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#101 BRG

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 14:00

Recent news - http://finlandsite.n...php?extend.8958 - in Dutch, but basically it says that police are sure that J J was driving the boat and have passed the case to the prosecutors to take forward. J J continues to have amnesia and cannot remember anything. Can anyone in Finland give any more detail?



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#102 Wingcommander

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 14:56

Not much. According to Iltalehti, the police are suspecting JJ of negligent homicide (don't if that's the correct term). But I don't think it's official yet, so we'll have to wait and see.

This is such a tragedy. I've always liked JJ, and to see someone make such a horrible and irreversible mistake makes me quite sad. And even if he can't remember anything (you have to remember that he was VERY drunk), he's gonna have to live with this for the rest of his life.

#103 Hairpin

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 15:16

Not much. According to Iltalehti, the police are suspecting JJ of negligent homicide (don't if that's the correct term). But I don't think it's official yet, so we'll have to wait and see.

This is such a tragedy. I've always liked JJ, and to see someone make such a horrible and irreversible mistake makes me quite sad. And even if he can't remember anything (you have to remember that he was VERY drunk), he's gonna have to live with this for the rest of his life.

It's a tragedy, yes, still I have a hard time feeling pity for him. He should not have done it.

#104 TT6

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 15:31

Ok, now the police has ended their investigations and concluded that JJ is suspected of:
- aggravated involuntary manslaughter
- aggravated endangerment of traffic
- drunkenness in waterborne traffic

The case was handed to public prosecutor today for consideration of charges.

http://www.hs.fi/kot...a/1135267239568

#105 Wingcommander

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:27

Ok, now the police has ended their investigations and concluded that JJ is suspected of:
- aggravated involuntary manslaughter
- aggravated endangerment of traffic
- drunkenness in waterborne traffic

The case was handed to public prosecutor today for consideration of charges.

http://www.hs.fi/kot...a/1135267239568


They've now decided to prosecute him.
http://www.hs.fi/kot...a/1135268823017

#106 OSX

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:40

They've now decided to prosecute him.
http://www.hs.fi/kot...a/1135268823017


So a loooooong probation and a hefty fine coming JJ's way then.


#107 kurski

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 12:55

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#108 Jimisgod

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 13:07

So a loooooong probation and a hefty fine coming JJ's way then.


What a punishment for drunk driving occasioning death :rolleyes: after the death of several people on a boat here piloted by a drunk the driver and operator were jailed for 12 and 18 months I think.

Edited by Jimisgod, 08 September 2011 - 13:08.


#109 HaydenFan

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 13:12

What a punishment for drunk driving occasioning death :rolleyes: after the death of several people on a boat here piloted by a drunk the driver and operator were jailed for 12 and 18 months I think.


I went to school with a guy who killed his girlfriend in a drunk driving accident in the U.S. and got 5 years. He served only 8 months though.

#110 Tsarwash

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 13:23

I didn't hear about this. It would have been dark at the time, yes ? Speeding in a boat is far stupider then speeding in a car as a boat doesn't have any effective brakes.
So speeding in a boat while drunk and when it's dark on a very narrow section of public canal. A severe lapse of judgement by one or both of them and somebody dies because of it. Throw the book at him if he was driving.

#111 2ms

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 14:18

It took almost four years to get the answer on McRae. It's only been like one on this so far.

#112 FW09

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 16:29

I didn't hear about this. It would have been dark at the time, yes ? Speeding in a boat is far stupider then speeding in a car as a boat doesn't have any effective brakes.
So speeding in a boat while drunk and when it's dark on a very narrow section of public canal. A severe lapse of judgement by one or both of them and somebody dies because of it. Throw the book at him if he was driving.



It's never dark in Finland in June. At 4 am when the accident happened, the Sun is already shining.


#113 The Kanisteri

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 13:26

Today 14 December 2011 JJ Lehto got 2 year and 4 month jail sentence due reckless driving (boat), manslaughter and driving(boat) under influence of alcohol.

#114 Concorde

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 13:35

Today 14 December 2011 JJ Lehto got 2 year and 4 month jail sentence due reckless driving (boat), manslaughter and driving(boat) under influence of alcohol.

WOW, any appeal possibility, is there a part of the sentence suspended and will he actually do time in jail or something like house-arrest?

#115 William Hunt

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 14:15

apparently it's 2 years and 4 months effectively!!! that's a very harsh punishment, on the other hand: he did cause the death of his friend.

#116 Mendel

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 14:41

It was posted 6 minutes ago on mtv3 news that Lehto will appeal to the next level of court (Hovioikeus in Finnish, don´t know the term in English)

edit: from my dictionary: Hovioikeus = the Court of Appeal

Edited by Mendel, 14 December 2011 - 14:41.


#117 swerved

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 14:50

apparently it's 2 years and 4 months effectively!!! that's a very harsh punishment, on the other hand: he did cause the death of his friend.



That doesn't seem harsh to me considering the manslaughter element, regardless of any appeal in 28 months JJ will probably still be alive, on a lighter note, its a good job he doesn't have to appeal to the FIA, he'd end up with a Ten stretch.


#118 nimbus111

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 14:58

wow 70 in a 5 huh. that sux. :(

#119 Mox

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 15:00

Conclusion: Don't drive a vehicle (ANY vehicle) under the influence of Alcohol.



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#120 Skinnyguy

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 15:26

Conclusion: Don't drive a vehicle (ANY vehicle) under the influence of Alcohol.


Yeah. But the kind of punishments handed are a joke. He killed someone. Until there are seriuos punishments for these stupid behaviours (with or without accident/injuries), they will keep happening.

#121 bub

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 15:36

R.I.P.

#122 glorius&victorius

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 15:44

Poor JJ... it seems that from the moment he stepped into that Benetton in 1994 his luck changed. Everything went downhill from then on.

Testing crash at Silverstone in 1994.... final diner with his good friend Roland Ratzenberger before he died next day.... hit in the back by Pedro Lamy at Imola... never came back properly.

Always a smiley guy to see around. Hope his appeal gets his sentence down.

of course a high profile conviction helps to send out a message against drunk boat driving... but the guy must be suffering a lot already from the death of his friend on the boat.

Edited by glorius&victorius, 14 December 2011 - 15:48.


#123 sergeym

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 15:47

Yeah. But the kind of punishments handed are a joke. He killed someone. Until there are seriuos punishments for these stupid behaviours (with or without accident/injuries), they will keep happening.

Stupidy follows no rules. He have not drove his boat drunk because possible punishment was not serious - he did that because he did not even considered such thing could happen.

Edited by sergeym, 14 December 2011 - 16:25.


#124 Skinnyguy

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 16:07

Stupidy follows no rules. He did not drove his boat drunk because possible punishment was not serious - he did that because he did not even considered such thing could happen.


Possibly. But if everyone knew that if something goes wrong you will have to pay severely, maybe that´d be enough to hold stupidity in some cases. I mean I´m sure that if there was direct prison for drunk-driving, there´d be less of it.

Anyway Letho´s worst punishment now is knowing he killed a friend.

#125 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 17:04

Is Finland a fairly forgiving culture? Will he be able to get a job after he gets out of prison?

Do you think they'll assign him some sort of alcohol education/AA meetings after he gets out?

Do they have probation in Finland?

What are jails in Finland like (I think I heard that in Scandinavia in general they are pretty nice, compared to the USA).

#126 Kerch

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 17:23

Is Finland a fairly forgiving culture? Will he be able to get a job after he gets out of prison?

Do you think they'll assign him some sort of alcohol education/AA meetings after he gets out?

Do they have probation in Finland?

What are jails in Finland like (I think I heard that in Scandinavia in general they are pretty nice, compared to the USA).


Not too sure about Finland, but if a Norwegian jail cell was on the property market in London you'd have to pay £250 a week to rent it :lol:

Edited by Kerch, 14 December 2011 - 17:24.


#127 FW09

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 18:09

Is Finland a fairly forgiving culture? Will he be able to get a job after he gets out of prison?

Do you think they'll assign him some sort of alcohol education/AA meetings after he gets out?

Do they have probation in Finland?

What are jails in Finland like (I think I heard that in Scandinavia in general they are pretty nice, compared to the USA).


As a first timer, he will only be in prison for half the sentence, maximum. Finnish prison system is more trying to bring people back to society than a punishment. So he will most probably be in an open prison where he can work and travel if needed.

Here's an American article about Finnish prisons: http://www.nytimes.c...?pagewanted=all

Edited by FW09, 14 December 2011 - 18:14.


#128 SonnyViceR

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 19:38

Poor JJ... it seems that from the moment he stepped into that Benetton in 1994 his luck changed. Everything went downhill from then on.


What are you on about, his greatest achievements came after that period... two overall Le Mans wins and ALMS title.

#129 senna da silva

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 19:46

Yeah. But the kind of punishments handed are a joke. He killed someone. Until there are seriuos punishments for these stupid behaviours (with or without accident/injuries), they will keep happening.


:up: He got off lightly.

#130 Johnrambo

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 20:10

Always a smiley guy to see around. Hope his appeal gets his sentence down.


The guy is an idiot who killed a person. He got off lightly. As a first time offender he only needs to sit half of his sentence.

#131 Mauseri

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 20:26

The guy is an idiot who killed a person.

Yes, but the victim is not less innocent. I don't think JJ forced him on board with a gun. They had done it together before.

It is hard to stop people from being idiots by locking them into jail. In general finland has strict rules and law enforcement, but the penalties are not from the toughest end.

#132 H2H

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 20:44

Yes, but the victim is not less innocent. I don't think JJ forced him on board with a gun. They had done it together before.

It is hard to stop people from being idiots by locking them into jail. In general finland has strict rules and law enforcement, but the penalties are not from the toughest end.


Letho was certainly stupid and reckless to drive that boat as fast and his fried who most likey drunk with him and enjoyed a fast boat died in that accident. Letho was severly injured.

Causing the death of a friend is a heavy burden to carry and I hope that Letho recovers mentally and physically from that accident and that he and other learn from it. The Finns have done a much better job then others at reducing crime and integrating persons back into society.



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Posted 14 December 2011 - 21:30

Yes, but the victim is not less innocent. I don't think JJ forced him on board with a gun. They had done it together before.


Exactly. Not defending JJ but the fact is that you can make a decision not to go on board if your friend is drunk. This was an act of both men´s drunken stupidity. It could have ended differently and we could follow the legal actions against different person right now. A very sad story which will affect on many lifes close to these guys...

#134 Juan Kerr

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 21:45

What's the big deal here ? How many times has everyone here done stupid things messing about with their mates that could end in death ?? I remember climbing on top of a mosque once balancing on the roof just to have a better position in a huge snowball fight! There's isn't anyone in the world probably who hasn't compromised their safety for a laugh especially after a few drinks.

#135 Skinnyguy

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 21:57

What's the big deal here ? How many times has everyone here done stupid things messing about with their mates that could end in death ?? I remember climbing on top of a mosque once balancing on the roof just to have a better position in a huge snowball fight! There's isn't anyone in the world probably who hasn't compromised their safety for a laugh especially after a few drinks.


Writing that was quite stupid.

You´re playing down a very serious thing. Speeding drunk is something that a very reduced group of peolple has done, and it deserves serious punishment, you can die if you want, but don´t do it in a way that put others in danger.

#136 Nobody

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 00:57

bloody idiot

#137 Aietes

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 04:45

A breathalyser test taken after the accident has shown a reading of 1.7 permille for Järvilehto.

They will analyse a blood sample taken from Järvilehto to get a more accurate reading which would be used in court if this ends up there.

For operators of motor vehicles (road) the limit would be 0.5 permille but for operators of motor boats the limit is 1.0 permille. By the initial test he would have gone 0.7 permille over that limit if he was the operator of the boat. In fact I believe even if the operator of the boat was under the limit he or she could be charged for waterway traffic intoxication as there is wording in the law about causing danger to others.

We have still not been told whether Järvilehto was operating the boat or not. The blood sample from Järvilehto will be analysed as well as a blood sample from the person who died.

This is now about "Did he operate the boat or not?". The police are looking for eye-witnesses.

They are apparently letting Järvilehto get better at the hospital for some time before questioning him more - the word is that that could take at least a week. Apparently it will take a couple of weeks until the blood sample has been analysed and even longer concerning the dead person so we may have to wait for a few weeks until we hear from the police how they are going to proceed with this case.

We shall be careful not to judge anyone yet but wait for more information - you would want the same for yourself if you were involved in this kind of a case, I am sure of that...

At the moment I feel this is one more example of how fragile our lives are. I wish all concerned strength to get through this tragedy.


Bravo! Very good post! :up:

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 07:45

Animation of the boat crash

#139 jamiegc

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 12:07

Animation of the boat crash


That shows just how mad the situation was.

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#140 nada12

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 13:12

Animation of the boat crash

That is indeed quite optimistic to try and cross under that narrow bridge with 80 kph, even if he had been sober.

As for the "he got off lightly"-posts. If we assume that JJ and his friend were both drunk and both enjoyed the speedy boat ride, which I think is the most probable way this went down based on what I read, then that's negligent homicide in a case where the victim was consenting to the action. In this case I think two years and four months sounds about right, as a part of the blame definitely lies on the victim itself. Compare that to a similar case about ten years ago involving two hockey players in the US, the difference being that they crashed in a car instead of a boat. In that case the driver was sentenced to three years on probation. Granted, his BAC wasn't quite as high as Lehto's but THAT is getting off lightly.

#141 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 18:21

As a first timer, he will only be in prison for half the sentence, maximum. Finnish prison system is more trying to bring people back to society than a punishment. So he will most probably be in an open prison where he can work and travel if needed.

Here's an American article about Finnish prisons: http://www.nytimes.c...?pagewanted=all

I am very supportive of the Finnish criminal justice system. Thanks.

#142 mursuka80

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 18:28

I am very supportive of the Finnish criminal justice system. Thanks.


Im not and i live there. Rapists get probation if they have a job and pedos have to molest more than one child to get hard time. My friends brother has killed four guys and his longest sentence was five years. Everytime he got out, then couple of months later he killed again rinse and repeat.

#143 EVL29

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 21:29

Compare that to a similar case about ten years ago involving two hockey players in the US, the difference being that they crashed in a car instead of a boat. In that case the driver was sentenced to three years on probation. Granted, his BAC wasn't quite as high as Lehto's but THAT is getting off lightly.



The Dany Heatly incident was the first thing I thought of when reading this thread. I think the sentence is about right. Fair, anyway.

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 21:34

Im not and i live there. Rapists get probation if they have a job and pedos have to molest more than one child to get hard time. My friends brother has killed four guys and his longest sentence was five years. Everytime he got out, then couple of months later he killed again rinse and repeat.

OK I stand corrected. The Finnish system certainly has its shortcomings.

#145 Johnrambo

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 21:56

Anyway Letho´s worst punishment now is knowing he killed a friend.


If he lied in the court then I think not.

#146 JacnGille

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 22:06

Compare that to a similar case about ten years ago involving two hockey players in the US, the difference being that they crashed in a car instead of a boat. In that case the driver was sentenced to three years on probation. Granted, his BAC wasn't quite as high as Lehto's but THAT is getting off lightly.

A little different as Dan Snyder's parents asked that Heatley not be prosecuted.

#147 Dolph

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 19:31

In other courtside F1 news, former Benetton driver JJ Lehto's attempt to appeal his prison sentence for manslaughter got off to a dismal start, the Swiss newspaper Blick reports.

Finn Lehto's lawyer reportedly appeared in court to file the appeal but was "immediately arrested himself, apparently because of money laundering".

http://www.motorspor...athetic-insult/

#148 bourbon

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 05:13

Wow, that is mad time bad luck for Lehto in as far as his legal representation goes. Hopefully someone else can be brought up to speed to rep him in his appeal. Even if he gets the maximum punishment, he and everyone else deserve the full protection of the law.

#149 kurski

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 23:58

JJ Lehto again brought to justice - the fate be decided?. Lehto's friend's life requiring boat accidents reviews the Court of Appeal in October. Main hearing is reserved for five days, the Turku Court of Appeal was told tuesday iltalehti.

#150 Topsu

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:08

Two lifes ruined. I wish JJ gets back on his feet. He has already been a commentator on a DTM race, and he also wrote a season preview of F1 for a magazine. Finland is a country of alcohol, there's no escaping that. Shit happens here, people die because of drinking. We shouldn't destroy people's lives too much.