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#151 TheChow

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 22:40

Hi everyone , I'm new on the forum.

I have the original tape (Not Vhs) 3/4 inch broadcast tape of the Marlboro Series 1976/77. Which you can find on you tube,however the crown and glory I have is the tape of the last series 1977/78 , 1 Hour documentary. Unfortunately this is only a VHS copy of the 16mm film shot. The original has completely disappeared.

Anyone interested in a copy on disc , just drop me a line here. If I get enough enquiries I will be happy to do more , at a cost of say $20 NZ plus PP. Or you can just wait till I eventually get on you tube.

Ian Dawson

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 22:46

Could H be Hurley Wilvert?......The red leathered rider is John Boote I think. :smoking:

It was going to be Hurley Wilvert , but it is actually Murray Sayle.With little George V talking to J Boote , at Ruapuna.

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Posted 30 May 2010 - 08:27

Hi Ian,

Welcome to the forum. Good to see you over on here, look forward to hearing your tales of the "Glory days" of NZ racing, and some of the newer stuff.

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Posted 30 May 2010 - 09:44

Yes Ian , welcome, and please post your stories and pictures !

#155 GD66

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 11:06

Actually the flairs would be the TV Commentator......who's name escapes me. Tony?



Tony Palmer. Woeful...


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Posted 31 May 2010 - 11:14

Ron Grant up front, Jim Landrebe in third position.....but who is the gentleman laying second, with the Premier helmet and #1 on his fairing ?



Keith Turner. 2nd in the 1971 500 title.


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Posted 31 May 2010 - 17:11

Did somebody mention Randy? I know this photo has not scanned too well but take my word for it, that's a skateboard he is on like most 16yo's would be. From the 75/76 series.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 19:17

So, obviously two different bikes , black numbers plates on one, white on the other , plus different painting scheme .... I's hard to tell since they both look big compared to Randy's size, but would the bottom one with the mag wheels be the 125, and the other one the 250 ?

Priceless pics, anyway :)

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 22:50

So, obviously two different bikes , black numbers plates on one, white on the other , plus different painting scheme .... I's hard to tell since they both look big compared to Randy's size, but would the bottom one with the mag wheels be the 125, and the other one the 250 ?

Priceless pics, anyway :)


Correct.....and thats Randys dad (Ed I think) :up: and Max Farquhar one of the great people from those days. :smoking:


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#160 TheChow

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 08:11

Hi I can Help here

1973/74 Season Pat was on TR750 for the latter rounds I pretty sure just Ruapuna as bikes were late getting to NZ along with Mark Brelsfords Harley. Dale Wylie won the series TR500 Watercooled Twin. This series John Boote debut the Yamaha TZ700 at Gracefield , first time raced in the world outside Japan.

1974/75 Pat Won on ex-Geoff Perry Works TR750
1975/76 Pat Won on ex-USA works TR750 which Rod Coleman bought , when Suzuki Stopped racing in USA , it was shipped out in a chev van.
1976/77 Pat Won on RG500
1977/78 Pat Did Not Come back to NZ as he had signed to ride for Heron Suzuki . Series won by Jeff Sayle TZ750

Hope this helps


Sure Glenn, I know you said so ( and I had copied your relevant post above ) But then, why does Mike write :



For me, "the end of 74" means the 74/75 series , and "the season before" with the Rickman 750 was 73/74, right ?

However, Mike is also wrong somewhere since "the year Dale Wylie won" was 73/74 , not 74/75.....

So, everybody's wrong ?

I'm not nitpicking, or questioning what you or others have said, obviously you were around the scene at the time and I wasn't , I'm just trying to get facts straight since there are so many mistakes repeated from one site to another on the web ( for instance, that Pat won the 74/75 series on a TR 500 ...) that I was hoping that this place, at least, could be faultless.

And more generally speaking , my idea in opening this thread was also to collect all posts relevant to the NZ races in one dedicated thread , instead of having it all scattered and lost among piles of irrelevant posts on the "main" thread.

Incidentally, I've sent a message to Chip Hennen via Facebook to point him to this thread and hopefully get his input . He's been working on his brother's bikes ever since Pat started back in '72 or something so he may remember some details ....



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Posted 01 June 2010 - 08:13

Bottom one Yamaha TA125 with trick wheels and disc brakes. I was very impressed , I only had a standard TA125.


Did somebody mention Randy? I know this photo has not scanned too well but take my word for it, that's a skateboard he is on like most 16yo's would be. From the 75/76 series.
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Posted 01 June 2010 - 09:39

Hi I can Help here

1973/74 Season Pat was on TR750 for the latter rounds I pretty sure just Ruapuna as bikes were late getting to NZ along with Mark Brelsfords Harley. Dale Wylie won the series TR500 Watercooled Twin. This series John Boote debut the Yamaha TZ700 at Gracefield , first time raced in the world outside Japan.

1974/75 Pat Won on ex-Geoff Perry Works TR750
1975/76 Pat Won on ex-USA works TR750 which Rod Coleman bought , when Suzuki Stopped racing in USA , it was shipped out in a chev van.
1976/77 Pat Won on RG500
1977/78 Pat Did Not Come back to NZ as he had signed to ride for Heron Suzuki . Series won by Jeff Sayle TZ750

Hope this helps


It sure does, thanks a lot Ian. Now, just one last thing to clarify : you say Pat's 750 arrived late in the 73/74 series for Ruapuna, I assume that would be the famous Rickman-19'wheels-wet clutch- GT 750 engined - etc.....Ron Grant built machine, that ended up in Stu Avant's hands a while later ?

So, did Pat use for the first races of the 73/74 series the 500-TR based "Sayonara special" that he maybe (?) had used on a first visit pre-Marlboro Series, in the 72/73 summer, and is that the bike pictured below ( from the first race at Pukekohe ) ?

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Sorry if I'm annoying everybody with those small details, but I like to have facts straight :blush:




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Posted 01 June 2010 - 09:57

1973/74 Season Pat was on TR750 for the latter rounds I pretty sure just Ruapuna as bikes were late getting to NZ along with Mark Brelsfords Harley.


This is very interesting Ian. So it confirms that Scott Brelsford (Mark's younger brother ) was there, but without a bike to ride, which explains why he found himself at Pukekohe, instead of being on duty riding in a series leg, on the sad day of December '73 when Cal Rayborn was killed , as mentioned in the two posts below copied from the Cal Rayborn thread.

And yes Peter, the Harley was ridden by Scott Brelsford. As I recall, its' arrival was much-delayed, and it didn't turn up until the last round of the Series. Scott, however had been out for weeks, spectating and partying. In those days, the off-track times between meetings were very social.... :cool:


All that follows was posted by "aquarius" on the MCN forum on July 16th, 2009
(....)I had to tell poor, young Scott Brelsford who was wandering around Puke in a daze, wondering what the hell was happening after they carted poor Cal off to Middlemore Hospital (.....).



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Posted 01 June 2010 - 18:46

Will check up for you. If Pat rode in the first races of the series it would have been on another bike. Yeah that pic looks like Puke.

It sure does, thanks a lot Ian. Now, just one last thing to clarify : you say Pat's 750 arrived late in the 73/74 series for Ruapuna, I assume that would be the famous Rickman-19'wheels-wet clutch- GT 750 engined - etc.....Ron Grant built machine, that ended up in Stu Avant's hands a while later ?

So, did Pat use for the first races of the 73/74 series the 500-TR based "Sayonara special" that he maybe (?) had used on a first visit pre-Marlboro Series, in the 72/73 summer, and is that the bike pictured below ( from the first race at Pukekohe ) ?

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Sorry if I'm annoying everybody with those small details, but I like to have facts straight :blush:



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Posted 01 June 2010 - 19:15

Yeah that pic looks like Puke.

That must indeed be the case - the man who took the pictures and sent them to me posts on here as Redneb and I assume he remembers where and when he took them ! ;)

BTW - the Shane Kelly photos are mine. I took them at Pukekohe one time when a mate loaned me his Zenit E, an old Russian camera with screw-on lenses. It had no light meter so I had to guess the settings.


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Posted 01 June 2010 - 19:25

Just to compare : two pictures of the 750 Suzuki that Pat used in 1973 in the US , we assume it is the one he brought to NZ and left here ( confirmed by Stu and Mike Sinclair ) Looks very different from the machine above...

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 08:19

Philippe, the above photos were definitely taken at Pukekohe - I only ever went there and Baypark.

That's the back straight during the days when there was a chicane about two-thirds of the way down the straight - the photo was taken there. I wish I'd written down some details of the photos at the time.



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Posted 03 June 2010 - 19:31

I'm glad I bought the 6 GT750s now...just needed to know how competitive a road bike COULD be. Did this have a six speed box? Any other info on the mods Philippe?


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Posted 03 June 2010 - 20:39

I'm glad I bought the 6 GT750s now...just needed to know how competitive a road bike COULD be. Did this have a six speed box? Any other info on the mods Philippe?


David

I took a brand new GT750 to a speed run at Ohaka just out of ChCH abou 1975? Best I could manage was 102mph :) I think Mike Sinclair had a factory TR750 and put it into a self made side car chassis?

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 21:14

I'm glad I bought the 6 GT750s now...just needed to know how competitive a road bike COULD be. Did this have a six speed box? Any other info on the mods Philippe?
David


David, check out this post and the following ones
http://forums.autosp...w...t&p=4222410

I think the main point is that this bike was built by Ron Grant around a tweaked 750 GT engine, not a TR - hence the wet clutch, and I assume 5-speed gearbox ? But some on here should know ....

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 03:53

Timaru '76/77. I count at least 6 possible winners maybe 7. :eek:

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 04:05

Wow, good pic, haven't seen that one for years, Levels had a couple of spots where those flip-flop pics looked just excellent. Chas M leads VC, Mike Vinsen queueing up on #49, #16 Brent Wylie and #7 Paul Goodyer. I can't pick the Nava helmet, looks like the one Stu had but I don't think he had a 350 that year, and B2...is that Macca, or that yellow and green bike that Ron Taylor rode ? :confused:

Oh, and Randy behind Chas' helmet.

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 07:36

I had a "déjà vu" feeling about that pic.... ;) Nice to have it in proper quality !

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I seem to remember that we had more or less identified Stu with the white Nava when this press clipping was first posted two years ago or something....but he'll be best qualified to confirm that himself.

By the way Hass, sorry to nitpick again but I think this is rather from the 77/78 series . At least, that's the year this pic was published in the french press to illustrate the series.....Apparently, the Timaru dates were December 31st/January 1st ....the new year's eve party in the paddock must have been something !



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Posted 04 June 2010 - 09:09

I had a "déjà vu" feeling about that pic....;) Nice to have it in proper quality !

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I seem to remember that we had more or less identified Stu with the white Nava when this press clipping was first posted two years ago or something....but he'll be best qualified to confirm that himself.

By the way Hass, sorry to nitpick again but I think this is rather from the 77/78 series . At least, that's the year this pic was published in the french press to illustrate the series.....Apparently, the Timaru dates were December 31st/January 1st ....the new year's eve party in the paddock must have been something !

Correct!!!!

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 10:29

Correct!!!!


Its 76/77...... :smoking:

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 11:07

You know what, "Luke" ? You got me really, really puzzled there..... and what doesn't help is that you guys were pretty conservative with your gear - Stu seems to have used an identical white Nava 1 helmet in 76/77 on his 750TZ than in 77/78 on Marco's RG....

So, did the Moto-Presse "special correspondent" ( who was Belgian rider Lawrence Gozlan , who took part in the 77/78 series and that you may remember ) mix some pictures he took that year, and some he purchased from the previous year ? I couldn't believe so, but then I found this scan of the magazine ( and from the same issue )
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And I have to admit that Vaughan's helmet ( Castrol sticker in the top pic, Marlboro sticker in the bottom one ) and Mortimer's leathers (Shell in top pic, Sarome in the bottom pic ) are different .... and so are the number plates, not that it proves a lot, but still... And Vaughan's helmet deco in the bottom pic is indeed more in line with the other pics identified as 76/77 .

Plus, something I only just realised, if it really is Mamola's helmet behind Chas's head, it can't be 77/78 since as far as I know he wasn't there...

So, as much as I hate to admit it, it looks like the magazine did use some archives shots of the previous year .....

Sorry for bugging everybody with those " boring old fart's" ( as I'm qualified elsewhere....) details :blush:


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Posted 04 June 2010 - 13:06

Plus, something I only just realised, if it really is Mamola's helmet behind Chas's head, it can't be 77/78 since as far as I know he wasn't there...

Correct.

It is '76/77. Number C3 on the 350 which won the series and came back in '77/78 with number 01 as the defending champion, and his 250 numberplate in '76/77 was D3 on which he won 4 of the 5 races they ran (seized in the 5th while leading). There was a photo long since lost with VC on the 250 at Wanganui standing on the footrests looking back between his legs to see where everyone had disappeared to. No chance of finding it sorry. :|

Here he is (poor quality sorry) in the '77/78 series (number 01) trying to figure out how to get away with being sponsored by both Castrol (leathers) AND Shell (sticker on screen). :rotfl:

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 00:19

yep 76/77. randy wasn't there for 77/78

You know what, "Luke" ? You got me really, really puzzled there..... and what doesn't help is that you guys were pretty conservative with your gear - Stu seems to have used an identical white Nava 1 helmet in 76/77 on his 750TZ than in 77/78 on Marco's RG....

So, did the Moto-Presse "special correspondent" ( who was Belgian rider Lawrence Gozlan , who took part in the 77/78 series and that you may remember ) mix some pictures he took that year, and some he purchased from the previous year ? I couldn't believe so, but then I found this scan of the magazine ( and from the same issue )
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And I have to admit that Vaughan's helmet ( Castrol sticker in the top pic, Marlboro sticker in the bottom one ) and Mortimer's leathers (Shell in top pic, Sarome in the bottom pic ) are different .... and so are the number plates, not that it proves a lot, but still... And Vaughan's helmet deco in the bottom pic is indeed more in line with the other pics identified as 76/77 .

Plus, something I only just realised, if it really is Mamola's helmet behind Chas's head, it can't be 77/78 since as far as I know he wasn't there...

So, as much as I hate to admit it, it looks like the magazine did use some archives shots of the previous year .....

Sorry for bugging everybody with those " boring old fart's" ( as I'm qualified elsewhere....) details :blush:



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Posted 05 June 2010 - 00:53

You know what, "Luke" ? You got me really, really puzzled there..... and what doesn't help is that you guys were pretty conservative with your gear -


Conservative :eek: The fairing was outrageous back then!!!! :smoking:


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Posted 05 June 2010 - 01:27

Sorry, probably wrong use of the word "conservative" , what I meant is that you kept your gear from one season to the next - although I just noticed that your 76/77 leathers seem to have a Suzuki "S" on the chest, changed to Castol in 77/78 according to Hass's pic. ....

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 11:20

Can anyone confirm that this is a sticker relating to the subject of this thread?

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If so, any idea which year?

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 11:36

My guess would be the 1974/75 series, Twinny. Where did that turn up ?

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 11:56

I've had it for a couple of years, but I can't recall where it came from exactly. It wasn't NZ though as I don't think I've ever scored any stickers from over there!

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 11:56

Can anyone confirm that this is a sticker relating to the subject of this thread?

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If so, any idea which year?

I'm sure it is and naturally every time you wanted the sticker to look real good you used #7

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 15:18

David, check out this post and the following ones
http://forums.autosp...w...t&p=4222410

I think the main point is that this bike was built by Ron Grant around a tweaked 750 GT engine, not a TR - hence the wet clutch, and I assume 5-speed gearbox ? But some on here should know ....





Thanks Philippe and Stu :up: ..they aren't very quick standard :rolleyes: When I get the chance I'll get them all stripped down..the cylinder is a pain to shift on these after a few years but we had some success on a couple of them..the '72 is different and the one to have apparently :)


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Posted 07 June 2010 - 18:54

You are right about the cylinders being hard to remove, I did one up in the late 70's. The factory tool was a plate 1/2 thick which bolted to the top of the cylinders, with bolts that went down and contacted the studs. The theory was , as you wound down the bolts the cylinder came up. well in my case the cylinder only came up about 3mm, then the threads in the plate started stripping. I had to cut the studs off with a hacksaw blade and replace them all. A bad design fault, the holes that the studs came up through stepped were about 3 or so mm larger than the studs, but stepped down to a tight fit at the bottom end, so any corrosion on the studs prevented the removal of the cylinders. My memory is a bit hazy on them now, but I seem to recall the studs actually went thru the water jackets.

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 01:56

Hi Robin :wave: I'll have to make a tool when I have time...they have been soaking for about 4 years now (down the line a bit unfortunately :rolleyes: ) I had to throw away two H1 motors because of it.(less gearbox/clutch etc)..completely impossible...not worth the time as you can buy them at a fair price and most need a rebore anyway. I'm sure it'll give me something to do on the dark winter nights :rolleyes:




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Posted 09 June 2010 - 02:15

Getting the hang of this. This cracking image is from a Marlboro Series poster, which is undated. It's from my brother's collection of memorabilia and may be for the first series.

I've tried to capture how good this artwork is, but neither photo nor scan do it justice in any way. We had a discussion about who it is. The bike is a Kawasaki, number 26 (obviously) and the word on the chinpiece of the Bell Star helmet starts with what looks like a C.

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My brother (Lee) also had a few comments about the thread. First his admiration for the Japanese works rider Hideo Kanawa. Lee was particularly interested in Kanawa because Lee worked for Whites, the Yamaha agents. Kanawa was riding the factory Yamaha which was a hideous pig of a bike that wobbled its way round every circuit. The bike went round the sweeper at Pukekohe in a series of tank slappers and Lee reckoned Kanawa was the bravest rider he'd ever seen.



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Posted 09 June 2010 - 02:36

The basis for the original sketch was probably the American Kawasaki team rider Cliff Carr, who used to ride under #26. That artwork was later modified so that the number was 06 for some reason. And yes, I can confirm that Kanaya was one of the bravest I've seen, even noticeable on medium-speed corners when he turned the Timaru esses into a series of left-right slides under power. The works 750 met a sad demise when it caught fire and pulled to a halt in the final leg of the series at Ruapuna. Kanaya, a factory man to the end, held onto the bars while hiding round the front of the bike hoping the fuel tank wouldn't explode as the inept marshals of the day went through their Keystone Cops routine with the traditional fire extinguisher technique...

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 04:15

The basis for the original sketch was probably the American Kawasaki team rider Cliff Carr

I reckon it is in fact Rick Perry who always wore #26 in Australia on his white Bell Star and is a Kiwi in what was a Kiwi race series. Make sense?

Anyway moving along here is a rare shot of Stu on his 350 '76/77 at Gracefield first lap.....

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.....second lap.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:38

I reckon it is in fact Rick Perry who always wore #26 in Australia on his white Bell



Fair call, and two good pics. :up:


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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:39

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Difficult to say, really.... would depend when the artwork was used I guess - Rick Perry (above) only joined the Kawasaki OZ squad in 1977 I think, and therefore only ran in the last Marlboro series... so if the artwork is earlier , it doesn't fit ...and even if the artwork was from 77/78, would they have chosen a newcomer ?

On the other hand , Cliff Carr ( below ) was indeed a Kawasaki US rider in 72 and 73 , before moving to Suzuki in 74 .. and 26 was also his AMA number. So if the artwork is from an earlier series, it may well be based on him ...

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But it's everybody's guess, really.....

Folks, I have received some sensational new Marlboro Series stuff :clap: , that I'll try to post tonight if my dear youngest son leaves me access to the home 'puter ... :rolleyes:

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 08:01

Now, a pedant would suggest that Rick Perry's bike sports a front mudguard, the calipers behind the front forks, and laydown rear shocks, but meh, it surely can't matter over 30 years later...what IS important, is that all this stuff is finally surfacing from all over the joint, and in one spot. Quite a treat, so thanks everyone.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 08:22

Yeah, but the Rick Perry shot is from 78 at Lakeside, so it can't have been the model for the drawing . Moreover, he has two exhausts ( with silencers ) on the left hand side of the bike, whereas the earlier model H2R's ( like the one in the drawing ) had them on right... which is why I personally think the Carr track is the good one...although it doesn't help that Rick Perry chose the same #26...

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 08:52

Friends, I have been sent some sensational material by Shane ( who is a new member here as Redneb ) who had already provided the B&W pics of Pukekohe 1973 :

There it is :love:

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 08:57

Yeah, but the Rick Perry shot is from 78 at Lakeside, so it can't have been the model for the drawing . Moreover, he has two exhausts ( with silencers ) on the left hand side of the bike, whereas the earlier model H2R's ( like the one in the drawing ) had them on right... which is why I personally think the Carr track is the good one...although it doesn't help that Rick Perry chose the same #26...


You are correct.....no mufflers were required when Cliff Carr was riding that bike. :up:


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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:08

Wish I knew how to stick two digital pictures together.... I don't !

I think Vaughan is disappearing in the centerfold with #C3....Stu and Jeff are there and visible, some ID work to do on the others, guys, is the #4 Ken Fletcher that we have discussed before ? Still had his Ron Grant helmet in 76/77 !

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:12

68 is Paul McLachlan, C6 Ian Scattergood, D is Doug Sharp, W Warren Willing of course. And yes, that's Fletch on #4, and behind him in the small pic is Jean-Phillipe Orban.

#199 philippe7

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:20

Now, THE gem in this programme...although my "completist maniac" self ( as I'm qualified elsewhere ...) would have prefered to have the detailed results of each leg ( 2 per circuit ? ) rather than just the aggregate, this is still bloody good ... at last, we have all the venues and top results .

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I think I have most of the 77/78 results in the stuff I've left in France and I'll take a look when I go there in July , in order to complete the above .

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:31

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