, I'm the only dumbhead

Next!....I have no idea either, Rossi started it, now many of them do it, even in WSB & BSB too, why?

[Rennmax]

Next!....I have no idea either, Rossi started it, now many of them do it, even in WSB & BSB too, why?

Thanks Graham, if the superstars will tie roastbeefs around their necks, everyone will follow suit I assume

[fil2.8]

Thanks Graham, if the superstars will tie roastbeefs around their necks, everyone will follow suit I assume

I guess they will , Renn , unless they are ' veggies '

I have no idea either , looks odd also

[Rennmax]

I guess they will , Renn , unless they are ' veggies '

I have no idea either , looks odd also

In the good ol days, you needed your feet for braking and changing gears, didn't know that you can ride a bike without that nowadays (yes I know, there are thumb controlled rear brakes, but as far as I know Mr Rossi' s bikes don't have them...)

well , the habit of dangling knees started the same mysterious way I suppose

[SADBATCCM]

In the good ol days, you needed your feet for braking and changing gears, didn't know that you can ride a bike without that nowadays (yes I know, there are thumb controlled rear brakes, but as far as I know Mr Rossi' s bikes don't have them...)

well , the habit of dangling knees started the same mysterious way I suppose

It’s used as an air brake and also away of drawing the bike into an over cooked corner??

[LucaP]

Hi gents, sorry for my ignorance....what't the use of taking the foot from the peg like Rossi; Stoner etc do at the entrance of a corner? I assume everyone knows the reason why, I'm the only dumbhead

Rossi said in an interview that that movement has actually almost no practical utility, but in his opinion taking the foot out gives the rider a psychological impression of slowing down more efficiently (because of the air resistance created by the leg)


I'm not sure I've managed to express the concept in correct English, but I hope it's at least readible.

can't find a link to that interview, though, sorry.

[picblanc]

Rossi said in an interview that that movement has actually almost no practical utility, but in his opinion taking the foot out gives the rider a psychological impression of slowing down more efficiently (because of the air resistance created by the leg)


I'm not sure I've managed to express the concept in correct English, but I hope it's at least readible.

can't find a link to that interview, though, sorry.

Good English Luca.

[Bjorn Kjer]

Well guys call them whatever , but if you look back from 1949 and then up to now , there has allways been waves of riders from specific countries , especially some of those with money , or machines or other things . A few years back there were many Japanese and back in the years when the famous super winning world champion Agostini and MV on their works 3 and 4 cyl. machines were hailed year after year for beating a large bunch af private weekend racers from Britain on 1 cyl. often years old machines. Earlier the Germans were many when NSU and DKW was there. Nothing new with Spaniards to day. A bit off I admit , but look at Superbike , about the same and right now 1/3 is UK and with a few others dominating. So to a certain point (money) it is "natural". But I also think that somehow and in many cases classes or more or less the whole scenes are "killed". One thing however with the new Moto2 class is the sound , it is even better than MotoGP (which is horrible poor).

[Rennmax]

Rossi said in an interview that that movement has actually almost no practical utility, but in his opinion taking the foot out gives the rider a psychological impression of slowing down more efficiently (because of the air resistance created by the leg)


I'm not sure I've managed to express the concept in correct English, but I hope it's at least readible.

can't find a link to that interview, though, sorry.

Thanks for that Luca ! Let's hope that no lower legs and/or feet will be injured in a infighting situation...

[exclubracer]

Rossi said in an interview that that movement has actually almost no practical utility, but in his opinion taking the foot out gives the rider a psychological impression of slowing down more efficiently (because of the air resistance created by the leg)


I'm not sure I've managed to express the concept in correct English, but I hope it's at least readible.

can't find a link to that interview, though, sorry.

Your English is perfectly correct Luca

Well explained, and thank you