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#151 Dmitriy_Guller

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 16:43

In other courtside F1 news, former Benetton driver JJ Lehto's attempt to appeal his prison sentence for manslaughter got off to a dismal start, the Swiss newspaper Blick reports.

Finn Lehto's lawyer reportedly appeared in court to file the appeal but was "immediately arrested himself, apparently because of money laundering".

http://www.motorspor...athetic-insult/

:lol: Classic Lehto luck.

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#152 DriveFastLiveSlow

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 17:25

Well, in Finland there are plenty of rumors. And neighbours, wittnessing JJ beating his wife.

#153 Disgrace

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 17:48

Two lifes ruined. I wish JJ gets back on his feet. He has already been a commentator on a DTM race, and he also wrote a season preview of F1 for a magazine. Finland is a country of alcohol, there's no escaping that. Shit happens here, people die because of drinking. We shouldn't destroy people's lives too much.


But then many countries are.

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#154 DrProzac

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 16:06

That doesn't seem harsh to me considering the manslaughter element, regardless of any appeal in 28 months JJ will probably still be alive, on a lighter note, its a good job he doesn't have to appeal to the FIA, he'd end up with a Ten stretch.

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@up: and green is all of the above mixed together? :p

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#155 kurski

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 15:03

JJ Lehto said the Court of Appeal that he does not take risks and drive the boat drunk. The prosecutor wondered why JJ Lehto reports his memory for images ranging from police questioning, the district court proceedings and the Court of Appeal handling.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 21:22

Well, in Finland there are plenty of rumors. And neighbours, wittnessing JJ beating his wife.

Well I certainly haven't heard anything like that.

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And by the looks of this picture I think it might be the other way around...

#157 g1n

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:02

Well I certainly haven't heard anything like that.

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And by the looks of this picture I think it might be the other way around...


never knew his wife is a tranny!? :rotfl: :o


#158 OSX

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:23

Well, in Finland there are plenty of rumors. And neighbours, wittnessing JJ beating his wife.

Even if your dubious sounding claim was true, and I'm certainly not saying it is, what does it have to do with the boat accident? Lots of people drive boats under the influence of alcohol. That doesn't mean they're all wife beaters and bad people. Your comment comes off as nothing more than smearing.

#159 ensign14

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:08

Well, in Finland there are plenty of rumors. And neighbours, wittnessing JJ beating his wife.

Why would he beat his wife? He could never beat his team-mates.

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#160 karlth

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:19

Why would he beat his wife? He could never beat his team-mates.


Ouch!

Its nice to see that their together and I hope they don't loose the courtcase. Noone could of expected that a driver like Lehto could end up like that, tough brake thats all. When your on top you dont expect to slide down.

Piece :up:

#161 BlackCat

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 13:26

I’m not reading Finnish news regularly but wasn’t there lately some (vague?) expertise saying the injuries to the dead guy were more like the typical injuries to the driver than to the passenger?

#162 Ze Bum

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 14:08

Ouch!

Its nice to see that their together and I hope they don't loose the courtcase. Noone could of expected that a driver like Lehto could end up like that, tough brake thats all. When your on top you dont expect to slide down.

Piece :up:


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#163 skywing

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 15:11

I’m not reading Finnish news regularly but wasn’t there lately some (vague?) expertise saying the injuries to the dead guy were more like the typical injuries to the driver than to the passenger?

Professor of forensic medicine sees that the boat was presumably driven by JJ's friend. Link: http://www.aamulehti...n uhriksi .html

#164 DriveFastLiveSlow

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 15:17

In Finland the legal question is that either he drove the boat drunk or let a drunk person to drive the boat. Both are very bad offences. His defence seems to be based on that a court can't decide wich was his crime.

Sad case and a sad person. His decision ultimately killed his friend.

#165 TT6

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:50

All charges dismissed. News item in Finnish here:
http://www.iltasanom...8520343490.html

#166 ensign14

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:54

Well, he's got away with it while his friend is dead. What a charmer.

#167 Wander

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:16

Well, the fact is that there is no solid evidence of who drove the boat. I'm sure everyone can make their own conclusions, though.

Edited by Wander, 30 November 2012 - 23:13.


#168 scandyman

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:48

I don't think "big" miscarriage of justice happened. After all if you want to go boat while being drunken...sh*t can happen.

#169 rubbersoul

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:53


Both were equally to blame, but the other paid a stiffer price.

#170 Ze Bum

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 18:25

Both were equally to blame, but the other paid a stiffer price.


Which one? I'm not really sure.


#171 rubbersoul

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 18:29

Which one? I'm not really sure.



JJ Lehto's friend who died

#172 Ze Bum

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 18:32

JJ Lehto's friend who died


I'm still not really sure. :well:


#173 Lennat

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 19:17

Both risked their lives, and both were stupid. I wouldn't blame JJ more than the other guy. I would blame MYSELF if I were injured in a drunk driving accident, even if I wasn't the driver.

#174 garoidb

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 19:23

Both were equally to blame, but the other paid a stiffer price.


By pure chance. It could just as easily have been the other way around.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 19:56

All charges dismissed. News item in Finnish here:
http://www.iltasanom...8520343490.html

Good. Quite right. Two guys do something stupid and risky together, it's not the survivor's fault. Nobody else involved...misadventure, not manslaughter.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 22:07

Good. Quite right. Two guys do something stupid and risky together, it's not the survivor's fault. Nobody else involved...misadventure, not manslaughter.

I quite agree
Nobody will have any benefit by sending Lehto to jail
2 guys on a stupid drunk boat ride and by sheer luck one of them survived

I hope if he did pilot that boat he'll take care of his friend's family if he can
Losing a mate in an accident like that is punishment enough imo

#177 OSX

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 16:44

Lehto Cleared of Boat Crash Charges
30 November 2012

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Former Grand Prix driver JJ Lehto has been cleared of all charges for his part in the boat accident that killed a friend in 2010.

Last year, Lehto had been sentenced to two years and four months in prison after a court found he was drunk and speeding on his boat before crashing into a bridge support pillar in Finland in July of 2010.

Lehto, 46, had appealed the sentence, claiming he was not steering the boat, but instead sitting in the back when the accident occurred.

The Finn, who raced in Formula 1 from 1989 and 1994, has now been cleared of all charges after the appeals court decided his friend had been driving the boat with Lehto a passenger.

http://uk.eurosport....-162200492.html


#178 ensign14

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 20:32

I'd be interested in how the appeals court could overturn findings of fact from the first court. And how it was not a joint enterprise of some sort.

#179 Bleu

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:35

By my understanding, in the District Court, they ruled that one of them is steering the boat and one of them is sitting next to him. As the crash happened, they ruled that steering wheel actually protected the one who stayed alive.

In the Court of Appeal, they ruled on possibility that one of them was actually sleeping behind and then protected. It was also ruled that the one who died had chest injury which could happen from hitting the steering wheel.

Let's see if this goes to Supreme Court.


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#180 Victor

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 13:02

[quote name='DriveFastLiveSlow' date='Oct 3 2012, 15:17' post='5951762']
In Finland the legal question is that either he drove the boat drunk or let a drunk person to drive the boat. Both are very bad offences.

Amazing justice criteria! This certainely means that in Finland you always have to carry a Breathalyzer and test everyone who drives you. It must be a living hell for taxi drivers!

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#181 BRG

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 20:32

Amazing justice criteria! This certainely means that in Finland you always have to carry a Breathalyzer and test everyone who drives you. It must be a living hell for taxi drivers!

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Doesn't it rather mean that you have to test anyone that you allow to drive your boat (car, plane etc)? Taxi drivers can relax, unless they let their fares drive.

#182 ensign14

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 20:55

Amazing justice criteria! This certainely means that in Finland you always have to carry a Breathalyzer and test everyone who drives you. It must be a living hell for taxi drivers!

:drunk:

No, you just make sure that, in the event of an accident, someone dies, and you say they were driving.


#183 Ze Bum

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 21:13

Amazing justice criteria! This certainely means that in Finland you always have to carry a Breathalyzer and test everyone who drives you. It must be a living hell for taxi drivers!

:drunk:


I think it's the same in every country. You will be convicted if you give your car or boat to someone that you know to be drunk.


#184 Les

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 13:54

Breaking News apparently: @OskariSaari 35s
JJ Lehto found not guilty for the boat accident. Desicion is final. RT @sipilamtv3 Jyrki Järvilehto syytön - KKO ei antanut valituslupaa.

#185 ensign14

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 14:00

The best justice money can buy.

#186 holiday

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 14:25

How fitting, just happened to read the news about Pistorius...

#187 Aateli

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 16:06

The best justice money can buy.


Supposedly you don't really know finnish law systems/enforcements in terms of the amount of corruption.

So finally we can end this case and let JJ live as normal as he can for the rest of his life. Possibly a comeback to a F1 commentary box even. Non-finnish writers here seem to not have the facts straight or something if they claim that JJ should be in any more trouble that he has already been to. After all it was two wasted guys doing silly things with a boat which ended horribly for the other one and no one knows the driver of the boat. So case closed.

Edited by Aateli, 31 May 2013 - 16:06.


#188 Skinnyguy

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 16:51

Until unintentional dumb-driving vehicle homicide gets similar treatment than weapon homicide, because after all it causes just as much damage and pain, people won´t take dumb-driving vehicles seriously. It´s sad to see how stupid we can be behind the wheel of whatever fast moving thing.

#189 David M. Kane

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 17:03

No matter where he runs, where he hides, deep down inside his soul, he will never be free again.

#190 garoidb

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 17:12

Until unintentional dumb-driving vehicle homicide gets similar treatment than weapon homicide, because after all it causes just as much damage and pain, people won´t take dumb-driving vehicles seriously. It´s sad to see how stupid we can be behind the wheel of whatever fast moving thing.


Yes, but that was not the issue here, was it? If they don't know for sure whether he was driving or not, then how can it be called homicide?

#191 Topsu

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 17:51

Both were drunk as hell, and there's not enough clear evidence to put either one behind the wheel. Whatchu gonna do?

#192 Wander

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 17:57

Both were drunk as hell, and there's not enough clear evidence to put either one behind the wheel. Whatchu gonna do?


Exactly. I would like to point out that Finland is not a corrupt country and our legal system rarely gives major sentences to ANYONE.

This is a case of there not being enough evidence to say that JJ was guilty of driving the boat, so he must be released. This is not comparable to any investigations or trials in South Africa.

#193 scandyman

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 19:50

The best justice money can buy.

You as a british person should be last to talk about our justice system taking account your own history and infact what is allowed to happen Your society even today:

Machete murderer who admits killing up to 400 people can't be booted out of UK
http://www.mirror.co...killing-1895673

Somebody, probably communist said once, "don't care mote in my eye if u have size 100 tree up in ur arse". :wave:



#194 ensign14

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 21:52

Both were drunk as hell, and there's not enough clear evidence to put either one behind the wheel. Whatchu gonna do?

You charge Lehto under the joint enterprise laws. But that wasn't really the point. The original trial found that the evidence pointed to Lehto being the driver. An appeal court is not meant to re-evaluate the evidence. That's what a trial is for. The appeal court is meant to look at the legal tests that were applied.

Exactly. I would like to point out that Finland is not a corrupt country and our legal system rarely gives major sentences to ANYONE.

That's oxymoronic.

You as a british person should be last to talk about our justice system taking account your own history and infact what is allowed to happen Your society even today:

Machete murderer who admits killing up to 400 people can't be booted out of UK
http://www.mirror.co...killing-1895673

That's nothing to do with the justice system. Thuo has never been found guilty of anything in any court. Unless you think we should put people away without trial.

If you want to know about our justice system, I can point to the hundreds of millions per year brought into the country because non-British litigants trust the courts in London more than courts anywhere else in the world.

At least until the current government started listening to accountants and is threatening to horlicks it all up. Why anyone would ever listen to an accountant for business advice is totally beyond me. If they were good at business they wouldn't be accountants.

#195 Cool Beans

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 22:57

That's oxymoronic.

I don't see how you arrived at that conclusion. Just a Northern European legal system based around rehabilitating offenders into society instead of creating career criminals.

On all the studies on least corrupt countries in the world that I've seen the Northern European countries are always at the very top of the list.
Here's one for example: Corruption by country

#196 rmpugh

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 23:23

At least until the current government started listening to accountants and is threatening to horlicks it all up. Why anyone would ever listen to an accountant for business advice is totally beyond me. If they were good at business they wouldn't be accountants.


What about Farhad Moshiri?

#197 SgtPepperoni

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:58

The British legal system is the worst I've personally experienced, and I talk from first hand ecperience. The police are corrupt (not all admitedly), but if it doesn't suit them or it is un-PC, you won't get a fair trial. I'd take my chances in Finland any day.

#198 ensign14

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 09:28

I don't see how you arrived at that conclusion. Just a Northern European legal system based around rehabilitating offenders into society instead of creating career criminals.

Serious crimes not having serious repercussions? Cui bono?

The British legal system is the worst I've personally experienced, and I talk from first hand ecperience. The police are corrupt (not all admitedly), but if it doesn't suit them or it is un-PC, you won't get a fair trial. I'd take my chances in Finland any day.

I've first hand experience of several legal systems. England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, the United States (New York, Texas and Florida).

There is no question at all that the English is so far ahead of the others that it's frightening just how much shit can be thrown on people that they will absorb. Indeed I would go so far as to say that only the English and Scottish systems are not racist.

Incidentally police corruption is nothing to do with the legal system.

#199 Wander

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 10:08

That's oxymoronic.


It's not.

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#200 GodHimself

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 10:13

Indeed I would go so far as to say that only the English and Scottish systems are not racist.


Now, it's getting silly. :drunk: