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#1 BrokenBaculum

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 16:46

During a recent promotional event in Moscow, city representatives are apparently to have said that talks with Bernie are "gathering pace".

http://en.espnf1.com...tory/23589.html

One source is quoted as saying "Hermann Tilke is to design a super-fast street circuit - it'll be like Monaco." :confused:

For the time being I think it's just false news brought on by the promotional event, but I can imagine a Moscow GP happening in the future, espcially if a deal Sochi doesn't come to fruition.

Edited by BrokenBaculum, 19 July 2010 - 16:47.


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#2 Sakae

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 16:51

Is this BE's negotiating tactics where to stage the race and get most of of his suckers? He has to drop some current circuits, or expand the season. I will need to keep tab on "he said/she said, we are here and we are there"... Gee wizz; Athens, Moscow, Texas, NJ, SA, Argentina, what else did I forget?

#3 aditya-now

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 16:55

Is this BE's negotiating tactics where to stage the race and get most of of his suckers? He has to drop some current circuits, or expand the season. I will need to keep tab on "he said/she said, we are here and we are there"... Gee wizz; Athens, Moscow, Texas, NJ, SA, Argentina, what else did I forget?


Bernie´s currently also putting Monaco under pressure, dropping hints that he might drop the race....

So I think it´s just another round of adjusting prices. The (proposed) inflation of F1 circuits is going to be costly for the circuit owners.


#4 Baddoer

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 17:18

Here proposed track layout
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Length is 4420 meters, longest straight is about 1200 meters and two very big bridges over Moscow river


#5 Rob

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 17:30

Bernie´s currently also putting Monaco under pressure, dropping hints that he might drop the race....

So I think it´s just another round of adjusting prices. The (proposed) inflation of F1 circuits is going to be costly for the circuit owners.


The FIA have a clause whereby they can protect the historic races. Hopefully Jean Todt would utilise this if Monaco was ever threatened.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 17:36

Here proposed track layout
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Length is 4420 meters, longest straight is about 1200 meters and two very big bridges over Moscow river

I presume that track isn't in a figure of eight, as interesting as that would be.

And Monaco isn't going anywhere, that's just the same Bernie talk as the circuit shortcuts.

#7 Baddoer

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 17:41

I presume that track isn't in a figure of eight, as interesting as that would be.

It is. They'll run under the bridge on that long straight reaching 320 km/h, so it's a bit Suzuka.

Edited by Baddoer, 19 July 2010 - 17:59.


#8 Fastcake

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 18:13

It is. They'll run under the bridge on that long straight reaching 320 km/h, so it's a bit Suzuka.

Ah right I see. It looks better than Valencia at least.

#9 Louis Mr. F1

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 18:41

as expected, none of the corners look challenging ..... :well:

#10 hotstickyslick

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 18:52

as expected, none of the corners look challenging ..... :well:

As if only high-speed corners are challenging.

#11 mkay

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 19:34

Looks a bit short though...

We'll probably have sub-1:15 laps and even reach the low 1:00s.



#12 rabbitleader

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 20:26

Not another street circuit.....like we need another one!

#13 JPW

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 20:39

Why not, there's big money available in Russia and why go to Barcelona for the umpteenth time if there's an exciting weekend in Moscow beckoning.
I wouldn't mind it replacing Barcelona, Valencia or Turkey.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 21:16

That layout actually looks awesome. A bit short indeed, but perfect for overtaking. It's like an 8-figure russian Norisring.

#15 rabbitleader

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 21:31

Why not, there's big money available in Russia and why go to Barcelona for the umpteenth time if there's an exciting weekend in Moscow beckoning.
I wouldn't mind it replacing Barcelona, Valencia or Turkey.


Street circuits tend to be far more difficult for overtaking eg Monaco, Valencia, Singapore.

That said I'd like to see Hungargorgargorgarboring disappear!

#16 Les

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 21:49

That layout actually looks awesome. A bit short indeed, but perfect for overtaking. It's like an 8-figure russian Norisring.


Yeah I like it, but I'm not sure how genuine it is. Its refreshing to see an uncluttered track-layout as opposed to Tilkes usual corner after corner efforts. We see so many of these proposed track lay-outs though. Off-topic but I wonder if we'll ever hear anything about the Rome street circuit again?

#17 domhnall

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 21:52

Off-topic but I wonder if we'll ever hear anything about the Rome street circuit again?


Ha, that's a good question. Had completely forgotten about it myself.

#18 BrokenBaculum

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 21:57

Yeah I like it, but I'm not sure how genuine it is. Its refreshing to see an uncluttered track-layout as opposed to Tilkes usual corner after corner efforts. We see so many of these proposed track lay-outs though. Off-topic but I wonder if we'll ever hear anything about the Rome street circuit again?


I believe that they're still cracking on with that - Bernie said it'll be about 2013 before it happens though, due to lack of space on the calendar. I'd don't see why it can't alternate with Valencia as the Euro GP.

#19 nordschleife

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 22:01

Athens, Moscow, Texas, NJ, SA, Argentina, what else did I forget?


The Grand Prix of the Balearic Islands in Majorca, for starters.


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#20 BRG

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 22:07

How long have we been hearing about a GP in Russia? Believe it when it happens!

#21 ashnathan

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 22:09

Please make it a super fast street circuit! Something like Toronto that indy races on at the weekend would be better just...longer. Whatever it is just no swirly bits.

#22 pingu666

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 22:15

i like that layout alot, and moscow has some really nice wide streets in places, more like motorways...

#23 Louis Mr. F1

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 22:19

As if only high-speed corners are challenging.


who said that?

#24 ashnathan

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 22:22

Here proposed track layout
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Length is 4420 meters, longest straight is about 1200 meters and two very big bridges over Moscow river


Great looking track i hope it gets the green light.

#25 pingu666

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 22:44

just looked on google earth

55°44'59.17"N 37°37'27.73"E

awsomeness....

#26 hotstickyslick

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 23:01

who said that?

Usually if the apex speed of a corner is less than 100mph then it's not considered challenging by anyone 'round here. Usually anyway. :)

#27 Hezz

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 23:27

Here proposed track layout
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Length is 4420 meters, longest straight is about 1200 meters and two very big bridges over Moscow river


This is too good to be truth.
Looks awesome :up:

Sack Monaco? That's ridiculous








#28 pingu666

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 23:29

itll be tricky, as the roads will probably be really bumpy for a f1 car, plus you get the tramline effect from the normal traffic, and the f1 cars will need to go across that... the location is really good too...

#29 loki

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 00:42

Is this BE's negotiating tactics where to stage the race and get most of of his suckers? He has to drop some current circuits, or expand the season. I will need to keep tab on "he said/she said, we are here and we are there"... Gee wizz; Athens, Moscow, Texas, NJ, SA, Argentina, what else did I forget?


Of those only San Antonio has been contracted.


#30 PayasYouRace

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:15

Here proposed track layout
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Length is 4420 meters, longest straight is about 1200 meters and two very big bridges over Moscow river


Which direction does it go?

#31 F575 GTC

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:43

Which direction does it go?


Judging by how the pitlane is on the bottom bit, i'd say the first corner is the right hander leading up to the tight hairpin on the left of the photo.

#32 Galka

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:09

The track has two bridges, this is one of them.
http://www.russian-g...03256964Big.JPG
Looks nice.

One thing that can (and probably will) destroy the project is the corruption of contractors and authorities.
Any big construction project that started in Moscow resulted in corruption and embezzlement.

Edited by Galka, 20 July 2010 - 11:12.


#33 D.M.N.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:29

I'm not sure if anyone's noticed, but having zoomed in on Google Maps, the front straight is currently a car park: http://maps.google.c...e...mp;t=h&z=17

#34 Les

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:44

I'm not sure if anyone's noticed, but having zoomed in on Google Maps, the front straight is currently a car park: http://maps.google.c...e...mp;t=h&z=17


Yeah I wouldn't say its a problem though as it leads straight onto the main road and is as wide if not wider than it. I measured the course in Google Earth and it is about 2.7miles long so with such a simple layout it will be a really short lap-time maybe just over a minute but it is a difference from the trend of more corners and longer lap-times on many modern tracks and it should have good overtaking points.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 13:35

The layout picture are slightly inaccurate. Start-finish and box complex will the at main straight end (you can see large deconstruction trench from ex-"Russia" hotel, a place where pit complex and main grandstand will be possibly constructed). Whole project will cost from 70 to 100 million dollars. Information from Moscow government representative interview.

Edited by Baddoer, 20 July 2010 - 13:38.


#36 rm111

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 19:15

Not another street circuit.....like we need another one!

What we need is more park circuit ala canada,melbourne.



#37 Johnrambo

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 20:02

Probably another track that looks good on map but in reality is BS.

#38 lustigson

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 11:23

Should the track be too short, I reckon it could quite easily be made longer up to about 5.7 km:

http://www.gmap-pedo....com/?r=3897361

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 13:47

Scenery looks very picturesque, but to build the pits you'd have to take down some buildings... and i don't think they'll do that just for a race. Then again, with the super wide roads they'll easily fit a lot of grandstands. Well thats if you look at every road apart from the pit straight, which is much too narrow and I'd doubt that they'd want to build over that park...

right AT the kremlin too. Then again monaco has the same dilemmas-its pretty insane how they do it...

Certainly will be an interesting track with a very unique atmosphere.

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#40 Baddoer

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 15:55

Scenery looks very picturesque, but to build the pits you'd have to take down some buildings... and i don't think they'll do that just for a race. Then again, with the super wide roads they'll easily fit a lot of grandstands. Well thats if you look at every road apart from the pit straight, which is much too narrow and I'd doubt that they'd want to build over that park...

As i written before, pits will be in place where "Russia" hotel was some time ago. They also hope to host race in 2013, possibly in 2012

Edited by Baddoer, 21 July 2010 - 16:01.


#41 phil1993

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 16:09

So what if the track is only in the low 1:00's. Would rather 80 laps of that than 49 of a Bahrain lap that takes 2:00