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#1 Falcadore

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 21:30

Can someone help identify these two cars seen at Speed on Tweed?

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#2 Ken Herd

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 21:45

Can someone help identify these two cars seen at Speed on Tweed?

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Would the black car be a Maurer F2, Stefan Bellof ran



#3 timbo

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 21:47

Can someone help identify these two cars seen at Speed on Tweed?

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The black car is Ian Buddery's 1983 Lola T700 Indy car.

The Marlboro liveried car is Chris Farrell's ex-Thierry Boutsen Spirit-Honda 201/5 BMW (European F2).


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Posted 12 May 2010 - 21:53

Pretty sure the black car is a Maurer MM83 - one of the best liveries ever imho.

And the Marlboro car is almost certainly a Spirit 201 from 1982 - Louis de Poortiere was a long-time sponsor of Thierry Boutsen (hence the Belgian flag below the roll hoop).

Both F2 cars of course.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 22:01

I knew I was wrong about the black car as soon as I posted the reply.

It does look very much an F2 car and not an Indy Car.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 22:06

The top one is most likely a Maurer wether it's Bellof's Maurer is anybodies guess from a picture see :-

http://counter-x.net...llof/1983f2.jpg

The bottom car is a Spirit F2 car

http://www.powrgards...6fe1ff988a1.jpg

This Marlboro bedecked ran with an enclosed 6 cylinder Honda engine so the 4 cylinder in the Marlboro bedecked picture would point to the car in question possibly being an ex Jo Gartner Chassis see :-

http://www.powrgards...370a357cb9d.jpg

This is what a Lola T700 looks like :-)

http://i26.photobuck...offAMI43-83.jpg

Apologies I only have web pics to work with :-)

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 22:13

I was gonna say, if that's a CART Lola where's the rest of it? :eek: The F3000 cars from a couple of years later that used Lola's CART chassis as a base weren't exactly svelte...

Was there a rather more portly single-seater running Falcadore?

#8 Falcadore

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 01:59

I was gonna say, if that's a CART Lola where's the rest of it? :eek: The F3000 cars from a couple of years later that used Lola's CART chassis as a base weren't exactly svelte...

Was there a rather more portly single-seater running Falcadore?


Not at Speed on Tweed, but I have seen images of a similarly coloured Indycar running at Phillip Island Historics earlier this year hidden amongst all the gorgeousness of those pre-war Alfa Romeos.

It has been suggested to me that the Spirit, or a another car similarly coloured, might be mocked up from a Ralt RT4. Glad to know this might not actually be the case.

Edited by Falcadore, 13 May 2010 - 02:01.


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 02:36

It has been suggested to me that the Spirit, or a another car similarly coloured, might be mocked up from a Ralt RT4. Glad to know this might not actually be the case.
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I would keep an open mind on the 'might' the word 'possible' is used judiciously in these matters with good reason, either way if the Marlboro car is a Spirit it has a bodywork colour / engine combination that was never raced this fact alone should be grounds for copious suspicion :-)

Edited by arttidesco, 13 May 2010 - 02:43.


#10 Falcadore

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 03:42

And this small sporty, any ideas? Possibly a Sports 2000?

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 09:17

And this .. Possibly a Sports 2000?

Looks like a Tiga S2000 to me. Possibly an SC79 or 80? Marque experts will be more clued up than me.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 15:14

Looking at this Swedish site full of S2000 pics it's very difficult to tell if the #5 in question is a 79 or 80 or maybe a combination of the two, but it certainly appears to be a pre 81 Tiga :-)

#13 John M Cannon

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 16:28

I believe the black car is a DART Formula Atlantic car from 1983. We had one in the shop years ago and this car looks remarkably similar. As I remember, the car was meant to be a 7/8 scale Williams and was apparently done by a couple ex-Williams guys. Dave McMillan ran one in late '83 in the "Mondial" series (as F/A was called in those days...) Nicely done car in its day - honeycomb lower/composite upper tub.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 22:01

I've had a look at which Maurer the black single seater at the top of this thread could be here are some ref pics that might shed light on the matter sorry none of the pics are mine

http://www.flickr.co...gen/3540986918/

MM 80 Cape Town 1981

http://www.zipp.co.u...jpg.html#scroll

MM80 Sheisley Walsh

http://www.galeriede...urer-bmw-02.jpg

MM81 1981

http://www.galeriede...urer-bmw-01.jpg

MM81 Guerrero

http://farm4.static....cd21ae2.jpg?v=0

MM82 Thruxton Thruxton F2 1982

http://i271.photobuc...1SSIT102-16.jpg

Maurer MM82 - Spare car
International Trophy F2 - Silverstone 20 March 1982 picture by driver 71

http://www.sdsefi.co...es/sept00f2.htm

Restored MM83 note roll hoop mod

http://www.thx.org/B...1_F2_Zolder.htm

MM83 Zolder 1983

I'd say most likely this is a Maurer MM83 certainly seems to be the way the body work is painted but I am still not absolutely convinced by that nose looks a little too rounded.

#15 Falcadore

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 02:30

The first car does have Maurer written across the nosecone near the wind deflector so that certainly supports the MM83 suggestions and counts against DART. The round logo on the S2000 nosecone threw me as the shot isn't sharp enough to pick out and Tiga didn't immediately occur to me. There's quite a bunch of old S2000s emerging in my corner of the world, along with some similarly aged and engined FF2000s as well. Lolas, Tigas, Swifts and a few Reynards in FF2000, although one is oddly wingless.

Just adding a whole bunch of racing and sports racing cars of varying ages to my photbucket account, over 100 now and climbing and I've had some difficulty labelling them all. Thanks all for the assists.

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 07:18

The black car at the speed on Tweed seen here IS a Maurer MM83 Euro F2 - chassis No1 based Brisbane Qld.
I am the owners brother.
It is in F2 form complete with BMW M12 & aluminium/carbon tub.

This car has been in Australia since October 2005 but to date this has been it's only outing.
A race debut may come later this year at an Historic race meet.

Chris Farrell is the owner of the red/white Spirit Euro F2 BMW who races quite regularly in Australian historics.
This car is apparently the ex Jo Gartner/ Thierry Boutsen example & a very nice bit of gear.

Hope this clears things up for you guys!

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 07:49

The black car at the speed on Tweed seen here IS a Maurer MM83 Euro F2 - chassis No1 based Brisbane Qld.
I am the owners brother.
It is in F2 form complete with BMW M12 & aluminium/carbon tub.

This car has been in Australia since October 2005 but to date this has been it's only outing.
A race debut may come later this year at an Historic race meet.

Chris Farrell is the owner of the red/white Spirit Euro F2 BMW who races quite regularly in Australian historics.
This car is apparently the ex Jo Gartner/ Thierry Boutsen example & a very nice bit of gear.

Hope this clears things up for you guys!


Cool Job done ! :-)

Thanks 'mini73'