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#3151 metz

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 18:25

The CotA guys are pretty tight lipped. It's Tavo Hellmund who seems to copy the Statesman on every memo. To me, it's a sign of weakness that he feels he needs to sway public opinion in the matter.

Or Hellmund feels he has public opinion on his side already and is leveraging it to counter any technical or legal arguments.
Of course CotA is tight liped. Why would they attempt to explain how and why they screwed a partner? It's business, and they need to rely on the lawyers, in other word, legal arguments.

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#3152 Watkins74

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 18:30

The CotA guys are pretty tight lipped. It's Tavo Hellmund who seems to copy the Statesman on every memo. To me, it's a sign of weakness that he feels he needs to sway public opinion in the matter.

:up:
I think I am only one of seven people in the world (besides the teams who love him) who thinks Bernie is not the devil. Hellmund has had a 40 year relationship with Ecclestone yet people don't even allow for the possibility that Tavo isn't a perfect angel.

#3153 AustinF1

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 19:27

:up:
I think I am only one of seven people in the world (besides the teams who love him) who thinks Bernie is not the devil.

I'm a big Bernie fan. I think there are a lot of us, but the detractors are MUCH more vocal.

#3154 AustinF1

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 19:34

Dave Doolittle's Statesman writeup of today's "Topping Off" ceremony:

http://www.statesman...ials_celeb.html

#3155 BRG

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 20:50

I'm a big Bernie fan. I think there are a lot of us, but the detractors are MUCH more vocal.

I guess you must be thanking him for those cheap COTA ticket prices.

I reckon Bernie's biggest achievement is to somehow persuade otherwise sensible people to believe that his sucking 50% of the profits out of F1 has been a good thing for the sport.

#3156 AustinF1

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 20:56

I guess you must be thanking him for those cheap COTA ticket prices.

I reckon Bernie's biggest achievement is to somehow persuade otherwise sensible people to believe that his sucking 50% of the profits out of F1 has been a good thing for the sport.

Those prices aren't Bernie's doing.

#3157 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 20:58

No but he sets the market. COTA can't sell them at Indycar prices and expect to survive for longer than 12 months.

#3158 BRG

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 21:00

Those prices aren't Bernie's doing.

Of course they are - they are a direct result of the massive amount that he demands for the right to lose money running a F1 GP. Unless the track is subsidised by the government and they make the taxpayer swallow the costs.

#3159 AustinF1

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 22:01

Statesman construction photos posted a little while ago:

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#3160 GreenMachine

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 22:08

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Boat harbour? Swimming pool? or just part of the drainage?

#3161 AustinF1

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 22:20

Boat harbour? Swimming pool? or just part of the drainage?

Amphitheater.

#3162 GreenMachine

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 23:04

Amphitheater.


Thanks.

Looks like you are getting some warm weather there, from the cracking in the ground - long may it continue.

#3163 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 00:16

Remember the buy-sell clause mentioned in the Statesman article a while back?

http://www.statesman...es-2298638.html


Interesting how little both parties have in the game. I'd be surprised if Red coughs up anymore money. This is a mess! This spokesman, Sweavzy or whatever his name is looks like he's WAY in over his head. As we say here in the States, an empty suit. :down:

#3164 Rubens Hakkamacher

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 00:24

Cheapest stand tickets appear to be $375. Oh well. Trying to make your entire investment back in one race is probably not going to end well.



#3165 HaydenFan

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 00:31

Cheapest stand tickets appear to be $375. Oh well. Trying to make your entire investment back in one race is probably not going to end well.


Considering that the other North American Grand Prix sees 3 day passes going for under 300 a ticket.

#3166 tomspar

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 00:43

got an email 1 hr ago from cota regarding updated ticket site...

but the site does not work :stoned:

UPDATE site now works, all seats offered require a psl

http://circuitofthea...cas.com/tickets

Edited by tomspar, 13 April 2012 - 00:45.


#3167 Slowinfastout

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 00:50

I was actually LOL'ing as I clicked to find out if they found some sense with the official prices...

This is batshit crazy stuff right there lol, cheapest seat will cost ya $1875 the first year.

#3168 Les

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 00:55

Cheapest stand tickets appear to be $375. Oh well. Trying to make your entire investment back in one race is probably not going to end well.


Crazy. Seriously I don't mean to sound mega ignorant but is everybody in Texas mega-rich or as I suspect are the tickets massively over-priced?

#3169 tomspar

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 01:01

the ticket prices seem high, but with the psl, they are really absurd. i wonder how many have sold.

#3170 Slowinfastout

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 01:01

I guess the average family isn't targeted at all, at least not to occupy any seats in the grandtands.. The average Joe Somebody who wants to take the wife and (2) kids will have to cough up $7500 just for the tickets and license.

This is completely out of reach even for the upper middle-class type of family.

#3171 Les

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 01:08

I guess the average family isn't targeted at all, at least not to occupy any seats in the grandtands.. The average Joe Somebody who wants to take the wife and (2) kids will have to cough up $7500 just for the tickets and license.

This is completely out of reach even for the upper middle-class type of family.


That's crazy what if Dad wants to take his kids then the kids become interested and become long-term customers (say a dad taking his kids to a Grand Prix at Brands in the 70's and the son is taking his kids to Silverstone now).

#3172 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 01:17

That's crazy what if Dad wants to take his kids then the kids become interested and become long-term customers (say a dad taking his kids to a Grand Prix at Brands in the 70's and the son is taking his kids to Silverstone now).


They are not interested in families with kids only rich people from Europe and other countries. :down:

#3173 jj2728

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 01:21

the ticket prices seem high, but with the psl, they are really absurd. i wonder how many have sold.



won't matter cause this race aint gonna happen....no way.

#3174 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 01:44

won't matter cause this race aint gonna happen....no way.


I agree, Red will walk on that $8M in a Texas minute. :down:


#3175 AustinF1

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 03:01

That's crazy what if Dad wants to take his kids then the kids become interested and become long-term customers (say a dad taking his kids to a Grand Prix at Brands in the 70's and the son is taking his kids to Silverstone now).

As I may have mentioned, everything these guys do indicates they have no respect for the sport, its history, its participants, or its fans, and that they have no intention whatever of building the fanbase to secure the longterm success of the circuit.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 03:04

Cheapest stand tickets appear to be $375. Oh well. Trying to make your entire investment back in one race is probably not going to end well.

$1875 the first year. EACH. $375 annually after that, and you're committed to buy them or sell off the PSL to some other foo...I mean "fan".

#3177 Watkins74

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 03:18

I agree, Red will walk on that $8M in a Texas minute. :down:

I bet Red stays. He just attended the topping off ceremony.

Edited by Watkins74, 13 April 2012 - 03:19.


#3178 AustinF1

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:30

Two years ago I paid ~250 for 2 days at the Canadian GP (Saturday & Sunday). On Saturday I sat at the hairpin and on Sunday I was at Turn 2-3.

For what I spent on that entire last-minute trip (rental car, hot Canadian strippers, 4 nights' in hotels, hot Canadian strippers, airfare purchased a week before the race, hot Canadian strippers, food, hot Canadian strippers, vodka, and.....hot Canadian strippers) I can get almost 1.5 of the cheapest tickets to COTA.

#3179 Xpat

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:07

If I wanted to see a race that was going to cost that much I would use all my frequent flier miles and spend the weekend at Silverstone or Spa or Monza.

Bitch all you want about the dull IMS track but I went to practice, qualifying, and had 10 race tickets all for about $1000.

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#3180 sergeym

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:17

These prices seem insane, especially considering F1 is not exactly most popular sport in the US....

#3181 jonpollak

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:26

If I wanted to see a race that was going to cost that much I would use all my frequent flier miles and spend the weekend at Silverstone or Spa or Monza.

Bitch all you want about the dull IMS track but I went to practice, qualifying, and had 10 race tickets all for about $1000.



Do ya remember that $10 Friday ticket?...
Jp

#3182 wrighty

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:41

Do ya remember that $10 Friday ticket?...
Jp


these prices make THE MOST EXPENSIVE SEAT at Daytona (currently $157 for the Sprint Tower or my personal fave $104 for '2012 Coke Zero 400 Monsters pit road patio party' which features food & drink AND preferential parking AND a celeb appearance AND pre-race pitlane walkabout AND hospitality) seem.....well a little archaic by comparison! :lol:

They're off their fcukin nuts.

#3183 One

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:02

It look slike a stadium section, huge tho

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:09

woops a lot f posts in between.

7500 USD for week end wth familyis a kinda crazy price, did not know that COTA was at Texas Middle East. Is Texas a new capital of Bahrein?

#3185 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:10

What?

#3186 EvanRainer

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:28

What?


Beats me, I've given up trying to decipher his posts.

#3187 HaydenFan

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:59

I'll take a stab at translation.

With the ticket prices and the PSL so ridiculously high, it seems as if the COTA is thinking that it's fans are all like those 10-12 Sheikhs who attend the Middle East GP's at Bahrain and Abu Dhabi and can afford to pay the higher than high ticket prices. So based on they ineptitude of the people running this event it seems as if Texas is addition of another Middle East race.

Right?

Kind of a way to think about it. Not the way I do, but then again, I'm planning on buying a General Admission seats. Enjoyed sitting on the grassy knoll at Indy a heck of a lot better than the grandstands.

#3188 Xpat

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 13:10

Do ya remember that $10 Friday ticket?...
Jp


No, I thought general admission were $20 or $25. Well then my F1 weekend at IMS was about $1000 including practice, qualifications, 10 tickets AND track dogs and an adult beverage.

To be fair IMS should have charged a bit more and maybe the sanctioning fee would have been a bit more palatable.

#3189 ChrisF1MyLife

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 13:32

That settles it for me, I'm going to Laguna Seca for the MotoGP weekend and camping. Sorry Texas.

#3190 rdrcr

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 15:02

Looks like the rumors were true. That’s some pretty ambitious ticket pricing… Even wealthy individuals with the means and desire will only take so many of them. Then what? They (the organizers) will be left with thousands of empty seats. Moreover, I am quite certain that if those who forked over the required xyz mega-dollars and wound up sitting next to people who got theirs at the last minute for a fraction of the price, they would have somebody’s head on a stick. I just don’t see how the promoters can discount them after they’ve stated the “entry fee” so to speak.

What a cluster#uck... Unbelievable –

Edited by rdrcr, 13 April 2012 - 15:03.


#3191 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 15:33

Do ya remember that $10 Friday ticket?...
Jp


Yep and they treated you right. AND they had a real parking plan with excellent in and out traffic flow. :up:


#3192 pup

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 15:34

These prices are no different from what we've known for some time. Not news.

They're definitely expensive, but I wish them all the luck in the world - they need to make money if the GP is going to stay.

Personally, I wouldn't pay it, but many will/have.

#3193 red stick

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 15:47

These prices are no different from what we've known for some time. Not news.

That was my thought--still waiting for the actual news about pricing for non-grandstand admission, which they seem determined to hold onto until June-July.

I seem to recall that the completion date for the project actually needs to be sometime in October, so that the FIA can inspect the track no less than six weeks or so before the race and "certify" it, or whatever. Or am I mistaken about that?

#3194 AustinF1

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 15:53

These prices are no different from what we've known for some time. Not news.

They're definitely expensive, but I wish them all the luck in the world - they need to make money if the GP is going to stay.

Personally, I wouldn't pay it, but many will/have.

The news is that they've released this info to the public. A lot more people are seeing these prices now because before there was no official release. Also, for months when talking about these tickets we heard repeatedly from some that we don't even know if those would be the real prices. We did know, but now we can point to this release.

There is also new info in there, like new seating diagrams, the strange orientation of the Turn 1 stands, and the location/orientation of the 2 Turn 15 bleachers.

Edited by AustinF1, 13 April 2012 - 16:01.


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 15:55

Kind of late with the uproar folks. Many told everyone here what the costs were earlier in the thread.

Every F1/motor-sports 'fan' that I know has passed on this. I am talking about serious fans, and they all have enough 'money' too.

The only person I know that is still contemplating this is the CEO for mid-size company. They are still considering box/suite options (on the companies dime of course). The thing is, they hardly know shiit about motorsports (let alone F1). I can guarantee their employes and customers know even less. They just think it might be the in-thing to do; yet they are finding the pricing/commitment very difficult too.

It was a funny coincidence that I was in their office visiting when the COTA called him 'again.' Basically trying to blow him over the phone. Essentially COTA wants everyone that goes to the race (having a seat) to be there on a corporate perk... Sounds like fun huh? A bunch a clueless 'fans' in the grand stands. Maybe they can try to start a tradition where the women wear fancy hats?

I am just glad there will be a great tack to play-on closer to my home.

Side-Note. Some wording has changed on their ticketing information pages; they are trying to cove their bases if this PSL thing fails.

Edited by CrushedDreams, 13 April 2012 - 16:07.


#3196 Slowinfastout

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 16:02

call me naive, but I expected the prices to be revised when officially revealed... but no, the madness is intact.

As for general admission, it would be strange for these to be 'normally' priced.. but even then, looking at the state of the site now, it's difficult to imagine a nice grassy place to sit for a weekend.

Pretty sure I will wait for next year now...

#3197 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 16:02

If you want a corporate jolly, go to the Houston Indycar street race next year. Drop a zero from your budget.

#3198 AustinF1

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 16:11

...but no, the madness is intact.

You have no idea.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 16:25

Individual ticket packages for the 2012 FORMULA 1 UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX NOV 16-18 will go on sale early this summer.


Am I really the only one who noticed the quote above? :rolleyes:


And speaking of prices, without those insanely high tickets packages (corporate hospitality which brings over 50 mil dollars every year), Singapore GP would be over before it even started.

Edited by blackonyx4, 13 April 2012 - 16:26.


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 16:36

I'm still waiting to see if there will be other grandstands. The Tilke track diagrams used to show a set of "temporary" bleachers at the end of the back straight, which seemed a prime spot to sit. The diagram showed temporary bleachers installed all along the right side of the track coming down from Turn 1, and two sets bracketing the hairpin; but I see nothing in the pricing about those, either. All there is main straight, Turn 1, and Turn 15. Is that all they intend to have for formal seating? There's not 120,000 seats there.

Not sure why anyone would want to sit in the Turn 15 corner, they're well into the Mikey Mouse part of the track there. Maybe to see the cars coming down the back straight head-on? Very confusing.

Much as I'm trying to stay positive, these guys are working on my last nerve. Release the whole seating/attendance package, will ya?