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#1 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 16:20


In a boating incident at 4 a.m! Lehto and a friend were on a boat doing over 70 kph in a place where the speed limit is 5 kph, pictures of the place are in the link I will give below.
The other guy was killed.

Lehto is seriously injured, but his life is not in danger.


http://www.mtv3.fi/u...45948#kommentit

Lets hope for a speedy recovery.




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#2 aditya-now

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 16:31

In a boating incident at 4 a.m! Lehto and a friend were on a boat doing over 70 kph in a place where the speed limit is 5 kph, pictures of the place are in the link I will give below.
The other guy was killed.

Lehto is seriously injured, but his life is not in danger.


http://www.mtv3.fi/u...45948#kommentit

Lets hope for a speedy recovery.


J.J. is seriously one unlucky guy!
Praying for his complete recovery.

#3 Lazarus II

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 16:32

For those not familiar with boating - 5kph is a "NO WAKE ZONE".

70kph in a 5kph zone at 4AM is DRIVING UNER THE INFLUENCE....guaranteed.

If you want to do that by yourself, knock yourself out; although you will possibly piss-off some residents that sleep on their boats.

Doing that with others in the boat with you or with others around where you can take their life or seriously injure them....:down:

I've got NO SYMPATHY for you JJ :down:

Edited by Lazarus II, 19 June 2010 - 16:32.


#4 FigJam

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 16:36

Just a horrible situation for all concerned. :down:

From what I could gather from the pics/info, seemed like a suicide mission doing that.

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 16:39

J.J. is seriously one unlucky guy!
Praying for his complete recovery.


is more like it. That was foolish behaviour and should he make a complete recovery I hope he is more sensible on the water. Boating safety is no joke.

#6 Lazarus II

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 16:45

Holy crap!
I just watched the video. Are you telling me they ran 70kph down that little levy?

What a dumb ass. Drugs are bad JJ :down:

#7 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 16:46

For those not familiar with boating - 5kph is a "NO WAKE ZONE".

70kph in a 5kph zone at 4AM is DRIVING UNER THE INFLUENCE....guaranteed.

If you want to do that by yourself, knock yourself out; although you will possibly piss-off some residents that sleep on their boats.

Doing that with others in the boat with you or with others around where you can take their life or seriously injure them....:down:

I've got NO SYMPATHY for you JJ :down:

It is not known Lehto drove it or the other guy, although I suspect it was Lehto.

It seems quite obvious that alcohol was involved too. What a shame.

#8 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 16:46

Holy crap!
I just watched the video. Are you telling me they ran 70kph down that little levy?

Police thinks so yes. Crazy.

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 18:17

I have far more sympathy with the family of the other guy, shame all the same. :(:down:

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 18:22

I have far more sympathy with the family of the other guy, shame all the same. :(:down:


Wow, after viewing the evidence I have to say, very very stupid. It will weigh on J.J.´s conscience the rest of his days.
RIP the other guy, condolences to the family of this chap.

#11 Sausage

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 18:23

Wow, Rip other guy, but that's just dumb.

#12 Nuvol

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 18:28

dont drink while driving finish moron.

#13 rko281

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 19:15

dont drink while driving finish moron.



I don't see the need for this specific word :down:

#14 Mandzipop

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 19:20

Question, if Lehto was driving, how much trouble is he going to be in.

RIP to the guy who didn't make it. :(

#15 MCH

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 19:22

I've got NO SYMPATHY for you JJ :down:


Oh so quick to judge....

Where are the police reports about alcohol abuse?


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Posted 19 June 2010 - 19:52

doing over 70 kph



That's a guess - please don't report it as a fact.



We don't know who was driving the boat and we don't know how fast they were going when they crashed. We know one person died and the other one, Jyrki Järvilehto, is being treated in a hospital and has been questioned by the police, but that's pretty much it, we don't really know more so let's wait and see. I'm sure the police will tell more when they have a good understanding of what actually happened.




#17 phil1993

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 20:00

Question, if Lehto was driving, how much trouble is he going to be in.


A lot. I read somewhere that he would be charged with manslaughter, which would come with jail time.

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 20:15

An Asshole. Simply as that.

#19 CSquared

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 20:38

That's a guess - please don't report it as a fact.

We don't know who was driving the boat and we don't know how fast they were going when they crashed. We know one person died and the other one, Jyrki Järvilehto, is being treated in a hospital and has been questioned by the police, but that's pretty much it, we don't really know more so let's wait and see. I'm sure the police will tell more when they have a good understanding of what actually happened.

It's a bit disappointing how many guesses, judgments, and conclusions are being thrown out in this thread that are not supported by facts.

Edited by CSquared, 19 June 2010 - 20:39.


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#20 Puhoon

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 20:53

An Asshole. Simply as that.


This (and some othe comments on this thread) reminds me of why I don't visit this forum that often. :rolleyes:

#21 Lazarus II

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 21:16

Oh so quick to judge....

Where are the police reports about alcohol abuse?

Did you have a look at the levy they were boating down? and the damage to the bridge? they weren't going 15kph with that damage. The limit was 5kph for a reason. Have a look before you make stupid comments.

I don't give 2 shits if he was a WDC or 20-time WDC, to go 70kph down that levy that was barely wide enough for a boat is just stupid and reckless. The guy should be charged with manslaughter.

#22 sir jackie walker

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 21:23

The guy should be charged with manslaughter.

Assuming he was at the helm, and not the other guy.

But it certainly wasn't water, that transparent liquid...

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 21:26

http://www.motorspor...;FS=ALMS-LEMANS - English article, with a lot more info than the Autosport one.

The Jomalvik canal, which was completed in 1951, is some 400 metres (0.25 miles) long, and only some two metres (6.5') wide in many parts, with a depth of one metre (3.25'). Because of the narrowness, the speed limit in the canal is set at a very low 5 km/h. However, based on the damage caused by the impact, the Finnish Coast Guard estimated that the speed of the boat may have exceeded 70 km/h. The police suspect that alcohol may have played a part in the accident.

Whoever drives a boat at that speed is an idiot. You'd have to say any passenger wouldn't exactly be a genius either.

Edited by Ashe, 19 June 2010 - 21:28.


#24 Gfhuus

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 21:35

The guy should be charged with manslaughter.


As said earlier, IF JJ was the one driving, then yes. He probably was though :(. Anyhoo, what we do know (based on the piece of news in MTV3 website) is that police is investigating it as aggravated manslaughter and serious endangerment of traffic safety.

#25 Levike

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 21:36

This (and some othe comments on this thread) reminds me of why I don't visit this forum that often. :rolleyes:


Feel free to ignore. :down:

#26 MCH

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 21:37

stupid and reckless.


and exciting, mind you

You're burning the guy despite an apparent lack of facts, beside those you mentioned. Maybe the boat pulled a Prius on them, who knows.



#27 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 21:42

Whoever drives a boat at that speed is an idiot.


Call me an idiot then.
My boat does twice that cruising and I regularly boat in much faster stuff.
I'll wait to see what the facts are.
get a grip...

Edited by whitewaterMkII, 19 June 2010 - 21:42.


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Posted 19 June 2010 - 21:50

Fortunately, in Finnland, there is presumption of innocence, something some posters here should learn.

If, Lehto was guiding that boat, if he was guiding too fast and if he was drunk he will have to face charges and may end up in prison. But there is something worse he would be facing if that were the case: the death of his friend in his conscience, for the rest of his own life.

But nothing has been proven yet and, therefore, Lehto is still innocent.

Anyway: condolences to the family of Lehto’s friend and wishes of a fast recovery for JJ.

Edited by artista, 19 June 2010 - 21:50.


#29 Vitesse2

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 22:25

Whoever drives a boat at that speed is an idiot. You'd have to say any passenger wouldn't exactly be a genius either.

No, whoever drives a boat at that speed in a location like that is an idiot.

70 kph in open water is fine. In a narrow canal - ludicrous.

Inappropriate speed kills.


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Posted 19 June 2010 - 23:17

No, whoever drives a boat at that speed in a location like that is an idiot.

70 kph in open water is fine. In a narrow canal - ludicrous.

Inappropriate speed kills.

i would say anyone who drives anything at an alleged 14 times the speed limit is at best an idiot no matter where or why.
Boats do have kill switches so a run away engine can be killed.
The fact JJ survived suggests he was seated and infront of the steering wheel.
But until more facts are released we dont know who was driving why they were travelling at such an excessive speed or if drink or worse were involved.
Having said that the fact it happened at 4AM does tend to add weight to the fact that common sense may well have been impaired.

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#32 Ashe

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 00:00

Call me an idiot then.
My boat does twice that cruising and I regularly boat in much faster stuff.
I'll wait to see what the facts are.
get a grip...

No, whoever drives a boat at that speed in a location like that is an idiot.


Yes, I did mean 'drives a boat at that speed in that location is an idiot' (though surely that was obvious given the information I quoted)

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 03:06

If the police believe alcohol was involved, then that's all I need to know (from personal experience), and I don't think this will turn out well for Lehto.


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Posted 20 June 2010 - 05:54

You can call me an asshole or whatever, but if people gets killed doing stupid shit, I don't feel sorry for them.

I'm just thankful no innocent bystanders got hurt of killed.

Anyway, hope he gets better and learned his lesson.

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 10:01

Police says alcohol maybe was involved. Not confirmed it was. They were last seen at local restaurant.
Place has 5 km/h speedlimit and roughly estimated speed of boats was 70 km/h but it's also said they cannot really confirm how fast it was going.
After accident, survived passenger - JJ Lehto - (they keep saying passenger since they are not sure who was driving) had difficult head injury and he was very confuced. He was able to talk little and he was worried about 3rd guy in boat who rescue personel searched for few hours without results. They suspect JJ was enough confuced he was wrong about third guy and there was only JJ and died man in that boat.

Helicopter took him at hospital and he went through surgery and is now in stabilized condition and police will interview him when he is fit enough.

If he was passenger and he had been drinking alcohol, there's nothing wrong about that since it's not illegal - for passenger.
But if he drove that boat, things will turn around.

Edited by The Kanisteri, 20 June 2010 - 10:04.


#36 Johnrambo

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 10:15

Place has 5 km/h speedlimit and roughly estimated speed of boats was 70 km/h but it's also said they cannot really confirm how fast it was going.


Well I think it's quite certain it was a lot more than 5km/h.

#37 Johnrambo

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 10:39

Pic of the wreck:

http://static.iltale..._1906JID_uu.jpg

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 12:33

Pic of the wreck:

http://static.iltale..._1906JID_uu.jpg


If I'm not wrong it looks like the boat had hit the bridge left side front, so the guy dead most likely have been located there. If the boat was driven from left or from right we could assume who was driving it, so out of this logic might come the first asumption of the police that JJ was passanger... just quessing here...

Altough very sad affair, and will be haunting the one left alive for the rest of his life... :cry:

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 13:21

If I'm not wrong it looks like the boat had hit the bridge left side front, so the guy dead most likely have been located there.

I'm surprised that everyone didn't die in that wreck from the pic of the boat.
*If* they were doing 30mph up that channel at 4 in the morning, they had to be stupid...aor drunk. Probably both.

Edited by whitewaterMkII, 20 June 2010 - 13:22.


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Posted 20 June 2010 - 14:18

I'm surprised that everyone didn't die in that wreck from the pic of the boat.
*If* they were doing 30mph up that channel at 4 in the morning, they had to be stupid...aor drunk. Probably both.

the police think it could be as fast as 70KPH or just under 45 MPH and looking at the picture ( i presume its what is left of the boat) i would not be surprised if it was going that fast.
Most boats TTBOMK all have the driving position in the centre or on the right therefore it would suggest that JJ was driving due to the other person dying.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:56

Maybe the boat pulled a Prius on them, who knows.


Even if that happened, assuming you know how to swim (shouldn't be on a boat if you don't...), wouldn't you just jump off the back of the boat into the nice soft water below?

Getting a little wet beats injury and death... Unless you're drunk...

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 05:44

My boat does twice that cruising and I regularly boat in much faster stuff.


your boat does 140km/h when cruising?? :eek:

Edited by lbennie, 21 June 2010 - 05:44.


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Posted 21 June 2010 - 05:48


That does it. JJ Lehto will never be president of the FIA now. (Did I hear Chappaquidick?) ;)

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 08:20

If the boat was driven from left or from right ...


They are driven from the right (with some very rare exeptions).

If he was passenger and he had been drinking alcohol, there's nothing wrong about that since it's not illegal - for passenger.


If JJ owns the boat he'd be charged of giving his boat to drunken person to drive it, (relinquishing a vehicle to an intoxicated person as the official wording goes).

A person who relinquishes a motor-driven vehicle, tram, train, vessel or aircraft as referred to in section 5, to the operation, steering or control of a person who is apparently in such a state that he or she is guilty of an offence mentioned in sections 3 through 7, shall be sentenced for relinquishing a vehicle to an intoxicated person to a fine or to imprisonment for at most one year.



Here's a airview on the canal (with a magnifying glass you may zoom in and out). Tight spot to drive anything more than 5 km/h.
http://kansalaisen.k...l...nna&lang=fi

Edited by TT6, 21 June 2010 - 08:48.


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Posted 21 June 2010 - 11:46

If JJ owns the boat he'd be charged of giving his boat to drunken person to drive it, (relinquishing a vehicle to an intoxicated person as the official wording goes).


Indeed, but it was not told by that time boat was owned by Jyrki.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:04

your boat does 140km/h when cruising?? :eek:


Probably has Jet assisted take off with afterburners! :D

All jokes aside,its sad all round. All we can say at the end of the day is WTF...

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 13:37

A breathalyser test taken after the accident has shown a reading of 1.7 permille for Järvilehto.

They will analyse a blood sample taken from Järvilehto to get a more accurate reading which would be used in court if this ends up there.

For operators of motor vehicles (road) the limit would be 0.5 permille but for operators of motor boats the limit is 1.0 permille. By the initial test he would have gone 0.7 permille over that limit if he was the operator of the boat. In fact I believe even if the operator of the boat was under the limit he or she could be charged for waterway traffic intoxication as there is wording in the law about causing danger to others.

We have still not been told whether Järvilehto was operating the boat or not. The blood sample from Järvilehto will be analysed as well as a blood sample from the person who died.

This is now about "Did he operate the boat or not?". The police are looking for eye-witnesses.

They are apparently letting Järvilehto get better at the hospital for some time before questioning him more - the word is that that could take at least a week. Apparently it will take a couple of weeks until the blood sample has been analysed and even longer concerning the dead person so we may have to wait for a few weeks until we hear from the police how they are going to proceed with this case.

We shall be careful not to judge anyone yet but wait for more information - you would want the same for yourself if you were involved in this kind of a case, I am sure of that...

At the moment I feel this is one more example of how fragile our lives are. I wish all concerned strength to get through this tragedy.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 14:06

your boat does 140km/h when cruising?? :eek:

Teague Twin Turbo, 460 cubic inches.
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Here's a pic of his engine shop with some supercharged enginesbeing built

Edited by whitewaterMkII, 21 June 2010 - 14:13.


#49 Menace

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 18:03

While no expert, it seems to me JJ was driving. Will be interesting if he says "i cant remember" when it comes time for questioning.

Such a stupid accident, but none of us are perfect. He will have this one on his conscious for the rest of his life.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 19:31

Nothing pisses me off more than drunk driving..

yes all of us have faults,but the thing that is unforgivable here are the lives at stake..Sure if you are stupid enough to drive 70 km/hr in that channel,then i dont really care where u end up but what i do care about are the people you are putting at danger.