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#1 Nick Wa

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 07:08

Looks like the Tour de France may be going round all or part of the old circuit this afternoon. The map on the official site is not detailed enough to see the actual route but from 44km to 25km from the finish of the stage there is an anti-clockwise loop. Route Any one know any better?

Edited by Nick Wa, 05 July 2010 - 07:09.


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#2 MCS

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 08:35

I was trying to work this out yesterday and came across this: http://www.steephill...tour-de-france/

The official site is crap.



#3 Youichi

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 09:55

I don't think it does, the tour route approaches Stavelot from the south east, and exits the town centre to the west, whereas the old circuit came towards Stavelot from the north east and headed out northwards.

It looks like they will be a couple of miles away from the old circuit.

Resources:
Google earth file of todays Le Tour route.
Google earth file of circuits

#4 Nick Wa

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:26

Oh well we will still see some nice countryside on TV. I agree the official map is crap and thought steephill would just show the same. Looking at the loop the route takes it would have made an interesting circuit, some pretty fast sweepers on it.
The sadist in me had been imagining the peleton sweating up the climb from Eau Rouge past the old pits and straight on at La Source. Quite a steep drag to finish off a 100 odd miles in the saddle.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:40

The sadist in me had been imagining the peleton sweating up the climb from Eau Rouge past the old pits and straight on at La Source. Quite a steep drag to finish off a 100 odd miles in the saddle.

Don't worry, I think the two Third Category climbs (the Stockeu and Aisomont) near Stavelot will be tougher than anything on the Spa circuit.

Let's hope they don't all fall in a huge heap again like yesterday - that always makes me wince just to see it - bare flesh on tarmac (shudder)

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 20:46

Don't worry, I think the two Third Category climbs (the Stockeu and Aisomont) near Stavelot will be tougher than anything on the Spa circuit.

Let's hope they don't all fall in a huge heap again like yesterday - that always makes me wince just to see it - bare flesh on tarmac (shudder)

Sad to say ,the whole peleton seemed to hit the deck at least once today! and tomorrow they have to race around 130 miles including cobbled roads used in the Paris-Roubaix,still cant be as hard as kicking a football about for 90 minutes a week can it?

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 11:54

Sad to say ,the whole peleton seemed to hit the deck at least once today! and tomorrow they have to race around 130 miles including cobbled roads used in the Paris-Roubaix,still cant be as hard as kicking a football about for 90 minutes a week can it?


or throwing darts, an' drinkin' pints.... a real man's sport, not poncin' about in lycra

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:00

Sad to say ,the whole peleton seemed to hit the deck at least once today! and tomorrow they have to race around 130 miles including cobbled roads used in the Paris-Roubaix,still cant be as hard as kicking a football about for 90 minutes a week can it?

I thought that yesterday's reaction by the leading riders was a bit strange. It was hardly the organisers' fault that it rained a little and that the roads got slippery. What was the point of not contesting the finish? A real treat for the spectators to see no-one sprinting. And what will they do today if the cobbles get wet?

But a good result yesterday - Chavanel is an attacking rider who is often prepared to go for the long breakaway and it was good to see him get the stage and the yellow jersey as a reward for his courage!

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:05

or throwing darts, an' drinkin' pints.... a real man's sport, not poncin' about in lycra


What about that really tough sport, snooker,
They have to walk around that table so many times.
Poor dears must be exhausted.


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:12

When I noticed one of the stages was going to finish in Spa, the fan in me was of course wondering whether they would cycle over a part of the track or not. Would have been a nice sight, surely.

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:24

When I noticed one of the stages was going to finish in Spa, the fan in me was of course wondering whether they would cycle over a part of the track or not. Would have been a nice sight, surely.


I would say a missed opportunity, personally. But given the extraordinary carnage so far, maybe it was just as well.

Hopefully today we will actually see a decent finish, even though a large number of riders now appear to be sporting scars and bruises...


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:36

I thought that yesterday's reaction by the leading riders was a bit strange. It was hardly the organisers' fault that it rained a little and that the roads got slippery. What was the point of not contesting the finish? A real treat for the spectators to see no-one sprinting. And what will they do today if the cobbles get wet?

But a good result yesterday - Chavanel is an attacking rider who is often prepared to go for the long breakaway and it was good to see him get the stage and the yellow jersey as a reward for his courage!

There can't be any motor racing fans in the Peloton or among the race organisers. It hardly comes as a surprise that it rains at Spa, does it?

I would have been pretty cheesed off if I'd been in the crowd at the finish - you wait all day for the big finish and then nothing happens. A bit like Saturday qualifying for the Belgian GP in 1992 (if I've got the year right) - it bucketed with rain the whole hour and all the qualifying times were set on Friday.

Anyway, good on Chavenal - he earned the yellow jersey the hard way.

#13 BRG

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:50

When I noticed one of the stages was going to finish in Spa, the fan in me was of course wondering whether they would cycle over a part of the track or not. Would have been a nice sight, surely.

The Tour did have a stage finish on the Spa track a few years back (won by Raul Alcala from Mexico)

But if you think about it, a town or city centre finish is preferable to an out of town race track as it is more accessible for spectators (and of course the town pays the Tour organisers handsomely for the privilege). And given that, then there is no good reason to use a race track as part of the route when they can just use the regular road. Cyclists will always look a bit naff on a race track anyway - fast as the top boys may be, they will always look pedestrian compared to race cars.

#14 Nick Wa

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 17:20

Cyclists will always look a bit naff on a race track anyway

But we were talking about a proper race track not a modern circuit. Any way the loop they took had some fab. roads for use as special stages (perhaps they are or have been).

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 17:35

But we were talking about a proper race track not a modern circuit. Any way the loop they took had some fab. roads for use as special stages (perhaps they are or have been).


The old Nurburgring has been used a few times for the World Road race championship, last time in 1978 when Gerrie Knetemann from Francesco Moser

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 17:36

There can't be any motor racing fans in the Peloton or among the race organisers. It hardly comes as a surprise that it rains at Spa, does it?

I would have been pretty cheesed off if I'd been in the crowd at the finish - you wait all day for the big finish and then nothing happens. A bit like Saturday qualifying for the Belgian GP in 1992 (if I've got the year right) - it bucketed with rain the whole hour and all the qualifying times were set on Friday.

Hmmm. I was at Spa for the Grand Prix in June 1985. As we arrived on the Saturday night after practice we never saw an F1 car at all.

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 18:33

At least someone got to Spa in 85 - some of us only got to Zeebrugge that year - oh and I remember the practice in 1992 it was enough to drive one to drink.

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 19:34

I was trying to work this out yesterday and came across this: http://www.steephill...tour-de-france/

The official site is crap.


Clearly not a co-driver since the route defined on the official site, together with Google Maps and/or Earth show clearly the route arriving at Stavelot from the south west, via Trois Ponts, dipping down to the south, turning back north into Stavelot, then back to Trois Ponts, staying to the west of Francorchamps - through La Gleize and Borgoumont.


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 20:11

Hmmm. I was at Spa for the Grand Prix in June 1985. As we arrived on the Saturday night after practice we never saw an F1 car at all.

At least someone got to Spa in 85 - some of us only got to Zeebrugge that year ...

Geoff

We arrived on the Saturday morning, hung around all day hoping something might happen (highlight of the day - watching Sir JYS walk the track) then got carted off by Page & Moy for a nice day out in Bruges on the Sunday, so we missed the F3000 race.

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#20 icarus

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 21:35

What a fantastic stage today! Real hand to hand combat! and a great ride from British champion Geraint Thomas to take second place.Who is going to win though? my money is on Cadel Evans!

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 21:39

What a fantastic stage today! Real hand to hand combat! and a great ride from British champion Geraint Thomas to take second place.Who is going to win though? my money is on Cadel Evans!


I'd like to think you're right, but I suspect Contador is going to make it three...

#22 TonyK

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 01:05

The next stage finishes at Reims. And some of the later stages start and finish in Pau. Maybe we should rename the 2010 edition as Tour des Circuits.

BTW...Go Cadel! Nice work today on the cobbles. It's good to see that mountain bike experience comes to the fore when needed.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 04:27

Looks like Ryder Hesjedal is doing well. He's from Victoria and went to a school I taught at. :up:

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#24 Nick Wa

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 05:33

"Le Tour des Circuits"......A fine idea!
I expect most days we can find some thing of significance if not on the actual route then nearby. Like today there is (or was (opened early 70s)) a small circuit near the start in the Cambrai / Arras area. In past years the Pau finish has been on the circuit.

#25 MCS

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 07:04

"Le Tour des Circuits"......A fine idea!
I expect most days we can find some thing of significance if not on the actual route then nearby. Like today there is (or was (opened early 70s)) a small circuit near the start in the Cambrai / Arras area...


Croix-en-Ternois?

http://www.circuitde...com/index1.html

Some extraordinary images from the pavé in the press this morning! Off to Belgium today, but too late to catch the Tour's visit... :down:

Mark Cavendish to win today's stage...


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Posted 07 July 2010 - 08:21

I'd like to think you're right, but I suspect Contador is going to make it three...


Having never raced over the cobbles before, Contador rode extremely well, and, barring injury, looks like scoring his third Tour victory. Evans has been something of a revelation this year, showing a willingness to attack that was previously lacking. He is proving worthy of his Rainbow Jersey. Not much chance of a Tour win though, after his tough Giro d'Italia just a few weeks ago. Much the same applies to Ivan Basso unfortunately. :cool:

#27 Nick Wa

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 09:27

Croix-en-Ternois? Yes that's the one.
Went there once for a vintage meeting. Dan Marguiles won heat 1 in his Maser then when easily leading the final pulled the steering column out of the rack. We were highly amused & Dan wasn't! If you have ever studied Dan's driving style you would understand the joke. He treated the steering wheel as he if he was Lester Piggott riding a tight finish definitely not in the style of Farina. I think Simon Taylor went on to win. It was so cold we had to shake the snow off the Maser's tarp before practice!

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 09:34

In the hope tht this might turn into a cycling competition on race tracks thread didn't the 1992 Olympics road race use the Circuit of Catalunya as part of the course?

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 10:03

In the hope that this might turn into a cycling competition on race tracks thread didn't the 1992 Olympics road race use the Circuit of Catalunya as part of the course?

Lets keep this thread strictly to the Le Tour de France or "Le Tour des Circuits 2010".
There is already an excellent thread on "Bicycle racing on grand prix tracks".

After 5 edits I've got the link right!

Edited by Nick Wa, 07 July 2010 - 10:13.


#30 Kpy

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 10:23

Lets keep this thread strictly to the Le Tour de France or "Le Tour des Circuits 2010".


What is "Le Tour des Circuits 2010"?

Edited by Kpy, 07 July 2010 - 10:25.


#31 Nick Wa

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 10:27

The next stage finishes at Reims. And some of the later stages start and finish in Pau. Maybe we should rename the 2010 edition as Tour des Circuits.

BTW...Go Cadel! Nice work today on the cobbles. It's good to see that mountain bike experience comes to the fore when needed.


Quite a few circuits, hill climbs and rally stages on or near this year's Tour de France hence TonyK's play on words.

Edited by Nick Wa, 07 July 2010 - 10:32.


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Posted 07 July 2010 - 11:12

Zolder has been used for the Cycling World Championship in early 2000s? - I believe Chippolini won.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 19:58

The "Alps" days don't seem to have quite the usual number of old time rally Cols this year. Stage 9 uses the Madelaine and the Colombiere but can't recognise too many others in a brief look at route.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 20:36

It is a Pyrenees year as it is the 100th anniversary of the first visit there, so the Alps are lower key.

#35 tinkerwinker

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 15:27

The "Manx missile" comes up with the goods..

#36 speedman13

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 16:07

The "Manx missile" comes up with the goods..


Great lead out by Renshaw.

#37 tinkerwinker

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 17:07

Great lead out by Renshaw.


Nothing but the very best for our "Brave Boys"

And with a little tickle down to third man, TW scampers for a quick single to bring up his hundred. Enthusiastically waves his bat to the large crowd....

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 22:23

Zolder has been used for the Cycling World Championship in early 2000s? - I believe Chippolini won.

And in 1969 when I was there..can read the whole sad story here

http://en.wikipedia..../Harm_Ottenbros


#39 tinkerwinker

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 15:59

Manx Missile 2 for 2, another great lead out from Renshaw.

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#40 icarus

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 20:47

Zolder has been used for the Cycling World Championship in early 2000s? - I believe Chippolini won.

Goodwood was also used for the World Road Championships,i think in 1982,i was working in AbuDhabi at the time trying to get the results on a Telex machine{remember those?} IIRC Mallory Park also hosted the finish of the championships in the 70,s can anyone confirm this? Anyway,great 2 wins from Cav.World Champion this year?

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 21:27

Manx Missile 2 for 2, another great lead out from Renshaw.


2 for 6?

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 22:15

Goodwood was also used for the World Road Championships,i think in 1982,i was working in AbuDhabi at the time trying to get the results on a Telex machine{remember those?} IIRC Mallory Park also hosted the finish of the championships in the 70,s can anyone confirm this? Anyway,great 2 wins from Cav.World Champion this year?

Yes it was Mallory was part of the route and that champs is another sad story

http://en.wikipedia....-Pierre_Monseré

#43 BRG

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 15:52

Bravo Chavanel!!!! Stage win and back in yellow!

#44 Nick Wa

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 18:36

Yes a nice result today. At least the probable result keeps you in suspense for longer than Bernie's circus does, unless the Tasmanian has another rush of blood to the head (or do I mean right foot).

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 19:01

Yes a nice result today. At least the probable result keeps you in suspense for longer than Bernie's circus does, unless the Tasmanian has another rush of blood to the head (or do I mean right foot).

Very true,I still think Cadel Evans could take a suprise win though,we might have a better idea after the next couple of stages.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 15:32

Viewers with a sharp eye may have noticed the finale of today's stage in the Tour de France included a section of the street circuit in Pau.

#47 Nick Wa

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 18:52

A Pavé stage featured in the first week of Le Tour, now when and where was there last a pavé section on a motor racing circuit?
Nouveau Mondeat Rouen? Thillois was bitumised expect for a gutter strip earlier.
Another circuit which had a bit of pavé features in Friday's finish.
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#48 Michael Ferner

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 19:06

Indianapolis Motor Speedway, May 30 2010? ;)

#49 Nick Wa

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 19:17

Indianapolis Motor Speedway, May 30 2010?;)

I knew that would happen! A single row of bricks is disqualified!

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 19:42

Marocco 1958? Before my time, but seem to remember reading about it. Or was it tram rails.?