439 replies to this topic

[Kimiraikkonen]

After this Turkey qualifying, several mistakes and the crash on saturday third free practice in last GP, I think Fernando Alonso is a lucky driver but overrated.

This is my opinion, and I´m spanish and live in Santander.

regards mates

[Henrytheeigth]

He sure ain't a shining light in F1's dim world Yea he has to get back onto the saddle (Been playing Red dead redemption) and really do well in the future to not only beat Massa but to not look like a git. Let's see..

[Lights]

The answer is no.

Drivers have their off-days.

Anyone remember Hamilton qualifying 11th in Melbourne?

[P123]

After this Turkey qualifying, several mistakes and the crash on saturday third free practice in last GP, I think Fernando Alonso is a lucky driver but overrated.

This is my opinion, and I´m spanish and live in Santander.

regards mates

This has nothing to do with you being sour at Kimi losing his seat?

Overrated? No. Making too many mistakes? Yes.

We know from his two championship winning seasons what he is capable of. He has to start reproducing that form. He and his fans can't blame everything on Ron Dennis anymore.

[velgajski1]

Depends on who is rating - he is a top tier driver, but I would not call him 'most complete F1 driver' or something similar. I think he is the fastest up there with Hamilton, but both are slightly error prone and I do think that at least Hamilton is better out of current F1 pack.

Alonso consistency is a myth in my opinion. It was easy to be consistent in Renault 2005 & 2006. - that car was unbreakable, and we all know that teams lead by Flavio Briatore had very strong first driver policy, but already in 2007. we saw mixed races from him, and also in 2008. when his car wasn't as bad as his results in first half of season were. And now he begins 2010. again as driver with most mistakes. He is utterly fast - no doubt about that, and I think he will produce some good races until end of season.

Edited by velgajski1, 29 May 2010 - 14:17.

[h_nair47]

Over rated no....he is a good driver and when on it a great driver.

But greater than slice bread like some people think...NO.

[Classic Ferrari]

No, and I don't follow Spanish media, and we already have an Alonso thread for this.

[Mclaren4ever]

Yes and I´m glad McLaren got rid of him.
His performances got worse and worse since 2 years.
What has he achieved since his Macca days? 3 wins in the last 2,5 years, two of them were a fluke (gifted by Piquet and Vettel). Bravo Fernando!

Edited by Mclaren4ever, 29 May 2010 - 14:14.

[gaston_foix]

After this Turkey qualifying, several mistakes and the crash on saturday third free practice in last GP, I think Fernando Alonso is a lucky driver but overrated.

This is my opinion, and I´m spanish and live in Santander.

regards mates

Useless thread

[otoelpiloto]

kimiraikkonen? is that really you?

[Monad]

On the fact of being a good driver. No he is not overrated because he really is a good driver.

On the matter of being the best driver on the grid as many say. Yes he is. Because the best talent right now in terms of speed is Hamilton and being more complete package as they say about Alonso is complete bullshit when he obviously shows he can make mistakes as much as Hamilton or any other and his development abilities are also bullshit because all drivers development abilities are bullshit, from Schumi to Alonso to Hamilton they all say bullshits. All they can do is say how the car feels, oversteer, understeer and complain when it's bad. The mechanics and designers are the ones finding and fixing the damn thing.

[Kimiraikkonen]

This has nothing to do with you being sour at Kimi losing his seat?

Overrated? No. Making too many mistakes? Yes.

We know from his two championship winning seasons what he is capable of. He has to start reproducing that form. He and his fans can't blame everything on Ron Dennis anymore.

I live in Spain, here since Fernando won his titles all the people knows and says, if Fernando has an error, always is for the car, the team, never mistake of him.

In Spain we haven´t culture F1, we never worrying along the history for F1.

Since 1998 follow each season F1, rest people only follow Fernando.

regards Mate

[Mr j]

I'm a Kimi fan but I think that threads/polls like these are inapproriate. I understand that with all the unjustified critisism and bashing Kimi has gotten it's very tempting to give some back.

Regarding the poll my answer is no. Alonso is a fantastic driver.

[postajegenye]

These questions are not really answerable. Overrated by whom?

The Spanish press overrates him. His die-hard fanboys overrate him. (I'm his fan too, but I don't count myself in this category.)

His haters obviously underrate him, just as much as his fanboys overrate him, so...

As for the non-Spanish press, it depends. The British press has underrated him many times, though some journos aren't. In the media, he gets praise and gets bashing, depending on the authour of the article most of the time.

So I can't asnwer this question. He's overrated, underrated, and rated fairly at the same time, depending whose comments you are reading/listening to...

[Kimiraikkonen]

No, and I don't follow Spanish media, and we already have an Alonso thread for this.

I´m sorry, it´s my first poll.....

[Madras]

Alonso is not overrated, but people should remember Massa is usually great on anticlockwise tracks and has always been good at Turkey. The Ferrari isnt the fastest car.

[blackgerby]

No, he's not overrated. He's a very good driver. He certainly seems to having an off couple of weeks but that's not normal for him.
This tweet from @redbullf1spy make me laugh though. It seems that Fernando has a bit of a reputation

@redbullf1spy: As Fernando's out, we can expect F1's own little thundercloud to stomp across the paddock shortly and break some hinges.

[Kimiraikkonen]

Useless thread

Why....?

[Lights]

Why....?

Well it's kinda lame how this thread is started right after Alonso underperformed. People have that in mind with their vote, to then see him drive an excellent race tomorrow and they already changed their mind. Also, the poll options are kinda weak.

[Kimiraikkonen]

These questions are not really answerable. Overrated by whom?

The Spanish press overrates him. His die-hard fanboys overrate him. (I'm his fan too, but I don't count myself in this category.)

His haters obviously underrate him, just as much as his fanboys overrate him, so...

As for the non-Spanish press, it depends. The British press has underrated him many times, though some journos aren't. In the media, he gets praise and gets bashing, depending on the authour of the article most of the time.

So I can't asnwer this question. He's overrated, underrated, and rated fairly at the same time, depending whose comments you are reading/listening to...

Excuseme mate, Fernando here (in Spain) always was help by the press, you don´t doubt it
Regards

[armchair expert]

Jeebus!!! 2 WDCs and he is overrated?? Muck Fee where does that leave everyone else!!

He's had a couple of crappy qualifyings, but I'd say he's a shitload racier than Massa, and he will deliver for the Scuderia.
(in a similar way, Hamilton is racier than Button. If you know what I mean).

(Disclaimer: I am a Webber, Vettel and Red Bull fan).

[otoelpiloto]

begining with horner, closely followed by vettel, red bulls look more and more of a bunch of moron to me

@redbullf1spy: As Fernando's out, we can expect F1's own little thundercloud to stomp across the paddock shortly and break some hinges.

[phil1993]

Yeah, two titles, 21 wins. So overrated.

Seriously, he's not made many more mistakes than anyone else this year (except for Kubica). His outright pace has more than made up for it.

[K-One]

begining with horner, closely followed by vettel, red bulls look more and more of a bunch of moron to me

lol, it's a carneval

[tarmac]

Hope they like that 20 million they are paying to Kimi..

Ferrari is management is full of clowns and it is looking like their is engineering is more and more also

[Kimiraikkonen]

Jeebus!!! 2 WDCs and he is overrated?? Muck Fee where does that leave everyone else!!

He's had a couple of crappy qualifyings, but I'd say he's a shitload racier than Massa, and he will deliver for the Scuderia.
(in a similar way, Hamilton is racier than Button. If you know what I mean).

(Disclaimer: I am a Webber, Vettel and Red Bull fan).

Do you remember 2007 in McLaren......?

He was a vulgar driver.

Regards

[bourbon]

kimiraikkonen? is that really you?

That's an unfair assertion considering the praise Kimi heaped on Alonso (the OP's agenda notwithstanding). You seriously had to know Alonso would get the same type of ridicule in a Ferrari tho. The adoration of the red car knows no bounds. Making a mistake in it is blasphemy, but if it blows up on you, that's a normal part of racing. Yeah I hated Kimi out, but I'll defend alonso to the hilt - as unhappy with him as I am for many reasons - in this situation, because like Kimi said, he's a 2x wdc and an excellent driver. He's got more than the car can give, just like Kimi - deal with it.

Edited by bourbon, 29 May 2010 - 15:23.

[postajegenye]

Excuseme mate, Fernando here (in Spain) always was help by the press, you don´t doubt it
Regards

I know. You must have missed this sentence in my post: "The Spanish press overrates him. ";)

Edited by postajegenye, 29 May 2010 - 14:36.

[apoka]

Those kinds of threads seem to be a trademark of good drivers:

Is Michael Schumacher overrated?
Is Hamilton overrated?
Is Kimi Raikkonen overrated?
Button overrated?

If you are Brazilian, then people do not even bother to put a question mark:

Ayrton Senna is overrated !
Massa is overrated!

Hell, the whole thing is overrated:

Is Formula 1 overcovered/overrated?

[harrows]

Let me just say, had Kimi made this amount of mistakes he'd be crucified. No seems to care with Alonso. It's always 'oh, how uncharacteristic of him' - despite it being a habit this year! Brundle/Jordan especially...they still harp on about that illusive 'full package' every now and again.

Edited by harrows, 29 May 2010 - 14:43.

[skonks]

FA is not overrated, he's a very good driver
However his consitency is overrated, because it was all too easy in '05, '06 with managing 20+ points lead after 3 races.
Mistakes do creep in if you need to push 100% all the time.

[Desdirodeabike]

Let me just say, had Kimi made this amount of mistakes he'd be crucified. No seems to care with Alonso. It's always 'oh, how uncharacteristic of him' - despite it being a habit this year! Brundle/Jordan especially...they still harp on about that illusive 'full package' every now and again.

That is exactly spot on

begining with horner, closely followed by vettel, red bulls look more and more of a bunch of moron to me

What a surprise that you feel that way. By the way, you do know that the avatar you have chosen is quite offensive to a lot of Ferrari fans?

[artista]

Excuseme mate, Fernando here (in Spain) always was help by the press, you don´t doubt it
Regards

Ok, if it were Räikkönen the one making those mistakes we would be hearing the whole “Kimi has no motivation”, “Kimi is ove-rated”. But that doesn’t justify the Alonso is over-rated thread. It’s wrong if the “victim” is Räikkönen as it is wrong when it’s Alonso.

Right, the behaviour of Lobato, Carlos Miquel and Co. has always been disgusting regarding Räikkönen and Hamilton and… They have always thought that bashing and telling lies about Alonso’s rivals would make Alonso look better.

And yes, each time a driver has a bad sector time Lobato will automatically say “he must have made an error”, while each time Alonso has a bad sector time we have the usual “Alonso must have had a problem with the car”.

But that doesn’t make of Alonso an over-rated driver. He is a 2x WDC. It just makes of Lobato (and the rest of “journos”) a bunch of #@!<.

[Jackmancer]

No, not overrated, but perhaps a bit less sharper compared to 2004-2008

[Lights]

I think somewhere deep down, Fernando is disappointed by Ferrari. He's been stuck in a mid-class Renault for 2 years, unable to compete for victories in normal conditions. He made this deal with Ferrari a long time ago, knowing Renault would not get back upfront. Ironically, Renault can perhaps be called the surprise of this season, while Ferrari have not met their goals and apart from a gifted win in Bahrain, have not looked that strong.They're far behind Red Bull, and now they look like falling behind McLaren and even Mercedes. Alonso did not go to Ferrari to fight with Renaults, I'll tell you that. He wants to fight for victories, and it's a long time ago he really could. And he's a double World Champion.

[V8 Fireworks]

Massa is usually great on anticlockwise tracks

What!?


It is a fair thread. Alonso + Santander is supposed to be the driver + sponsor package to take Ferrari to the title. Yet there is the bad qually here, the jump start, the off in Australia at the first corner etc. A few mistakes.

Yes, the Ferrari could be better compared to the leading teams, but the pace at the front is quick. I don't think Barrichello thought the Williams would be more than 1 second off the pace either.

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 29 May 2010 - 14:58.

[V8 Fireworks]

Those kinds of threads seem to be a trademark of good drivers:

Is Michael Schumacher overrated?
Is Hamilton overrated?
Is Kimi Raikkonen overrated?
Button overrated?

If you are Brazilian, then people do not even bother to put a question mark:

Ayrton Senna is overrated !
Massa is overrated!

Hell, the whole thing is overrated:

Is Formula 1 overcovered/overrated?

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 29 May 2010 - 14:59.

[Katsumi]

The answer is no.

Drivers have their off-days.

Anyone remember Hamilton qualifying 11th in Melbourne?

Its not 1 day that he is 'off'

[eoin]

Using what as the baseline? It's hard to answer the question when everyone rates Alonso differently. The guy has made some really silly mistakes this season that have been very costly but that happens to every driver at some stage during their career. Personally I think he is having to try too hard as his car isn't good enough which is leading to mistakes that are adding up.

[postajegenye]

I think somewhere deep down, Fernando is disappointed by Ferrari. He's been stuck in a mid-class Renault for 2 years, unable to compete for victories in normal conditions. He made this deal with Ferrari a long time ago, knowing Renault would not get back upfront. Ironically, Renault can perhaps be called the surprise of this season, while Ferrari have not met their goals and apart from a gifted win in Bahrain, have not looked that strong.They're far behind Red Bull, and now they look like falling behind McLaren and even Mercedes. Alonso did not go to Ferrari to fight with Renaults, I'll tell you that. He wants to fight for victories, and it's a long time ago he really could. And he's a double World Champion.

Although it's not related to the question of the topic, I totally agree with you. I think Alonso hasn't been satisfied with his teams since he left Renault after his two titles.
McLaren? The disappoinment of his life, probably. Then back 'home' - two seasons without a top car, struggling a lot at the beginning of 2008, even if Renault became strong at the end of the year. Last year was very poor. After the disaster of 2007 (the results were not disaster, of course, but his comfort at the team...) and after two seasons where he didn't have the chance to fight for the WDC at all, I think the main thing to keep him positive was that he was sure he will be back on the top (at least fighting for the title) with Ferrari... 2008 and 2009 can be regarded as transition years between McLaren and Ferrari, I'm sure his mind had been on the Scuderia for a long time, and surely he didn't expect this... Success came to him very early, he was a two-time WDC as a 25-year-old but since then... it has been frustrating for him, I think. And this season must be really disappointing, not just the car's pace, but I think deep down he knows he should have done better, avoiding those mistakes...

So, this is the 4th season in a row which is not going as well as he had expected. After those early successes, I wouldn't be surprised if he finds it frustrating; in 2006, it seemed that the future belonged to him. And maybe this feeling, this disappointment has a mark on his performance? I don't know, I can't see his mind, but it's sure that we hardly saw any significant mistake from him in 2005-06, and now the mistakes come at almost every race.

I hope he can get over this period in his career and will have the opportunity to show his talent in a truly competitive car, and he has every chance to do so - he's still under 30, so hopefully there's a long way to go until his retirement.

[Hairpin]

After this Turkey qualifying, several mistakes and the crash on saturday third free practice in last GP, I think Fernando Alonso is a lucky driver but overrated.

This is my opinion, and I´m spanish and live in Santander.

regards mates

You have awaited the moment to create a thread like this for a long time, did you not?

All threads with "overrated" in the title should be immediately deleted.

[barteks]

After this Turkey qualifying, several mistakes and the crash on saturday third free practice in last GP, I think Fernando Alonso is a lucky driver but overrated.

This is my opinion, and I´m spanish and live in Santander.

regards mates

You forgot to add that your nick is Kimiraikkonen

[weston]

Turkey or not Turkey, he is an elit racer.

[Desdirodeabike]

So, this is the 4th season in a row which is not going as well as he had expected. After those early successes, I wouldn't be surprised if he finds it frustrating; in 2006, it seemed that the future belonged to him. And maybe this feeling, this disappointment has a mark on his performance? I don't know, I can't see his mind, but it's sure that we hardly saw any significant mistake from him in 2005-06, and now the mistakes come at almost every race.

Top notch post
Also - I love the quote in your signature ;)

[Mr j]

Those kinds of threads seem to be a trademark of good drivers:

Is Michael Schumacher overrated?
Is Hamilton overrated?
Is Kimi Raikkonen overrated?
Button overrated?

If you are Brazilian, then people do not even bother to put a question mark:

Ayrton Senna is overrated !
Massa is overrated!

Hell, the whole thing is overrated:

Is Formula 1 overcovered/overrated?

You gotta love the Brazilians, gave me a good laugh. Good post

Edited by Mr j, 29 May 2010 - 15:27.

[cardin]

I think a lot of him underperforming is down to the pressure of driving for Ferrari and having to deliver. You have to have real mental strength and he doesn't have it, he's driving like a scared little girl. He thrived at Renault because he was the uncontested. Flavio even fired Trulli when he showed to be a match for Alonso.

He cant handle the pressure even when Massa is really struggling. Imagine how much worse is going to get for Alonso when Massa gets around his problems.

[Szoelloe]

no, he is not overrated

[Alfisti]

All the top guys are over rated. You can see the foaming at moths on these forums with guys like Button and Webber leading the pack as soon as their arse is in a decent seat.

THere's bugger all between the top 6 to 10 blokes IMHO. If puished hard I'd probably plumb for Hamilton as my driver but even he is hardly a dominany qualifier when you look at his record.

[VicR]

I'm going to say yes because I'm so sick of reading and hearing about drivers who had a bad session/weekend being overrated. So for fairness, I'm saying YES.

[Lights]

Although it's not related to the question of the topic,

So, this is the 4th season in a row which is not going as well as he had expected. After those early successes, I wouldn't be surprised if he finds it frustrating; in 2006, it seemed that the future belonged to him. And maybe this feeling, this disappointment has a mark on his performance? I don't know, I can't see his mind, but it's sure that we hardly saw any significant mistake from him in 2005-06, and now the mistakes come at almost every race.

Yes, my previous post was related to this topic because of this. I was trying to think about why he would make these mistakes that he didn't use to make.

I don't think he doesn't feel at home, he's always been very positive about the team Ferrari since he's there, but performance wise, he expected more. It's logical that can frustrate him. Yes, he locked up and now he's 12th on the grid, but what was he realistically looking at? Massa only managed to qualify 8th, and that's on one of his best tracks. The Ferrari is lacking performance here, and that can never be a good thing as it's a track where a well balanced car is very important. Ferrari is not up there, and if anything, they're falling back. Compare Bahrain with Turkey, which team is the most disappointing right now? Red Bull is still on pole, McLaren moved forward, Mercedes moved forward and Renault moved forward. On the cost of Ferrari. That's why Alonso is frustrated, IMO. And that's why I believe he's making these errors. He wants more.